PMBD

Sshodan has updated her journal, and is apparently leaving the Sims community.

http://www.modthesims2.com/member/journal.php?do=showjournal&j=67

Of course poor old Pescado gets another kick, but the underwhelming response is  :roll: meh...

What was the problem?  Her meshes were only for men?

It's probably just an excuse to become an FA at TSR

Good.  Her hair was only coveted because it was so hard to get (the female hair) and now that it's gotten, it's like Meh.

She should get a life if that really bugs her that people are quietly converting and sharing her stuff.

So let me get this straight. She's leaving, because someone put her male hair meshes on female Sims. And sent her a nasty comment about it.

And the commenter people are blaming Pescado?

Am I missing something?

She might have been a good recruit to the Poser Initiative.

She was always so in everyone's face about not converting her meshes to female. I like her meshes and they were at least done by her completely. I just didn't understand her rationale at all or why it got to her so much. If you have to maintain that level of control, you shouldn't put your stuff out on the internet.

Pescado didn't have anything to do with the gender refits.

I reckon I must miss half of every story by not being in chat.  Who told her and why, and is this site connected with it *in any way at all* ?

I am not sure people with heavy possessiveness and control problems would be an asset to the initiative.  The last thing we want is for it just to be another set of meshes no one can make what they want out of.

Another creator behaving like a spoilt child. :roll:

She can make her decision to leave, sure.  That's her business.  But did she really have to say it so petulantly?

Did she really have to throw a tantrum about gender conversion in the first place?

*sighs*

* BlueSoup plans to comment in her journal. :P

I doubt that. She's apparently overdramatic and foot-stompy when she isn't paid attention to, and she's not a very good mesher. She makes her meshes needlessly complicated - it doesn't seem like she can visualize any way to 'fool the eye' so she can reduce the amount of mesh parts or the poly count, and she seems to get worse about it with every successive mesh.

I notice she deleted/hid my comment to her where I asked her how, exactly, gender refits were hurting her, as well as a few others. Obviously I shouldn't have bothered being polite to the whiny child.

Apparently some person named Frivolous told her someone on SFV (not this site, we had nothing to do with it, for once) had converted her male hairs to female and shared them there with the members there.  It was a pretty quiet thing, I didn't even know about it lol.  So this person, for whatever reason, did it solely to piss her off and it worked.

As for the blame being placed on Pescado, read the replies further down the page to her hissy fit - and also her defence of her actions.  

Hell, the jerk even thinks that Pescado is an Ethopian adoptive child   :twisted:

I definitely saw this one coming.  "OH NOES PPL R CONVERTING MY PRECIOUS MALE HAIRZ 4 WOMENZ!!!  NOT ALLOWED!!!!!! I QUIT!!!!!!!"

Her (buuuh, is Sshodan a he or a she?) meshes aren't that great anyway, IMHO.  They're animated pretty well, but I don't like most of the styles, save for one or two (which, incidentally, I managed to get female conversions of :lol:)

WAAAAAAAH!  People like my work! WAAAAAAH!! They like it so much they want to use it as much as possible. WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!  You guys are fuckers, putting my dolly clothes on your opposite gendered dollies. WAAAAAAAAAH! Someone was mean to me.  WAAAAAAH! I'm taking my toys away. WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH.




Good. We need less drama whores in this community.

I saw it and I even partook of it. :P

Yay for converting girly man hair into girl hair!

Ah, I was waiting for this one. Just put in my own two-cents and was a lot nicer than I normally am when it comes to this drama-llama bullshit.

I get *some* use of her female hair for my alien townies. But, if I need girly male hair, I use Ren's, because it's better quality anyway.

So will there be a killmark for this, or does Sshodan's pissivity level stop short of pulling her $40 hair collection and her "donation" system?

What a baby.

$40? Seriously?

It's about $30 now.  $2.50 apiece separately, and she used to not even sell separately.  You had to buy the group.

Plus, no Paypal option.  Moneybookers is not for me.

Jesus fucking Christ. Killmark please.

I don't get it: why get upset over male hair converted to female? Why not? What a big baby. I don't think the Sims Community NEEDS her/it.

Oh I didn't realise she did pay stuff too.  In that case I suspect her main reason for leaving is the community tide is turning.

 :lol:

I don't know one guy who has hair that long.

Why didn't she upload that female hair in the "Goodby!" picture, is it at her site, that's the only hair from her I like

It's next to impossible to find male hair that isn't girly. It's very aggravating. When Vaan from FFXII looks significantly more masculine than most male Sims, we have a problem.

If sshodan wanted the hair she made to stay on male Sims, why does all the hair she made look like it belongs on female Sims? And very feminine ones at that.

This is all ridiculous nonsense.  Is she unwell or something?   How can anyone have a serious gender-related issue with Sim hair meshes?  Even someone with problems resulting from real life sexual abuse can hardly transfer those feelings to hair meshes FFS!

I remember reading her reply to someone who asked if she'd make a hair for females that no, she wouldn't because there was 'too much' content made for female sims - as if there were only a set amount of Sims 2 content that could ever be created, and if too much was made for female sims no one could make anything for males!

Hell if I know. She did mention that "being attracted by people is not fun", which I made fun of her for. I'm sure she meant "attacked", but that's a really weird slip-up, whether her first language is English or not. I admit, I am rather curious as to what her rationale behind the gendered hair thing is.

I can completely understand wanting to stick to making content for male Sims, and not waste time on yet more content for female Sims. But I can't see why she'd mind other people doing the work of converting her stuff.

I find the comment that she doesn't benefit from her work rather funny, considering the best part of her work (and for females too, heh. In fact, ONLY for females) is pay. I've always been of the opinion that she made it that way because she knew female hair sold better.

