PMBD

I was just skimming the "Why do people hate paysites?" thread at S2C, and I found myself getting infuriated at Delphy.  The holes in the discussion where posts have been edited or completely burninated got worse and worse as you went on - some sort of intellectual Swiss cheese!
I've collected all the "holes" from three pages of the thread.  It's rather disturbing in its length, let alone the reasons given.

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-This message has been deleted by Delphy. And now he isn't even bothering to give a reason...
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- This message has been deleted by Delphy. Reason: Adds nothing to the discussion What, is this a speech and debate tournament? WTH?

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-I find it highly ironic to include this post, which didn't get burninated:

HA.
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-And around here the great Delphy himself lowers himself to enter discussion:

"You have to say..." "I am watching what people say here..." GRR the bastard makes me angry. And of course the very next post was a sheep thanking him for bringing order. *sigh*
Back to the list (still on page 5):
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-At this point is something very confusing: Delphy eloquently presents many of the arguments Blue, Surelyfunke, and Pescado had been using.  He makes excellent points.  I agree with what he says.  *shakes head*
-This message has been deleted by Delphy. Reason: Why not just *ask* the site in question instead of cluttering up this thread. He was probably justified in deleting this one, looking at the other posts by this dumbass sheep.
-A post by the afore-mentioned dumbass sheep:

Ugh.  There's another ass-licking at the end of this page (STILL pg. 5!):



Okay, 5 pages is about enough for folks to get the idea.  I just wanted to put things into perspective.  I also wanted to vent to people who WON'T delete my posts or lock this thread (or ban me).  

BTW, the entire 35-page piece of Swiss cheese is still online: http://forums.sims2community.com/showthread.php?t=30984&page=1&pp=25

I was going to respond there, and decided it wasnt worth it at the moment, as he edits everything, so working another avenue. Did you see the link I gave :evil: while he's berating Soup, in another thread they are talking photoshop pirated, and its crack. If you were over at Renderosity and did that they would unsubscribe you so fast, banned for life as its a tos violation.

Yeah, free speech on HIS terms.  Freedom of speech is allowed there as long as it fits his criteria.   :roll:

Same O' Same O'.  Shit never changes.

I do have to add some thoughts as I read through the later parts of the thread (yes, I've been reading the entire thing over the past hours): while Delphy's behavior as a *moderator* of the debate pissed me off, his behavior as a *participant* in the debate was actually quite admirable.  I have to admit it's impressive that he didn't delete any of Exnem's posts, even the ones that blatantly insulted him and his site.  [off topic]Exnem is a flaming asshole!![/off topic]  

*sigh* I don't rescind my comments about Delphy, and my opinion hasn't really changed, but he's evidently got at least a small human side that comes out more when he isn't "on duty" as a mod.  I felt obligated to acknowledge this in case any delphy fans burst out of the woodwork. :roll:

Well maybe by not deleting Exnems insulting posts to him, that was smart of Delphy. It showed everyone what Exnem was like.

I read a lot of the posts before they were deleted, and mostly they were just braindead interpersonal abuse.   With a few exceptions that were intelligent but in danger of taking the whole thing off topic.

The posts that were most beneficial to the anti-paysite cause remained, IMHO.

I'm starting to get that impression based on what I've read in the final pages... along with "Freak", this "DameSporkalot" or whatever the hell her name is is a bloody idiot!  Comparing pay CC to bottled water?  The Geneva Convention (which, as Blue pointed out, she clearly doesn't understand)?  And telling people who fail to connect her faulty logic that they're the dumb ones!

Bleh.  Now I remember why I don't ever visit S2C.

you would think Delphy and them would be anti Paysite, and take a neutral position as moderator not very biased.  8)

I'm sure Delphy is anti-paysite - look at MTS2, for cripe's sake!  Especially compared to the suck-ass suckiness that is TSR.  Regarding my ire at Delphy for his delete-happiness, I guess I'm just pampered by The-Site-That-Must-Not-Be-Named and MATY, where a post about Openlegs Jack can degenerate into a discussion of skullfucking and sexual deviance in fanfic *cringes at memory of thread*.  Yeah for free speech!

