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I would have posted this in the other thread but it seems it is locked & there is no reply button so im adding it here.

Sugah's Place has been hacked again. This time they not only hacked her site but they also hacked into her Photobucket account replacing all pics with pron & hacked into her Mediafryer account. The same pron that was used in the attacks on Me & ShanOw last July. It is also the same pictures that were used when Sim Control was hacked.

Are we talking about the SAME attack, or a NEW attack? This all seems very random, given that this "Sugah" person is not connected either TSR or here, and I've never heard of them. I am not convinced this is necessarily a related incident without more information on the MO. The porn images don't mean much, such images are typically stock images found easily on the Interwebs. Additionally, hamfisted repair efforts, at this point, will have eliminated any useful evidence that I could look at.

This is a new attack. The pron used in the latest attack is Goatse pron, the same pron that was used in the attack on Me & ShanOw in July 2009, S2A in December 2009 & was also used in the attack on Sim Control. The IP used in the 1st 3 attacks was the same. As for the IP used to hack Sim Control i don't know. As for the Goatse pron, somewhere on Coconut's blog theres a post about ATWA using Goatse pron to spam the forums on TSR. I've looked for it again but cannot seem to find it. Maybe Coconut can confirm this?

Someone over at BPS has suggested that since Sugah has a forum subject about the infamous Blue Soup online petition it just might be the reason why she's being hacked.

Yeah, I'm having a sense of deja vu here, with this same conversation on MATY as well. So...same as there: Goatse is not very unique or original.

Hehehe :P

Would you be able to tell anything by a cached page from google of her site? Her site is completey gone now but theres a cache of the hacked pages with pron here...
http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:hOsLr7bDvp4J:sugahsplace.forumotion.net/+http://sugahsplace.forumotion.net/&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

Edit...

Her site is back up but theres a warning message & pron still visable.
http://sugahsplace.forumotion.net/

URGH! I feel so sorry for her, she says she is emailing Photobucket - I can tell her right now that it a TOTAL waste of time.

I recognize one of the images (the capsicum in the anus) as the exact one that replaced my signature image on a few forums, I would hazard a guess and say that this is connected in some way.

I too recognize some of the images. It's like their using the same ones over & over again.

...And they attack both a forum and a photobucket account presumably using the same password :P
Sound familiar?
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Coincidence..?

That's Tubgirl. The google cache image of the site suggests the site itself was not tampered with, and that the Botophucket images linked were simply altered. This is the true peril of hotlinking. Forget that crap about bandwidth theft. Hotlinking my files gives ME the power to control YOUR site's content by splattering crap like THAT on it. Faced with THAT, I guarantee that the person doing the hotlinking will pull it down REAL fast and probably be banned from the site they did it on.

However, it does not tell us anything about a hacking, or even prove that one took place. I mean, it's Botophucket. Botophuckets are hacked all the time. The familiarity of those images is meaningless. As a veteran of the Internets, I can tell you that those are stock images of sufficient infamy that they have PROPER NAMES recognizeable to ANY veteran. Tell them it was Tubgirl, and they ALL know what you mean.

This is getting fucking ridiculous- if whatever idiot is doing this is doing this with TSR encouragement and thinks this is a way to get free sites shut down- it is only giving us more reason to stay going. If this is not TSR related, whatever fuckwit 12 that is doing this needs to have their computer privileges revoked until  they are at least an 18 if not a 32. Poor Sugah .

I am now convinced these hackings have a different motive from the one claimed.  One a lot closer to the site owners than TSR.

Well, SOME Of these certainly seem unrelated. I don't see any Sugah-TSR connection at all, given that this Sugah is largely an unknown on this side of the fence and has no affiliations of any kind with the pirate movement, and the attacks are closer to a conventional script-kiddy MO of vandalize-and-run. Of course, a possible explanation is that the dox list may have leaked out onto the public Internets by now, and therefore this string of attacks is now being carried out by people unconnected to the community, even if its root origin remains TSR. But that is speculation and nowhere close to the reasonable doubt level.

The only thing all these hacks have in common is that they are noticed first and reported by Witchboy.   The one person you can always rely on to be first at the scene of a fire.

*rubbernecks & runs outta the thread* :P

That does seem rather interesting, but how can he be related to all these people?