Exactly.  Just another example of complete lack of community spirit - or even reasonable adult-adult cooperation

In a way, I can understand her being upset....but it's over the STUPIDEST thing, it's so incredibly bratty...Oh, it's just so silly. I mean...like...well...Good riddance, I guess. Everything I keep thinking to say about her, just boils down to 'yes, it's irritating when people do stuff, but it's not the end of the world, you queen of drama whores!'

Bleh, she's probably a psychotic yaoi fangirl and WOMENZ ARE TEH EVIL!!1 or something. Don't bother analyzing why, just point and laugh.  :)

Sorry, completely off-topic, but... Ghanima, I do love Gary Larson so much! Thanks for your signature  :D.

Yet they are worth selling  :roll:

http://www.freewebs.com/sshodan/femailhaircollections.htm

edit: Marhis, I couldn't resist using it ;) Especially with my avatar. lol Although I admit I do not know a whole lot about Gary.  :P

Again I find myself confused.  Are "freewebs" free websites?  And if so, why is it a hotbed of paysites?

Well, you do pay like 3 bucks a month to remove the ads..but apart from that yes, it does point to certain moneygrubbing tendencies...I mean if you're gonna start a paysite, at least get yourself a server so you can use the "bandwidth donation" excuse...freewebs in the URL doesn't look make you look good when you ask 10x as much for one set...

their most expensive plan is still cheaper than ONE donation set ... and that being said, anyone going with that is dumb. there are far better offers online.

They should at least put in the effort and find a free host that doesn't have the word FREE in its name.  I mean, it's still just as ridiculous, but at least it's not quite so blatant.

Hey, I didn't say it made sense.  :P

She actually doesn't even have downloads on that site - it's all just pointed elsewhere, like I know she posts crap at Wicked Sims, for example.

I'm guessing that the hair in the picture is probably from the unreleased female collection mentioned in an earlier journal entry.

oh okay!

she is one of many creators who specifically say that they don't like female sims or want their things used on female sims (some even specify no fat sims and refuse to make the "fat morph" on their meshes)....and I think all of them would throw the same "hissyfit" if something happened to one of their precious male meshes.
i dont have the ability to test my theory though since i dont know how to convert meshes lol
i dont see why that person felt the need to be a dick though and pm her with that crap--they are just a shit-stirrer trying to cause more unnecessary drama in the community.
Except for the part of her TOS that says no gender refitting, she is nothing but nice to people, she allows recolors of her creations and other stuff (which it seems alot of people dont allow these days especially mts2 newbie creators), and she's given people pay meshes as prizes in those dumb s2c contests...she doesnt make since sometimes since english isn't her first language...but I havent seen her being mean....unless I missed something where she was an evil bitch to somebody she didnt really deserve that, if so, please point it out to me lol

This also has nothing to do with Pescado since the gender refits weren't here and he didn't make them personally so I dont see why people were pointing the blame at him lol

Just thinking, now everyone knows there are female versions of her hair available. If this is so upsetting to her, I still can't figure out why, her little drama queen act will make it worse. I'll be off trying to get them now myself. It will be interesting to see if she continues to make pay stuff.

Control freaks are usually nice to the people who obey them.  Sorry but these people who say things like don't use my meshes on fat sims, female sims etc etc are just silly bossy-boots.

That sounds kind of... fetish-y to me.

It's odd. I looked through her male hair meshes, and they're on very feminine looking men with feminine make up and often wearing dresses/gowns. The only thing not female about them is their alleged genitalia and lack of boobs. She's made them as female as she possibly can without actually using a female body... then cries foul when the hair is reworked for actual females.

Then there's the fact that the hairs are specificly linked to specific characters with personalities and likes and dislikes. Maybe she views them as being linked to those personalities/characters and so it's offensive to her to think of those characters, not just the meshes but the characters, as female? I don't know. It's puzzling.

Anyway. I looked through those meshes and none of them seemed really appealing or fantasticly well done, and I like dudes with long hair. I'm disapointed. Hopefully she won't really go bye-bye but will continue perfecting her craft.

Ding ding ding.

Someone who is "usually nice" and then turns around and is a complete drama queen poor-little-me bitch "on occasion", i.e., when she doesn't get her way, is not a good person. One of my friends just pried himself away from someone like that (hopefully), and ARGH I hate people like her, and the excuses made for them by other people drive me up the wall.

If someone doesn't want to share her creations so other people can use them however they want, she shouldn't be putting them on the web in the first place. I'd much rather go without even good stuff than have to deal with that shit.

I think people are blaming Pescado because it's just fun to blame Pescado.  I myself blame Pescado for global warming.

Most likely she's a slasher who secretly believes there should be only men in the world and they should all be gay nymphos.  If she doesn't want her meshes used on female Sims, though, she shouldn't make them so girly.  :p

It could be that she's withholding.  Some people get off on that.  

little simmer:  can you please make your beautiful hairs for girls too?
sshodan:  No, because then people would have no reason to talk to me.
little simmer:  because it's too much work?  Can I remake it for girls?  I would give you full credit!
sshodan:  No, because then no one would visit my site because no one but me wants a bunch of fairy men running around in their game.  And then no one would have a reason to talk to me.
little simmer:  But everyone will know that you made the mesh?
sshodan:  No, because I need the praise to feed my ego, and without some silly gimic I'm just someone who makes rediculously high poly hairs for girls and greasy woman hair for boys.  I can't have others realizing that.

Most of Sshodan's earlier crap are J-rock hair and sims, i.e. sims of male rock stars who made themselves up to look like women. She's probably one of those psychotic J-rock yaoi fangirls who think no female deserves their J-rock stars and said J-rock stars should do only each other. Or something. Maybe that's why she doesn't allow refits for female sims. She wants her hair to be used on girly-looking men only. I'm a J-rock fan myself, but even I don't get it.