I think one reason why Delphy errs on the side of caution re the other side is because of his personal opiniion on paysites and the need to look neutral as mod.

phew! I just finished reading that entire freaking thread.  36 pages!  It is 4:22 AM where I am - damned if I'm not ready to pass out by now.  
It was certainly more illuminating than the last thread I stayed up late reading (I mentioned it earlier... *shudder*)

Iced I did that a couple days ago...then I came over here read till I collapsed  :shock:  now my sleep is all over the place.

Being a moderator in that area, I can see the deleted posts.  ;)

Everything that was deleted in that discussion was either linking to this/the related site, which has been stated quite clearly is not allowed on S2C, or was flaming, inflammatory, or a response to flaming - posts that would not have added to the discussion and would have steered things toward insults, namecalling, or simply would have added very little or nothing to the matter at hand.

While you may enjoy the ability to blast people without limit here, I think the fact that that thread was both allowed to go on, and kept from degenerating into a flamewar has been a great thing for the community.  

It has changed a lot of minds, and the fact that, despite having lots of heated discussion on both sides of the issue, it has remained, on the whole, a civil discussion surprised the heck out of me, and I'm darn glad it's been allowed to continue.  It has brought up a lot of topics that needed saying, and inspired the Poser Initiative to get started, which will be a great and positive thing for the community.  I can't say it has changed my mind -entirely- but I think myself and others are one heck of a lot less pleased with paysites in general (especially after seeing the way some major paysite owners think of the community), and I think it's about time some minds started a-changin'.

You may not like being able to see the flames and grumpities, but the fact that they were deleted allowed that thread to continue peacefully... And at the end of the day, S2C is Delphy's site and he can do as he pleases.  ;)

I was gonna say that most of the deleted posts were not useful to the discussion, but then teadrinker and HP beat me to it.

In that thread, Delphy has been pretty good.  I've read other threads where he makes me wanna knock him on the skull lol.

I know he's anti-paysite, but it doesn't make him pro-filesharing, if you can see the distinction.

It's a position which leads to completely ineffectual fence-sitting, the position of someone unwilling to make a stand.

I don't think it's a matter of fence-sitting.  One can believe paysites are a detriment to the community while not supporting filesharing.

While I have changed my mind quite a bit on paysites and would greatly prefer the community turn back to all free content, I'd prefer to see it done through positive works that make it so the player base doesn't feel they need to pay for content when they can get plenty of good stuff for free.  

While filesharing may result in paysite owners throwing fits and taking their ball and going home, I'd rather see their mind changed through hugs and candy and showing them that it should be done for the love of creation, rather than greed - and that the community will no longer accept paysites.  Idealist and unrealistic, I know, but I like this rose-coloured world I live in.  It's pretty, and all the boys wear Enayla skins and eyeliner.

Yes, but this is a position that doesn't lend itself to effective action. It's like encouraging gun control while asking for less crime.


Yes, but do I look like a positive person to you? Do I look like the type of person to rely on "positive" solutions, I.E., cross your fingers, bury your head in the sand, and hope it goes away? Is that even the sort of thing that motivates me? No, I am a hostile person. When I am pushed into action, it will invariably be because something has pissed me off, and my response will thus be suitably hostile.


Yes, but this doesn't entertain me as much. Where's the "crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women"?


I like rose-colored worlds also, but when my world is rose-colored, it is so because it is DRENCHED IN THE BLOOD OF MY ENEMIES! I want to see BLOOD! I want to BATHE in their blood! I want to bathe in their blood FOR A WEEK! Now, KILL THEM ALL!

I think this has needed a many-pronged approach.  While not personally agreeing with or participating in non-voluntary filesharing, I have to recognise the open and public way this has been carried out has certainly been a catalyst to getting it discussed by people who would not otherwise have given it much thought, or who might have been afraid to discuss it.