Actually, I noticed that Sugah's photobucket had been hacked before this thread was posted, so WB wasn't the "first" on the scene.

And Quorneater, Implying that someone without any access to either the Souptition or TSR's Database of possible victims (that we know) could perform leverage based attacks on these people // Or do you know something we don't that would make you spur out these accusations.

Don't you know? I'm Witchboy & my other personalities are Jill & Sugah :P *Not now Jill i'm trying to speak* *Wait your turn Sugah*

The Gray Fatness is postulating that these attacks never actually occurred and are just things made up for attention by a conspiracy of sockpuppets. I do not find this theory very plausible, however.

No, I am going one further now and wondering if Witchboy and co are actually doing it.

Now that I think about it, WitchBoy was rather snappy at me just before my account got hacked. :P


ITS A CONSPIRACY!

Your funny Inge :D I know nothing about hacking. ARRing yes. Hacking no.

;)

Oh no i'm being watched thru my television set. I'm busted!

*pulls out tin foil hat*

:P

Exceptional technical skills generally stand out, in my experience computer whizzes like sharing that they are computer whizzes with everyone they can (take Pescado for example)

To this point I have not seen WitchBoy exhibit anything that suggests he's also a Master hAxx0r WxrD

All these attacks have been restorable, and restored, to pre-hack status in under an hour of happening.  A really clever hacker who was a true enemy of the site would have caused more damage.   These are token hacks (some of them possibly self-inflicted or invented) in order to create suspicion around TSR.    This will ultimately be counter productive.

Firstly, if I had hacked my own site, why would I have used a backup over a week old.

Now this I have to say is utter bullshit: I spend over a WEEK finding images and attachments that went missing on my forum, in fact to this day there are still some threads locked away in the staff section that are still missing there attachments that I need to find.

What about my Photobucket, with hundreds of images of creations, holidays and pets that I couldn't ever get back. In case you didn't notice (as far as I know) not a single person who has had there photobucket account hacked has been able to restore a single image, even with the help of Photobuckets customer "support."

Stop shit stirrring.

This part i will agree with you. No real damage was done & has been restorable to a point.

Edited to add...

ShanOw is right. PB accounts are not restorable & those items once gone are lost forever if you didn't have backups on your HD. As with ShanOws PB account & mine all images were lost. Same with my Mediafryer account. I lost 75% of everything i uploaded to Mediafryer. Over 4 GB of goodies gone!

As for forum attachments again ShanOw is right. Same with his/her forum once attachments are lost (especially older attachments that have been there for years) there gone for good unless you had backups on your HD. Over on GSC there were attachments (creations) made by members years ago, some who are no longer a part of GSC, but all their creations are gone after the hacking & are also lost for good.


Believe me Jill & Sugah know nothing of hacking & would not do this to themselves. Jill i've known for years & Sugah is part of the Salfin Sims Network. I do not see them doing this for attention.

Your assumption is that these attacks are being carried out by a clever hacker, rather than a hamfisted idiot with convenient access to inside information. If the Atwa connection is at work here, there is absolutely no evidence to suggest Atwa is capable of subtlety or even long-term thinking. As many hosting providers and backup systems are effective against mitigating the damage from such annoyance attacks, it is not surprising that these can be repaired easily.

I don't find this a plausible theory on the grounds that it is too tinfoil hat, and there are too many attacks on disparate groups, some of which have no connection to either side. However, I'm coming to the belief that TSR is no longer really directly responsible for any of this, and that the real problem is that the genie is out of the bottle. At least one party, although not proven to be related to the attacks at all, has proven they are willing to solicit outside help to execute these attacks. While an attack requiring wizardry is still very unlikely in such a scenario (wizards don't really care to be someone else's personal army), it is quite possible that the DB has fallen into the hands of public script kiddies that are now carrying out some or all of these attacks independently, without any oversight from anyone still associated with TSR. Pandora's Box was opened, and there's no way back even if TSR wanted it to stop.

So if your theory is correct, put simply,

Script kiddies could have access to the personal information of everybody with a shared TSR password

My only nitpick is that its always the same things that are targeted (forum admin account, forum database, file-sharing accounts - Mediafryer/Rapidshare and Photobucket), if these were all random unconnected attacks then how do you explain why there is no variation between methods. Everything, even the collection of images used are totally identical.