Now that you mention that, a few entries down, she has a little hissy fit about her hairs not being featured on MTS2:



Maybe that's MTS2's way of telling her her meshes are not, in fact, "perfect."  :wink:

is she really a she?
cos i keep reading the name as ss ho dan


but then i know nothing of this creator or their work. i have rarely downloaded  hairs and have always avoided complicated ones like these


edit: oh according to her MTS2 profile she says she's a she but who really knows <shrug>

...I know this type. She probably IS a some crazy J-Rock chick that thinks all men should look like women and make out with eachother. Because, the only true love is man-on-man love...or something.

"I hate girls! But all my boys will look like girls!...I confuse myself..."

But....eh. Another person I've never heard of bites the dust. I shall go on.

I think it's trendy to blame Pescado anymore. If you know your reason is bullshit, throw around Pescado and sneak away in the explosion.

Hm, I can understand not wanting to allow gender refits. It is a bit annoying just seeing people go "very nice, are you going to make a female version?" The apparent bias towards fashionable female Sims in the custom content area drives me nuts just because... well, I like pretty boys and handsome girls.

With most of my Sims being male, I go on male content hunts... but finding male CC that I actually like is a pain in the ass. Coincidentally, I'm picky. And I don't like Sshodan's hair, and her Sims are the ugliest excuse for prettyboys I've ever seen.

Her attitude on the subject, however, is insane. If she overreacts like that all the time, it's no wonder people did it just to piss her off. Is it so much to ask, politely, "please don't ask me to do or offer to make gender refits, I would rather like the hair I made just for men to stay that way. I can give you links where you can get plenty of nice female hair in similar styles, though!"

She did try to do that actually. I think everyone thought it was so strange and her hair is so feminine, people just couldn't stop asking. MTS2 has it's share of retarded users that pester creators too. I don't know why the person who set her off felt it was so important to rub her face in it. Kind of stupidly mean if you ask me.

I think she doesn't realize how bizzarre she looks. With all her spelling errors and word transpositions, I've always assumed that English wasn't her first language either.

Aren't they, though? Hmm, this reminds me of the time my J-rock Sim got rejected for not bearing enough resemblance to the J-rocker I based it on. Maybe I should create a blog on MTS2 just to whine about the other J-rock Sims that get accepted even though they look nothing like the J-rockers. Whereas my J-rock Sim is perfect in every way. Perfect, I tell you!

Oh, and I blame Pescado for that rejection. Curse you, Pescado! *shakes fist*

Good gracious, such a thing should have been featured, even! Why, if people can get their booooring Sims based on well-known celebrities we couldn't care less about featured, your perfect J-rocker not so many people know/care about should totally have been featured. Complain!

People will agree! Serious!

Especially if they think they can get something out of you through flattery.

I can't understand it. It's nuts. She's trying to keep complete control over a fan-made mod that she's put out on the internet. As I've said, I can understand why she wouldn't want to do it herself, but not allowing others to do it? Give me a break.

Oh, and I like handsome men, but I don't have anything against pretty boys in any medium but The Sims. The fetish for pretty boys in this community, though, totally grosses me out. Not to mention irritates me beyond belief because of how borderline-impossible it is to find hair or clothing for male Sims who are neither transgendered nor yaoi.

I have a really hard time stomaching pretty men in my game. They drive me nuts!

I don't get the J-rock yaoi fangirl bullshit. People are so farking weird.

In my world, men have square jaws, muscles, facial hair that isn't shaved into pretty designs. They have penises and at least half of them are interested in women (yes, I do have room for gay men in my world). They do not wear makeup. They do not wear dresses. They do not have hair longer than mine unless they are in an 80's hair band.  :roll:

Maybe I am just not trendy enough. You think that might be it?

Cross dressing for guys is obviously way beyond wonderful to some parts of the community, but crossing for chicks is non-existent. I would really love to see - but am quite certain I never will - male clothes meshes converted for females, so that female sims can actually cross dress. I've used SimPE to change the clothes on occasion, but I'm no mesher and thus the sims have to walk around with severed heads floating above their necks.

Keijra...that sounded weird...men not having penises i mean lol

I rarely play the game, but I like to have at least one "fantasy/scifi" neighborhood where pretty much anything goes--including blue male sims that look girly and wear pastel colors yet have huge penises hanging out of their clothing (that neighborhood is there solely to crack me up and I rarely ever play it)....but most of my neighborhoods that I actually play are "normal", meaning there are various family situations (from gay couples with kids to a widowed grandma raising her grandchildren to orphaned siblings taking care of each other)....but the guys look like guys (even if they are slightly too good-looking) and the girls look like girls and omg there's even fat sims!

It's not a matter of being trendy, its just that there are some completely fangirl/boy simmers who are good (or decent at least) at fulfilling the needs of one part of the sims2 fanbase--fangirls/boys that want girly men that look like characters in anime or whatever it is those people are into lol
Funny that it seems alot of simmers like cross-dressing guys in the game but make fun of them or treat them like shit in real life. :?

The "trendy" thing seems to be photoskinned skintones/masks of celebrities or the clothing that they wear. You will find more sites/creators devoted to that than anything else....mostly because alot of downloaders arent that computer-knowledgable (wut iz winrar??!!111) and don't spend all their time online getting obsessed with whatever odd stuff is coming from japan these days lol--so they are looking for realistic stuff or things they want in real life but can't afford.

Also, recently, it seems mts2 is approving photoskinned sims/clothing instead of non-photoskinned ones, so alot of people are learning photoskinning just so they can get approved (and featured) on mts2. :roll:

And JesterImp, beosboxboy/marvine made an entire set of manly meshes for women and I'm sure there are tons of recolors of it too. You'd have to look at insimenator for them.

I would think Sshodan gets a lot of wish fulfillment out of her girly-looking J-rock Sims -- she can make them do fan service to her heart's content. But she's sadly deluded if she thinks she can have complete control over her stuff that she lets everyone download. Once you put it out there, it's not yours anymore. Perhaps it's better that she doesn't share her creations? That way, she really can have complete control over them.

