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Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: Lackey on 2006 November 11, 16:45:48

It appears that Rose has decided that anyone that donates to her is open for her own kind of justice. She has been sharing everyone's paypal info privately with others. I would suggest that anybody that has donated to Rose file a complaint with paypal. This is how you do it.

Go to your account and find the donation to Rose and open a dispute.

Explain to paypal that she is sharing your paypal infor with others and this a complete breach of trust especially with all the idenity theft out there today.

After you open the dispute, go to the main page and back to the dispute and upgrade your dispute to a claim.

This takes it straight to paypal and will bypass Rose.

Of course she will receive a copy of everything but it is ultimately up to paypal what happens.

Title: Roses's guestbook
Post by: Lackey on 2006 November 11, 17:01:38

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Date: Friday 10th of November 2006, 11:55 pm, PST
Name: 4oh4
Number: 2,278

"No, it's not illegal to share your files because you have no legal claim to them. They're property of EA Games, which encourages the sharing of game content. And I have read Pay Pal's privacy policy, which only confirms that what you have done violates it."

Reply written by rose at Saturday 11th of November 2006, 12:11 am, PST

Do you think the 3D MAX company(or photoshop) can say that all the .MAX files(or the .jpg files) are belong to them? If yes,my creations are included the 3D model I made using 3D MAX and the texture I drawing with photoshop,now what the company can say with the others? I can tell you that even the Maxis also haven't said the custom creations is property of EA Games,you can see here :
http://thesims2.ea.com/community/chat_09_13_... .
And if you do read the policy,please tell me which the clause I have violated.

Date: Friday 10th of November 2006, 11:39 pm, PST
Name: :/
Number: 2,277

To "ha": Sharing files is not illegal. Sharing other's private information, however, is.

Last edited by rose at Friday 10th of November 2006, 11:41 pm, PST

Reply written by rose at Friday 10th of November 2006, 11:48 pm, PST

Sharing files without the creators' permission is illegal,even for free.and please take a look at the paypal's privacy policy,you will change your mind!
And,do you think everyone have to(or should) protect the thief's information so that no one else can't know who is thief? I think only the thief will hope this!

Date: Friday 10th of November 2006, 11:15 pm, PST
Name: important
Number: 2,276

the following is from paypal's privacy policy:
By entering into our User Agreement, you agree that, with respect to other users' personally identifiable information that you obtain through the site or through an PayPal-related communication or PayPal-facilitated transaction, you will only use this information for: (a) PayPal-related communications that are not unsolicited commercial messages,

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Date: Friday 10th of November 2006, 10:19 pm, PST
Name: Someone
Number: 2,274

I have seen the list! It was taken right from your secret forum that is not as secret as you think it is. It list everyone that has donated for your last 4 hairs that you ASSUMED was sharing. You took the list and you have shared the paypal info with other sites. Thomas has deleted several accounts from TSR because YOU shared that paypal info with him and told him that they were sharing his files. Shall I list all the sites here that involved in your little illegal paypal info sharing thread or would you like to be the bigger person and admitt what you did in the hopes of gaining a little bit of that respect back.

Reply written by rose at Friday 10th of November 2006, 10:31 pm, PST

No,in fact I haven't shared your email address or any other things about you, please investigate it at first. The fact is one of other site's webmaster found your name in the sharing site's member list,but there is no one shared any information of you and no one said you uploaded anything. Why you think we had done that with you? Or who tell you about this? Or you just belived the Rumor?
The important is: if there is any proof show you that I did the thing the rumor said? why you believe the rumor in case you haven't any proof?

Date: Friday 10th of November 2006, 10:14 pm, PST
Name: BlueSoup
Email:
Number: 2,273

You are so full of it, Rose. I know for A FACT you've shared my personal address with others.
I have filed a complaint with Paypal because I donated one time in September for a hair I really liked. And I have never uploaded it - do you really think I am the only one sharing your crap? Get real.

And I know you outed someone else I've never heard of with the exact same thing.

So who's the liar here? I'm not the one benefitting from lying, you are. Grow the hell up and I hope your Paypal account for illegal...yes illegal!...activity.

Date: Friday 10th of November 2006, 8:50 pm, PST
Name: Do Not believe the Hype
Number: 2,272

To anyone reading the below message- that rumor is just a RUMOR.
Never has rose shared paypal information. Theft has been occuring and one IP address and ONE email (NOT PAYPAL INFORMATION or ANY personal information) was shared to prevent this theif from stealing further. That one person was prohibited from recieving donation files ever again from several site owners.
Please do not believe the lies fueld by those who are trying to cover their own asses for being theives.
And thank you for all of the support.

Reply written by rose at Friday 10th of November 2006, 9:27 pm, PST

Thanks ! You explained more easily and clearly to understand than I!

Date: Friday 10th of November 2006, 8:13 pm, PST
Name: uh...wth??
Location: whereever i am i too far away to bash you on the head
Number: 2,271

you know, you make goreous hairs, i love nearly all of them. ive never donated just because i cant afford it.
but what the hell is this?? have you any idea what the hell your even doing????? these people that donate to you are thankng you for your wonderful work and helping to support your site(supposably). and to thank them you give out theyre paypal info?!?!?!

excuse me but...no. you lost all respect from me. this is the lowest of lows, i think even illegal. seriously what the hell are you on?? with all the trouble nowadays people have with identity theft and stuff what makes you think its ok to do this??
oh...yes...the redristributation*rolls eyes*
theres no reason to do this. yeah thats right, i cant think of one good reason at all for this insanity. its a god damn game rose, a stupid game that, by the way, will die out in a few years. and about your site "loosing money" because of people getting your stuff for free?
ahahaa..no. first of all: most of these people wouldnt be able to pay for your donations anyway, therefore your arent even loosing all that much money. and for the tiny bit you are loosing? well its not like you need it anyway to support your site.....i know it doesnt cost THAT much to run this thing. your just greedy....just..plain..greedy

Date: Friday 10th of November 2006, 6:32 pm, PST
Name: L0VeLy_DoLLs
Email:
Location: somewhere on the earth..
Number: 2,270

Dear talanted Rose..
There is no doubt that you were born with a huge talent..
You can create all the wonderful hair mesh all by yourself.. But i'm sorry Rose 'cause for me your to greedy.. You see, when it comes to a gorgeous hair you put it in the donation side. It's unfair for me since all the free hair is less beautiful..
I think you should be like peggy sims2.. PLEASE RESPECT US THE GAMERS, BE KIND AND FAIR T OTHERS.>!!

Date: Friday 10th of November 2006, 5:55 pm, PST
Name: Anonymous
Number: 2,269

This is infuriating, I can't believe you would do this. People have always looked up to you, no matter how hard it is to run a paysite, and keepign track of your hairs and all of that, it's RIDICULOUS, i'm ashamed that you would do this, it's just sad, i'm just so disappointed, PayPal has already recieved many reports, but because you're mad about whats happening with altering of your meshes, does not give you the right to distribute others' PayPal information! I just can't believe it, I'm never donating to this site ever again I hope others will recognize the awful thing that you've done.
-Anonymous

Reply written by rose at Friday 10th of November 2006, 9:20 pm, PST

I do not distribute others' paypal informations,just a canard,I don't know who told you that paypal has already received many reports,but it's a canard too,how can a people know my paypal account received what reports?

Date: Friday 10th of November 2006, 4:55 pm, PST
Name: DreDo
Email:
Number: 2,268

Rose, I am a huge supporter of your site. I have always respected your policies.
Giving out everyone's PayPal information is very INFURIATING to me. I don't care how mad you are if someone is stealing/modifying your items but that does NOT mean you can take it out on everyone by doing this.

Do you realize that you are only HURTING YOURSELF because you have BREACHED the TRUST that you supporters (including me) have put in you.

Do you know what you could be doing to someone right now? You could be causing major financial problems to innocent people who have done nothing but donate and support you.

I cannot believe that
you would do this.

All I can really say right now is that I am ashamed of you.
Think before you act.

No matter how talented you are, I am going to have to report you to PayPal for this. This is just very IRRITATING.

Also known as DreDo @ ModTheSims2 & S2C.

Reply written by rose at Friday 10th of November 2006, 9:15 pm, PST

What?"Giving out everyone's PayPal information"?All the webmasters from TSR,MTS2 and many other famous sims2 sites can prove me,I did not do that and I will never do that. This is just a canard from a people who sharing our donation items and we find out her,she is retaliating me!
Thanks for your support!
Rose

Date: Friday 10th of November 2006, 12:46 pm, PST
Name: screwutoo!
Number: 2,267

you are being reported to paypal for giving out people's info freak!

