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From: woes_wee
To: Lizard
Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 11:13 pm
Subject: same thing you are  
Did you get all the files you wanted???
All that yelling and hollering and the whole damn time you are downloading files from here.


What a crock of shit No wonder you ran out the thread You knew Pescado would tell us what you really came here for

You may as well come out the closet now we know you too are a file sharer


Well I got this message today again telling I am downloading the files you took away from others .
Well I have been on your file site and downloaded 2 files , from Reflex to see if all was for real .
Those files I have myself , also checked names and have written to the ones I know that their stuff was for grab.

We had our conversation , I understand that you are not open for reason and all you want is negative atention , ok have fun with that . My idea of good time is different .

I also understand that some of you are kicked out of forums , well I have been kicked out also , so ok , I broke rules so have  to take the shit what come with that . I am not whining or taking others down with that .
You brake rule , you know what follows , if you are for real you take responsible for own action .

Another thing , I am not Liryclee or whatever his/her name is , the reason we have same computer-id is that we live in same place in Holland and so I am sharing same computer -id like you do too with the ones who live xxx kilometers from you . Is not like fingerprint or something .

You all could come to neutral forum say your REAL forum name , like MINE is LIZARD and tell all why you are doing this so people can say what they feel about it .

I have not heard ONE good reason about this action .
Paysites are as long as the game is around and EA never complained about any of that . So why do you care ???
People created stuff and sure, many with EA mesh ...so what ?
Nothing is origional in this world so in a way we all borrow idea's from eachother and some of us make job out of that .
But people put time and effort to create simsstuff and if they ask money for that , it is up to individual to decide to buy or not buy .

I heard argument that "poor"kids could not affort .....hmm well , if mother can affort to buy game , I think she can affort to buy simsfurniture for 3 Euro . And if not , kid hads to learn to wait for birthday or Xmas or whatever , or safe from alowance

What is message you giving ?
When you can't buy it , you steal it .

I will not return to this forum anymore cause all is negative with you .

If you are open for reason and interested in the consequence for your actions and want to hear what others think of that , then again, close the list for awhile , come to neutral ground and hear for yourself if is all good idea , without saying the link to your list or give any information about that .

I don't think you up for that but then again , maybe you have guts .

You can contact me with the emailadress that I used for register if you can take this challenge bút only if you close the list for awhile and not give any info on how to find it  .

Two files, you say? *amused* Gee, the server logs show more like ten. Or is two the new ten?

I wonder what a 'good reason' would be to you. All of the very logical legal reasons have already been outlined, so what do you want? Sanction from not less than five deities? (I'm sure Eris and Loki already approve...)

the reason we have same computer-id is that we live in same place in Holland and so I am sharing same computer -id like you do too with the ones who live xxx kilometers from you

I might not be that computer/internet literate, but surely that's wrong?!

But do you really think we should have to pay for custom content when we have already forked out for the game and it's expansions? To me it just takes the piss, that people think they can make money out of a game that took ages to create and make. And yes I know you're going to come back with "But it took ages for the creators to make their content!" - but what you don't understand is that the people at Maxis/EA are employeed to make this game as a living - people charging for custom content are just a bunch of leeches who do this AND have a full time job as well.

I love the way you're trying to type a phony accent all of a sudden.

And what do you mean with: if mother can buy game, mother can buy donationset of 3 euro?

Do you actually think that it's ok to STEAL some poor kid's allowance? That is more stealing than what happens here on the site you know. Here they are sharing somethings that some people bought, which means they OWN it.

And if you think a mother should hand out her creditcard to some youngster to buy some donationsets, I really hope you're not a mother yourself because you would be doing a crappy job.

Yeah right.  :roll: You'll be back within a few days to batter us again with your nonsense. And download some more booty.

Hooray!

Nice to see you again Lizard.



Not open for reason? Excuse me? You were not reasoning, you were name-calling and shouting. I can appreciate that maybe you were cross, however, if you choose to talk about reasoning, and the consequences of actions, I suggest you get down off your high horse and attempt some understanding and discussion of our side of the subject too.
It is clear that you don't, and have not taken the time to read the documentation and explaination of what is happening here, as you seem fixated on the notion of there being 'stealing' going on, for example.



This is NOT accurate. Maybe paysites have been around as long as The Sims 2, but since the very beginning of the game, I can remember clearly when the first few payfiles came out, and so on. People managed before anyone had the idea of charging, and they continued to do so, and CAN continue to do so.

