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Title: TREZILLAH!!! How could you do this to me??? Post by: FreeShitOnly on 2007 March 09, 02:08:09 How could you betray thee?
I got this from your site Tre... I GOT THIS FROM YOUR SITE!! WHAT ARE YOU DOING?? http://sims2carsource.net/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=1 Quote Yeah... Well the Donations to Paypal link works once again :D Sorry for the inconvenience guys. I want everyone to keep in mind one thing involving Donations.... Donating to the Carsource isn't a monthly thing. As much as its appreciated, once you donate and are put into the Donator's Group, you wont leave if you dont donate a month later. You will have access to the Donation cars for the rest of time ;) So just to clear any confusion i'm not a huge fan of paysites either, so i figure the least we can do is give the cars as gifts to those who donate, but are not entitled to keep paying to recieve the gifts. Those who already have donated should be able to access the Donator Forum. Thank you, -Tre Zillah But doesnt the bolded still technically make you a PAYSITE TRE??? Insim asks for donations but they dont give special gifts to make up for it TRE :evil: :evil: :!: I feel so betrayed.... asshole. Has he always been pay or am I just slow as hell? Title: TREZILLAH!!! How could you do this to me??? Post by: Doursim on 2007 March 09, 02:24:06 He betrayed himself? perhaps you meant me? or us? or something along those lines...
And yes, content available for exchange of money is still a sale. Regardless of how long your able to access the content, or how much money is exchanged. But that is the closest to "donation incentive" I have ever seen a site come. Title: TREZILLAH!!! How could you do this to me??? Post by: FreeShitOnly on 2007 March 09, 02:25:57 Quote from: "Doursim" He betrayed himself? perhaps you meant me? or us? or something along those lines... And yes, content available for exchange of money is still a sale. Regardless of how long your able to access the content, or how much money is exchanged. But that is the closest to "donation incentive" I have ever seen a site come. Well yeah, he did betray himself too no? :D Thats one serious contridiction he's made... TreIdontLikePaysitesEither... Carry on... Title: TREZILLAH!!! How could you do this to me??? Post by: Doursim on 2007 March 09, 02:35:17 Have you sent him an e-mail or something? Pointing out the error?
Title: TREZILLAH!!! How could you do this to me??? Post by: FreeShitOnly on 2007 March 09, 02:37:09 Quote from: "Doursim" Have you sent him an e-mail or something? Pointing out the error? No, im not proactive, I just like to bitch and moan. It makes me feel superior when I do that. :shock: Of course I did dear. Title: TREZILLAH!!! How could you do this to me??? Post by: missangelica on 2007 March 09, 02:56:04 I didn't even know this site existed. I see that I haven't missed out however because it requires a log in. *sigh* Small sites shouldn't require you to log in to download. >.< Watch their forum get hacked, everyone's email address gets exposed, and given to spammers..
And yes, he is contradicting himself because it is having a pay section on his site and apparently he's against pay sites. ;p Title: TREZILLAH!!! How could you do this to me??? Post by: Doursim on 2007 March 09, 03:26:44 Quote from: "FreeShitOnly" Quote from: "Doursim" Have you sent him an e-mail or something? Pointing out the error? No, im not proactive, I just like to bitch and moan. It makes me feel superior when I do that. :shock: Of course I did dear. You can be sarcastic but most greedy selfish bastards (aka Sims 2 fans) are really like that ;) Title: TREZILLAH!!! How could you do this to me??? Post by: FreeShitOnly on 2007 March 09, 03:53:49 I couldnt agree more Angelica!!
Doursims... Being the educated, mentally functional, non-greedy, non-bastardized sims 2 player that I am, I know the proper protocal for expressing grievances. So, before I came to this community to vent, I emailed him my concerns, as I have been downloading cars from him for ages. Now tell me dear, who are the real greedy bastards? Could it be the creators who give special gifts for sending money? Or the people like me who hate to see a free creator go pay? *think* Title: TREZILLAH!!! How could you do this to me??? Post by: Doursim on 2007 March 09, 05:13:16 Maxis, for planning a stuff pack full of shit already available in the community. Duh.
Title: TREZILLAH!!! How could you do this to me??? Post by: FreeShitOnly on 2007 March 09, 06:40:36 Quote from: "Doursim" Maxis, for planning a stuff pack full of shit already available in the community. Duh. HA!!!!! :lol: Correct answer! LOL Title: TREZILLAH!!! How could you do this to me??? Post by: Tchannie on 2007 March 09, 10:55:34 Quote from: "Doursim" Maxis, for planning a stuff pack full of shit already available in the community. Duh. BRILLIANT answer! Title: TREZILLAH!!! How could you do this to me??? Post by: missangelica on 2007 March 10, 19:26:19 What do you mean? EA Maxis is totally original! Look at our next stuff pack, Celebration! ;)
Title: TREZILLAH!!! How could you do this to me??? Post by: darkangel on 2007 March 11, 17:36:45 I thought our next would be H&M stuff. Seriously. H&M? What's gonna be in there? (Wanna-Be)Emo chic?
Title: TREZILLAH!!! How could you do this to me??? Post by: missangelica on 2007 March 11, 21:15:37 Well, EA Maxis has released information on their website about the next stuff pack, Celebration. It is coming out in April.
Title: TREZILLAH!!! How could you do this to me??? Post by: Tchannie on 2007 March 12, 11:17:34 Quote from: "darkangel" I thought our next would be H&M stuff. Seriously. H&M? What's gonna be in there? (Wanna-Be)Emo chic? H&M rocks! I wish we had one here in Jersey! (Yes, I am basically emo. Sorta. Almost.) Title: TREZILLAH!!! How could you do this to me??? Post by: Lorelei on 2007 March 12, 15:19:13 I think someone debunked the H&M corporation tie-in rumour by clarifying that H & M stood for Hair & Makeup.
Title: TREZILLAH!!! How could you do this to me??? Post by: Tchannie on 2007 March 12, 15:40:10 And a total hair & makeup SP wouldn't be wanted because? Goddess knows their styles suck but they textures are quite good, and the animation's good too! It would make people completely forget buying custom hair if they did.
Title: TREZILLAH!!! How could you do this to me??? Post by: Pyromaniac on 2007 March 12, 16:02:27 Quote from: "Tchân de Bouley" And a total hair & makeup SP wouldn't be wanted because? Goddess knows their styles suck but they textures are quite good, and the animation's good too! It would make people completely forget buying custom hair if they did. Have you even taken one look at the Seasons Hairstyles? Not exactly custom-hair-boycotting material, I assure you. Title: TREZILLAH!!! How could you do this to me??? Post by: Tchannie on 2007 March 12, 17:49:18 I know, they're hideous!!! I ran away from them in horror!!
Title: TREZILLAH!!! How could you do this to me??? Post by: Pyromaniac on 2007 March 13, 04:18:17 Quote from: "Tchân de Bouley" I know, they're hideous!!! I ran away from them in horror!! What pissed me off was how Maxis misled me to believe they would actually look half-decent. I was looking forward to these hairstyles after I caught a glimpse of them in the pre-Seasons video. :P Just naturally gullible, I suppose. Title: TREZILLAH!!! How could you do this to me??? Post by: Lorelei on 2007 March 13, 14:02:41 Quote from: "Tchân de Bouley" And a total hair & makeup SP wouldn't be wanted because? Goddess knows their styles suck but they textures are quite good, and the animation's good too! It would make people completely forget buying custom hair if they did. I'm confused...where did someone say a total hair and makeup SP wouldn't be welcome? I think people would be more likely to buy that than an H&M store SP. Title: TREZILLAH!!! How could you do this to me??? Post by: OneEyedWillie on 2007 March 13, 14:46:50 BLASPHEMY!!!! :shock: You dare to besmirch the SACRED H&M! Of course everyone would run off to buy it :roll:
Although I must say I'm a bit of an H&M whore :oops: I just love that store :P but not for simmies....we got great stuff in the community for that. Title: TREZILLAH!!! How could you do this to me??? Post by: vii on 2007 March 14, 01:55:23 Guys, just to let you know to please take it cool with tre's site, so far, the best car to date ( at least in detail) has been released by Tre and has been released for free.