Yes. It is my belief the database could have leaked to the public by now, given that Google has already turned up evidence that at least one party is willing to solicit offers.

That is rather interesting, yes. Not ALL of the attacks have done so, though. And the collection of images isn't too meaningful, because Tubgirl and Goatse are stock, popular images.

I am only talking about this particular outbreak, all of whom are connected to witchboy as in they are all friends or ex-friends of each other.  I have my reservations, but none of them are triggering my TSRdar.

The ones that do not fit this criteria have been discarded by you as general "netwar crap." The four seemingly unconnected attacks on Sugah, Witchboy, Sunhair and myself all fit the above criteria.

On second though, could it be that the Photobucket hijackings are being done by a generic "script" that is available that uses the same images, and simply replaces them with the pron ones. That would fit the script kiddie scenario perfectly as well. If they were all in the same place to get there hands on the TSR db then it would be safe to assume that they are too armed with the exact same scripts for performing the hackings.

Who's the ex-friend? Yes Jill is my friend & i've known her, everyone on GSC & Simvention for years. I do not know Sugah personally. I only know of her through the Salfin Sims Network. I've been with GSC since the TS1 days. I became more involved with GSC when TS2 rolled out & was promoted from just a creator to creator/mod.

Well gee let's see...

1. I am a known pirate/file sharer & publicly speak out about it.

2. I happen to belong to sites that are known as file share/pirate friendly (Simvention, GSC & Sunhairs) & i just happen to be a creator/mod at all 3.

3. Read my Sig on those 3 sites i belong too (and quite a few others) & it points to PMBD/Booty, Antonella's & Coconut.

Antonella by the way torrents TSR files.

Edited to add....

Just thought i'd add that Jill (Sunhair) is also a part of the Sailfin Sims Network as is Sugah.

Well, it does look a bit suspicious that 2/3 of the sites you staff have been hacked :D

Just stay away from my sites lol, you appear to be jinxed :(

ROFLMAO :D

Not jinxed :P It's just a known fact that the TWAT has had it in for me ever since she busted me sharing TSR files on Sims File Vault.

;)

LOL, trying to keep the Twats away from you, must be the story of your life...


Good for you for sharing files, You know what they say - Sharing is caring :)

ROFLMAO :D

Inge you know i respect you as a creator & programmer but, this accusation is completely ridiculous ::) LOL I couldn't hack my way outta a paper bag. Anyone here on PMBD or any other site i belong to who knows me knows i'm not that kind of person.

& yes i was hacked along with ShanOw back in July 2009 Johan.

Uh Oh! Our names were mentioned in the same sentence, maybe we're co-conspirators.

**Xfiles Music**

Well you know what they say hon, Birds of a feather flock together :D

Ok so all these little incidents were connected to eachother, same methods, probably same hacker. It doesn't prove it was TSR though, but it's still possible.

Would a TSR rogue change their way of working (script kid like attacks), in reaction to Pescado's examinations and conclusions of hackings, just so they can do damage, but also avert the attention from TSR? Or even implicate Witchboy or a group of pirates/friends to take attention away from TSR for some juicier drama?

What I would like to know is if GaySims2Club was also somehow connected to one of you who had their emails hacked.

<= Points WitchBoy
..He's a mod there, so lets blame him.

I am a creator/mod at GSC & yes my e-mail associated with GSC is just one of the accounts i have that was hacked back in July 2009. What the hacker did was went in & turned off pop forwarding in the e-mail settings so i wouldn't receive any e-mails in outlook alerting me to the various other accounts that were being hacked into (The changing of e-mail address, passwords etc).

I happened to be away camping in Palm Springs at that time too.

Thanks for this info. You're a mod but mod powers are very limited so what could you even have done to cause such destruction. Does Scotty even seem like someone who'd willingly have his site destroyed just to implicate TSR?

Nope, Scotty hasn't been involved in any drama regarding the Pay/Free debate - at least that I know of.

GSC is Scotty's baby & in no way would he ever do something like that to destroy the wonderful community he has built up on his site. I have known Scotty since TS1 & know that he would never allow anything of the sort. So in answer to your question, no he is not someone who would willingly let GSC be destroyed just to implicate TSR.