But if she doesn't share, who will fangirl her? Crisis!

Faris: I'm totally complaining to MTS2! The sheeple should not be deprived of the Featured awesomeness of my J-rock pretties!

*shrugs*

I just want to find mens hair that isn't going to induce my grandmother to come out of her grave and snarl "You cut that hair!! You want people should think you look like a sheepdog?"

Does every man on the planet HAVE to have hair that covers the eyes and is oh so emo? The vast majority of my male sims are stuck with Maxis hairs because of that.

wicked_one, I totally grabbed all of those the moment I saw them, heh. I just wish someone would make some completely and totally flat chested ones. But hey, at least I can have them muscley ^_^

I like several of her hairs, on my men. Okay so their elvish or comic style, I like that look not on all my men though just a few.

But i see another artist punishing those of us, that just play the game. She lost any respect I felt for her, after reading her tizzy here :roll: . i think I need to boogey over to MTS2 make sure have all them, before they get pulled.

You know I have been collecting sim stuff since sims 2, I have fireflies foods, etc. I wish there was a place all this stuff could be put for people that dont have them. They were free, but now they cant be found anywhere. Anyways Im sorting through several years of DLS, most were free. Many never got used. I just liked having them, so I am a pirate, got to have my treasure hoard, kind of like a squirrel with the nut den for winter. :twisted:

Haha, even mods are telling her to fuck off.



This made my night.

For what it's worth, some people say "don't use the fat morph" because... well... there is no fat morph (or the fat morph is broken-- I recall seeing a notice (http://all-about-style.com/themes_1930's2.html) to that effect on All About Style). It's more difficult to put one in there, and some people just don't take the trouble.
Maybe there are some people who mean it differently, but generally, it's because they just didn't add it to their mesh.
It doesn't add the transformation automatically-- you have to go in there and move everything out a little by hand. It's not too bad, most of the time, but, as I said, not everyone can take the time to do that (and sometimes, the meshes can be a bit complex, which makes it understandable that they wouldn't want to).

Either way, I liked Sshodan's things (I have a few too many prettyboy Sims in my game for my tastes, but it's not reaching epidemic levels yet), and I'm a bit sad that she's "retiring".
But I still think she's being way too melodramatic. I found her "why am I not featured yet" post to be a bad idea, as well. After all, it's one thing to think "why am I not featured yet", it's another thing entirely to say it.
But this thing? Sure, she's allowed to be upset. The person was rather rude. But, man. It's kind or ridiculous.
Well, that's the way it goes.

To be honest, I have that set of female-to-male conversions. I haven't installed more than one... yet. I may install them for the next time I take pictures, heh.
And I converted her "Guilty" mesh myself, for a Sim. My Sim was supposed to be an alien, trying to make herself look like she blended in. Her source of "normal human clothing"? Magazines from the 80's! :D That "Guilty" hairstyle was perfect for it. Too perfect.

Well, one year ago 90% of the reactions would be:

"OMG COME BACK I LOVE YOU DON'T GO WAAAH!!!"

People just don't take this shit no more.

What is the mesh guilty of anyway?

Lolz.  :P It's a mesh of an anime character's hair. The character's name is Schuldig (German for guilty).

I agree with you. I cannot STAND all these girly looking guys. Someone at S2C was complaining about it.  Maybe it's an age thing but I CANNOT stand all the 'femme' hair on men. (some, okay, but a lot just looks weird).

I don't care what gender of sim wears which type of hair, and I can't understand why sshodan does either.   I can't think of any reason other than the sheer joy of imposing her will on others.   What would happen if I said users can only use my school hacks to make boys' schools?

LOL to me their elf like, sorry Poser person here Nanna, and they have those girly faces and lots of hair only they have kewel weapons and armour. The hair works great with rock stars and all, I think its her wild and messy I just love the most it animates great, works better than the rod stewart hair of Peggy's on rock band members. :lol: She will probably go over and join the poser community now.

What a coincidence, I just wiped all of her horrible hair off my game. Well, don't let the door hit you on yer arse, buster, or ya head which is stuck up there will get hurt...although that prolly won't do any significant damage, given how fucked up the lady is.

I found, I think on MTS2, some baggy jeans/khaki pants and plain t-shirts fom teen girls that had been converted from a teen boys mesh. I'm getting a little sick of all the super skanky womens' clothing out there. Especially the ones that were made for barbie/blank skins, and when you put them on more realistic skins there's nipples hanging out... totally not on purpose. Ok, ok. I'm not sick of those. They make me giggle.

I know. One of my friends is a devoted J-Rock fan and sickens me how she continously talks about pretty j-rock boys fucking each other. She also writes slash fanfics about pretty j-rock boys doing each other. Come on, they're not gay and some of them are married for fucks sake!!! If I were a pretty j-rocker, I wouldn't be pleased about the state of mind of my fangirls.

And I think Pescado was being blamed, because...well, they CAN. They obviously thought that sshodan is calling it quits because of the pay-free drama since he/she/IT has a donation set(a very crappy one, indeed) and is hiding behind the mesh converting.

edit: being a foreigner=not making sense in english? English is not my first language.

I'm curious to know what Sshodan's mothertongue is supposed to be, because her mistakes in English are really bizarre compared to the usual odd constructions and spelling errors I've seen from non-native speakers.

Well she talks better than my brother and he is in high scool  :lol:

That's great, lol!  I honestly couldn't think of a better use for that hair!

I wish I could download the converted versions of her male hair

Yeah, me neither. Nothing against pretty boys at all (and I actually don't mind a bit of yaoi/slash on occasion because it's not about the straight chars being gay, but that's another topic), but I always did like my men to look like... men. :mrgreen:



Yes. Some more practical clothes for women would be nice, too. Does every pair of jeans really have to come with super-high heels?