And Tre has so far used the donation money for a better processor for server, so things runs smoother. Vii. (from s2cs.net) P.S: Tre hates paysites . P.S 2: The car I am talking about, is the phantom, which you should get it btw, owns all. :P Feel free to flame me :P, but not the s2cs :) Title: TREZILLAH!!! How could you do this to me??? Post by: wicked_one on 2007 March 14, 05:40:06 the point is, if you need donations, ask but keep it voluntary, not keep content hostage
once you start keeping content hostage, your site becomes a pay site (and is going against the EULA) and it makes you a hypocrite to say you hate pay sites but you're doing the same thing they are (even if it is on a much smaller scale) If you want to send a gift to a donator thats fine, just dont tell them ahead of time to give them incentive to give you the money in the first place if someone thinks your site is worth a donation you'll get it is he really getting that much traffic that he needs a server? according to his forum stats the most he has had online in one day is 75 people (not online at the same time, just in one day). And that is since he started the forum--which is where all of his downloads are. I can't imagine that he is actually having problems with bandwidth/traffic, but he may be having problems paying for hosting if he chose an expensive host (and/or a small hosting package) If his hosting is too expensive, its his own fault and his problem for not finding (and switching to) better cheaper hosting, especially with all the other site owners sharing their finds for great cheap hosting (sites like FFSS and MSS have links/descriptions of webhosts I believe) hes already gotten more donations this month than most sites get all year and yet they manage to stay afloat (and working fine) :roll: I'm guessing all these people donating to him are either people who know nothing about web hosting choices, or they really wanted whatever he has in his donation area. Title: TREZILLAH!!! How could you do this to me??? Post by: vii on 2007 March 14, 21:04:25 Well, if you want some stats, average opular thread views in the first 2-3 days, if popular thread, let's say, Jared's Estate, which is not even a car download rather a lot, has about 800 views.
Also like I said, the donations used for better processor were even for making even a better processor, for just in case, I didn't say the current one wasn't able to handle that. In anything, there is always room for improvement. Quote If you want to send a gift to a donator thats fine, just dont tell them ahead of time to give them incentive to give you the money in the first place Maybe that's how you may think, but if you know Tre, you know that's not his point, donate for specials objects. It's hard to explain on someway, but consider like if he is saying it in a personal way :P . Well, again, it's your opinion. Just you shouldn't be so judgemental of people. Vii Title: TREZILLAH!!! How could you do this to me??? Post by: Doursim on 2007 March 14, 22:05:54 If we're going to hate paysites, we have to hate all of them. Even ones with otherwise nice, supportive owners.
Title: TREZILLAH!!! How could you do this to me??? Post by: Pyromaniac on 2007 March 15, 01:03:24 Quote from: "Doursim" If we're going to hate paysites, we have to hate all of them. Even ones with otherwise nice, supportive owners. Precisely. A pleasant personality doesn't necessarily mean you have a right to do whatever you please. Title: TREZILLAH!!! How could you do this to me??? Post by: wicked_one on 2007 March 15, 02:25:35 vii apparently you dont understand what i was saying or you dont understand webhosting.
In order for there to be stress on the server or overusage of bandwidth, etc (that would cause his host to tell him to upgrade his package or to pay for a server) there would have to be alot of people on simultaneously trying to download files. I think he's trying to imply he is paying for a server (why else would you be talking about "processors" unless you are using the wrong word?) instead of using shared webhosting, and just based on his visible stats, it doesnt seem like a server is necessary. If his webhost forced him to upgrade to a server, he should have looked elsewhere instead of doing what they said. If he is on shared webhosting and has a small limited amount of bandwidth per month, that is his fault and his problem for not finding a better hosting provider with larger hosting packages available. It shouldnt be that fucking difficult considering how many other site owners here, at MSS, at FFSS, and so many other sims sites have compared their webhosting and shown others where they can get good deals on packages with alot of bandwidth or even unmetered plus tons of webspace. And there's always google. It is completely unnecessary for all those donations in one month unless a) they are all less than $5 each or b) he is saving up to move to another host and pay for a yearly plan in advance. A seems probable but he hasnt said anything to make it sound like hes looking into a better cheaper host and doing a donation drive to help move, which means B is unlikely. I am no expert on webhosting either, but I know that I use about the same amount of bandwidth that he does steadily per month and have the same amount of visitors and I am no where near needing a server. As Dour and Pyro said--It doesnt matter if hes kissing everyones ass while hes asking for donations or if he is a complete jerk--he is holding content hostage for ransom, this makes his site a paysite. Did he send you guys over here to defend him? Because you only registered to post on this thread and you both registered on the same day, as if someone tipped you off to the thread lol Title: TREZILLAH!!! How could you do this to me??? Post by: vii on 2007 March 15, 03:21:04 Site, was down for 7 days exactly because of site using too many resources, so he had to switch to different host, diff plans and all.
Quote Did he send you guys over here to defend him? Because you only registered to post on this thread and you both registered on the same day, as if someone tipped you off to the thread lol geez, you were joking when making this comment right? Because A. There is no topic about this on the board that I am aware of talking about this or asking people to defend site. B. Tre didn't even want me to come here, let alone, he didn't want me to start a flaming or anything. Btw, checking the forum statics by the means it provides, is no way to calculate traffic to site. Also, not trying to make this as a flame thing, but, your site has about 1,700 users, S2CS has about more than 20,000 users. I am also into the idea, that whatever I say, won't proof you wrong, because, well you are deep into your ideology. FYI, I am no Einstein when it comes to webhosting, but I am well above the average user regarding webhosting. Also, stat from the board. Average registrations per day: 132.02 Average page views per day: 13848.47 Now, I don't care if your stats are better or worst than that. But trust me, 13848.47 views per day, plus downloads, is quiet a bit of load on a server. Quote get good deals on packages with alot of bandwidth So popular packages, called over selling. While some good, still, bandwidth doesn't cover server load. And when overselled, chances are they will cut your service for any little thing. Quote even unmetered plus tons of webspace See above messege, just overselling even more, and even riskier than other alternatives. Vii. Title: TREZILLAH!!! How could you do this to me??? Post by: Doursim on 2007 March 15, 03:42:16 Vii, you're missing the point. The point is, this whole forum is anti-paysite. If someone is holding content in exhange for money, that makes them a paysite *by our definition*. We are going to be especially disappointed if someone claims to be anti-paysite and then turns around and does those things.
Asking us to be nice and not care because he's a nice guy, or because he needs money for bandwidth or whatever is fucking pointless. That is the same tired tune that is sung all the time... the same tune that started this anti-paysite movement to begin with. If we are going to hate paysites, we have to hate them all. We can't excuse one and denounce another. It doesn't work like that. Title: TREZILLAH!!! How could you do this to me??? Post by: calalily on 2007 March 15, 07:06:28 Yes, Dour is 100% on the money, as usual. I usually like people when I meet them, and surprise surprise had a few positive interactions with lyriclee. But that doesn't mean that they get to tell everyone else how saintly they are, and how secretly they don't like conning money out of others. And their niceness doesn't excuse them for being moneygrubbing bastards.
Religiosims didn't even get away with "we'll donate half to charity" - I'll donate the lot to charity thanks, keep your stuff. That sort of "understanding they're nice people" stuff just leads to the rest of the paysites having good PR get to know you stuff. Would we let online Nigerian scammers make off with money if they were really nice people? I doubt it. Nor will people on this forum advocate other "really nice people" scamming here. Title: TREZILLAH!!! How could you do this to me??? Post by: wicked_one on 2007 March 15, 07:09:16 I give up trying to talk to brainwashed fangirls--I dont think anyone else is going to get through to her either lol
Edited: removed big post addressing vii Title: TREZILLAH!!! How could you do this to me??? Post by: vii on 2007 March 15, 20:35:33 Quote from: "wicked_one" I give up trying to talk to brainwashed fangirls--I dont think anyone else is going to get through to her either lol Edited: removed big post addressing vii "Fangirl"? I am neither female or fan of anything. Quote Nigerian scammers make off with money if they were really nice people? I doubt it. Nor will people on this forum advocate other "really nice people" scamming here. That's a total different thing, and while I may not be Nigerian or anyone from that part of the world, while I get your point on that, you are not using a good example, as some people might find it offensive. Title: TREZILLAH!!! How could you do this to me??? Post by: Doursim on 2007 March 15, 21:12:07 Just shut the fuck up already. (e.e) You're just arguing for the sake of arguing now. And would someone like to point out to me at what point anyone here ever cared whom they offended???
Title: TREZILLAH!!! How could you do this to me??? Post by: Lorelei on 2007 March 15, 22:21:12 vii, basically God Herself could have a free site with a donation gift and we'd squawk.