Edited to add...

He may be pirate/file share friendly but as ShanOw has pointed out he's tried to stay away from the community drama. That's until the Yakov drama last year & now the hacking of GSC.

*waves to Scotty*

I just wouldn't rule out TSR. They seem more than a little...uhh..intent on not only uncovering coconut's identity, but also discrediting her. This could be part of that ongoing process. Who knows? Maybe they're cross referencing information obtained from various hacked sites, or maybe they're simply trying to get a reaction out of her.

It's also just occurred to me that, on more than one occasion, I've seen Witchboy ask coconut for clarification and she's shown up and responded accordingly. If I've noticed their Lois Lane-Superman bond, then it's possible someone else has and is trying to exploit it. Maybe that's why Witchboy is finding himself tied to the tracks so often.

(you're Lois, WB -  :D )

Let's be fair, here. We're also talking about Inge. Inge has a teacosy on her head. She thinks I am 3 people and live in my mother's basement. She thinks my wife is a blow-up doll. She comes up with some pretty outlandish conspiracy theories, which are not even consistent within themselves.
(http://cats.moreawesomethanyou.com/conspiracy.jpg)

Well of course! Who else would i be? :D


I don't see how that can be when your sitting right here next to me at this very moment using the very same computer to type out your responces :D

And you have lots of cats, don't forget the cats.

Time will tell :)

Just who is this directed at?

Why you would accuse me of hacking of all things is beyond me. Weren't you yourself DOS'd last year hence the move of all your tools to MTS2? Like i said before, anyone on PMBD or any other site i belong to who really knows me, knows i am not what you accuse me of being.

But thank you for the lulz LOL :D

(http://thewebatom.net/content/hotlink/hore-atio.jpg)

I've actually been done twice - one DOS and one database assault, but I have reason to believe it was much more in line with what I have suggested in these recent threads (ie related to a local personal issue) than anything to do with either random hacks or a corporate action.  Notice I didn't make any huge public outcry as I was aware the entire issue began and ended locally and was not a matter of public interest.  I could have easily taken the opportunity to implicate someone high profile and unpopular.

Since Inge seems to have a love-hate relationship with TSR AND PMBD, maybe she's the one who did the hackings. :P

When the situation benefits her, she cozies up with Johan. At other times, she hates TSR and comes here to talk smack about them. Sorry, Inge, you're looking quite the hypocrite right now. Your credibility has completely gone out the window as far as I'm concerned. Your comments are null and void.

Well, it's Inge. She is speaking of a subject that she has absolutely no understanding of, because she's all goody-two-shoes and has no understanding of how being evil works. Me? I know how the bad guys operate, because I know how to fight dirty. This, however, seems rather petty and needlessly destructive of potentially valuable intelligence assets, exactly the kind of hamfisted move you would see from script kiddies and assorted amateurs. I am more what they call "Gray Hat".

True you could have.

But just as to why you are pointing the finger at me now concerning the resent hackings is completely lulzy :D

The reasons for my posting about the incidents are...

1. I was hacked.
2. The peeps who are being hacked now are not only places i am a member of but are also my friends.
3. To let other peeps in the community know about the recent events & to pass on any information i have about said events. I'm certainly not going to be quiet about it.

But anywho, i've been up way past my bedtime. Actually i've been up all night. It is now approaching dawn & i must get into my coffin before the birds start chirping & the sunlight hits me LOL

Nighty Night!

Dear minionsRmine, your world is so black and white that if you have one disappointment with a company you think everyone in it is evil and everything that company does is evil?  Do get a perspective.  Point to anywhere where I have said TSR are entirely evil and that I therefore would not be up for a cosy chat with Johan?   The chat snippets recently posted were in a room whose logs are published for anyone to read, just like this forum.   You can see that what I said in that room is pretty much exactly the same as I have said in here and vice versa.

Inge, with all due respect, you are full of shit. I would never hack my own site. Or ANY site. Why would I delete almost the entire Artists Workshop section? Just for the attention? I was devastated when the GSC was hacked. I have fought hard over the years to stay away from the drama and bullshit. But I will handle it when it does come my way. I am not about ready to create more drama for myself by hacking my own fucking site. So please, do me a favor and stop talking out of your goddamn ass.