Her hair is terrific, but the poly counts are too high and one of them did... interesting things to my sim. Blue'd out his face, actually, when I put it on him. I had a pic of him sitting on the ground with his entire face, blue, at standing height.  :lol: I deleted that hair and he was back to normal. Pity I lost the pic due to not keeping a stand-in at the house, and forgot to save it. *sigh*

I like pretty, effeminate teen boys in my game. My idea of effeminate, though, really doesn't involve frills, curls, bad makeup or crossdressing. ...except for that one Sim I really want to stick in a frilly pink nightdress with ribbons, but he's different.

I don't have many girls in my game, because there's only a handful of clothes out there that I'm willing to put on my girls. I don't do trendy or fashionable, give me some baggy jeans and a Sonic t-shirt.

You know, I really should learn to mesh. Then my boys can have nice ponytails and my girls can dress decently.

Sims File Vault is your friend, dear.

He got banned on SFV for being a dumbass.

I usually don't read the terms, so I signed, and my first post was telling them to ban me because I was twelve

what a fatass!

at first i just sent her a pm with nothing but the pictures of her hair actually on females. (OMG NO!!!!!!!!) i only wanted to laugh at her reaction, and then i got this:



DO YOU GUYS ALL KNOW "WHAT'S YOU MISSING?" =D

paragraph-long "woe-is-me" cookie-cutter reply full of teenage angst. how could anyone resist not being an asshole when you get something like that? lmao.

Do I know what I'm missing....guess we are not of the 5 might cross gender the hair and put it on fat sims. :twisted:
I say cross gender all her hair, please lol and flood simworld with them.

Oh dear, she's clearly quite unbalanced.  Perhaps the best thing that could happen to her is for her to take a break for a while.  The female-refit photographers could have done her a favour without realising it.

Ok this whole thing has just got to be so stupid(in regards to Sshodan)!  I mean ok Sshodan doesn't want her hairs converted...great whatever....didn't really like her guy's hair that much anyway, just not my taste for my sims.  But for her to get upset and whatnot over someone converting her meshes for PERSONAL use has got to be the most asinine thing ever!  I mean you can't control what people do in their own game and what they do for personal use; and not to take pictures?!  pffftt... I just don't get it, why should you care if someone else converted your mesh...I would be honored!  It means someone likes it enough to want to take the time and have it for their females too.  Although i do agree on the subject there's too much stuff for females but gahh whatever!  It shouldn't matter what GENDER a stupid thing is for.  Just my 2 cents...

And WHY ON EARTH would you say something STUPID like that? Are you an idiot?

I think they banned me because they thought I owned a paysite. Anyway I'm banned. Never even got one hair out of it damnit.
They allso made fun of my website and I couldn't yell at them XD

Someone banned Nouk? From where? Why?

I remember downloading the Guilty hair and then deleting it because it looked rubbish ingame. So I'm hardly mourning her leaving, even if she hasn't taken her toys with her (yet).

I hate girls like her - "OMG GIRLS ARE SO EVIL BUT MY BOYS ARE SO GIRLY THAT THEY ARE REALLY GIRLS WITH PENII!" There are some wack yaoi fangirls that make everyone else look bad.

Hey, I remember taking a look at her hairs once and thinking why should I bother hogging up my laptop with her crap, I want my men to look like...well MEN!

Was reading through the comment made towards her "Woe-is-me!" journal entry and read this:



OMFG! It's fucking official...people just don't read things anymore. Sussi left and closed her site because she's moving on with her life!

*sigh* Anyways, keep the great work guys!

They blame Pescado, because it sounds hotter and hipper than to always blame it on Canada.

i miss when people used to blame canada.
we're just so evil, eh?

"Fuck your sharing friends" is an amazing phrase, in so many ways.



Yes, but Sussi has said that unhappiness at the paysite drama (just the community strife in general, not the actual issue) is one of the things that helped her decide to completely pull out.

It doesn't explain why Sshodan would think that reason trumps baby time and expenses, but it's not entirely untrue. Just a terrible example.

For the next few months people are going to claim that anyone leaving is doing so because of Pescado. I've already heard people saying that the TSR defectors "left" because of PMBD.

Who banned you Nouk?

Which TSR defectors?

And Nouk, who banned you from where?

Was it SFV? Shurely some mishtake?

I forgot you use that as a title. :oops:

I meant the creators who claim they are quitting the sims for Real Life, then show up a week later as TSR FAs.
Defected to TSR, not from TSR. Sorry.

I know for a fact that SFV doesn't care if you are a paysite owner and also a filesharer.  Just don't be too surprised if they pillage your stuff too. :P

Quite!  I would love to have them myself.



Ugh!  I really started to think I was the only one who felt this way.  Half the time when people post pics of their Sims, I can't immediately tell if they are male or female and often have to call my husband over just to confuse him too.  :roll:

I am seriously stunned by the reply you got, frivolous.  She really sounds unstable.  I would love to see the picture threads at S2C flooded with pics of her guy hair on females.

Ok I think I have worked out the history to this.  She was born a boy, but is transsexual.   Her parents could not accept this and when she tried to grow her hair long like her sister, her parents always said, no, only girls should have long hair.

She's been trying to redress the balance ever since and if she became a dictator all women would be banned from having long hair apart from those who were born male and were transgender or transvestite.
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Got a question for everyone, if someone goes and uploads characters with her hairs and all to the exchange, does she then cease to have an argument, as now EA owns it? Are you following my thoughts here. I could never figure why artists got mad about their stuff on the exchange but is this why, they loose total control then.I never paid that mych attention to EAs rules, but now reading them. Just wondering?

Now lets complicate this further. What happens if Rose and Peggy have been stealing poser meshes or even had permission to use them. Some one creates character with their hair with these poser meshes and uploads to the exchange. Now EA owns it, but yet its from another copyrighted source. What happens then?