I also appreciate that English isn't your first language, so I'm not having a go at you over this, but the last few paragraphs of your message make no sense to me, sorry.

thought you were leaving lizard..... or was i imagining that? lol get a life. what are you like 10? grow up and learn that lieing isn't the way to get anything.

I download from this website because I don't have a Paypal account and have no intrest in spending my college fund on fan-made additions to a computer game.

So there you go: My reason.

I admit I PM'd her to bring her back to the scene to get her excuse.
I needed a laugh sorry folks
I wanted her to answer to her downloading files from all those "poor" paysite owners she was speaking up for. i wanted to see if she would come up with something new and original or it would be the same old Hypocritical oaths we have heard before
 :roll:
Yea Checking to see if they were real

or the It is ok to share as long as I hate the owner or
the owner did not pay me  so i will share them
or the owner did not give me my way so i am sharing my log in to their site
 Or the I did it but then realized it was wrong that is a good one Seems No one actually finds it is wrong though till they have All the pay files in their game. Odd Huh how these things always happen after the fact.


All those excuseshave been used to death already
Admit it to yourself you are a file sharer



As far as the You were doing it to let owners know we were here.
 Umm HELLO a little late on that one there sweety?
 They know we are here. How the heck did you find us? Them griping so puhleese another crock if I ever heard it.


As I said Welcome to the world of File Sharing cause call it what you like You became one of us when you dipped your hand in the cookie jar sweetiepie.


I am a bit confused though.
IS it Lyric?
 I did not match IPs heck i never even accused ya of that one that was in your other thread when ya come in acting like an, if i may hijack the term,  Asshat (LOL I like that word)  :lol:

Frankly i could give a darn who you are All I know is that you are a hypocrite and a file sharer err excuse me a File TAKER i am a sharer i share all that i have paid for. Unlike you who just came to gripe and take what ya wanted.
Either way you dipped into the pie so you have no room to speak on what we are doing.

Wee

You don't have the same IP address as LyricLee...also, LyricLee lives the USA...

As far as the banning?  Many members of this site have been banned simply for *mentioning* this site elsewhere, or for having accounts here.

That's a good reason... College students deserve (sp?) free stuff!

Is that where Lyric took all of her toys to? Holland.

Do you think the lizard realizes, apart from everything else, that this isn't some stupid grudge about being banned from a forum, or whatever?

I dunno why Lizard thinks his IP matches Lyric's. It doesn't. Not at all.

Being banned is not a big deal
 I am banned from certain sites and while i have little if any of their Free things. Thanks to all my friends I have all the pay things.  :lol:
What a great Life the life of a file sharer is.  :D

As far as what Lizard realizes I do not think she is realizing much of anything to be honest.  :roll:


I have to laugh at how she wants to be Lyric though.  :lol:  :lol:
Gawd what a role model to have.  :roll:

Wee

Perhaps Lizard wishes they were LyricLee...and also had tight black jeans and a $25 weave....

That's not it at all...We buy our clothes, we buy our food, we bought the computers we're on right now, and the very expensive games and expansions...

We just don't think that paysite owners have a legal right to charge for something that EA legally owns.

The same reason he thinks Lyric lives in Holland?

MY BROTHER DID IT

So Lizard wishes they were LyricLee...and also had tight black jeans and a $25 weave AND were fake-dead and also their own brother?

I think that's it in a nutshell

That's not really what I was saying, but okay.

Besides, I'm still saving for college. Not there yet.

And did EA even say anything about paysites? I don't think so. It doesn't mean they condone or approve of paysites.

A - not really.  Not since the original (ts1) was around anyway.

2 - (yes 2) You haven't really given us ONE good reason to stop.  I don't see EA complaining about what we are doing either.

Filesharing has been around since the days of the original sims 1 as well.  EA has never done a thing about it, so shall we assume they condone it?

I was around the Sims community when Livin Large was announced and I can assure you that paysites were not around then. People had already started to create objects, but no-one started charging till Mall of the Sims. The outrage it was huge. Then they all realised there was money to be made and they all started going pay.

When it comes to Sims2 charging was around before hand. WDS was defentitly charging for clothes before we even had the damn game! Most people were against it then and consedering how quickly this site address had spread, most are quite happy with these items being free.

Same here Lauren, but it was Simfreaks for me, really quality stuff they had (circa House Party), until they charge for it. And the webmistress is kinda snobby too.