You can't repaint your neighbor's car and sell it to your office buddy. Not legally. You can't recolour Maxis stuff or rework Poser (creators') meshes or use Maxis/EA code to enable your totally original crap and then make money off of it, because you are not Maxis, EA, or Poser. The fact that EA is not as aggressive as, say, Disney about stomping copyright infringement and EULA disregard is no reason to deliberately ignore the EULA or Maxis/EA/Poser (creators') copyrights. It's kind of like habitually driving while drunk (GRRR!), or jaywalking, or writing in library books (you FIEND! die!) but not getting caught. You may get away without incident for years, but that doesn't make it legal and/or a good idea. The seriousness of the transgression (or not) is irrelevant. The niceness of the person or site asking for alms is irrelevant. The existence of genuine need is irrelevant. You cannot sell what does not belong to you, legally. Note also that this tends to be paricular to the Sims community. Music group fan circles share tickets and memorabilia freely, other game content creators share custom content freely, etc. Though there are some exceptions, the Sims community is unique in that we as a whole ignored the slippery slope during Sims 1. Now it seems that everyone and their cat wants to make a buck off of everyone else by selling things that are not theirs to sell. When you get promised some goods in exchange for money, that is not a donation, it is a sale. If the site owner had quietly sent donators files in the spirit of sharing, unrelated to any donation amount or lack of donation altogether, that would be different. Title: TREZILLAH!!! How could you do this to me??? Post by: RedLove on 2007 March 15, 22:50:50 Quote from: "Lorelei" vii, basically God Herself could have a free site with a donation gift and we'd squawk. :D I always knew god was a girl. Like Dour said: I think this is just a lost cause. Tre is to Vii what Thomas is to all those TSR assholes. Title: WOOHOO! Post by: FreeShitOnly on 2007 March 15, 23:05:54 This is why I love this phorum. We understand that although people can be "cool" that does not negate the fact that they are betraying their community by giving special "gifts" to people who send him money.
At the risk of repeating what has already been said by my comrades within this movement, this is nothing but hypocrasy. I have the phantom as well as a dozen other FREE cars he's made. I understand the costs of servers. Vii you cannot compare his site to MTS2 or even InSim for that matter because although they may request donations, they do not offer any "gifts" in exchange. That would make them paysites, which they are not. Tre, although i'm sure he's a cool guy, I am absolutely in LOVE with that Dodge Charger, has made a HUGE mistake by betraying his loyal registrants and offering gifts to those that pay for his server costs. I was active on his forum, I was an active downloader, but i'll be damned if I sell myself short for the sake of a god damned gift. Title: TREZILLAH!!! How could you do this to me??? Post by: vii on 2007 March 15, 23:07:14 Quote You can't repaint your neighbor's car and sell it to your office buddy. Not legally. You can't recolour Maxis stuff or rework Poser (creators') meshes or use Maxis/EA code to enable your totally original crap and then make money off of it, because you are not Maxis, EA, or Poser. I agree with that 100%, reason why donation cars, are made 100% from scratch, no meshes or anything from other resources, the cars in donation section= 100% s2cs.net meshes. Also, last time I checked and that I am aware of, if something comes with an extra gift it isn't considerate a sale(the added item) . Even if the psychology of people make it believe like that, it isn't considerate a sale legally fyi. Also, calling God a female when 99.9% of religion that believe that God exist, and that He is Male, is again kind of a disrespect from you guys and gals. Again I add, things I have written here, are my views, not the views of people at the site, not views of Tre, not views of any other member of the staff. Vii. Title: TREZILLAH!!! How could you do this to me??? Post by: FreeShitOnly on 2007 March 15, 23:17:22 Quote from: "vii" Quote You can't repaint your neighbor's car and sell it to your office buddy. Not legally. You can't recolour Maxis stuff or rework Poser (creators') meshes or use Maxis/EA code to enable your totally original crap and then make money off of it, because you are not Maxis, EA, or Poser. I agree with that 100%, reason why donation cars, are made 100% from scratch, no meshes or anything from other resources, the cars in donation section= 100% s2cs.net meshes. Also, last time I checked and that I am aware of, if something comes with an extra gift it isn't considerate a sale(the added item) . Even if the psychology of people make it believe like that, it isn't considerate a sale legally fyi. Also, calling God a female when 99.9% of religion that believe that God exist, and that He is Male, is again kind of a disrespect from you guys and gals. Again I add, things I have written here, are my views, not the views of people at the site, not views of Tre, not views of any other member of the staff. Vii. This is simple mathematics Tre.. er.. vii Donations for gifts = paysite Donations for server costs (no gifts) = Free site Tre is now a paysite. I dont give a shit about having to register for his site, his content is incredible, free registration + free cars = I'm happy. But no. Asking people to help with server costs and offering gifts is web-based prostitution. Consider your "very nice friend" a web-based hoe now dear ;) Title: TREZILLAH!!! How could you do this to me??? Post by: RedLove on 2007 March 15, 23:20:50 Quote Also, last time I checked and that I am aware of, if something comes with an extra gift it isn't considerate a sale(the added item) . Even if the psychology of people make it believe like that, it isn't considerate a sale legally fyi. But can everyone else get that "special gift?" If Tre is only giving it to people who pay then its a sale damnit. Quote Also, calling God a female when 99.9% of religion that believe that God exist, and that He is Male, is again kind of a disrespect from you guys and gals. I have no words... Quote Again I add, things I have written here, are my views, not the views of people at the site, not views of Tre, not views of any other member of the staff. We never said they were the views of anybody else. We are just trying to get you to see that they are slightly distorted...If you choose not to listen to us then thats your fault. Quote But no. Asking people to help with server costs and offering gifts is web-based prostitution. Consider your "very nice friend" a web-based hoe now dear ;) And lord knows we don't need any more hos in this community. One more and I'm going to become a Paysite Pimp. Pimping out all the crazy paysite owners. Title: TREZILLAH!!! How could you do this to me??? Post by: Captain Feathersword on 2007 March 15, 23:40:09 Quote from: "RedLove" Quote Also, calling God a female when 99.9% of religion that believe that God exist, and that He is Male, is again kind of a disrespect from you guys and gals. I have no words... I was going to disagree but then realised my reaction could best be summed up as *point and laugh and the male* vii could obviously do with a heathly dose of the "REAL" Pescado. (Read some old PMBD threads, or even older MATY threads to find the stupid evil bastard.) My reaction to his defence of a paysite is similar (although the male part isn't relevant there). edit: damn it, too many quotes. Title: TREZILLAH!!! How could you do this to me??? Post by: Doursim on 2007 March 16, 00:28:24 Can we lock this thread already? Everyone keeps repeating themselves. Except Vii, who makes ridiculous, though mildly entertaining, comments about irrelevant shit.
Title: TREZILLAH!!! How could you do this to me??? Post by: calalily on 2007 March 16, 05:39:05 Quote That's a total different thing, and while I may not be Nigerian or anyone from that part of the world, while I get your point on that, you are not using a good example, as some people might find it offensive. Why would people find that offensive? What is wrong with you? Nigerian scammers exist, giving sob stories about how they need your money, and so too do sims paysite owners. Feeding starving chilluns and all kinds of other bullshit about why they need you to give them money. And like Nigerian telemarketing scams, lots of people are sucked into supporting them. Quote Also, calling God a female when 99.9% of religion that believe that God exist, and that He is Male, is again kind of a disrespect from you guys and gals. Well, it would be an odd religion that didn't believe that God existed. And as for disrespect - you're disrespectful to all religions telling them what and how they should think - according to you. Title: TREZILLAH!!! How could you do this to me??? Post by: Lorelei on 2007 March 16, 07:19:35 Quote from: "vii" Quote You can't repaint your neighbor's car and sell it to your office buddy. Not legally. You can't recolour Maxis stuff or rework Poser (creators') meshes or use Maxis/EA code to enable your totally original crap and then make money off of it, because you are not Maxis, EA, or Poser. I agree with that 100%, reason why donation cars, are made 100% from scratch, no meshes or anything from other resources, the cars in donation section= 100% s2cs.net meshes. vii's Basic Reading Comprehension Skills = set to "off" Quote Also, calling God a female when 99.9% of religion that believe that God exist, and that He is Male, is again kind of a disrespect from you guys and gals. Please Be Less Stupid, and stop exhibiting 12ness. Thanks! Title: TREZILLAH!!! How could you do this to me??? Post by: wicked_one on 2007 March 16, 10:42:52 well they can't possibly be 100% sims2carsource's because #1 there's something maxis in there otherwise it wouldnt work in our games, and #2 most car meshes (and apparently hair meshes) are taken from other 3D sites and just converted to work in the sims2 game--nothing original about that. I am guessing it would take ages to make a car mesh from absolute scratch (if its possible at all), which would mean lots of time in between updates.