I am just wondering why Frivolous felt the need to rub her nose in it?

Probably 12 ness - or even 6 ness.  At least now people will see sfv, and think a little more about it.

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I am too. It seems nasty and hateful without any real purpose.

Edited to avoid double posting: She seems to have taken the entry down.

Normally I might agree but I always enjoy seeing a bossyboots being made fun of.  Really unless someone can come up with a serious reason why the person might have been damaged in any way by knowing the hair was on the wrong gender of sim I won't be able to do anything but smile about the whole thing.

well she didnt edit the journal posts though from others or maybe she cant.

Maybe she's hot tempered and has cooled down. 8)

I got banned from three fora:

1. From Pooja's forum because I asked for my account to be deleted. Very nicely and politely *cough*. And then fighting with her. And then again. And then some more. And then later again. And then I don't remember.

2. From some chicks forum, she was called Deviant something, and I thought she was a pshycho and I told her that. Publically and thoroughly.

3. From Sims File Vault because I was lurking, lurking some more, never uploaded a wishlist, and got kicked out.

I'm sure you're not banned - you probably got deleted for inactivity.

And LOL on the other two.

It appears that she has taken that entry down.  The most recent entry is now the one blabbing about...  I don't remember, its not the interesting one :D

Hehe I wonder if you can take the journals down.  I don't think she'd be able to delete all of the comments on it.  Probably only mods or admins can - maybe they did?

I just tried a google cache search but her journal entry wasn't available  :cry:   did anyone save it?

I think there was comments left still? Someone at SFV had linked to a bunch of them. Or maybe they were more comments on another entry to continue to rub her nose in it?

Ah well.

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Ah, Nouk, Pooja doesn't like me either.  Why?  Because I thought the whole Pooja Lovefest We Gotta have T-shirts Made That Say "We Love Pooja" idea was really silly.  It was beginning to make me mashed potatoes bitter.

I think Pooja hates me too because i said something on another forum about a year ago that I found some of the mods at S2C annoying and rude. I think I got banned from her forum for that. I certainly got a lecture anyway, which I found kind of ridiculous at the tome.

Who's Pooja?

She was a mod at S2C, mainly the contest forum.  She left a long time ago though, smart move if you ask me.

I have a q? kinda on this topic of male sims lookin girly..... That's just about ALL I seem to find!! I HATE that shit!! I'm used to men lookin like MEN!! I mean don't get me wrong there are a few girly men out there, but the damn Sims Community acts like that's the ONLY kind of man that's out there. And the tight clothes.......... UGH!! I have found maybe 3-5 sites that have decent male content......... I don't mind a few like that I just wouldn't d/l em. But 98% of the male sims look like this!! So the question is: Why in the fuck do creators do this? Why do we need male sims with long flowing locks of curls?? To *ME* it looks fucking ridiculous. Sorry if I ranted too much or didn't make much sense (or if you are one of the type of people who like girly men). I'm tired, upset, and have had a REAL long day!!

Pooja is a youngling with an overrated sense of self worth.  I guess that's not too bad in this day and age except she takes it too far.  If you question anything she says or disagree with her "in public", you will get a tongue lashing like no other.  (And I don't mean that in a good way.)  Then she will make it her life's work to try to ruin your reputation in any way possible.  I watched her and her cronies bully several people before I realized she just wasn't right and left her forum, Similar Addiction.  As long as you are in on her fan club and you totally kiss her ass, you are okay.

The answer to your question is yes, except EA owned it the millisecond  she packaged it and she never had any right to ask people only use it on males.



No, that's covered by the "this website is not supported by EA blah blah," so EA has no liability. EA, if they decided to take over the package files, would just trash them if they were stolen or given "in general" permission because of copyright issues. Either way, the creator of the package file (Peggy, Rose) has no copyright, and the owner of the poser mesh would have the right to request that the mesh be removed from the file if the mesh was stolen and reworked without any permission at all.

If they had permission to use them specifically for EA packages, and it was in writing, then the licence would automatically switch to EA as the true owners of the package files.

Clear as mud? :)

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Beth  ;) that was reiterated by Cliff he said if they were stolen meshes, illegal over at the Renderosity, Copyright forum, we all had to delete them, not use them anymore. But it has to be proved first. I think if they will let HP examine the files, and compare this would end all speculation one way or another. Well hopefully over at EA, LOL and Renderosity people will be returning to work, and we will get some responses.

Funny, that sounds like Simbella's.

I agree with Lookatmytreasurechest.

Again, I also mean no offense if you like those long haired, girly guys but I like my sims men (overall) to look like men. I hardly have any long haired ones and if I do, they get beards or other facial hair.  I do have the odd one in my game with some of those 'rock star' styles but overall I tend to use the Maxis short haired ones or the curly locks by HP.

Haven't we had this whole girly man discussion many, many times before?

Ad nauseum. It is for some reason very very important that these people let us all know that they like REAL men. Um, okay folks...

Of course I like REAL men, not virtual sim men.

My Sims are all what people would probably consider "strange". :P

Well, except for this one family which I have kept painfully plain and boring just so I could say not ALL of my Sims are freaks.

Well if you have, I've missed it. What's the big deal?? Can we state our opinions without being criticized? And *I'M* just stating that I like my SIM men to look like men.  I don't feel the NEED to let y'all know. I'm just stating my opinion. How bout ADDING to the conversation instead of being childish and saying criticizing things? Frankly I'm SICK of shit like this. Y'all will be so quick to yell out "12ness" but WTF is this? Oh, THESE examples RIGHT here quoted are WAY more mature conversation!! *For those of you who don't know THAT was sarcasm.*

This point has been talked about and talked about and talked about to death. It doesn't need repeating yet AGAIN. You go poking in a few old threads and you can read all about it!