Reply written by rose at Friday 10th of November 2006, 9:10 pm, PST

NO,I haven't received any notification from paypal about this.That's just a canard!

Date: Friday 10th of November 2006, 12:22 pm, PST
Name: Bonbon
Number: 2,266

Sorry but you can not give out peoples paypal info.

Reply written by rose at Friday 10th of November 2006, 9:09 pm, PST

Hi Bonbon,please do not believe that,that's a canard,I find a people who sharing at least four site's(include TSR) donation items and we pause her,so she angry with me and then make a canard that I give out her paypal information!

There is more in here than on her guestbook because she started deleting them last night and only chose to leave's Blue's post there. I can assure you all we are not simple talking about email addresses. We are talking about Real names, addresses and phones numbers that they received through paypal. Also, There is more than just Blue's info there. Actually they have quite a running list of names and addresses.

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: Ensign EO on 2006 November 11, 17:09:46

"Do you think the 3D MAX company(or photoshop) can say that all the .MAX files(or the .jpg files) are belong to them?"

All your .MAX files are belong to us.

I couldn't resist. Gyah. :lol:

Oh no, poor Rose. She's being attacked by jealous poor people with lies about her activities. Never mind the whole, you know, trap thing that I read about earlier or anything... Nope, nope. She's the victim here.

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: Lackey on 2006 November 11, 17:22:31

This now on her FRONT PAGE

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Important Notification
I found out a people who sharing several site's donation items and then we prohibited her from receiving donation files ever again from us,I guess this is why the rumor occured!
Anyone found to be redistributing my donation files will have themselves banned form this site and other web masters will be notified of your user name ONLY to prevent theft of their files. No personal information have been and will be shared but theft will not be tolerated! Rumor is Rumor,I hope it will stop soon and thanks ever so much for all your support!

I will try to explain this as easy as I can.

When you donate to Rose, you are not required to register, and therefore provide any username. The only thing she gets is what she receives from paypal. So, you buy her hair and she gives your PAYPAL email address to other sites. Now think about this. If you have paypal, what exactly is required to log in to your paypal account? Your EMAIL address. So even if she stops, (and I dont think she will) sending ALL of your info to the other sites, she is still giving the most important piece of information away, YOUR EMAIL. And she is still going against paypal's terms of service. She is essence using paypal to gain your personal information for the sole purpose of sharing that info with others. That is a arrestable offense.

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: ... on 2006 November 11, 17:30:51

If she's in China, it's probably going to be a little difficult for Paypal to have her arrested, or for them to want to bother with it. That doesn't mean that they can't shut her off! If she got blacklisted from Paypal forever her donation scheme would still be mud. :)

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: coliss on 2006 November 11, 17:37:22

They're just going to shut down her Paypal account. Being arrested might be too much. :lol:

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: Lackey on 2006 November 11, 17:40:02

Quote from: "Renatus"

She should be blacklisted from paypal and then we can go after the others that are sharing the information. I think it is pretty shitty of the other sites with subs to put Rose in this position as well. They pretend to be her friend and then ask her to do something illegal so they can get more money. I can not believe that at least one of them was not smart enough to figure out this was against paypal policy and that the person doing it would lose their paypal privileges.

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: BlueSoup on 2006 November 11, 17:53:52

One of them was, and he/she warned Rose against sharing the information.

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: Anouk on 2006 November 11, 17:56:55

If you're talking about the post posted under 'Anouk', that was me. It's obvious the other paysites are just using her and letting her take the fall. I see none of them over there supporting her. Very convient for them, huh? :?

Wonder if she's ever heard of competition? Nice friends.

Bluesoup, did anyone contact you on your email, or called you by phone? If so, then she is royally screwed no matter what she does.

I'm not a fan of uploading stuff without one's permission, but sharing such personal info is very dangerous and very illegal.

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: BlueSoup on 2006 November 11, 18:09:46

No one has contacted me.

And when I said she was warned, I meant on the forum where some of the paysite creators are sharing this information.

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: Sherry on 2006 November 11, 18:11:19

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Do you think the 3D MAX company(or photoshop) can say that all the .MAX files(or the .jpg files) are belong to them? If yes,my creations are included the 3D model I made using 3D MAX and the texture I drawing with photoshop,now what the company can say with the others? I can tell you that even the Maxis also haven't said the custom creations is property of EA Games,you can see here :
http://thesims2.ea.com/community/chat_09_13_... .
And if you do read the policy,please tell me which the clause I have violated.

Right but photoshop and 3D .Max are programs specifically designed and sold to people interested in editing photos or making 3D objects, for entertainment and selling. Sims is not designed for those who "want" to modify .package files and sell them, it is a computer game in which gamers have found a way to modify and create custom content for that specific game. To even act like both are in the same ballpark is plain stupid.

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: Lackey on 2006 November 11, 18:22:47

More of her guestbook, This time she openly admitts to sharing the info of 3 people not just ONE. And note that she says your not safe if you know them. You dont have to BE them, you just have to know them.

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Date: Saturday 11th of November 2006, 9:50 am, PST
Name: Anouk
Number: 2,285

Rose, if those other paysites are wanting to make you share info on potential thieves, you should not do it!
You will have to face all the complaints and maybe even a paypal ban, and they get what they want without any trouble.
Even if you did share an adress, everyone makes a mistake but this is very serious and you are gonna take the fall FOR THEM. Is that fair?

Date: Saturday 11th of November 2006, 8:52 am, PST
Name: Cowgirl
Number: 2,284

I was really thinking about donating to your site, but when I saw how you treat donators (accusing them of stealing and sharing their paypal information) I don't think I will ever donate to this site.
It's really disgusting how much your greed is clouding your judgements here. Giving out paypal information is wrong. So is bullying people. This Bluesoup person for example.

I promise you I will let all of my friends know what a horrible site this is to donate to. Your greed is going to lose you a lot of potential donors.

Reply written by rose at Saturday 11th of November 2006, 9:07 am, PST

I iterate that only the three people who redistributed our donation files(we have enough proof and even one of them has been confessed she did) had been banned from our sites, if you do not one of them,you needn't worry about anything at all! If you are asking us protect a thief,I can't say anything with you!

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: sickpuppy on 2006 November 11, 18:23:38

We have know way of knowing if the BlueSoup on this site is the same as the Blue on the others sites. Let them PROVE their allegations.

I think the next time I register anywhere, I'll be....twojeffs or JM..Oh OH I'll be Delphy! What fun!!

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: Ensign EO on 2006 November 11, 18:26:15

She can't even remain consistent. :roll:

Greed not only clouds judgment, it messes with your memory too. :wink:

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: BlueSoup on 2006 November 11, 18:34:37

Quote from: "sickpuppy"

We have know way of knowing if the BlueSoup on this site is the same as the Blue on the others sites. Let them PROVE their allegations.

Huh? I am the same BlueSoup on all sites. ;)

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: photo on 2006 November 11, 18:49:31

wtf does the word Canard mean? is that some kind of Chinese cuss word or something?

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: Sherry on 2006 November 11, 18:50:11

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I iterate that only the three people who redistributed our donation files(we have enough proof and even one of them has been confessed she did) had been banned from our sites, if you do not one of them,you needn't worry about anything at all! If you are asking us protect a thief,I can't say anything with you!

Wrong, wrong, wrong! Banning I can understand, and I can say that having been banned before. Sharing personal information about a persons real name and address is completely different! It is illegal and I am sure that non-filesharers will find more sympathy in that then they will in people sharing her files!

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: Quorneater on 2006 November 11, 18:53:02

I'm far more worried about PayPal's part in this. I had no idea they pass on stuff like my real name and contact details to people I buy stuff from. What's with that? Rather defeats the object.

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: Surelyfunke on 2006 November 11, 18:53:40

Quote from: "shelikescake"

wtf does the word Canard mean? is that some kind of Chinese cuss word or something?

I can assure you it's not.

From Merriam-Webster Online:

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Main Entry: ca·nard
Pronunciation: k&-'närd also -'när
Function: noun
Etymology: French, literally, duck; in sense 1, from Middle French vendre des canards à moitié to cheat, literally, to half-sell ducks
1 a : a false or unfounded report or story; especially : a fabricated report b : a groundless rumor or belief
2 : an airplane with horizontal stabilizing and control surfaces in front of supporting surfaces; also : a small airfoil in front of the wing of an aircraft that increases the aircraft's stability

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: photo on 2006 November 11, 18:54:47

i knew it meant duck (in fact thats what i thought she was calling them at first) but i've never heard the other before! lol thanks

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: coliss on 2006 November 11, 18:55:49

Haha, when I read it, I always had a picture of a duck.