Same applies to some of the nastier, more personal threads.  It's something I try not to do myself, and mostly those threads don't stay around long enough to develop into anything useful themselves, but they provoke thought in people who might not have the concentration span to manage something like the one on S2C.

At the end of the day the actual decrease in paysites will come about as the direct result of one thing only - decrease in people willing to pay.  And different people will need different types of reasons not to pay.

Didn't you once have an avatar on MTS2 stating "0 Nice Points"? ;)

That will happen about the time the community is populated solely with obsequent people who are willing to believe whatever sunshine and flowers message someone shoots at them. Until then, along with the obsequent and nice we'll have to deal with people who are all sorts of mixes of mean, greedy, stubborn, egotistical, untruthful, willingly ignorant, hypocritical, and contrary - as teadrinker said, everyone is going to need a different reason, just like everyone has different reasons for creating.

Some people will jump on any bandwagon as long as it's against the percieved majority, some will listen to well reasoned arguments with proof provided, other folks are going to need to be thumbscrewed with legal proof of just how they're wrong.

At any rate, open discourse is key to covering those bases.

I take any opportunity in any thread that I am replying to, to add links and info as long as it is relevent to the discussion in hand.

When opportunity knocks, take every liberty.

Well, I never claimed my approach was necessarily the only way to do it, just a lot more pleasant than pissing people off.  I would have hoped the tone of my post would have made it clear I wasn't entirely serious believing that positive forces for change would do it by itself, but I think sometimes the thieves' guild forgets that you can do good stuff and make a change that way, too.  ;)

And no, Pescado, I wasn't expecting you to be nice.  I've dealt with you enough to realize that flowers are never going to sprout out of your butt, and that hostility is the way you do things.  I don't always agree with you, but you occasionally make me fall out of my chair laughing... However, I still think you're a chick.  Only a woman would have the drive to be this crazy over pixel dollies.  :)

Yes, Renatus, I did have an avatar like that... and my user title on S2C is currently "Sacrifices Children to Dark Powers" as a reference to part of my Queen of Evil contest entry, in which my Countess sacrifices a sim-child to, err, a demon-thing, in exchange for spooky power or... something.  

I flip wildly from being pissed off and angry at the world to wanting to hug it and give it a puppy.  I blame my uterus.

I choose to try to decrease the amount of people willing to pay by showing them the shoddiness of pay hair, and trying to get together a group of folks, myself included, to offer them a quality free alternative.

Also, we've got pie.  You like pie, don't you?  :D

Nice to see another fan.  You should also tell them to contemplate their treatment on "the tree of woe".

I do think that something very oppositional has to be done, as there seems to be little actual discussion about paysites generally. And I do think that most of the rhetoric at the larger sites - particularly the free ones - really makes the new sims fan think that they should shun the practice of critisizing those who charge (I know I did, and have seen many say "oh now I see the light).  Often however, they've already paid for a couple of subscriptions anyway.

And so now for a little bombing Exnem (http://paysites.mustbedestroyed.org/booty/exnem)
Exnem (http://paysites.mustbedestroyed.org/booty/exnem)
Exnem (http://paysites.mustbedestroyed.org/booty/exnem)

I don't believe that there's only one way to slow down the evil paysites(I'm not quite deluded enough to believe that we'll ever stop paysites, only EA can do that), so however people to choose to do that is good with me.  If this Poser Initiative actually takes off, I'd be really glad about it.

Except I think personally attacking others is a little distastful, so I choose not to participate in that for the most part.  There's better ways to go about it.

Dude, you're so in the wrong century!

LOL He needs a spaceship now!

Yeah. Simshost will give him a discount.

The pleasant approach is good for educating those who are on the fence, or just don't understand what the problem is. These people will usually be put off by the aggressive approach, leading to "They just want everything for free."
The problem is, paysite owners don't play fair. The pleasant can't do more than shake a finger at them, and a fist at EA.