None of my friends would do this either. I dont know who did it, and I really no longer care. I dont know what your problem is, but I dont want to hear it.

You have 800+ posts on what is basically an anti-TSR forum, and then you believe for some reason that it is unjustified to be called a hypocrite when it is clear you spend a lot of time talking to one of the head honcho's of PMBD enemy #1


^^No idea where I found that quote nor how it got into my quotes database, but it seemed apt :P

Since when did posting on here form some sort of contract to be a pirate and think like the pirates do?   I guess that makes Johan a hypocrite since he posts here and one assumes he cosies up to himself as well as Thomas.   Or is it ok as long as his post count remains under 800?   Lol have you even *read* any of my 800 posts?  Have I ever sounded like an anti-paysite militant?

I happen to find Johan a very likeable and intelligent man and always enjoy chatting to him.  So now you know :)

No you sound like a fence hopper. BTW Love your signature Inge ::) Oh noes i must be stopped :D Just what must i be stopped from doing?

You started the trend ;)

I've read quite a bit of it actually, thanks for asking :)

I sat down once with a cuppa and read the whole FFFSS.org thread, where once again your pontification and "class system" on free sites managed to get you a new anus miraculously created.

If you aren't here because you don't like paysites, then why are you? Is it because you like manipulating the community? Is it because you love stirring shit and creating drama? Or (and my personal favorite) is it because you believe your opinion of other is so damn important that it must be heard in all four corners of the internet?

Step back for a moment and think about your accusations. You believe that Scotty, Sugah, Sunhair, WitchBoy and Myself all hacked our own accounts and sites for the attention? Or do you believe that WB somehow got access to my password (when I had never even spoken to him) and hacked my site; that as far as I know he had never heard of.

Your accusations make no logical sense and methinks you should go slander the good names of people who give a crap.

**End Rant

Hehehe ;)


*Gives ShanOw a Standing Ovation*

Do you feel as if I am manipulating the community?  My head will get too big for my lovely new teacosy if you tell me I have that much influence lol.  I think some sort of prank has been going on, yes, that's what I think.   I could be wrong, but why should I lie about what I think?  Now *that* would be hypocricy.

Wait? Wasn't i off to bed? Ok this time i am really off to sleep. I think? :D

She's here to take our sights off TSR. Zongzzz, diversion tactics! Sample convo, Inge & Johan.....

<Inge> Watch this, Johan. I'm gonna make them fight with me so that you boys can hack someone else!!
<Johan> Inge, you are so witty.
<Inge> I know! I'll be back, Johan.. don't change that channel.
[Meanwhile, Inge posts on PMBD, MATY, and anywhere else where she thinks that her dung can fester the following, "Oh noezz, a lightbulb just went off in my head! I know who the hacker is! My crystal ball just told me it's that Boy that's the Witch!!11 You know, the one guy who always posts about people getting hacked. He's teh haxx0rzz!! I don't have ANY PROOF WHATSOEVER, but I just know it's gotta be him because I know EVERYTHING!"]

<Inge> *links Johan
<Johan> Inge, will you join TSR and ride off with me into the sunset?
<Inge> I'm not finished riding the fence yet, Johan. But trust me, you'll be the first to know.... Unless I plan on telling the pirates first. I've not decided yet.

Adding lines to your sig, I would suggest. -  :D


ShanOw, all I can think to say is hubba hubba. Talk dirty to Inge some more!

Yes, that could be why I said it :) Unlike a certain person in this thread, I don't say something when I actually mean something else. To clarify, what I mean is you are always trying to move the community in the direction you want. And yes, unfortunately you are that influential - hence why I'm trying to shoot down your blatant lies right here before someone with half a brain less that you takes them to heart.

Also, I love the way you ignored the rest of my post. Now quit babbling and trying to confuse the situation and answer how you can honestly believe five unconnected people somehow orchestrated a giant synchronized attack (on themselves) over a six month long period.

But what you think really doesnt matter, does it?