Omg your right. I remember them, they were free and hosted a bunch of peoples stuff and it was neat 'cause it made it easy to find things, having it under one roof so to speak. Then all of a sudden you couldn't get in without paying. Last time I was there was the day they started charging 'cause it was stupid back then and its stupid now.

I live comfortably and could pay for what I wanted, but I am big on principle. Charging for time you give freely for a hobby is wrong, and it is a hobby, because unless you are getting a paycheck from EA, you don't have any claims on what you derrived from EA's content.

Min

I don't live comfortably and I can't afford to pay for CC or stuff packs. I'm lucky I have most of the EPs.

I remember the Sims1 sites and how much fun they were..until some started charging.  EA offered up new stuff for FREE all the time, never charged. Now the paysites are everywhere because people got greedy and so has EA in return. Each EP is less and less. Paysites charge more and more.

Many times the CC is crap anyway. Someone pays for it and then they have crap. No return policy. The sites LIE and use the word 'donation' when they mean price. They won't replace items a person can PROVE they paid for but lost in a crash or someting. The paysites say: well buy it again. THAT is theivery! Do you really think those things are RIGHT?

Do you see the modders charging for their mods?? Pescado, Numenor, twojeffs, pinhead, Eric, Squinge, etc etc so many I can't list them all! NO. They give freely! I bet ten to one you used the jump bug fix! And many more, don't you?

Get off your 'oh I'm so moral' high horse and THINK it thru. The PAYSITES are the theives!

It is the sharing of information, ideas and CC that makes the game fun and spontaneous. The paysites are ruining that. Pescado is trying to give it back!

Get the virgin goats ready! Sacrifice time is nigh!

rosebud: SimsFreaks has the nerve to charge per item now for TS2 stuff. I thought that was rather haughty of them since almost no one else does that, you get subscriptions or packs of stuff at other places. Some of the stuff they are putting up is questionable too. They just put up some cats. Um, excuse me but why would I pay for some cat that someone made in the CAS? Even if I wanted too, there's TONS of free ones on the exchange and TSR. :P

minena: I agree with you. Just because someone can afford to put money out, doesn't mean they necessarily should or that they should let themselves get totally ripped off. I see people saying 'Oh I can afford it' or 'Oh it's no different than going to McDonald's or the movies' all the time as their rationale for paying for stuff, but the thing is if none of them did, there would be no pay sites and there will still be custom content. If people stopped eating McDonald's or going to the movies, they wouldn't give it away for free :P But this stuff is a hobby and is only pay because the community is buying it.

sickpuppy: That's a good point that the creators of the various hacks never charge. Honestly, of all the custom content I have Pescado's and TwoJeff's stuff by far modifies and improves my game experience the most and I wouldn't want to play without the phonehack, less whiny, nowhat's this, and a little the hacks that zap stupid annoying wants and socials and such.

Their stuff does a hell of a lot more in your game that some fake ass Krispy Kreme donut box that's decorative only.

Dincer does that too (charge per item), and it's totally lame.

That is totally lame.

I hope paysites become a thing of the past, however I can see popular creators like peggy not changing one bit. She probably won't be hurt much by it either.

Yeah the creators of hacks, the creators of programs that allow you to create CC, the modders who spend hours figuring out how to make your games more awesome don't force you to pay a cent (um, seriously anyway).

And sickpuppy is absolutely right, it is greedy paysites who are ruining the community, not filesharers.  If Retail Sims would have taken a second to think about the situation before flipping out she would have concluded we are probably doing her site more good than harm.  If you are a simmer, who has some cash to spend, you are probably going to spend it somewhere that can give you something in return, and with sites like rosesims offering over 50 ($2.50) donation money just doesn't go far.  If you are a filesharer with cash you have a choice.  You can get the greedy sites stuff for free, take your cash and give back to sites that don't ask for donations, or do so in a way where it's not overdone and you feel they are honestly using the money for the way EA intended it to be used (bandwidth).

OMFG

Lauren, you've caused me to have horrible flashbacks.

I remembered downloading things for TS1, but until this minute I didn't remember my outrage that MoTS went pay. I was devestated- having never been part of a modding community before I'd not realized this was abnormal, just that I loved their stuff and wanted it badly, but was a broke kid making literally $5 a week when they remembered to pay me. Now I've probably solved half my nuroseses thanks to recovering my repressed trauma!

Paysites must die! I'll sue!

*giggles* Sorry!