And #3 if they are completely accurate to the original real-life car down to the lines on the seats and the name of the car (again, i dont know since i didnt download anything from there), then that means there is part of the car manufacturer's hard work in there. Unless sims2carsource is coming up with entirely new car designs off the top of their head, making the mesh from scratch, giving it a texture from scratch (no copying a picture), and gave it a one-of-a-kind name, then it can't possibly be close to 100% sims2carsource's (theres no way for it to be 100% due to reason#1) Title: TREZILLAH!!! How could you do this to me??? Post by: vii on 2007 March 17, 00:30:40 Quote if its possible at all) It's possible and we do it for donationc cars. (And yes, it's hard, but it's not impossible. And rather some might take a few weeks, others might take a few months, this things vary. Also, I see how you people like to sound as if you know it all, I take that messege now. First, you were webhosting masters, then, you are experts at 3d stuff. And to add, you probably have a master's degree on civil rights or something, I take that since of the way you post your comments(this is excepted to a few, which while had their own opinions, were smart enough to moderate whatever they said) Title: TREZILLAH!!! How could you do this to me??? Post by: Doursim on 2007 March 17, 01:09:22 You certainly know a lot about meshing yourself, for only being a forum member.
Reasons why your last post was (again *sigh*) ignorant. 1. People here are creators. Meshers, and recolorers alike. *gasp* we know the processes involved, so don't be under the wrong impression that we're just a bunch of downloaders, like you *claim* to be. 2. People here are site owners. We are familiar with the process of not only building but also PURCHASING hosting packages.. 3. There is no such thing as civil rights in a forum. This forum is hosted in Malaysia (I'm sure you never bothered to read that) where child prostitution is legal, so... you can look for civil rights somewhere between a 9 year old girl's thighs. 4. This thread is about Tre being opposed to paysites, yet holding his content for exhange of money. If you arn't here to say "nope, he stopped!" or "yea, it sucks he's a hypocrite" then be quiet. of course, I'm sure you're going to go off on some tangent about how malaysian people are going to be offended by my comments about their own legal system... Title: TREZILLAH!!! How could you do this to me??? Post by: RedLove on 2007 March 17, 01:12:36 Quote from: "vii" Quote if its possible at all) It's possible and we do it for donationc cars. (And yes, it's hard, but it's not impossible. And rather some might take a few weeks, others might take a few months, this things vary. Hmm. Are you tre? Or just one of his *devoted* sheep...I mean forum members? Title: TREZILLAH!!! How could you do this to me??? Post by: vii on 2007 March 17, 07:19:49 Quote Hmm. Are you tre? Or just one of his *devoted* sheep...I mean forum members? Forum member, thats all. Tell you what, I'll stop posting in this thread, I know this is going nowhere, I know my view stands, I know your view stands. So senseless debating over this. Quote 1. People here are creators. Meshers, and recolorers alike. *gasp* we know the processes involved, so don't be under the wrong impression that we're just a bunch of downloaders, like you *claim* to be. 2. People here are site owners. We are familiar with the process of not only building but also PURCHASING hosting packages.. My comment was directed to those that considerate them self gurus with webhosting, meshing, and apparently, some law. Quote of course, I'm sure you're going to go off on some tangent about how malaysian people are going to be offended by my comments about their own legal system... While I am not aware of Malaysia's penal code or law, trust me, if that's the laws that they have, they have a pretty bad penal code. Quote 4. This thread is about Tre being opposed to paysites, yet holding his content for exhange of money. If you arn't here to say "nope, he stopped!" or "yea, it sucks he's a hypocrite" then be quiet. I only got off the main idea when other people were talking about other thing's then that, going into other details, some irrelevant to this thread :) . Just so you know, I got nothing against this forum, actually looks pretty nice, congrats with that :) . Vii Title: TREZILLAH!!! How could you do this to me??? Post by: RedLove on 2007 March 18, 01:12:37 Just a quick little FYI :lol: I understand why Vii is defending Tre so sheep like. (S)he's a chief moderator at his forum O.O Who would have ever guesse?
Title: TREZILLAH!!! How could you do this to me??? Post by: Doursim on 2007 March 18, 01:43:06 I definitly wouldn't have someone who couldn't tell their ass from a wristwatch in an argument moderating in my forum.
Actually, I take that back. If someone was so blindly devoted to me they may make an OK moderator. Title: TREZILLAH!!! How could you do this to me??? Post by: FreeShitOnly on 2007 March 18, 01:51:34 Quote from: "RedLove" Just a quick little FYI :lol: I understand why Vii is defending Tre so sheep like. (S)he's a chief moderator at his forum O.O Who would have ever guesse? Damn.. I just lost 50 bucks.. I had a bet it was Tre... :lol: Title: TREZILLAH!!! How could you do this to me??? Post by: vii on 2007 March 18, 05:36:32 Quote from: "RedLove" Just a quick little FYI :lol: I understand why Vii is defending Tre so sheep like. (S)he's a chief moderator at his forum O.O Who would have ever guesse? I'd also point out that while I am a mod there, I barely visit forum, (still do visit maybe 3 times a week) :) Quote Actually, I take that back. If someone was so blindly devoted to me they may make an OK moderator. I am not devoted to anyone except God. And I don't mix God with games or websites. Btw, just if anybody interested, Audi Q7 is up at forum, and yes, it's free. Even if you hate website, you should download it, pretty nice car. Title: TREZILLAH!!! How could you do this to me??? Post by: Doursim on 2007 March 18, 06:14:17 whoa whoa whoa....
No one here ever said they hated the website. Don't go putting words into peoples mouths. Like I said, this thread is about hypocricy, nothing more. I love the cars. I Just hate that someone would be so anti paysite then turn around and do the same thing. Title: TREZILLAH!!! How could you do this to me??? Post by: vii on 2007 March 18, 23:59:02 Quote from: "Doursim" whoa whoa whoa.... Don't go putting words into peoples mouths. Sorry for that :) . Quote I love the cars. Thank you very much for those comments. Title: TREZILLAH!!! How could you do this to me??? Post by: neriana on 2007 March 19, 04:28:21 Quote from: "vii" Quote from: "RedLove" Actually, I take that back. If someone was so blindly devoted to me they may make an OK moderator. I am not devoted to anyone except God. And I don't mix God with games or websites. Oh really? First, you're Judeo-Christian; there are very few other religions that posit one "God", let alone that have members who throw shitfits over other people calling God "she", let alone who would be so ignorant as to say "99.9%" of other religious people would be offended by calling God "she". Knowing this... What the hell do you think you're doing, not letting God into every aspect of your life? Either you're deeply religious, or you're not. You can't have it both ways. You can't bitch at other peoples' beliefs and at the same time claim to not be applying your beliefs to the very same place in which you are bitching at people. Oh, and if you think calling God "she" is offensive, try this on for size: I am pretty sure there is no god of any kind, and completely certain that every god I've learned about is a complete fiction. Also, you posted at least twice after saying you'd never post here again. Title: TREZILLAH!!! How could you do this to me??? Post by: Xeon_Black on 2007 March 19, 08:03:43 Quote from: "Doursim" This forum is hosted in Malaysia (I'm sure you never bothered to read that) where child prostitution is legal, so... you can look for civil rights somewhere between a 9 year old girl's thighs. Sorry for diverting, but just curious, where did you get that one from? The one about child prostitution being legal. :shock: Title: TREZILLAH!!! How could you do this to me??? Post by: Doursim on 2007 March 19, 15:39:28 http://www.gvnet.com/childprostitution/Malaysia.htm
http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v3/news.php?id=163936 http://www.montrealmirror.com/ARCHIVES/1997/101697/news4.html http://www.crin.org/resources/infodetail.asp?id=12215 those were the first 4 hits on Google when you type in malaysian child prostitution... try searching yourself... child rights, child prositituion, child expolitation... etc. There is LOTS of info on it. Title: TREZILLAH!!! How could you do this to me??? Post by: Pescado on 2007 March 19, 16:06:58 Heh, nothing there actually says this is LEGAL, merely that it happens anyway.
Title: TREZILLAH!!! How could you do this to me??? Post by: darkangel on 2007 March 19, 16:14:07 Quote CHILD PROSTITUTION - Several countries have severe laws making sex with children a serious offense if practiced abroad (even if it is not forbidden by the laws of the foreign country). Singapore has no such laws despite being adjacent to the sex tourism destination of Batam in Indonesia. But nth about Malaysia. Title: TREZILLAH!!! How could you do this to me??? Post by: Doursim on 2007 March 19, 16:34:54 OK, how about I rephrase :) Malaysia, where child prostitution is rampant. Malaysia, where child prositutution is not a punishable offense... how about that.