We're learning new words, how awesome is that?

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: Surelyfunke on 2006 November 11, 18:55:49

Quote from: "shelikescake"

i knew it meant duck (in fact thats what i thought she was calling them at first) but i've never heard the other before! lol thanks

Hey, she very well may be trying to call us ducks. Except she missed completely. Wouldn't be the first time :P

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: Moose on 2006 November 11, 19:08:14

She appears to be deleting all accusations.

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: Lackey on 2006 November 11, 19:11:09

Quote from: "Moose"

She appears to be deleting all accusations.

Yes, she has spent a lot of time deleting. She got tired and removed the guest book.

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: sickpuppy on 2006 November 11, 19:16:00

Quote from: "BlueSoup"

Quote from: "sickpuppy"

We have know way of knowing if the BlueSoup on this site is the same as the Blue on the others sites. Let them PROVE their allegations.

Huh? I am the same BlueSoup on all sites. ;)

You are not! I know better. ;)

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: Sherry on 2006 November 11, 19:22:23

Quote from: "teadrinker"

I'm far more worried about PayPal's part in this. I had no idea they pass on stuff like my real name and contact details to people I buy stuff from. What's with that? Rather defeats the object.

Paypal if I am not mistaken orginally grew out of Ebay, so the sending of merchaindise to addresses was extremely common in it's infancy. Paypal is everywhere now, alot of places that need to ship you something will use that option on paypal for your address. It's probably just something that is hard for paypal to control, as it would cost them too much time and money to look into if everyone who requested address information actually needed it for what they are selling.

I think though they should make it an available option for the buyer to not expose such personal information if it is not necessary in the transaction.

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: BlueSoup on 2006 November 11, 19:24:40

Quote from: "Sherry"

I think though they should make it an available option for the buyer to not expose such personal information if it is not necessary in the transaction.

I completely agree with that. There is no reason for any Sims transactions to require mailing addresses.

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: Sherry on 2006 November 11, 19:52:39

Quote from: "BlueSoup"

Quote from: "Sherry"

I think though they should make it an available option for the buyer to not expose such personal information if it is not necessary in the transaction.

I completely agree with that. There is no reason for any Sims transactions to require mailing addresses.

It's why my sims paypal account is a complete fabrication of the truth. If they are not going to take responsibility in protecting my identity I am not going to give them real information about who I am.

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: BlueSoup on 2006 November 11, 20:47:16

Well mine is now :P

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: jesserocket on 2006 November 11, 21:30:48

I like the way that when she's arguing, she uses all these baffling synonyms, like Canard, and has quite good English, but when she's doing the fluffy 'they're lying to ruin my reputation' thing, she goes into this 'I'm foreign, my English not so good, pity me' type of speak.

I think it's dreadful, founded in her mind or not, that she's sharing details of people she SUSPECTED to be sharing files. Let alone the fact that it's really not her place to do that sort of thing anyway, but just people who she suspects might be. I don't like that, not at all, and the fact that she lied about the reason for her bizarre new donation policy, too.

*sigh*

I have a horrible feeling though, that if RoseSims is destroyed, there'll be a bigger backlash than there was for Retailsims...

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: Ensign EO on 2006 November 11, 21:36:39

That'll be one more killmark for JM, and it'll make for some interesting reading, to say the least.

Though I think if Peggy went under, it would make for the largest backlash. Rose is pretty prolific, but I see more people gushing about Peggy than anyone else.

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: Lackey on 2006 November 11, 21:40:13

Actually, I think when you see the good English, it is actually Lyriclee doing the typing and the broken English is Rose. After all, it was Lyriclee that helped get Rose in this bind to begin with. Rumor has it, that this whole plan was Lyriclee's baby, her master plan to bring us down. It baffles me that paysite owners would listen to someone that has nothing to lose. She does not own a paysite. When the paysites start lsoing their paypal accounts, Lyriclee can just sit back and look innocent because she lost nothing.

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: jesserocket on 2006 November 11, 21:43:23

Interesting thought there. Verrry interesting. That would also account for especially large finger pointing at Blue, if Lyric is a part of all this, hardly any love lost there...

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: BlueSoup on 2006 November 11, 21:57:10

Quote from: "jesserocket"

Interesting thought there. Verrry interesting. That would also account for especially large finger pointing at Blue, if Lyric is a part of all this, hardly any love lost there...

Whaddya mean? Lyric and I are best friends, we were just laughing over all this together. :lol:

Yes, Lyric is heavily involved in this, no matter how much the lady doth protest. She is the one who got the sekkrit board set up on MTS2 for these people to combat the evil filesharers. Even though she's probably still downloading the booty :P

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: Surelyfunke on 2006 November 11, 22:04:59

Notice how "Rose" spells "Thief" in that "Don't Believe the Hype!" section of the now-deleted guestbook.

"THEIF!!"

Sound familiar?

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: Lackey on 2006 November 11, 22:10:50

here is another sickening thought. The paysites have banding together to share our names and addresses so they can combat the wicked. Just wondering how you all feel about this guy having your name, address, telephone number and email address. http://paysites.mustbedestroyed.org/phorum/viewtopic.php?t=45

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: jesserocket on 2006 November 11, 22:16:51

...That's it. I'm getting a guard dog.

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: Lackey on 2006 November 11, 22:20:39

As I said, they know nothing about the people they are sharing with. Only that they are paysite owners. They dont know thei history or who the actual people themselves are. They are playing a very dangerous game.

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: Ensign EO on 2006 November 11, 22:22:11

I feel almost compelled not to believe that the paysite owners and their fan club would be so psychotic as to stalk/harass filesharers, because it's not like I hear any filesharers talking about how they once broke into Rose's house and raped her dog or anything...

But these people are loony. They feel justified in what they're doing, so it wouldn't be that much of a stretch, would it?

It's nice they think it's okay to jack people's personal information when for the most part it's only files that are being shared, and not paysite owners' fucking phone numbers or addresses.

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: Sherry on 2006 November 11, 22:23:06

Quote from: "Lackey"

here is another sickening thought. The paysites have banding together to share our names and addresses so they can combat the wicked.

Honestly, why, are they planning on sending me christmas cards? So yeah I guess it would really suck to have your personal information out there, because it personal, but what on earth do they think they are going to do with someones real address? Try to find someone else close by who will egg their house?

This crap is just going to keep more fans from donating! I say the best way to repay them is to try to make this little bit of knowledge as public as possible! I'll join a team to get the word out.

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: jesserocket on 2006 November 11, 22:27:59

I think that's one of the most disturbing things about all this. You give your details to PayPal, cos they're a large, reputable company, but whenever you buy something using it, those details are passed on...and in this case, well, there are some pretty damn cross people out there over this sharing, and while I highly doubt any of them would be sending letter bombs or whatever, there is certain amounts of damage you can wreak on someone if you want to, having access to such details... :?

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: Solowren on 2006 November 11, 22:29:09

Quote from: "jesserocket"

I'm glad I've never donated. ._.

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: Lackey on 2006 November 11, 22:30:33

Well I know it has hit BBS. No way to get it on S2C because Delphy would delete it the second he seen it because he is letting them do this on his forum. I think it is on Maty and my favorite site of all. I am not sure where else we can out it so everyone gets to see it.

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: jesserocket on 2006 November 11, 22:30:50

Quote from: "Your Mother Has Scurvy"

Quote from: "jesserocket"

I'm glad I've never donated. ._.

I'm glad I don't do paypal. :D

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: jesserocket on 2006 November 11, 22:32:11

Quote from: "Lackey"

Could try N99....but that's an iffy one, tis an odd mix there...

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: Sherry on 2006 November 11, 22:34:58

Quote from: "Lackey"

Could we put up a webpage or something that is searchable by google with the name of the website, buyer be ware sort of thing. Doesn't have to be pro-sharing, but instead these are the facts sort of thing, we can put up what we know about the incidents, that those involved are willing to share.

Edit: Think of all the people who donate to MTS2, wouldn't they like to know what kind of risk Delphy is putting them all in, while he takes their money to keep his site free.

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: LovelyLies on 2006 November 11, 22:47:38

There is also the livejournal community. But I'm not sure how... kindly... they would take to this. Seeing as this has been going on for about a month and it hasn't hit the ljcomm yet they may be blocking it... >< That is such an irritating thing to think. That people might be so turned off to the idea of filesharing that they block information that may benefit them.