The aggressive approach is good for combat. Paysites thrive by abusing the donation loophole, so it's only fair turnabout that they bleed customers via the free distribution loophole.
Words won't phase them, but stab them in the wallet...

Both are equally important. The pleasant won't win the war, the aggressive can't reach those who want to hold to ideals.

There's no rule that someone can't be both pleasant and aggressive.  I am both, I think.

Yes, pleasantly aggressive  :lol:

Or aggressively pleasant.   No, that's Gali lol!

OT- I fucking *LOVE* you Pescado!! You make me laugh to no end!! :) ok now back to y'alls regularly scheduled topic!! :)

Of course, and all shades in between. I just meant those as approaches, not rigid personality types.

I do both myself, depending on how I judge the person arguing. It probably doesn't show up well here, since the majority of paysite supporters who come to these boards are in combat mode themselves, or have entitlement issues that can't be worked around.

And for the record, I personally don't think it's nice to share someone's work without their permission, but I do think it's appropriate to do so when they're in the wrong.
Especially when they're claiming someone else's meshes and textures, but want their "rights" respected.

I'll stop violating their TOS as soon as they stop violating the EULA.

See, the reason I share content isn't for some noble purpose, really.  I figure if I buy it, then I can share it. *shrug*  It's got nothing to do with EULA's for me.

There is no freedom of speech on a private website. That's something a lot of you need to learn.

Anyway, I'll share payfiles as long as there are paysites.

And that's just as valid as my reason, and both are just as valid as "I won't share anything, because that's stooping to their level."  :D

When the community has to police itself in the absence of the developer, you can only do what you feel is the most right.
There won't be a true right until there's an answer.

Yes. If Pescado said no one could talk about strawberries because he breaks out in hives when he reads the word, he can enforce that any way he pleases.
Your house, your rules.

When Delphy censors opinions (not moderates for insults or true derails), that's shitty and hypocritical- but it's not illegal.

Yes, yes, I'm fully aware that it's Delphy's website and he can do whatever the hell he wants and silence whomever he pleases.  I'm not an idiot.  That doesn't make it out of line to be irritated with excessive censoring, regardless of legality.


Exactly my point.  You said it better than I just did lol.

I agree but the thread was started referencing delphy and free speech - of which there is none. Had it been a rant about delphy and his retarded censoring, that's a different story.

My 2 cents about censoring and all that stuff.

When you are a forum admin (or even moderator), you have a specific role, so to speak you wear a uniform. A good admin/moderator, usually tries to keep separated "as an admin" and "as a person" actions and thoughts: this is very, very important, probabily the most important rule in community administration.

Honestly, I find that thread administered very well, and not by Delphy only, despite of many deleted posts and such.
As a normal user and poster, I think I would be disappointed, if one of my posts got deleted for any reason - it's normal, anybody thinks that his/her words are important, but an admin/mod has to focus on the whole result of the thread, and very often you have to cut some parts, for a better whole result.

So, I do not call that a censorship: to me, censorship raise when an admin/mod puts his/her personal feelings upon forum rules and common sense. This should be an abuse of their power tools.

As an example, I'm much more disappointed for that single Inge's post deleted on Insimenator, than 5678768 posts deleted by Delphy on that thread on MTS2, because I have the feeling that in this case beosbebox hasn't acted as a good admin, but was pushed by personal reasons only.

In any case, I don't know beosbebox and Delphy as well, and I may be very wrong: but it's the overall behavior of people that counts the most, and I hang out in this community for too less time to know better.

If a moderator or site owner disapproves of a poster, I believe Pescado's approach is best. Either lock the thread or exile them to Retardoland. Deletion of posts is anal, even if they are off topic. If the topic is important, it will re-rail itself.

No shit.  I am not a complete retard.  He can do whatever he wants with his site.  I got that.

I have always hated the way his forums and others have been moderated.  Most of the stuff they delete is harmless. It looks bad when you see that 10 replies have been deleted in a thread.  It wasn't that what they were saying was violating the terms of the site, although a few were.  It's that they nit pick and delete posts because it's OT or other lame reasons.  