The only site I ever paid for in S1 was WDS. They had some stunning stuff for Sims1. (the ballet room was divine!) Their Sims2 stuff, sadly is utter shite. As is SimFreaks. (charging per item? The fuck?) Come to think of it, is there really any hughely succesful S1 site that mad the switch? (TSR dosen't count)

I have paid for S2, but it was such an epedemic. I've now cancelled my TSR subscription and have no intention of ever paying again.

I am feeling quite generous today and Surely found this, but I thought everyone would love to visit the forum that Lizard is an Admin at. I have to wonder if he would allow what Pescado has allowed?

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Carolines_Dove_Cote/index.php?http://s10.invisionfree.com/Carolines_Dove_Cote/

YES!! Fuck!! It's all coming back to me now!!! I knew I remembered when the first site went pay, I just couldn't for the life of me remember what it was!! I remember when I first found it, and I was new to the internets, and my grandad had bought me a bootlegged copy of TS1 from, of all places, Malaysia, cos he knew I loved Sim City, and I found MoTS, first Sims site I ever found, when everything was still in its infacy, and was really quite touched and amazed that everything was FREE, and then discovered that all skins (this was before they worked out how to recolour objects) all over the place were FREE, and it was wonderful, and I was so happy, and the internets were a wonderful, beautiful place...........and then..............then MoTS went pay...and I was devestated...and then everything else went pay....and......oh. :(

Also, don't get me started on SimFreaks. In the days of TS1, some, SOME of their stuff was good enough to consider paying for, I never did, but a friend did and we swapped files...but now...it's just a big crock o' shite...:(

<vomits>

Sorry. It'll wash out of the carpet, don't worry. Just needs a scrub and some hot, soapy water.

Anyway, I like cute things (and a lot of non-cute things too). I have pictures of kittens and birds and sickeningly sweet little deformed bunnies, but the header bar turns my stomach!

I look away and think "No, it cannot possibly be that the site is as bad as I believe!" Then I look back, and it is. Perhaps someone should explain what the word 'aesthetics' means. Preferably with a marlinspike.

As a final note, the board's colourscheme is in various shades of dog-turd yellow and brown. And guess who, right at the top of the page, gets credit for the choice of colours? That's right - our dear friend Lizard. I'm not sure if putting the name up there is for people to know who to praise... or to blame.

Wow. I missed that.

*vomits on the same spot travellersside did, out of consideration for only one point of cleaning*

That's....vile. I'm inclined to say the yellow is more a baby-poop shade, rather than a dog-poop shade.
God, once a friend of mine made a forum in that colour scheme. As a fucking JOKE!!

But bless, look, there's even a whole, special forum, for telling your birthday...

I think Lizard was trying to go for a muted colour palette, but failed so very hard.

Also, what in the world is a "cote"?  UrbanDictionary tells me that a cote is
"a crack-induced hallucination that begins a chain of reactions that ends with that person being totally screwed".

Wiki sez!:



...

You know, i think UrbanDictionary's definition may be more valid in this case.

Oh.  I didn't realise it was one word.  That would be the kind of mistake I would make.  Jeez.  :roll:

Either way, I don't see any doves or crack.  I'm disappointed.

But the place is full of doves!

Haven't you read any of the posts? They're all *coo*ing placidly, so what else do you call them?

Admittedly, it's for a given value of 'full', since it seems that there aren't many people who actually hang out there.

It's....sparsely populated by doves? :D

Do you think the Doves know what a meanie pest that their pet Lizard has been?

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Posted: Sep 17 2006, 06:47 PM


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Please do not use this forum to flame others. My motto is if you can't say something nice, then don't say anything. Playing the Sims and all associated with it is supposed to be fun, so let's keep it that way. Also please be mindful that this is a child friendly forum and keep posting and topics sensible.



from the dove cote

Ummmm, member hypocrisy!!! Still, I can see where the Lizard got their ' Playing the Sims and all associated with it is supposed to be fun' mantra from...

*Yawns*  Like watching paint dry.  The sims community hides the SFV and we still have more interesting converstations.  No wonder why she ventured over here, probably board out of her mind.

Sherry, you wrongly assumed Lizard HAD a mind. Don't do that....

Yup, and not even a Dutch accent. I speak dutch and teach English to kids, so I've seen my share of dutchified English. That's more asiatic-a-fied, or some poor attempt at it, anyway.

Well in my defense I didn't assume it was a well equipped one.  :oops:

damn that is funny, I'll never see these on the stupid girly sites
  :lol:

One of the hallmarks of a sock puppet is the puppet always types or spells worse or has a more foreign accent than its master.