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: albo on 2006 November 11, 22:48:03

Quote from: "jesserocket"

Using such a strange term, twice is more of an indication of using an automatic translator, or at the very least a dictionary, than an indication of good English.

All your .packages are belong to us!

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: coliss on 2006 November 11, 23:07:30

Quote from: "LovelyLies"

I don't know which LJ com you're talking about, but I do know that someone once said that she lost all the stuff from PeggySims because she uninstalled Pets -- so she was going to pay again. I was tempted to give the link of PMBD, but you just never know how people will react. I don't wanna start a flame war because of that.

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: Vaughna on 2006 November 11, 23:26:10

Quote from: "Sherry"

Edit: Think of all the people who donate to MTS2, wouldn't they like to know what kind of risk Delphy is putting them all in, while he takes their money to keep his site free.

Think of all the people who don't know, Delphy, was arrested in 2001 for Child Pornography.

I don't understand how he has been allowed to be in a position of power in the TS2 community and in constant chat contact with people's kids? No one speaks up because everyone is so afraid of being banned, but it's not alright at all.

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: Solowren on 2006 November 11, 23:28:42

Quote from: "Vaughna"

Quote from: "Sherry"

Edit: Think of all the people who donate to MTS2, wouldn't they like to know what kind of risk Delphy is putting them all in, while he takes their money to keep his site free.

I don't understand how he has been allowed to be in a position of power in the TS2 community and in constant chat contact with people's kids? No one speaks up because everyone is so afraid of being banned, but it's not alright at all.

:shock: .......

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: Sherry on 2006 November 11, 23:29:04

Yeah I seen that earlier today. Had me wondering the same thing. :?

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: Vaughna on 2006 November 11, 23:31:03

It's true. And alot of top people in the community have known about it for years already. Everyone has been too afraid to speak up because he bans.

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: coliss on 2006 November 11, 23:31:28

Holy llama. :shock: *shivers*

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: Lackey on 2006 November 11, 23:31:59

Quote from: "Vaughna"

Quote from: "Sherry"

Edit: Think of all the people who donate to MTS2, wouldn't they like to know what kind of risk Delphy is putting them all in, while he takes their money to keep his site free.

Think of all the people who don't know, Delphy, a.k.a. , was arrested in 2001 for Child Pornography.

I don't understand how he has been allowed to be in a position of power in the TS2 community and in constant chat contact with people's kids? No one speaks up because everyone is so afraid of being banned, but it's not alright at all.

I am gonna ask you to edit your post and remove the link and his personal name from here. We do not want to sink to their level as providing personal info about other people. Please remove it.

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: Blodeuwedd on 2006 November 11, 23:33:40

The link doesn't work for me... :(

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: Vaughna on 2006 November 11, 23:34:28

Quote from: "Lackey"

I am gonna ask you to edit your post and remove the link and his personal name from here. We do not want to sink to their level as providing personal info about other people. Please remove it.

Done.

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: coliss on 2006 November 11, 23:36:09

There's still the link & name in Your Mother Has Scurvy's post.

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: Lackey on 2006 November 11, 23:36:50

Thanks so much. Scurvy would you please edit yours as well. I dont mind if you highlight sections of it and I dont mind if you share it in pm's. I just dont want them coming back and saying we are posting his name on a public forum.

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: Sherry on 2006 November 11, 23:36:53

Quote from: "Lackey"

Quote from: "Vaughna"

Quote from: "Sherry"

Edit: Think of all the people who donate to MTS2, wouldn't they like to know what kind of risk Delphy is putting them all in, while he takes their money to keep his site free.

I am gonna ask you to edit your post and remove the link and his personal name from here. We do not want to sink to their level as providing personal info about other people. Please remove it.

I can see where you are coming from. I had mixed feelings on the issue myself.

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: Vaughna on 2006 November 11, 23:40:01

Quote from: "Lackey"

I understand. But I do think it's an issue that should be addressed in our community as a whole. It is not okay, and it has been going on for way too long. How do we know how many kids he has hurt or lured just because everyone is too afraid to speak up and tell the truth?

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: Surelyfunke on 2006 November 11, 23:41:37

I just don't think this is the right forum for it.

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: Solowren on 2006 November 11, 23:42:07

Quote from: "Lackey"

Edit'd.

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: Vaughna on 2006 November 11, 23:42:30

I won't bring it up again, but hopefully someone will finally do the right thing about it.

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: BlueSoup on 2006 November 11, 23:42:49

From all that has happened to me with my personal information, I really don't feel comfortable in advocating someone else's information out there like that. I definitely don't need to stoop to his level.

Most people know his name, google it if you really need to know. Or PM. Just please don't use his real name or link the articles in public.

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: Surelyfunke on 2006 November 11, 23:43:06

Quote from: "Vaughna"

I won't bring it up again, but hopefully someone will finally do the right thing about it.

I agree.

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: Lackey on 2006 November 11, 23:44:05

Quote from: "Vaughna"

Quote from: "Lackey"

I know alot of people are concerned with him running a site geared towards children. That is why I said you may copy and paste sections and agree to share the actual link in pm's. I just dont want them pointing the finger at us because we have his real name and where he lives posted on a public forum. You cold make a post that just simply states if someone wants to know more to pm you.

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: coliss on 2006 November 11, 23:44:25

Quote from: "Lackey"

I see your point and I agree.

It was removed quite fast, so we can run in the fields happily now.

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: Benjamina on 2006 November 11, 23:48:15

Quote from: "Vaughna"

Think of all the people who don't know...

A lot of us have been living on deserted islands this whole time and have been unaware of many activities that have gone on these past several years.

Ignorance is not bliss, and I'd rather know and be informed than to just continue on my merry way and continue to pretend that there's nothing going on out there.

Scary stuff indeed! Thanks for letting us know.

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: fat_n_ugly on 2006 November 12, 00:02:15

i'm getting a little unconfortable with all this....don't you guys think this is getting a little out of hand?

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: Lackey on 2006 November 12, 00:08:45

Quote from: "fat_n_ugly"

i'm getting a little unconfortable with all this....don't you guys think this is getting a little out of hand?

Can you be more specific? Sharing files is one thing, sharing personal information is quite another. Do I think it is out of hand? Yes, I do. Do I think they are going way overboard by putting more value in money than safety? You bet I do. Did it make want to slink away into the night? Hell no, Actually it made me more determined that paysites need to be taken out. I think EA needs to stand up to the plate and do something. They have clearly sat idle for to long. They have allowed this to escalate to a cesspool of paysites and thus the sharing of their content.

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: jesserocket on 2006 November 12, 00:22:04

Wow, I missed dirt while I was busily working?!! Someone PM me it? :D

As for out of hand? Nah, I don't think so. Possibly some of the content of the gossip may be not for some, and I totally agree that there should be some limits to what is said publicly here, but the cause in general, means to an end, and so on, and without going into dark specifics, people have a right to know what those who try to have a stranglehold on the community, are up to.

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: fat_n_ugly on 2006 November 12, 00:26:08

what am uncofortable with is the sharing of information....i mean do you think they will stop or just keep on doing it thinking they are in their right?

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: Lackey on 2006 November 12, 00:33:26

Quote from: "fat_n_ugly"

what am uncofortable with is the sharing of information....i mean do you think they will stop or just keep on doing it thinking they are in their right?

Well, that is going to depend on paypal. If they shut down Rose's account and they should, yes it will stop because the rest will fear losing their accounts. If EA steps in with all the current mess, then that will indeed shut one of us down. If EA would just come and say it like it is than one of us would stop. If EA states the meshes are theirs then we stop. (Well, I would but JM probably would not) If EA states they cant stop us from sharing, then they will stop. Seems quite a simple solution to me. Just need EA to get off the fence and stop playing both sides.

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: Vaughna on 2006 November 12, 00:43:18

I wish EA would have taken a stand at the very beginning. It would have avoided alot. I don't think any game files should be allowed to be sold as they have. They aren't "donation" files, they are files that are being sold. They just abuse the word donation.

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: jesserocket on 2006 November 12, 00:46:26

Everyone thinks they're in the right. Very few people admit to being wrong, they're unusually good people. I think we, here, are in the right, and that they, them, are in the wrong, but sometimes, just sometimes, I read the counter-argument, and think hell, maybe you have something. I don't have all the answers. But between us all, we do, between all of us, we can answer any shit they fling at us.