That is one of the reasons I refuse to post in forums like that.  It gets old real quick and why bother posting when half of the time your posts will just get deleted because they just feel like it.

Deletions of posts that do not violate the terms of the site is screwed up, in my opinion.  I get sick of forum Nazi's bitching about OT posts.  They need get their panties out of bunch and lighten up a bit.

I've never seen a very well run forum that deleted its posts, for all it's worth.  (Aside from spambots, which is another issue.)

Did anyone notice this little tidbit buried in the thread so deeply and said so asidely that it slipped past me on first reading?

http://forums.sims2community.com/showthread.php?t=30984&page=5&pp=25

Melanie:

 
If EA thinks ignoring paysites will help them, they're sadly mistaken. It is true that custom content is very often of better quality than anything EA produces, and if this is common, then paysites are actually dragging business away from the game (politically, it is presumed that if one person vocalises something, 100 more are thinking it). People only have so much money.

EA either needs to get better at content, or deal with the sites. Or both. Yeah, my money's on both.  :D

No kidding lots of people feel that way. Especially when the stuff packs are 50% loaded with floors and wallpapers that there are gillion of on the web free. I just wrote a long post to mystery on the BBS and was mentioning this, after posting, my post vanished :(. i made some good points too.

Inge's post wasn't the only one deleted. There were at least four (if we're talking about the same thread re exnem's site), 2 from Inge, 1 or 2 from a user I didn't recognise and mine. Of course... it is 2.30 in the a/m here and I'm not entirely sure who everyone is yet even when I am mostly awake...

At least when Delphy wants to say something's bullshit, he does it publicly and with full explanation as to what he means by it rather than sending a snide cowardly pm. :)

Well see, there's these things called site rules made by Delphy himself. He appoints moderators to uphold those site rules, of which certain posts get deleted. Therefore they are doing their job, doubtful that they delete stuff "because they feel like it" or have their panties in a wad. To be fair, it's Delphy's rules and way of running the forum you should have issues with rather than the mods who are just doing as told.

IMO, I like a thread to stay on topic especailly when it is about a sim problem. (I admit I'm just as guilty as anyone else of dragging one off topic....) Some of the threads here, for instance, drive me a bit batty because they often melt into a moronic banter between several of the 'regulars' (forum flys? :) lol I'm one!) but gotta take the good with the bad and this site is very good about not censoring or cattering to the G-rated population. JM is steady and mature and funny. None better to run a site. Ditto for Bluesoup.

What I hate most about Delphy is he blows with the wind and may or may not 'be cool' on any given day so your posts may or may not be edited or deleted according to his latest mood and what he's told his droogies. That mixed with droogies having power like Lyriclee did just sucks. Delphy did nothing about her for too long. I have no doubt that he will find another like her, just a matter of time.

I must say tho, that overall Delphy has, whatever his hidden agenda, done quite a lot for the community and he deserves accolades. But I have a personal grudge against him since I found myself a victim of his 'moody mercy' for too long to forget it.

I don't accept the "only doing their job" argument for voluntary moderators.   If they didn't agree with what they were asked to do, or the way they were meant to do it, why would they be doing it?

I don't see anything hugely objectionable in the rules. It's not there are illegal goings on.

There's nothing wrong with MTS2 as it is now.  But whatever is wrong with the moderation of any site is freely entered into by the moderators involved regardless of whose idea the rule was.

I agree with you. I like the fact that we can pretty much say anything we want and state our opinions like ADULTS (most of the time anyway). Pescado can be obnoxious as hell but that's what I like bout his online personality. BlueSoup is cool as hell from what I've seen. I'm glad they made this forum and site. :) There is SOME stuff I could do without, but like you said take the good with the bad!!

Yeah, my post was one of those many that got deleted by that tyrant with a statement telling me to stay on topic.. I was on topic. He just didn't like what I said.    