Just b/c poor old you hasn't iterated this exact point in the same old tired way doesn't mean the rest of us have to put up w/ yet another broken-record discussion.

Not so fast - I haven't had my turn yet!

I LIKE REAL MEN

(I like men with long curly hair too - I just like men!)

I wasn't really trying to start a discussion. I was just asking why creators seem to make a more feminime(SP?) lookin sim male. I had read stuff earlier in this EXACT thread about that. So I was replying. Also I was stating my opinion bout the girly men. Soooooooooooo again WHAT'S the BIG DEAL??? Did you autmatically say anything to anyone else in this thread that the girl man subject is tired? No. So why start now? Just keep it movin. If what I post isn't up to par to your standards guess what? You don't have to read and/or reply to me!! That's the wonderful thing bout a forum!! When you see my username, you don't have to read or respond to ANYTHING I say!! Look I don't have a problem with you or anyone else in here. But I'm not gonna sit here and let people be rude to me for no reason. I tried the friendly approach, it didn't work. So now I'm just gonna keep it real. I can be cool as hell but I can also be a bitch from hell. I'm not trying to offend anyone. And if I have I'm sorry. I'm just SICK of the rudeness for no reason. I can understand if I was being a troll, and maybe some of my posts have been misconstrued that way. But I'm not tryin to be that. I'm not here to see how many buttons I can I can push. I'm here cause I share a similar attitude. That attitude is Paysites MUST Be Destroyed!!! ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR Again no hard feelings!! PS_ PLEASE back on topic!! :)

 :P poo on you!! J/K

I agree. For some stupid reason you've always gotten yelled at since day one.  :?

Give me the guy in Piratebooty's avatar, don't know who he is , he's yummy though. (at least in that pic)

That second post was too long and congealed for me to wade through. But as long as we don't get another 50 posts saying this same exact thing I'm good.

ok last OT post for me, I AGREE!!! I LOVE lookin at Piratebooty's AV!!!

She didn't upload  on of her sims for me like she promised! :? oh well. :(

Heh heh.  This was funny to read.  It was the first post I read after reading this by Blue Soup:


Um, I guess not everyone here agrees that this is the place to "say pretty much whatever" you want.  :lol:  

Sorry, odd things strike me as funny, and I just thought it was funny.

There's a difference between free speech and pointless speech.

Pointless to you..... Not trying to get into a debate about it. But it's just the truth. What you may consider "pointless speech" someone else might conisder that just conversation. :)

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There was a time I would have agreed that he looked hot and yummy.

Now I just think someone should loan him a comb.

I think I'm going to enjoy being old and bitchy.   :D

comb or not he looks soooo HOOT! That tousled look of his hair looks good on him whoever Rusell Brand is :). YUMM!

Not true - everyone is free to say what they want, just as everyone else is free to tell them to kindly quit contributing to the sound of a broken record, and those told to can it are free to whine about it.

Well, I am so going to dissent - I like my girlie looking men in the sims - not quite as girl-like as Sshodan's, but certainly very girlie.  My male and female sims are sometimes only distinguishable by clothing or hairstyles.  And almost all of my male sims wear some sheer lippy and all of them wear eyeliner and blush.

he is ok until he opens his mouth  :shock:

I was thinking the elf look as I call it, or your "girlyguy" is very popular in poser. For me its like I tend to have sims in a mishmash of styles in game, guys, girlyguys, girls lol you get the picture...I've thrown makep on my guys too. I like to experiment. Its fun. i don't have a set way how girls look, I wish they would have some meaner tomboyish ones out there. I get tired of High fashion beauties. Lately excepty for my favorite custums, most often, I just makeover all the default characters. That is so much fun :). KOmei Tellerman, and Kennedy Cox are the villians in my game, dont do much with them. Brandon Lilliard he's fun and always ends up in the center of action.

I'm with Anelca ...ewwy

I don't like Sshodan's hair because of the textures and twists. I do, however, like my men girly. To me bodybuilders are the ugliest damn things to walk this planet. Give me a guy who has limbs like they're made of string cheese anyday.

NERDS FT--*shot*

I used to be attracted to the daintier looking men myself, but I noticed a pattern that they tended to have rather capricious sex drives.  As a person with a fairly healthy appetite myself I found the more masculine men tended to need less emotional manipulation to get them in the mood.

Maybe you're just with the sickly ones - not the dainty ones.  My husband is a goer, and he makes a better girl than I do.  In fact, he has been mistaken for a girl from behind (it's the long legs that do it).

lol i don't know, my husband is a big, burly physical laborer who "is too tired and has a terrible headache" at least twice a week :lol:

age-fitness could be a factor

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To quote the drama llama herself:

??  I don't get it?  She is quite confused, eh?  Maybe she should just make a scrapbook or something.

Translation: I want attention. I want to be admired and praised. Worship me. But I cannot be bothered to chat with you and be nice to you. I don't want to talk to you, but please talk to me and tell me how great I am.

I think that's what bothers me about people who do ONLY super femme guys... or super butch guys, or super high fashion gals, or super super slutty underwear sets, or whatever. When it crosses the line from "this is what I specialize in making" to "this is my fetish" I start getting kind of creeped out. Sshodan's stuff seems less like a speciality and more like a fetish that she's overly defensive of.

I'm with you on wanting more tomboyish clothing for the ladies... of all ages! Makes me want to make my own.