Unfortunately, it works both ways. When I first read what was going on here, I was sold, instantly. For other people, when they read here, or hear about what's going on here, they're repulsed, and think it's terrible. We here, do what a lot of other people think is bad, and believe that we're doing it for the right reasons. They too, are doing what a lot of people think is bad, but they believe are doing for the right reasons...There's a balance there. Basically, the point in my ramblings is this:

The only way they'll see that they are wrong, is if they get into trouble for it. Not through trashtalking and getting upset by what is said, but by actual, material consequences. It's a case of how firmly you believe in it. Make no mistake: this is war.

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: Lackey on 2006 November 12, 00:57:40

Actually, they dont think they are right either. If they thought for a moment they had a legal right to sell the content the words donation and bandwidth would never even be mentioned. They would all be replaced with the word purchase and business. It would be retailer and customer. There is one site owner that if you say, "I want to buy this set from you" he will respond that he has no sims files for sale and that they are only gifts you receive for donating. There are no purchase buttons out there. They are donator buttons.

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: Sherry on 2006 November 12, 01:08:24

Quote from: "fat_n_ugly"

what am uncofortable with is the sharing of information....i mean do you think they will stop or just keep on doing it thinking they are in their right?

They are not definately not in the right, but that will not make them stop. Those of us who have dealt with this in TS1 will tell you that, so long as they feel there is a major threat, they will do this. They may keep it more secreative, more exclusive, maybe be harder for us to find evidence that it is happening, but it will continue to happen. Year after all the crap at SFV we found reminants of sites used for this purpose, one run by Bella (As the worm turns) and the BlackBook site which CC put together in which a numner of site owners used.

Best we can do is protect ourselves by knowing whats out there, and doing what we can with the information and the evidence we have, like trying to get paypal pulled from Rose.

Edit: In summation we aren't going to stop them, but let's not let them stop us either! I am in for a bloody fight!

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: yamikuronue on 2006 November 12, 01:14:14

Quote from: "Lackey"

most of them probably think it's tradition or something like that *shrugs*

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: andygal on 2006 November 12, 01:21:35

how dare Rose think she has the right to do this?

She has now added violating the paypal TOS to violating EA's EULA.

Damn these paysite owners are on a roll, who's TOS do you think they will violate next week?

I hope she gets her paypal account blown up. I hope all the people who's info she stole get their money back.

And calling people "theif" is just bullshit. It's not stealing if it doesn't deprive other people of the right to use whatever it is you are talking about.

Also it belongs to EA in the first place, and by selling stuff that belongs to somebody else you are being more of a "theif" then the people that fileshare.

Sure if they made a nice looking custom hair they should get credit for it, but they shouldn't be selling it.

Anyway that's my rant on the issue. It's not very good, My brain is a bit fogged today.

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: ladyj on 2006 November 12, 01:32:58

I wanted to point out something with Rose. I posted it at SFV but I think you all need to see it too

Rose Donation Screen:

(http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/950/rosedonatejc9.png)

Sim Chic Donation Screen:

(http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/2002/simchicdonatezn6.png)

Notice that Sim Chic has an option for turning off your address while Rose don't.

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: Aquamarine on 2006 November 12, 01:35:35

Hooooly shit this has gotten intense. :shock:

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: silverfish on 2006 November 12, 01:40:02

I wonder if that has anything to do with her being a "non-verified" member. Which means that her information has not been certified through a bank account.

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: jesserocket on 2006 November 12, 01:40:47

Quote from: "Lackey"

I'm slightly drunk, and open to interpreting the feelings of the world...;)

LadyJ, Fuck and wow. On the surface of things, Rose's interface there could be claimed as just plain ignorance on the part of Rose, I dunno, I've never set up a paypal recieving thingy...but...in light of what Rose has been doing. Dude, that's not good. Not good at all...

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: coliss on 2006 November 12, 01:45:55

The most outrageous thing about that screenshot is the 2.50 USD! :lol:

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: silverfish on 2006 November 12, 01:46:38

I use it for ebay, and when I set up the account, there was no way to actually set it up so that it gave a choice if someone wanted to give their shipping info or not. Though that was to receive payment for good that would have to be shipped. But, somehow I doubt that the system is set up much differently. Since you can paypal to receive money for multiple purposes.

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: yamikuronue on 2006 November 12, 01:50:46

Quote from: "silverfish"

I wonder if that has anything to do with her being a "non-verified" member. Which means that her information has not been certified through a bank account.

screenshot says Non-US verified. Meaning in another country but verified.

She's in china ,right? do they have laws about that sort of thing?

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: ladyj on 2006 November 12, 01:53:08

Quote from: "silverfish"

I wonder if that has anything to do with her being a "non-verified" member. Which means that her information has not been certified through a bank account.

Peggy is verified, but she does the same thing:

(http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/1856/peggydonationsu8.png)

Even if it has something to do with their country, I think that there is an option on Paypal that you can say that collecting the address is not needed because it is a digital download or something like that

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: BlueSoup on 2006 November 12, 01:54:31

Paypal's TOS are international. Meaning, she's been fucking up regardless of where she lives, and she damn well knows it which is why she's denying it so bloody hard.

And I had both of those subs LadyJ, so I know exactly what you're talking about.

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: jesserocket on 2006 November 12, 02:11:50

That disgusts me. And if, indeed, the lovely Lyric is involved, and has in some way convinced Rose to do this by being some kind of cricket on her shoulder (not like I'm saying she twisted Rose's arm, but you know what I mean, like, convinced her it was the right thing to do), then I'm absolutely sickened by LyricLee, as much as anything.

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: yamikuronue on 2006 November 12, 02:17:38

Quote

Seller Tools - Website Payments

How do I edit my shipping address options?

When creating your PayPal payment buttons, you can choose one of the following shipping address options:

* Make shipping optional <input type="hidden" name="no_shipping" value="0">
* No shipping needed <input type="hidden" name="no_shipping" value="1">
* Yes, require shipping <input type="hidden" name="no_shipping" value="2">

To edit your PayPal payment button, retrieve the HTML that you cut and pasted onto your website. In the HTML code, find the variable <input type="hidden" name="no_shipping" value="2">. Replace it with one of the following:

* <input type="hidden" name="no_shipping" value="0">
* <input type="hidden" name="no_shipping" value="1">

from paypal's help center. I can't read chinese to check if it's the same internationally, though I know enough spanish to find the spanish version"

Quote

Herramientas de vendedor - Pagos en el sitio Web

¿Cómo puedo editar las opciones de mi dirección de envío?

Al crear los botones de pago con PayPal, puede seleccionar una de las siguientes opciones de dirección de envío:

* Hacer opcional el envío <input type="hidden" name="no_shipping" value="0">
* No se requiere envío <input type="hidden" name="no_shipping" value="1">
* Si, exigir envío <input type="hidden" name="no_shipping" value="2">

Para editar el botón de pago de PayPal, recupere el código HTML que había copiado y pegado en el sitio Web. En el código HTML, busque la variable <input type="hidden" name="no_shipping" value="2">. Sustitúyala por una de las siguientes:

* <input type="hidden" name="no_shipping" value="0">
* <input type="hidden" name="no_shipping" value="1">

which implies that internationally it's the same

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: PirateBooty on 2006 November 12, 02:25:32

Quote from: "jesserocket"

I've donated to rose before this place existed and it's always been that way

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: ladyj on 2006 November 12, 02:29:55

It has always been that way, but what I'm trying to point out is that Rose has everyone's personal address and personal e-mail address on file who has donated to her. Who's to say that she haven't given out everyone's info that she has?

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: jesserocket on 2006 November 12, 03:06:46

Quote from: "PirateBooty"

Quote from: "jesserocket"

I've donated to rose before this place existed and it's always been that way

Either way, it's either ignorance, intent or cohesion (sp? I've never seen it written), none of which are good things, at all.

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: kathy on 2006 November 12, 03:31:33

yami thanks for the info.... Someone mentioned to me last night that it was optional and I hadn't had a chance to look yet to make the change.

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: silverfish on 2006 November 12, 04:15:40

I'm in no way saying that Rose is f*ing up and violating the TOS - but I'm thinking because they are non-US members, has something to do with the way the sub page is set up.

I know that when I set up my account to accept payments, there was no option to make it require a shipping address or not. I don't think this is something that Rose did when setting up her Paypal account. You may be giving her way to much credit -

I think it is just something with Paypal that she is now choosing to exploit.

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: Lackey on 2006 November 12, 05:15:16

I agree

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: yamikuronue on 2006 November 12, 05:17:49

Quote from: "silverfish"

See my post above. That's how you set the option to require a shipping address or not. I had to search a little, though, so maybe she doesn't know how, that one I'll believe.