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What? Give me a freakin break!!  Humph! since when has there ever been a human with superior knowledge.. Since when did he put himself upon a pedestol to be warshiped?  I bow to no human.





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Shouldn't that have been deleted by Delphy? It adds nothing to the topic or conversation............

LOL I think that was the post that prompted me to call them an ass-kisser. :P

Of course that got deleted.

But apparently the ass-kissing itself didn't. :roll:

It's funny how he'll delete stuff that isn't up to his "standards" for being off topic!! But if you're suckin his ass, that's COMPLETELY got EVERYTHING to do with a topic about paysites.....

Okay so there's nothing wrong with it.

Theres nothing wrong with anyplace as long as you just download, and lurk, dont post in the forum, and just go play. Simdom is then akin to Disneyland.

Alright, alright, I changed the name of the thread.  Apparently the sarcasm went over some people's heads or something, since I never thought Delphy had any obligation to honor free speech.

sheesh :roll:

I like your title change for the thread, Iced. I bet delphy isnt having much fun right now look like Mts2 still out.

yeah, I'm feeling a little sorry for delphy right now; I noticed earlier that there are some major problems in the new system.  Example: you can't look at a single creator's downloads anymore.  Every link on their profile takes you to the download page  :?

True. That's what I had been doing all along and I missed all the drama.

Torq I only found this by chance. Christmas is difficult for me. I was up all night reading through the forum, it was like wow, I've been missing a lot. And it helped me get through another holiday 8)

Sure you can, just not as straightforward now. There's a link under the different pic of catagories...I think it's labeled 'all downloads', or something like that, click it and it gives you just that creators stuff.

I tried that and it took me to all downloads, it didn't filter for only that creator.

Hm. I haven't been there since.....3 days ago to look at Dls. Maybe it's changed since then? Maybe I have the label wrong. I'll go look....

If you search on a creators name and go to their page, then click on "show all downloads" it shows only the creators you've searched on. Just did it. HP's stuff. I wasn't logged in, maybe that is making the difference?

I did that for Justmoi, and it went to downloads that didn't belong to them.  I finally gave up because the site was so damn slow anyway.

I changed the thread title.  No question mark now, Piratebooty *is* happy. :P

It was pretty slow. You should try again later. I think I'll go back and log in and see what happens.....

Ok. It worked. Logged or logged out, this time I tried Justmoi's stuff, clicked on show all downloads and that's what it did., only justmoi's right to the last page. ?

Actually, in the little banner down the side, half way down in the downloads section, there is a search box for downloads by creator - that should take you to where you want to go fairly easily.

LOL! Glad to hear it.

EDIT: Calalily's right... the creator downloads fxn is back up.  Methinks that's part of what Delphy took MTS2 offline to fix.

I was going to put this on a separate thread, but seince this is related to Delphy and MTs2. What everyone think, paying to access for faster server, is that a paysite when that plan is implemanted? Or a grey area? I was thinking of File Planet, when you DL you get options etc free or subscription. You can read Delphy's latest plan here:
http://www.modthesims2.com/showthread.php?t=214056

I wouldn't consider it Paysite-ish. The files are still very much available to everyone, donaters just get a bit of a perk for their cash troubles, I think that's fair. After all, we're not all hippies and communists...:D

*Typically* the people with less money to spare have the more time to spare waiting for slower servers.  I know there are exceptions.

I say that allowing people who donate access to the faster servers is pretty different than restricting access to content to those who don't pay. The content is still there for everyone, it's just a bit of a pain in the ass sometimes to get it. Downloading during non-peak hours does help a lot, when one can arrange it.

Well, the first day the new fileserver was introduced, there was absolutely no speed difference.

However, now, there's a huge one!  It is way faster to download stuff.  Which is good because I tend to go on sprees.  :oops:

It's not just slow anymore, things aren't downloadable at all. All I get is a bunch of errors. But that's okay, I need to cut back on downloading anyway. My computer hates me.