Also darkangel.... No, basic reading skills are taught by 1st and 3rd grade teachers, not by me. Title: TREZILLAH!!! How could you do this to me??? Post by: Xeon_Black on 2007 March 19, 17:43:57 Again I must apologize for diverting :P
Quote from: "Doursim" OK, how about I rephrase :) Malaysia, where child prostitution is rampant. Malaysia, where child prositutution is not a punishable offense... how about that. Also darkangel.... No, basic reading skills are taught by 1st and 3rd grade teachers, not by me. Child prostitution in Malaysia happens, just as it does in any other countries. I can type out "Child prostitutions in United States" or in whatever country, and I'll get links to the news there. Just the same in this case. Also, how can child prostituion be not a punishable offence when it's not legal in the first place? Before you throw rocks at me for not providing sufficient evidence, here's the link (http://72.14.235.104/search?q=cache:L1pF0j7iBrMJ:www.protectionproject.org/malaysia.doc+child+prostitution+malaysia+illegal&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=14) And in case you're too lazy to read the whole thing, I'll post some of the important points here from there :P Quote In 2002, Malaysia passed the Child Act,42 which provides for protection of children in need.43 The act imposes a punishment of imprisonment for up to 15 years and a fine on anyone who (a) sells, lets for hire, buys, hires, or otherwise disposes of a child for the purpose of prostitution within or outside of Malaysia;44 (b) procures a child for prostitution within or outside of Malaysia;45 (c) brings, takes out of Malaysia, or assists in bringing or taking out of Malaysia by false pretenses, false representation, fraudulent, or deceitful means a child for prostitution;46 (d) brings into Malaysia, receives, or harbors a child, knowing that a child has been procured for purposes of prostitution;47 (e) detains a child in a brothel against the child’s will;48 (f) detains a child in a place against a child’s will with the intent of employing a child in prostitution;49 (g) advertises a child for purposes of prostitution or seeks information for that purpose;50 or (h) attempts to do any of those acts.51 Aiding, abetting, or controlling a prostitution of a child is punishable by imprisonment for up to 3 years, a fine, and whipping of not more than six strokes.52 The same punishment is imposed on anyone who “engages or hires, for any valuable consideration, a child to provide services for that person’s sexual gratification.”53 The act criminalizes participating in the unlawful transfer of possession, custody, or control of a child. Punishment is imprisonment for up to 5 years, a fine, or both.54 The same punishment applies to any person who unlawfully harbors a child “with respect to whom the temporary or permanent possession, custody, or control has been transferred or conferred for valuable consideration by any other person within or outside Malaysia.”55 The act punishes importation of a child by false pretenses by imprisonment for up to 5 years, a fine, or both.56 The same punishment applies to anyone who takes or sends out a child, whether within or outside of Malaysia, without appropriate consent of the person having lawful custody.57 The Women and Girls Protection Act provides for the removal of a woman or girl in prostitution to a “place of refuge,”58 especially if she is “in urgent need of protection as there is reasonable cause to believe that she is being threatened or intimidated for the purpose of prostitution.”59 The act affords the same protection to a trafficked woman who “has been brought into or is to be sent out of Malaysia” for the purpose of prostitution.60 The Women and Girls Protection Act provides that no witness in any proceeding under the act is obliged or permitted to disclose the identity of an informer or the substance of the information received from him or her. Similarly, a witness is not obliged or permitted to state any matter that might lead to the informer’s discovery.61 The constitution states, “No person shall be held in slavery,”62 and “All forms of forced labor are prohibited.”63 Malaysia may not be a very advanced country compared to the West, but please don't make assumptions the country is immorally barbaric. Sure it's not perfect, but it's just like any other countries out there. Title: TREZILLAH!!! How could you do this to me??? Post by: Doursim on 2007 March 20, 04:45:30 I never said that child prostitution was immoral or barbaric. I used child prostition as an argument that there are no "civil rights" on a forum. Vii was trying to argue about some nonesense that he shouldn't have been getting offended over. Basic american-everyones-world-revolves-around-our-own asshatness. I just wanted him to stfu :P
Title: TREZILLAH!!! How could you do this to me??? Post by: Jared on 2007 June 29, 05:59:32 ok seriously People.... I also am a staff member of S2cs (Admin). there are 3 cars on the donation list.... they were made completly by Fox... they are his meshs, he can do what he wants with them..... I hate paysites that make you pay for everything.. but having a site that you just get somthing extra for donating.. why is that so bad? Its an insentive... Most people who play the sims (young people) wont just donate for fun they dont have the money to just give away but if they are getting somthing it makes them more likely to do it. Im not saying that right.... thats how the world works people dont give money for nothing usually... it just doesnt happen.
Title: TREZILLAH!!! How could you do this to me??? Post by: mando on 2007 June 29, 06:40:55 (Psst Jared, check the date of the last post...necromancy is bad, m'kay)
Keeping content locked behind a pay wall is a sale, it wouldn't be fair to treat that site differently just because you feel that they are more virtuous than another site may be. A sale is a sale, and a purchase is a purchase. If incentives are necessary for donations it shouldn't be something that you are not supposed to be selling. A free tshirt with the site name, or a wallpaper for someone's computer, or anything else outside of game usage would all be fine as donation incentives. As soon as you offer CC only after payment, it is a sale and is breaking the EULA. Title: TREZILLAH!!! How could you do this to me??? Post by: Jared on 2007 June 29, 06:46:32 I dont care if my post was late.... Im defending it.
Do you really think Kids and Teens would give the little money they have to a site for nothing or a shirt? What world are you living in? People now want stuff for there money we are just fitting it with the modarn world... you should try it sometime.... it may not be great but thats how it works like it or not. Title: TREZILLAH!!! How could you do this to me??? Post by: mando on 2007 June 29, 06:56:39 Quote from: "Jared" I dont care if my post was late.... Im defending it. Do you really think Kids and Teens would give the little money they have to a site for nothing or a shirt? What world are you living in? People now want stuff for there money we are just fitting it with the modarn world... you should try it sometime.... it may not be great but thats how it works like it or not. Yes, you do need money to survive, however profitting off of something illegal is hardly a goal to shoot for. I do work and work freelance so I am well aware of how difficult it can be to make money, however I also don't expect people to pay me so that I can have a hobby whether others get something out of it or not. If you're only doing this as some kind of bizarre part time job, then I would suggest maybe looking into a slightly less dubious, and much more secure career outside of selling Sims 2 CC. Several people here have also asked, received and given donations without needing to give away anything in return outside of the continuation of their site. Nothing was held back, but people were still kind enough to donate, without expecting anything in return, in order to support sites they enjoyed. If you can't afford to keep your work on the internet on your own you can either post it on one of the larger free Sims 2 sites, ask someone about effective cheap and free hosting (there are several people here who can offer good information about that), or not post your work at all. Edit: Added another point Title: TREZILLAH!!! How could you do this to me??? Post by: Jared on 2007 June 29, 07:01:32 What??
It is not considered selling... Companys give a free gift with an purchase all the time... thats how they bring people in. Thats not illegal! The Meshes on our site were created by our creators that makes it our property... we can give it to donators if we want. Title: TREZILLAH!!! How could you do this to me??? Post by: mando on 2007 June 29, 07:11:53 Quote from: "Jared" What?? It is not considered selling... Companys give a free gift with an purchase all the time... thats how they bring people in. Thats not illegal! The Meshes on our site were created by our creators that makes it our property... we can give it to donators if we want. Check the EULA that you agreed to when you started up the game, it's illegal. Here's the appropriate quote "You may include materials created with the Tools & Materials on your personal noncommercial website for the noncommercial benefit of the fan community for EA's products". "Noncommercial" means not for sale, the analogy you gave above is not correct as you do not own the product you are selling (if you were just selling the textures and mesh you made without using EA's code it would be a different story). Plus, point of advice here, it doesn't really help your argument too much if you refer to yourself as a commercial enterprise in your example. Title: TREZILLAH!!! How could you do this to me??? Post by: Jared on 2007 June 29, 07:18:00 OK so if a charity gives away free donuts to people when they come in and donate that illegal?