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: Pariland on 2006 November 12, 05:49:20

I don't think EA will ever get involved, and in the end, Rose's actions arent' about them. Truthfully, it is within her power to decide who can buy her stuff from her (I think). However, having accepted the terms of Paypal's TOS, she does not have the right to distribute her customer's personal information. This is why this is going to be a Paypal issue. These security breaches happend through their system.

Still, I'm not sure why they(EA) don't make a statement. I guess they fear that people will stop making custom content and get bored with the game. That is stupid - here is why:

1. If anything, that's where they can step in with those stuff packs and make more money for themselves.

2. For every creator who threatens to take their toys and go home (can we make tihs an official slogan?), there are 3 who make better quality things for free. It's like cutting off the tail of a lizard (no, not that lizard).

3. Drama queens thrive on drama. And the more dramatic the tantrum the former creator throws upon their exit, the shorter the time they actually stick by their words. So whenever a creator claims to be quitting, I say, wait a week.

4. Drama queens also need constant ego stroking. That is why they have to announce that they will show off what they've created, but won't share it for download. But people tire of this quickly, and the creator has to get back in the game by giving their stuff to people to amp up the dwindling praise.

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: wicked_one on 2006 November 12, 06:49:42

it is entirely optional...
Sign into paypal account, go to merchant services, make your choice of "donations" or "subscriptions" or whatever...under "more options" or "extended options" (it's the place where you get the button html code stuff)

(click it)
(http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/9500/optionalgi6.th.png) (http://img296.imageshack.us/my.php?image=optionalgi6.png)

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: Sherry on 2006 November 12, 07:15:58

Quote from: "sintrinity"

I don't see how EA can NOT make a statement

EA has always made the statement that they own everything sims related - and yet hold no responsibility for it either. That even goes for the original ingame stuff, It's part of the EULA.

Now they will take care of the ingame stuff, because it's bad business not to. I doubt though that they will concern themselves with any CC site. They have always in the past neglected all of this, and if their record of of over 5 years of crao like this happening has proved this.

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: Vaughna on 2006 November 12, 09:03:39

Quote from: "Sherry"

I think EA is only interested in doing what is cheapest for them. If it costs them money in legal fees to go after anyone, they won't bother. And I think that's really what it boils down to. They've been very cheap with the game itself. Stingy with giving any freebie official items, not bothering to pay anyone to hack them up, so they are usually decorative eye candy. The quality of the packs is a big reflection of this. They couldn't even be bothered to make a whole new Xmas pack, they had to only do a small addon.

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: albo on 2006 November 12, 12:39:26

Quote from: "silverfish"

I wonder if that has anything to do with her being a "non-verified" member. Which means that her information has not been certified through a bank account.

It's very hard to be verified if you're outside the big paypal countries (US, canada, UK, Australia and a few others.)
That has nothing to do with it. She just hasn't taken the time to read up and configure her account correctly.

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: PirateBooty on 2006 November 13, 00:16:56

also a bank account doesn't verify you - im unverified because i don't have a credit card to add to my paypal account, but my bank account is connected.

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: MMEStalker on 2006 November 13, 00:32:36

Quote from: "PirateBooty"

also a bank account doesn't verify you - im unverified because i don't have a credit card to add to my paypal account, but my bank account is connected.

Do the requirements for verification vary from country to country? I don't have a credit card, I'm verified, with just my bank account. I think.

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: PirateBooty on 2006 November 13, 00:54:26

It might. I'm not in the US.

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: wicked_one on 2006 November 13, 00:58:16

From the PayPal help pages:

Quote

What does it mean to be a Verified member of PayPal?

To be Verified means you have successfully established your identity with us by confirming a bank account or getting approved for the PayPal Plus Credit Card or PayPal Buyer Credit.

Quote

Can non-U.S. members become Verified?

Yes. Non-U.S. members can become Verified. To become Verified, log in to your account and click the Unverified link on the Account Overview page. This link brings up a checklist of what you must do to become Verified.

There is no info on there that I've seen that says what the requirements are per country.

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: BlueSoup on 2006 November 13, 01:03:26

Quote from: "MMEStalker"

also a bank account doesn't verify you - im unverified because i don't have a credit card to add to my paypal account, but my bank account is connected.

A bank account will verify you in Canada.

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: MMEStalker on 2006 November 13, 01:06:15

Quote from: "BlueSoup"

A bank account will verify you in Canada.

And in the UK.

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: rosebud on 2006 November 13, 03:18:51

Quote from: "shelikescake"

wtf does the word Canard mean? is that some kind of Chinese cuss word or something?

FYI, canard means rumors, hearsays, or anything like that with tendencies of being nasty. She definitely looked up this word in a dictionary or something. :)

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: Pescado on 2006 November 13, 03:25:41

MON CANARD EST EN FEU!

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: PirateBooty on 2006 November 13, 03:27:14

Quote from: "BlueSoup"

Quote from: "MMEStalker"

also a bank account doesn't verify you - im unverified because i don't have a credit card to add to my paypal account, but my bank account is connected.

A bank account will verify you in Canada.

Quote from: "MMEStalker"

And in the UK.

I must suck then

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: coliss on 2006 November 13, 04:25:28

Quote from: "Pescado"

MON CANARD EST EN FEU!

Hahaha.

I'm hungry now.

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: Pariland on 2006 November 13, 08:26:09

I'm always amazed at how quickly people try to cover their asses when they've been exposed as liars. Check out Rose's new homepage message.

http://hxxp://www.rosesims2.net

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: Sherry on 2006 November 13, 08:29:17

Quote from: "Pariland"

I'm always amazed at how quickly people try to cover their asses when they've been exposed as liars. Check out Rose's new homepage message.

http://hxxp://www.rosesims2.net

Yep. I don't think she had a choice. There is a message in all of this though, and that is watch out. Paysites want to destroy you too! :wink:

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: lemmiwinks on 2006 November 13, 08:32:20

Sherry expresses great wisdom. I hope people listen.

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: makesmewannadie on 2006 November 13, 08:50:54

One of the most awesome things is that her google ads are now all about fraud protection:

RIP OFF, REPORT A FRAUD
FRAUD INVESTIGATION TOOL
LEGAL /ID THEFT PROTECTION

Ha!

From Google AdSense:"Because the ads are related to what your visitors are looking for on your site — or matched to the characteristics and interests of the visitors your content attracts — you'll finally have a way to both monetize and enhance your content pages."

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: Pariland on 2006 November 13, 09:02:58

So that's how you destroy your reputation in one weekend.

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: Surelyfunke on 2006 November 13, 11:25:37

Quote from: "makesmewannadie"

Oh my goodness. :lol: That's awesome.

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: coliss on 2006 November 13, 13:37:19

Quote from: "Pariland"

I'm always amazed at how quickly people try to cover their asses when they've been exposed as liars. Check out Rose's new homepage message.

http://hxxp://www.rosesims2.net

About time! Hey, shouldn't PMBD get a little credit for this? :lol:

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: Moose on 2006 November 13, 14:24:00

I'm bummed now that my adblocker blocks google ads... Can anyone take a screen shot for me?

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: Benjamina on 2006 November 13, 14:30:08

So, what, Rose just changes the way she sees what she gets from paypal and that's it?

Somehow that isn't the outcome I was expecting out of all of this...

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: Xerolize on 2006 November 13, 14:33:13

she got rid of her guestbook citing a stupid and very lame excuse. :roll:

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: Benjamina on 2006 November 13, 14:59:59

Boo-hoo lost her guestbook - let's all cry for Rose over that one. It's not like she couldn't delete all the entries out of her guestbook and start it up again.

Actually losing a lot of the entries in her guestbook (not all of them, but a lot of them) pointing to her wrong doing is a bad thing for future buyers. To that end, I wish the guestbook feature would come back. But we know that won't happen, she knows it would get flooded again with those sorts of messages.

And it's not like she can't go on collecting money via paypal.

Her model of operation hasn't changed, has it? She's still a paysite, no? And from the looks of it, it would appear she has no plans to change that.

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: albo on 2006 November 13, 15:50:05

Quote from: "MMEStalker"

Do the requirements for verification vary from country to country? I don't have a credit card, I'm verified, with just my bank account. I think.

I haven't checked in a while, but there used to be a thing about your shipping address having to match your credit card address, and for a lot of countries the address format just wouldn't add up (not all countries have a 5-digit zip code for instance), so the automatic process would fail.
But I think that was just about verifying addresses, not the accounts themselves.