Yes please!  Some clothes that don't hug the figure would be a start at least.

http://www.modthesims2.com/showthread.php?t=49248
I use a similiar mesh/outfit in game, only the t-shirt/jersey is plain white.

http://www.modthesims2.com/showthread.php?t=55685
Jeans, hoody, sandals. Ugh, I hate those sandals.

http://www.modthesims2.com/showthread.php?t=49921
Hoody thing, but for teens. Sporty!

http://www.modthesims2.com/showthread.php?t=50865
Some baggier tops, some longer (but not frumpy) skirts.

http://www.modthesims2.com/showthread.php?t=49067
Knee length skirts for teens (reminds me of my Catholic school days. Knee length! Knee length!)

http://www.modthesims2.com/showthread.php?t=170992
Scrubs for women and men... the mesh could be re-skinned to not look scrub-like, I would think. Anyway, it's certainly not form-fitting and you can't see much in the way of ass crack, belly button, pubic region, cleavage, etc.

http://www.modthesims2.com/showthread.php?t=114303
recolors of "guy shorts" for teen girls, ya girls, and adult women.

http://www.modthesims2.com/showthread.php?t=82848
male board shirts refitted for adult and ya females

Ok, whew. I know this forum is really about pay sites and how they must be destroyed and all, but several people have lamented the lack of non-hoey female clothing, so I thought I'd do some digging. This is all from MTS2. I just sorted through both genders/unisex in the clothing category and honestly... was surprised by what I found. Mmmm. Not slutty.

Whoa, thanks graniaomalley! I don't know how I missed that mesh, as I've been wanting something like it for women for ages. Now to see if it works properly in the game...

The jersey one the creator claims has some lumpiness around the neck area. The jersey I have is white, but looks like it uses te same mesh. I haven't noticed any problems with the necline, but I also use it with a very thick dred mesh that covers up the back of the neck, so I might just not be seeing the problem.

I Youtubed him and his show's terribly boring. And he needs a stylist, stat. Or at least a comb.

And the heroin bit reminds me of Pete Doherty. Anyone reminiscent of Pete Doherty is unattractive by default.

Russell Brand is awesome. His voice used to irritate me no end, but I'm over it now...

thanks for the links graniaomalley!  I like the hoodie/jeans one - that's the kind of thing I normally wear (except with different shoes lol).  I get tired of all my lady sims prancing about in A-line skirts and stilettos while cleaning the house :roll:

 :lol:

I like androgyny.  My women tend to be pretty and androgenous, and so do my men.  The women I don't like end up in high heels with many small children, as this is my idea of hell.

I use Sshodan's stuff on several sims.  There's some issues with clothing intersection, but I really like a couple of her hairs.  And she hairbins, saving me time and irritation.

i draw the line at using sshodans stuff myself but i use the women i don't like in exactly the same way :D
Brandi Broke i have always let run to fat in skin tight skimpy clothes and get her pregnant at every available opportunity.....i can't seem to play her in any other way for some reason :?

It's funny, I always think of Brandi as a trailer trash skank too.

I once tried cleaning Brandi up, and making her respectable...*shakes head* It was all wrong. But what can you expect with Bob and Betty Newbie as parents?

Haha that's exactly how I play her too :D Her laziness and lack of neatness as well as those impossible tight pants she starts out in (well, for Maxis anyway) certainly point in that direction. Not to mention her trailer, err house. I know lots of people turn her in this classy lady (and to be honest she's one of the prettier Maxis sims) but I like keeping the Brokes at the, uh, bottom of the greaspole.

I thought it was!!!! He makes me laugh. :D He's very silly.


I love (some of) Sshodan's male hairs. It's sad she's leaving, but I won't miss her. She was a bit drama-queen-y. But I want that hair on the leaving page! Isn't that cruel of leaving artists--they upload taunting pictures of unreleased meshes which are ALWAYS their best work and most wanted...*cry*
As for the self-centred-ness: ugh! Hate it. Why is it that half the meshing population think the world should revolve around them?
It's worse when it's recolourers, though. Recolourers who think the world should revolve around them are even more bigheaded.


As for Brandi, well, I always wipe that neighbourhood.  :lol: I've never played any Maxis sims. EVER. Sims1 OR 2.

Agreed. 100%!

All Sshodan's stuff still on MTS2, by the way. Not only a drama kween, but a promise breaker too? :twisted:

And stop dissing Brandy, you meanieheads. She's a respectable lesbian housewife with a penchant to adopt all orphans from all neigbourhoods, so there!

I just can't see what's attractive about hair that looks like you've been scratching at lice in it all day.  Pete Doherty's the same.

Ah, but Pete Doherty is just YUCK! anyway.

No, she never said she would pull all her stuff, she only said she wouldn't create more free stuff. I don't think she's such a drama queen, but has some strange ideas that are difficult to understand. It wouldn't surprise me though, if she releases new pay stuff.

If she does, then her whiny fit might look like a pretty clever move. "I didn't want to do it but mean people on Internet MADE me to! So blame them, not meee!"

I actually downloaded some of her hairs before I realized they were male-only hair. I wanted them for my female demon Sims. They sat in my downloads folder until I got the refit meshes. Now I actually use the hair lol. I have some nice long hair I do use for some of my male Sims. Now I either need to learn how to refit meshes or find some one who would be kind enough to do it for me, I have some short female hairs that look ok on the girls but I think would look awesome on the guys. Especially my skater teens. LOL


Wolf

Do you know any good sites that have converted her hair?

RedLove, only place I know of is SFV. Wish I could be more helpful then that.

Wolf

Yeah; SFV has them. I d/led them, but I don't have the whole set anymore. Go there, post a few times, go to the Giving Tree TS2 and ask for them in the thread A&I made. I think it's A&I, that is...

Gracias senoritas!  :D

Edit: Ugh didn't find anything over there. Maybe someone will do it again and I'll catch them this time xD

It's still there, under "Giving Tree - SIMS 2 ONLY". The thread is entitled "10 Male to Female Conversions of Sshodan's Hairs!!!!"
You've registered and posted a bit, right? I don't recall whether or not the giving tree shows up immediately to new users...

Yea I've posted and can find the giving tree Thanks =D

You have to post 3 times but shh!!! I didn't tell you that!!! Because of course you're supposed to find out on your own...