Dont think so. This site is fully of people who do not have the skills to reason. You will never shut down our site or other sites stop trying and stop complaining about paysites... get over it.. get a life. Title: TREZILLAH!!! How could you do this to me??? Post by: Broomhilda on 2007 June 29, 07:19:57 Quote from: "Jared" What?? It is not considered selling... Companys give a free gift with an purchase all the time... thats how they bring people in. Thats not illegal! The Meshes on our site were created by our creators that makes it our property... we can give it to donators if we want. WRONG! The second it becomes a .package, it is property of EA. Period. Don't believe me ? Here is the proof. Response (GM Fenris) 05/18/2007 03:47 PM Hello again xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, I can certainly understand your frustration over this issue, as it probably is not always clear whether EA is interested in pursuing these sorts of cases. However, I can assure you that, legally, Electronic Arts owns the rights to all material created from our engine, and that the sharing of said material for free on community sites is completely legal, even if it is material that some players are attempting to sell. If you would like to submit a list of these pay sites, I will be more than happy to pass it on to the EA Legal team to review. Take care, EA Rep Fenris Player Relations Electronic Arts (more proof at this link) http://www.noukiesims2.net/ If you don't like it , go ahead and sue EA. Good luck with that. :wink: Title: TREZILLAH!!! How could you do this to me??? Post by: pixelated on 2007 June 29, 07:20:29 Is it a new paysite-troll? :O
Can I pet it? Can I? *bounces up and down excitedly* All jokes aside though... why can't you paysite people go read old threads? That way, you'd notice that all your arguments have been shot down so far. Every single one. There's just no excuse for what you're doing. Title: TREZILLAH!!! How could you do this to me??? Post by: mando on 2007 June 29, 07:24:28 Quote from: "Jared" OK so if a charity gives away free donuts to people when they come in and donate that illegal? Dont think so. This site is fully of people who do not have the skills to reason. You will never shut down our site or other sites stop trying and stop complaining about paysites... get over it.. get a life. It would be if that charity was calling itself the "Dunkin Donuts" charity, and were not actually part of Dunkin Donuts itself. As for not knowing how to reason, at least I know that an ad hominem argument is a piss poor way to make a point. Title: TREZILLAH!!! How could you do this to me??? Post by: Broomhilda on 2007 June 29, 07:24:47 Pixelated, It would need a brain to do that. The wizard is away at the moment, so it can't get one. :o
Title: TREZILLAH!!! How could you do this to me??? Post by: Jared on 2007 June 29, 07:26:01 We are doing nothing bad.. I dont see what the problem is....We are not technically selling it. Legally it isnot a sale.. it is gift. That would hold up in court of law...
Title: TREZILLAH!!! How could you do this to me??? Post by: Minolia on 2007 June 29, 07:27:15 Quote from: "Jared" OK so if a charity gives away free donuts to people when they come in and donate that illegal? Dont think so. This site is fully of people who do not have the skills to reason. You will never shut down our site or other sites stop trying and stop complaining about paysites... get over it.. get a life. If a charity only gives donuts to people giving them money then they're selling them. Which with the proper documentation is not illegal but it's not a donation. If you know you'll get something in return - it's a sale. And while you may well have made your own meshes the second you put them into .package files they became bound by the EULA and selling them does become illegal. As for lack of reasoning skills you dredged up a topic that had nothing to do with what you wanted to say and you seemingly claim your biggest market is kids and teens who in your opinion expect something for their money. Using my reasoning most kids and teens don't have credit cards or paypal accounts so aren't you chasing after the wrong demographic. Title: TREZILLAH!!! How could you do this to me??? Post by: mando on 2007 June 29, 07:27:49 Quote from: "Jared" We are doing nothing bad.. I dont see what the problem is....We are not technically selling it. Legally it isnot a sale.. it is gift. That would hold up in court of law... Hon, that would not hold up in a court of law, trust me. I'd love to see you give it a go though, let me know when the trial starts. Title: TREZILLAH!!! How could you do this to me??? Post by: Broomhilda on 2007 June 29, 07:29:11 Quote from: "Jared" We are doing nothing bad.. I dont see what the problem is....We are not technically selling it. Legally it isnot a sale.. it is gift. That would hold up in court of law... OH MY GOD,, I can't stop laughing. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: You are just "giving" something EA owns away in exchange for money. :lol: :lol: Title: TREZILLAH!!! How could you do this to me??? Post by: Jared on 2007 June 29, 07:29:36 Using my reasoning most kids and teens don't have credit cards or paypal accounts so aren't you chasing after the wrong demographic.[/quote]
Dont twist my words... i did not say we aim for kids... i said the majority of players of the game are kids and teens Title: TREZILLAH!!! How could you do this to me??? Post by: Jared on 2007 June 29, 07:31:41 Quote from: "mando" Quote from: "Jared" We are doing nothing bad.. I dont see what the problem is....We are not technically selling it. Legally it isnot a sale.. it is gift. That would hold up in court of law... Hon, that would not hold up in a court of law, trust me. I'd love to see you give it a go though, let me know when the trial starts. Yes it would tecnically........ They donate and they have a chance to downlaod free gifts..... they dont have to....they are not buying it, Its that simple. Title: TREZILLAH!!! How could you do this to me??? Post by: Minolia on 2007 June 29, 07:32:39 Quote from: "Jared" Quote Using my reasoning most kids and teens don't have credit cards or paypal accounts so aren't you chasing after the wrong demographic. Dont twist my words... i did not say we aim for kids... i said the majority of players of the game are kids and teens I'm not twisting your words one of the first thing you said was that kids and teens won't "donate" unless they get something in return. I was just replying to your argument. Title: TREZILLAH!!! How could you do this to me??? Post by: keirra on 2007 June 29, 07:33:23 Quote from: "Jared" i said the majority of players of the game are kids and teens I would have to disagree with that statement. Title: TREZILLAH!!! How could you do this to me??? Post by: Jared on 2007 June 29, 07:33:56 Yes, We are not aiming for tehm... they are the people who buy that game and play it.. we cant aim for people who dont play the game
Title: TREZILLAH!!! How could you do this to me??? Post by: mando on 2007 June 29, 07:37:24 Quote from: "Jared" Yes it would tecnically........ They donate and they have a chance to downlaod free gifts..... they dont have to....they are not buying it, Its that simple. There seems to be a disconnect here, maybe you don't understand how finance works. For example, I pay Person A a small sum of cash, Person A then gives me something in return. That is a sale, if you had to pay money to receive it, it was not free. It doesn't matter if the person downloads it or not, if they had to pay money to see or obtain the item it is a sale. As for your early statement about not targetting kids, you wrote: Quote from: "Jared" Do you really think Kids and Teens would give the little money they have to a site for nothing or a shirt? What world are you living in? This strongly implies that the money you receive comes from kids and teens, or that they are the only ones who would buy from you. Best to be careful when writing if that is not what you meant. Title: TREZILLAH!!! How could you do this to me??? Post by: Jojoba on 2007 June 29, 10:27:24 Hmm interesting....