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: Surelyfunke on 2006 November 13, 16:44:37

Benjamina, it's all about the "baby steps." ;)

Title: Re: Roses's guestbook
Post by: wyrdwing on 2006 November 13, 17:18:56

Quote

Quote:
Reply written by rose at Saturday 11th of November 2006, 12:11 am, PST

Do you think the 3D MAX company(or photoshop) can say that all the .MAX files(or the .jpg files) are belong to them? If yes,my creations are included the 3D model I made using 3D MAX and the texture I drawing with photoshop,now what the company can say with the others?

Sorry to be going back on an old issue but aren't the 'terms of usage' different?
You can create many 3d models and textures and sell them, create your own games, films, etc (as long as you're not using the educational/learning version)
but as soon as you make content for a commercial game which says all content must be non-commercial (not for selling) doesn't that wave your right of those items? (maybe someone can check) :?

Gee this forum gets more and more interesting with each read. :P
It's like an tv soap on on the sims community but with more deceit and lies. :lol:

I think this is another reason i've never donated to sites... how do I know my information is protected?
Compared to other digital download sites... the sims is a very shady one.

Edited for messy errors :wink:

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: Pariland on 2006 November 13, 17:33:07

And that's the part that Rose and other paysite owners who are bitching keep trying to sweep under the rug. They are not just selling 3d models or textures. I said so in another thread, but here it is again - that is the smallest part of an entire package file. The rest of it is code to make it functional... within the Sims 2. Something they did not originate. So what they are doing is selling mostly Maxis code and claiming all the credit for it.

I propose that the paysites put up or shut up. Sell nothing but your 3d model and/or your texture. Do not use any textures/models from the Poser community (or other 3d modeling communities), or other images you swiped from the internet. Do not steal the copyrighted logos from other companies, or copy fashion/furniture designs from famous designers. Do not merely do a Maxis recolor. Do not use any meshes from the game either.

Then we will see whether people are paying for your work only. But then, how many would be left standing after enforcing all the above.

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: jesserocket on 2006 November 13, 18:07:32

I notice at the bottom, she's made a little remark about a 'virus attack'...which in light of what has been going on, is nicely directing people's assumptions in the wrong direction...-_-

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: Aquamarine on 2006 November 13, 18:09:51

Yeah, I've lost pretty much all respect for her after this shit.

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: bekka on 2006 November 13, 19:33:29

OK, is the link broken or is rose sims down?

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: jesserocket on 2006 November 13, 19:40:19

Quote from: "bekka"

OK, is the link broken or is rose sims down?

Copy and paste the link and substitute the x's for t's. It's a security measure whereby paysite owners or whoever can track where youve came form, which isn't a good thing :)

I still get caught out by it every time...:D

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: Lackey on 2006 November 14, 04:19:58

Anybody got an actual screen shot of her page before she changed it? The one that states she will only share your username.

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: bekka on 2006 November 14, 04:50:51

Thanks Jesserocket. I did copy and paste but didn't notice the xx's.

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: Pariland on 2006 November 14, 05:06:48

I believe I have a screenshot of that. Give me a few minutes.

Is this the one?

(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o240/PhotosForAll90/Untitled.jpg)

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: Lackey on 2006 November 14, 05:29:42

Absolutely perfect. Could you zip that for me and shoot me a pm with it? Thanks so much.

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: jesserocket on 2006 November 14, 15:52:35

I need to start remembering to take screenshots of stuff... :roll:

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: wyrdwing on 2006 November 14, 16:25:31

'no personal information have been and will be shared'

This sentence confuses me a hell of a lot :lol:

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: avic on 2006 November 14, 19:32:22

Meh. I went and looked at my PayPal account and didn't see any info to Rose. I then went to her site and took another look, and it's all coming back to me - I basically said "To hell with this..." regarding paying $1 for a hair set. :chortle: So, one less thing for me to do today (bitch at PayPal) but I guarantee you she will never in the future see a penny of my money no matter how nice her stuff.

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: Solowren on 2006 November 14, 20:48:34

Quote from: "jesserocket"

I need to start remembering to take screenshots of stuff... :roll:

Me too. D:

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: mistersassypants on 2006 November 15, 05:15:35

Quote from: "LovelyLies"

There is livejournal postings about it, but comments have been screened until further notice I guess.

http://community.livejournal.com/thesims2/3284336.html

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: coliss on 2006 November 15, 05:18:23

It's too bad comments are already screened for now.

Quote

oh, crap. of course this has to come up when I have to run out the door to work.

If you're online right now, could you do me a favor and disable comments? I have a whole bunch of links I can post about this, and there has been mod discussion about a post regarding this from us (both PSMBD, Rosesim, and meshes now being bundled into lots/sims, since all of that is related).

(the post is ok by the rules, but it would be easier if we could post a more complete history of what's going on to contain rumors.)

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: mistersassypants on 2006 November 15, 05:25:52

Quote from: "coliss"

It's too bad comments are already screened for now.

Quote

Edit: I've been asked nicely to disable comments until further information can be presented. Instead of disabling I will screen comments, and when I edit again later I'll unscreen them.

Well hopefully the op lives up to her promise and unscreens them.

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: Plum on 2006 November 15, 05:40:52

Quote from: "mistersassypants"

Quote from: "LovelyLies"

There is livejournal postings about it, but comments have been screened until further notice I guess.

http://community.livejournal.com/thesims2/3284336.html

She called Lyric "cuntacular." Ahahahahaha!

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: lemmiwinks on 2006 November 15, 06:14:50

All your personal information are shared by us!

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: coliss on 2006 November 15, 13:41:56

Quote from: "mkir"

I dunno about the OP, but I'm one of the mods (ari_ when I'm at home, mkir when I'm at work), and I plan to write up a post about this site, and Rose, when I get home. *g*

We've actually been pondering how to post about this site, since we have a "don't break other people's TOS" rule (to minimize potential drama). So Rose sharing info is an excellent opportunity to spread the news on the thesims2 LJ comm.

The post was very fine. I do hope you won't get any complaints for posting these links on the post. Hopefully, there won't be a dramafest...
... well, unless it's actually funny, I wouldn't mind too much.

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: simsfunk on 2006 November 15, 15:19:05

I can't quite believe this!! I only just found out about this site the other day from a friend and I thought I was lucky and special to be being passed this "gift" :lol: Then all hell breaks loose!!!

So... having read through this entire thread in pretty much a state of disbelief , are we still recommending that I put in a report/claim to PayPal about Rose?

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: mistersassypants on 2006 November 15, 16:59:22

Quote from: "coliss"

Quote from: "mkir"

Yes, ze post was goot. I kind of hope some to share or not to share drama comes out of it all. bwahahahaha. That would be fun.

Coincidentily, someone in the post mentioned that it wasn't up at fandomwank, what the hell people?

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: nesleyswipes on 2006 November 15, 17:16:59

it is up at f_w. Not this particular chapter, though.

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: Super_Pirate_Dude on 2006 December 08, 03:02:55

if we destroyed rosesims, imagine what a trophy that would be for the killmarks on the front page!

It's like finding yeti and recording him on tape.... it's HUGE! lol :D

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: joanm on 2006 December 30, 02:50:17

I followed the link to RoseSims this evening. Don't particularly care if she sees where I come from, she's never gotten any of my money and never will. But after reading about all the drama I was amused to find a copyrighted and probably trademarked character on her front page. Since the download and donation links don't seem to be working I can't tell if she's charging or it's free. (Is there any free stuff on her site?)

Now I know the anime companies tend to not do much (if anything) about all the fanfic out there, but that's free. But selling hair, dress and an accessory made from their character, somehow I don't think they'd like it.

I've only donated to one site and now I won't be doing even that unless it's a voluntary donation. Does anyone have a list of the sites/site owners who were involved in this little info sharing scheme? I'n just wondering if I need to worry about my info.

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: BlueSoup on 2006 December 30, 03:06:28

It was:

Rose
TSR
Lliella
Birgit
LyricLee (yeah, she wasn't a paysite owner, but she's a big hypocr...I mean supporter :P)
SimFreaks
Sussisogoodsims

That's all I can think of for now, though I may be missing some.

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: PirateBooty on 2006 December 30, 03:59:34

exnem and simslice as well

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: Super_Pirate_Dude on 2006 December 30, 03:59:41

Quote from: "BlueSoup"

Why does that not suprise me?

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: torque on 2006 December 30, 19:05:58

Quote from: "joanm"

You mean Sailor Moon? It's free. She made Sailor Jupiter a long time ago aswell.