It could be that you are running into the peak hour problem. I'm at GMT+2 and I have the least trouble with downloads in the morning and early, early afternoons. Everything gets extremely slow after that as people come home from work and the Western Hemisphere starts waking up.

Not that it isn't ridiculously slow right now as it is. Children should be going back to school starting tomorrow, so perhaps it'll be a little better then.

Note over there 3000 on site. Maybe a bunch of people unsubscribed from pay sites...Seriously, I'm sure its the kiddies, and all the people that got sims during the holidays, making server traffic high.

I'm in the same timezone as you. Thanks for the tip. I actually managed to download a few things just a few minutes ago. After a long wait of the file starting to download, of course.

I agree, there's no real big difference, users are not really splitted in "super" and "regular".
On some fileservers is slightly different: sometimes you have very long time to wait, or a limited number of downloads. These are sensible limitations.

I don't know if I'm particularly lucky, but MTS2 system difference is a matter of seconds, at most.

is this new change supposed to effect those that are currently "supporters" or those that supported in the past too?
If it were just rewarding new donators I can see why some people would be upset by it and think that its paysite-ish, since new donators are probably only donating for the perks (especially the faster server perk).
But if people who used to donate but no longer do are also getting access to the faster server, I think its a nice way to reward those that thought mts2 was worth donating to and actually donated because they wanted to not because they wanted perks (even if it was a year ago when they donated last)

I'm a past donater over there. Not sure how long ago, but it's been at least months since I forked over cash to any Sims site. Since I ran into the problems with acquiring a new cookie that would allow me download access that others were experiencing (kinda random what I could and couldn't access last I tried), I'm guessing I've been switched over to the new server. Also still have that little icon thingie that donaters get. Once a donater, always a donater?

It's only valid for current supporters.  And it's way faster.  I donated to MTS2 before this went into effect, and now it's like an extra incentive to continue.  Plus, I am all about supporting free sites where I can.  It being a site I actually use is a bonus. :)

People without pocket money to spare are able to get the files, they just have to wait.

People with the money to spend will pay for perks, and thus support free downloading for everyone.

It's only "paysite-ish" to people who think you should never have to pay for anything.
What would be wrong with "only donating for perks" anyway? MTS is selling something it actually owns- the legitimate version of "we're only charging for a service."

Until files get locked off, it's not a paysite.

I've never paid any money over there, but I also have access to the new server because of the "moomoo" and "featured" status. I must say, it is kind of nice to have a perk based on hard work rather than just money. No, not everyone who recolours a couch and uploads it has access to the new server, but really, just about everyone who creates consistently well and uploads over there has a pretty good likelihood of getting on the new server.

Don't know if you all have seen this but it looks like Delphy isn't sitting so much on the fence here in this year's statement....

http://www.modthesims2.com/showthread.php?t=214586

Your reward was well deserved :), beautiful skins and all :). My sims love you. I got Bluesoups great pictures too.  :lol:


I think Delphy saw that people want paysites gone, and MTS2 being the largest free site sets the community precedent (probably misspelled), so he's going to work on enriching the the community by going in more new directions that are positive :). I liked what he wrote :).

how much do you have to donate to be able to download faster?

$5/month is the minimum donation amount.

so to stay on the perk list you have to donate every month?   :(

Yep.

delpy can go suck a rock

You want Delphy to get more calcium  :?:

Clearly, Karu is thinking only of the potential benefits to Delphy's teeth and bones. Which I think is lovely. *smirk*

Also, I'm non-donating scum, and have had no download speed problems from MTS2, but then, I'm on a pretty fast connection.

Have not donated either.. might do so in the future, but besides all that I have never had a problem downloading from MTS2 unless the site is down.

It's my favourite download site of all... since the beginning.

It's pretty quick for me too.
I liked what he said. It was extremely well worded. I agreed with half the things he said...
Yep, no donating for me...ever again.
Normally I love MTS2 but I haven't been on in about a week...I used to be daily, since I first discovered it in 2005.