Quote This site is fully of people who do not have the skills to reason I have reasoning skills! :( Well I used to...dont really get a chance to use them here, as most people who come with the opposite viewpoint to my own are just irritating trolls...and I hate trolls. >.< But you are very untrollish Jared, which is a nice change :) Erm you said earlier that your site only has 3 pay items; thats a very small amount to others and is just a few steps away from going free..why dont you try it? Try going free for a month, or something like that, still accept donations - but donations that do not give content in return. Title: TREZILLAH!!! How could you do this to me??? Post by: Ensign EO on 2007 June 29, 12:33:11 "They donate and they have a chance to downlaod free gifts"
"to downlaod free gifts" "free gifts" Free gifts? What is your definition of "gift"? I'm assuming that the downloads are in a forum? And that when a person "donates", they get access to a "donators" section? Is this like TSR? You aren't paying for the files, you're paying to keep the site alive! You don't have to download any of the stuff that can only be downloaded if one has a subscription. You can just donate and continue enjoying the free things, but remember you always have the chance to download your "free gifts"! As long as the items are being held hostage until a person who wants to download the item kicks money your way, you are still a paysite. No matter how you decide to set up your site, subscription or not--it's still a paysite as long as money is required to leave a person's hands for an item. I said it twice, just in case. But I have a feeling it's not enough. Title: TREZILLAH!!! How could you do this to me??? Post by: Hecubus on 2007 June 29, 13:14:31 JARED:
There is ONE principle in action here: EA explicity forbids the the sale of custom content. And if I can't get an item unless I pay for it, that is a sale - no matter WHAT you call it. There are no valid comparisons unless it's someone selling something that's not legally theirs. EA owns the content. Therefore, they don't want YOU to profit from it. Even if the money goes to supporting the site, there is profit in having an item only available for sale. Simple. Now you can have all the donation buttons in the world out there...ask for support as you see fit. That's cool. MTS2, Wicked, Parsimonious, etc...all do this. They sell nothing. Because EA says NO. Title: TREZILLAH!!! How could you do this to me??? Post by: scribble on 2007 June 29, 13:48:26 Im really for free sites. But when the discussion here comes to EA and the EULA, things sometimes tend to be ...a little onesided. What about the other part, the rest of the EULA? My english are so bad so it´s easier for me to post quotations:
kathy (insem): "I am completely bored with all this paysite drama now. I don't pay for it and won't pay for it however this has gotten completely out of hand. Someone, Dr Pixel I believe, pointed out that anyone who has modified the game has broken the EULA and this is true. So in short all sites, free and pay, are screwed. As much as I love or loved this community the last 6 months or so has caused nothing but grief for many people and have caused them to say to hell with this community and for what? Because someone has a pay file? Boo-freaking-hoo. I support free sites, I always have and always will but with this crusade continuing as it is we are pushing a disrespect for all creators, whether they be for free or for pay, and it has become sickening". Dr pixel: "Another point I wanted to bring up is this - Everybody is fond of quoting the part of the Eula which says you can't sell custom content for the game, which it does in fact say. Although to be honest, it would be difficult to prove, legally, that most paysites are in fact selling the "content" as opposed to simply selling access to the site, except those few sites that do charge by the piece. However, everyone convieniently ignores the part of the EULA that says you are not allowed to "disassemble" or "reverse engineer" the game contents. Simply put, this means you can't pick-apart the game files in a hex-=editor or by other means, to see how they are put together. Without doing this, NONE of the game editing tools like SimPE or any of the mesh import/export tools would be possible. Now, like paysites, this is an area that Maxis/EA chooses to look the other way on - but, the truth is that the vast majority of Sims2 sites, whether free, or pay, are in violation of the EULA in one way or another. The only sites that are strictly in compliance would be ones that offered content made using ONLY the Maxis supplied editing tools - meaning clothing, makeup, and hair "skins" for use on original Maxis meshes ONLY (no custom body/hair/accessory meshes), Custom lots using ONLY Maxis made objects (not even user-made recolors of Maxis objects, let alone objects with user-made meshes), and custom walls/floors made using Maxis HomeCrafter. Hacked objects? Custom Careers? New animations? No way! Almost everything you all love to download is in violation of the EULA. Remember that when you ask Maxis to enforce their EULA..." In many ways maybe it´s more decent to say like Marhis, insem. "Who cares about EA rights? I care about my rights, that are not being mocked and conned". http://www.insimenator.net/showthread.php?t=48575&highlight=PAYSITE+THREAD&page=5 Title: TREZILLAH!!! How could you do this to me??? Post by: calalily on 2007 June 29, 14:27:08 I personally don't bother to engage in discussion or debate at insimenator, as they majorly revise things days, weeks, or months afterwards, and the mods have different opinions on what is allowed at any one time. I debated with a mod about something, and for whatever reason about 2 weeks later it was deleted by another mod as off topic. Not to mention that their policy seems to change every week or so, and how they feel about it. Say what you like about s2c, but at least the policy stays consistent.
As far as the EULA, I don't see EA doing a damn thing other than stopping paysites, if they ever do that. They're not going to knock ALL the peices of the board like someone selling up to TSR. And since I doubt there are consistent complaints to the legal department, I don't see why they would attack modders (with ordinary old mods, not controversial ones) or Sim pe. As far as the disrespect to creators - I just plain old disagree. No one has yet attacked Sims 2 Graveyard for their "disrespect" - because there's some modicum of a clue that maybe people want those files. If the creator wanted them there, they would have paid for it. But no, because those creators are missing, or gone, apparently it's fine to "disrespect" their wishes. Title: TREZILLAH!!! How could you do this to me??? Post by: Pescado on 2007 June 29, 15:22:11 Quote from: "scribble" However, everyone convieniently ignores the part of the EULA that says you are not allowed to "disassemble" or "reverse engineer" the game contents. The sections on "dissembly" and "reverse engineering" refer to "the Tool", meaning you're not supposed to break the game down into sourcecode (and then attempt to peddle it). There is no mention of how that line applies to "the materials". It's not really relevant to the creation of thingies. Title: TREZILLAH!!! How could you do this to me??? Post by: scribble on 2007 June 29, 16:23:15 Pescado, thanks for clarifying the "dissembly" and "reverse engineering" thing. So dr Pixel is just talking mumbojumbo then? And I can continue dl from the bothy and feel clean and fine? lol...
Title: TREZILLAH!!! How could you do this to me??? Post by: Zazazu on 2007 June 29, 16:28:37 Quote from: "scribble" Someone, Dr Pixel I believe, pointed out that anyone who has modified the game has broken the EULA and this is true. <truncated> Here's the problem with that statement, and I'll bold the pertinent portion: However, everyone convieniently ignores the part of the EULA that says you are not allowed to "disassemble" or "reverse engineer" the game contents. Simply put, this means you can't pick-apart the game files in a hex-=editor or by other means, to see how they are put together. Without doing this, NONE of the game editing tools like SimPE or any of the mesh import/export tools would be possible. Quote from: "EA EULA" Your right to use Tools & Materials is limited to the license grant above, and you may not otherwise copy, display, distribute, perform, publish, modify, create works from, or use any of the Tools & Materials. Without limiting the preceding sentence, you may not modify, reverse engineer, disassemble, license, transfer, distribute, create works from, or sell the Tool, or use the Tools & Materials to further any commercial or unlawful purpose. There is no portion of the EA EULA that states you cannot disassemble, reverse engineer, or any other term that could possibly refer to modding or creating custom content. It is stated twice that you cannot do so for commercial purposes. It is specifically stated that: Quote You may include materials created with the Tools & Materials on your personal noncommercial website for the noncommercial benefit of the fan community for EA's products So obviously it's ok to create, and it's ok to share. Just not for money.Noticed something else: Quote from: "EULA" Without limiting the foregoing, you may not use the Tools & Materials to promote another product or business, or on any site that operates or promotes a server emulator. Theoretically, then, custom content distributed freely that references a real company is against EA's EULA as well. Hmm.Title: TREZILLAH!!! How could you do this to me??? Post by: calalily on 2007 June 29, 16:34:50 Yes, they recently stated in the contest for H&M that no trademarks and IP of other companies allowed. And I daresay that they pull it off the exchange if they see it too.
Title: TREZILLAH!!! How could you do this to me??? Post by: mando on 2007 June 29, 19:25:30 Thanks Pescado, I know I'd mentioned something along the same lines about reverse engineering in another thread, but you were much clearer than I was, and thanks to kariminger for outling the section entirely.
I've been hearing that argument a lot lately, and as kariminger and Pescado pointed out it's full of hot air. EA is not so stupid as to kill the one thing about the game that keeps people playing it for years, and didn't write the EULA without thinking first of how to make it so that distribution and creation are legal, but also that profitting off of EA's work was not. Edited to add some more content Title: TREZILLAH!!! How could you do this to me??? Post by: AW on 2007 July 20, 23:25:52 Quote from: "Litaddtlover" Ok, so i was reading this and i came across oh say page 6 maybe. Now, i do infact know that i should not bring up old matters, but, I do feel the need to say this... a guy named jared said that people were only donating to this site and infact do not buy the items. Now, in a court of law, you may take a poll, vote if you will, and the majority would in fact say that they pay this site to download things. I also feel it is inappropriate to say people pay to donate, unless you have cancer or some other serious problem, its its drastically wrong to take "donations" from people who are only trying to enjoy an EA game. And I think you need to find another hobby if you are infact charging teens for EA materials. -Thanks :wink: Are you referencing this site as taking donations? I am not exactly sure what you are getting at. Or are you commenting in general? Please clarify because you may be walkin the plank if you don't...quick. Title: TREZILLAH!!! How could you do this to me??? Post by: RedLove on 2007 July 20, 23:29:30 Quote from: "Litaddtlover" Ok, so i was reading this and i came across oh say page 6 maybe. Now, i do infact know that i should not bring up old matters, but, I do feel the need to say this... a guy named jared said that people were only donating to this site and infact do not buy the items. Now, in a court of law, you may take a poll, vote if you will, and the majority would in fact say that they pay this site to download things. I also feel it is inappropriate to say people pay to donate, unless you have cancer or some other serious problem, its its drastically wrong to take "donations" from people who are only trying to enjoy an EA game. And I think you need to find another hobby if you are infact charging teens for EA materials. -Thanks :wink: 1. I don't pay this site a cent and I download all the booty my computer can hold. and 2. I'm not sure if you are for us or against us. You confused me so bad. Title: TREZILLAH!!! How could you do this to me??? Post by: AW on 2007 July 20, 23:31:29 Before he was getting some serious butthurt, I thought I would ask. I was confused too Nii.
Title: TREZILLAH!!! How could you do this to me??? Post by: Captain Feathersword on 2007 July 20, 23:42:19 I think it's on our side.