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: bethgael on 2007 January 01, 01:14:14

Sailor Moon and the FF weapons are free, but she has Yuna's wedding dress from FFX in the pay section in clear breach of Square Unix's trade mark and copyright.

I've never used her paystuff (until now *grin*) but I do like the weaponry and use it all the time in my stories. I'm a FF fan. What can I say?

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: LesserOr on 2007 January 01, 02:03:22

Quote from: "bethgael"

Sailor Moon and the FF weapons are free, but she has Yuna's wedding dress from FFX in the pay section in clear breach of Square Unix's trade mark and copyright.

Square Enix. :wink:

The pay section also has (Final Fantasy X) Lulu's hair and dress, and this other game character:

http://www.rosesims2.net/contribute/contribute_3.htm

The pink dress next to Lulu also looks familiar, but may just be derivative.

And of course there's all those uncredited Poser meshes.

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: Soup Parrot on 2007 January 01, 09:16:53

Lesser if you think these are poser meshes, can you show which of roses, and the poser models to me. I will investigate this matter further, but you need to give me the links etc.

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: wicked_one on 2007 January 01, 11:02:33

Quote from: "Soup Parrot"

Lesser if you think these are poser meshes, can you show which of roses, and the poser models to me. I will investigate this matter further, but you need to give me the links etc.

i think Ghanima showed comparison pics of rose hairs on the thread at s2c, either the "why do people hate paysites" thread or the spinoff thread "poser initiative"...she posted alot of pics but i dont remember for certain if roses' were in there or not.

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: LesserOr on 2007 January 01, 21:56:04

Took me a while to find the thread. (http://forums.sims2community.com/showthread.php?t=30984) :?
It's a general indictment, not just against Rose. This has been talked about for a while, just not as publicly.

Reading the thread after this point (http://forums.sims2community.com/showthread.php?t=30984&page=11&pp=25) gives links to the Poser mesh sites, and is sprinkled with picture proof.

These two are especially relevant to Rose:

Page 13 (http://forums.sims2community.com/showthread.php?t=30984&page=13&pp=25)
Post 383 (http://forums.sims2community.com/showpost.php?p=699369&postcount=383)

Pictures speak much louder than accusations.
It's a pity they're lost in the rest of the thread. They did seem to change a lot of minds, though, if only toward those specific sites.

Editing to add:
I believe the Poser Initiative is specifically looking to contact these meshers.
A lot of the Poser community apparently knew this was going on, and was angered by it- I don't understand why they didn't try to inform the sims communities.

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: HystericalParoxysm on 2007 January 01, 22:27:17

Picture proof is one thing. It goes a long way, and the fact that so many hair meshes have major elements in common with several Poser hair meshes is... a pretty damn good case for it.

However, I don't think anyone with the skill and knowhow has actually taken the time to open up both the original Poser meshes (which are often pay - $5-10 per mesh) and textures and the suspected Sims 2 mesh and texture and truly compare them, mainly due to lack of having the Poser meshes in hand.

Without that, it's just accusations.

The Poser Initiative does not have specific plans to make contact with creators of original Poser meshes we suspect have been stolen and alert them of the theft. I certainly wouldn't withhold any of the suspicions from their community (and I've been talking to several folks in chat and in forums about it and shown them stuff)...

The goal of the Poser Initiative is not to expose these possible thefts, but provide a steady supply of quality free hair to the community, working together with the Poser community to do so with complete permissions, credits, and links. The suspected thefts actually make it somewhat harder for us to get the permissions from the Poser community, I think, as if they have heard of the previous thefts, they may think we're just going to do the same thing. I'm working hard to set things right and make it clear to them that that's not what we're going to do. We'll see how it goes.

I haven't read through the whole thread, so I'm mainly just responding to LesserOr here, but... the Poser Initiative is just about making hair and trying to do it well and for free for everyone. If other people want to get proactive about making accusations that they can offer to the original creators of the suspected thefts, that's their business. ;)

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: PirateBooty on 2007 January 01, 23:20:44

I highly doubt any of them paid for their poser meshes, just like I doubt any of them paid for their adobe photoshop or anything else. You can get the meshes the same way you can get the rest of the software.

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: LesserOr on 2007 January 02, 00:05:47

I'll preface by saying I wasn't holding that thread up as a 100% reliable example, it's just the most recent example.

Some of the pics shown were simply in the same style. It detracts from the point when you show pics of long, straight hair...and quel coincidence, long, straight hair!
I also wish she had included more pics from the paysites themselves, because the glamor shots tend to be the same (makes sense, since both were often meant to only be seen from one angle.)

At the moment I'm drawing a blank as to where I saw the previous (primarily Rose and Peggy) thread, as it had more Poser links and was better overall. :?

Quote from: "HystericalParoxysm"

Without that, it's just accusations.

Yes, but with a firm enough base that they aren't dismissable. Once is chance, twice is coincidence, but thrice is conspiracy.
If you can look at one Poser site and find multiple hair files from the same paysite, that's at least theft of concept.
When several sims sites release the same style that just happens to be a new Poser release? Well...

There were also those horrid ones that had the same textures, and sometimes the same names. Indefensible.

Quote from: "HystericalParoxysm"

The goal of the Poser Initiative is not to expose these possible thefts,

I wasn't intending to imply that you were crusading, I just thought one of the goals was to pick up some of the same meshes and make proper, legal conversions of them.
As I said in the edit, I understand that many of them already know what's been going on. I assume they're at least aware of Peggy's conversions, since those are the most blatant.

I freely admit that I've not been following the latest PI information closely- I'm not a mesher, the Poser community is terrifying, I'm swamped with work, and I don't have disposable income right now.
So you have my full support, just not the tangible kind. :oops:

Quote from: "PirateBooty"

Eh, I'd give them the benefit of the doubt, simply because of the laziness / ease of use factor.
Most of them are making enough money that dropping $5-10 per mesh is going to be cheaper in time and risk than scouring pirate sites.
That's what, 3 or 4 people if you're buying from Rose?

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: PirateBooty on 2007 January 02, 00:30:36

I'd argue that grabbing files from usenet (via a user-friendly web interface site) is easier than going and paying for meshes.

but you do have a point, if they're making the kind of money we think they are, what's $5-10 every week or so?

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: HystericalParoxysm on 2007 January 02, 11:25:53

I certainly won't deny that it's one hell of a good case for theft when so many meshes over and over and over on three specific sites can be associated with existing Poser hair, with definite similarities. There are a few styles in particular that I cannot imagine were not at least copied from Poser hair, if not outright converted and stolen.

However, I cannot say for my own certainty that they are 100% for sure stolen. If I had the Poser meshes in-hand I could do so, but I don't, so I can't. And without being able to say, "This is stolen from you," I wouldn't go and contact Poser creators.

That's just a personal thing, having dealt with suspected thefts of all kinds of sim content for a while now. I've learned not to say it's stolen till I've had it up in Photoshop or Milkshape to compare the actual pieces with my own eyes.

For what it's worth, I personally believe they are stolen, but that 1% of doubt for not having both to open keeps me from crusading about it. That, and I would rather focus on the positive aspects and leave the crusade to someone who can't convert hair. ;)

We don't have specific plans to contact those who have had things stolen to do conversions of their work. At this point in the game we are converting free work that we already have permissions for, and looking into getting more permissions for more items. We may end up contacting some of the same artists that have had work probably stolen, but only to ask for permission, not to alert them to the possible thefts. Certainly wouldn't shy away from discussing it if they brought it up, but, well... I think we just want to focus on converting hair.

What we convert will be based, well, mainly on what Nouk and I look at and go, "Eee, cute!" as well as what we think would be easy/doable to convert, and what we can get permissions for.

Title: Rose Sims and Paypal
Post by: Soup Parrot on 2007 January 02, 11:41:19

HP like I said at renderosity, if you contact the poser artist that you think had their works stolen, and explain the situation, I'm sure they'd be more than happy to make arrangements to provide you with the files needed so they can be examined. Right now its all speculation, and if I was innocent, and this was being said about me all over, I would feel terrible. They might be original meshes. :) I think the poser Initiative is a great way to clean up educate, and form cooperation, and self policing. I use to do a lot with Poser, most creators are very generous. By pursuing this avenue you would be helping your initiative to. Just think the accusations here, what is being said in all the poser chat of simmers by creators. I think this is a great thing though what your trying to do with the initiative. Dont be shy over in the Poser world :), Your work is top rate, and has been awarded by the community, so proceed with confidence :).

PMBD

The Pirate Ship => ARR! => Topic started by: Lackey on 2006 November 11, 16:45:48