Quote I also feel it is inappropriate to say people pay to donate, unless you have cancer or some other serious problem, its its drastically wrong to take "donations" from people who are only trying to enjoy an EA game. And I think you need to find another hobby if you are infact charging teens for EA materials. -Thanks :wink: Um, this seems to be the whole "it's a payment not a donation" argument worded incredibly badly. I could be wrong though. Title: TREZILLAH!!! How could you do this to me??? Post by: HideTheRum on 2007 July 21, 00:20:27 Oh, um...I'm staggering in the dark here...better yet, in a let's-split-hair-in-four fog. I think I can see two things clear enough. Jared is right, whoevertheheck he is :lol: The court of law, on the other hand, is high on something I don't want to know about. Fortunately, it does not exist! :D So, erm, yay! I guess?
Now I seriously need rum. Gimme Title: TREZILLAH!!! How could you do this to me??? Post by: AW on 2007 July 21, 01:51:08 Quote from: "HideTheRum" Oh, um...I'm staggering in the dark here...better yet, in a let's-split-hair-in-four fog. I think I can see two things clear enough. Jared is right, whoevertheheck he is :lol: The court of law, on the other hand, is high on something I don't want to know about. Fortunately, it does not exist! :D So, erm, yay! I guess? Now I seriously need rum. Gimme :lol: Uhmmm - thanks for clearing that up for us. Here's some rum for ya, you definitely need it more than me Title: TREZILLAH!!! How could you do this to me??? Post by: mando on 2007 July 21, 03:35:26 Quote from: "Captain Feathersword" I think it's on our side. Quote I also feel it is inappropriate to say people pay to donate, unless you have cancer or some other serious problem, its its drastically wrong to take "donations" from people who are only trying to enjoy an EA game. And I think you need to find another hobby if you are infact charging teens for EA materials. -Thanks :wink: Um, this seems to be the whole "it's a payment not a donation" argument worded incredibly badly. I could be wrong though. From having read it through a couple of times, I believe that Captain Feathersword is correct. It's not entirely clear because the poster seems to have a fondness for using pronouns without indicating beforehand who he/she is actually referring to. The poster appears to be on our side, but could maybe do with a little bit of proofreading before he or she posts the next time. Title: TreZillah......the back stabber??? Post by: vovillia on 2007 July 26, 08:26:15 I really do not understand what the problem is???
So you all think that TreZillah is a Back-Stabbing Prick! And so what if he's poor, and his server service bill is lager than the average phone bill!! It's not like you have to give money to him, all you are missing is a Lambo LP400 and a Bently GT Convertible!!! :x :x And let's not forget some metallic style recolours for many different cars?!?!? Is everyone crazy or something?? I'm poor too you know, I think I am in the red, in the matter of speaking....... Title: Re: TreZillah......the back stabber??? Post by: calalily on 2007 July 26, 09:03:26 Quote from: "vovillia" I really do not understand what the problem is??? The problem is it's a paysite. Quote from: "vovillia" It's not like you have to give money to him We don't - but this isn't the carsource forum, and we don't have to have anyone's permission to talk but Pescado's. Quote from: "vovillia" Is everyone crazy or something?? Do you know where you are? This is Paysites must be destroyed We're interested, funnily enough, in paysites being destroyed. Title: TREZILLAH!!! How could you do this to me??? Post by: vovillia on 2007 July 26, 09:07:19 Yeh I know
You should see the song I wrote about TSR! It's in the TSR must die!! Topic!! Hope u r a NIN fan, or you might not want to even look at it?? Title: TREZILLAH!!! How could you do this to me??? Post by: calalily on 2007 July 26, 09:10:12 Quote from: "vovillia" Yeh I know You should see the song I wrote about TSR! It's in the TSR must die!! Topic!! Hope u r a NIN fan, or you might not want to even look at it?? Perhaps, when you speak like a normal person, I can understand what the fuck you're referring to, and there are no !!!!???? I might. Title: TREZILLAH!!! How could you do this to me??? Post by: vovillia on 2007 July 26, 09:18:23 Sorry..
I said, Are you a Nine Inch Nails Fan!! If you are, you might like the song I wrote that I posted in the TSR Must Die!!!! Topic..... The Song Is About TSR being a dying whore! Title: TREZILLAH!!! How could you do this to me??? Post by: calalily on 2007 July 26, 09:21:14 Quote from: "vovillia" Sorry.. I said, Are you a Nine Inch Nails Fan!! If you are, you might like the song I wrote that I posted in the TSR Must Die!!!! Topic..... The Song Is About TSR being a dying whore! Still too many !!!!! Title: TREZILLAH!!! How could you do this to me??? Post by: vovillia on 2007 July 26, 09:23:54 of what??
Now I think I need to hit my head on something .....the hood of my car..... not hard enough.... Title: TREZILLAH!!! How could you do this to me??? Post by: calalily on 2007 July 26, 09:26:21 Do it sixty times and then come back.
Title: TREZILLAH!!! How could you do this to me??? Post by: vovillia on 2007 July 26, 09:29:58 Ich habe einen........
What the fuck Oh right, I lost count after 80..something.... Title: TREZILLAH!!! How could you do this to me??? Post by: calalily on 2007 July 26, 09:42:22 (http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/1438/yodazb4.png)
Title: TREZILLAH!!! How could you do this to me??? Post by: Hecubus on 2007 July 26, 13:36:29 *Hecubus sits back and watches Calalily, the Master, at work.
:::::golf clap::::: Well played. :D Title: TREZILLAH!!! How could you do this to me??? Post by: Bigtruckgirl on 2007 July 26, 13:41:31 Quote from: "calalily" (http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/1438/yodazb4.png) Oh calalily I had to steal this one, I just HAD to! I bow to the master! ;) Title: TREZILLAH!!! How could you do this to me??? Post by: calalily on 2007 July 26, 13:56:28 Quote from: "Hecubus" *Hecubus sits back and watches Calalily, the Master, at work. :::::golf clap::::: Well played. Bows to the crowd. I are awesome. I give epiphanies. I are awesome. That is all. Quote from: "Bigtruckgirl" Oh calalily I had to steal this one, I just HAD to! That's how I got it - it's destiny is to be stolen. I go through lolcats, lolwalruses and all kinds of sites to get things I want, and save them for my kids to laugh at. Currently I have 769 funny pics on the compy - but there are only a couple that I keep in imageshack permanently to pull out at a moments notice. This be my favourite. Although, almost every single one applies to this guy. (http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/9742/toolpf8.jpg) (http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/7852/1159434782588ho6.jpg) (http://img379.imageshack.us/img379/1333/wrong11cu6.jpg) (http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/7505/internetseriousbusinesskd0.jpg) (http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/1438/yodazb4.png) (http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/1259/chickenjokeii4.gif) (http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/4516/therulessy3.jpg) Title: TREZILLAH!!! How could you do this to me??? Post by: Tchannie on 2007 July 26, 15:00:26 I understood the message.
Quote from: "Litaddtlover" Ok, so i was reading this and i came across oh say page 6 maybe. Now, i do infact know that i should not bring up old matters, but, I do feel the need to say this... a guy named jared said that people were only donating to this site and infact do not buy the items. Now, in a court of law, you may take a poll, vote if you will, and the majority would in fact say that they pay this site to download things. I also feel it is inappropriate to say people pay to donate, unless you have cancer or some other serious problem, its its drastically wrong to take "donations" from people who are only trying to enjoy an EA game. And I think you need to find another hobby if you are infact charging teens for EA materials. -Thanks :wink: Wordy translation in proper English: "I've only just discovered this thread, and I know necromancy is bad but I had to say this: a guy named Jared said people were only donating to the website and not paying for the items themselves. On the contrary; if you were to make a poll on this, or to vote on it, you would see that many more people said they were paying him to download his goods, than people who said they were paying to use the site alone. I feel it's wrong that people say they should pay for something [Cazzy: or a more direct translation is something along the lines of: "it's wrong to use "donating" as a cover-up for "paying""] unless the person in question has something seriously wrong with them, like cancer--it's very wrong to expect money from people who are merely having fun playing a game. I think you should get a new hobby if you expect teenagers to pay for the downloads you make." Did that help at all? And the poster is on our side--she just wasn't that good at explaining how she felt. Vovillia, please shut up. I'm not sure you're aware of A) what you're talking about or B) who you're talking to. Save yourself the effort. Title: TREZILLAH!!! How could you do this to me??? Post by: vovillia on 2007 July 26, 17:52:53 That will probaly be best!
Thanks Captain T-chan! I'll just find somthing else to do......... I'm bored.... |