(http://i896.photobucket.com/albums/ac163/witchboy1962/Macros/OCoconut.jpg)

No.  No, it doesn't!  :)

Well, evidently, we can very safely say that it is not Witchboy or Shanow, or very likely any other pirate.  And Quoneater isn't a fence hopper, she is a fence sitter. There is a subtle difference between the two, you understand. Not that I see anything wrong with that.

Right now it seems that there is suddenly a great deal of finger pointing going on.  One could almost call it a witch hunt. Our little haXXo2 friend must be laughing his/her ugly little head off right now.

So we're looking for a reason why some gay boys would attack themselves, and not in the good way. In other words, we need a mo mo.

(http://i49.tinypic.com/98wzl1.jpg)

If you want to blame something on someone else, you need to treat yourself the way they would treat you, or it's not gonna look convincing.   I mean if I wanted people to believe my site had been hacked I would post stuff like "Inge is a gray fat manipulative hypocrite"

I would NEVER think anything like that of you Inge. I think your annoying as hell, and you get on my ever last nerve, but I am WAY too nice to say something like that. But, I'm glad you said it anyway. :)

Nope. If I popped in over at Simlogical and saw that message, I would just automatically assume that one of your more vindictive personalities had pushed aside all the others and would probably be in control until the next traumatic event caused a reshuffle. I'd also wager that you could suddenly play the jazz saxophone and taken to smoking long, long cigarettes (no doubt, in an effort to kill Inge).

I am here Lois  ;)

  I do not think for one second that Witchboy has any involvement in these hackings, he has no motive, and neither does any other 'pirate' for that matter. It is a possible scenario that some sites may simply shut down or ‘give up’ after such attacks, this would not be of any value to the ‘cause’. It would also be quite futile for a ‘pirate’ to attack or pretend to be attacked for the sole purpose of blaming TSR, TSR have been quite adept at shifting the blame with smoke, mirrors and the occasional use of a pawn, and they will continue to do so until they make another mistake that can not be covered so easily.

  It would serve more of a purpose for them to attack TSR, although TSR have claimed such attacks have happened, NO damage was ever done in any of these supposed attacks. This is a perfect example of the theory expressed here where hackers attack themselves with no actual damage being caused.

  Some of the attacks were made using the same ‘paid for’ proxy server as used by Thomas and Atwa. No one knew about the server details until after the hacks, Witchboy and everyone else outside of TSR would have had no way of knowing it.

  It has occurred to me that the randomness of the latter attacks could be a case of mis-direction, if we go back to the attack on MTS, on the buggyboo account, the motive was quite clear, as the attack was solely to remove evidence of the theft of her work by a TSR FA. Recent attacks however, are quite random, with no clear motive, which could point to these being scattered attacks to hide the true intended victim(s) and the motive behind it.

  Tom and the team have been behind a similar website hacking in the past, unrelated to the freesite/pirate movement. It was a hacking seen by them at the time to be of benefit to TSR, although the end result did not work out quite how it was intended to. This attack is not of my concern, and I am certainly not going to put my neck on the block, so to speak, to give details on something I do not care to be involved in. Tom, Johan and the team know exactly what I am talking about.  

  It was around this time that a post appeared on a certain hacking site, one of the posts that has recently been discussed somewhere here. Tom brought our attention to the post, and among other things, I had major concerns that he saw it so quickly after it was posted, it was as if he was already hanging around that site for a response to a certain something else posted..?  I spoke to Calalily about this that night via PM on LJ and aired some concerns, before I got a reply, my LJ was deleted by a Swedish IP, traced to TELIA MOBILE NETWORK SERVICES, in Stockholm.

  Tom, weeks  later, commented he thought that one of the posts ( The one asking for Pescado to be hacked ) was made by the person that TSR had hacked because the site owner would have thought he was hacked by Pescado.  I have always been in two minds as to whether that was really the case, or whether Tom was covering because he made that post himself. As for the post asking for TSR to be hacked, I had put that down to a misguided kid seeking revenge for the initial post. Regardless of who posted what, which is not really important, my point is that TSR have hacked in the past, for reasons they saw as justified and I fully believe they would hack again. My only reservations are how many of them are involved this time, and what are we being mis-directed from.
 

I still think Pescado has the most probable and credible theory - that the list with unencrypted TSR passwords was leaked or given to script kiddies who are now enjoying themselves with hacking into random people's accounts.

And you know what? That pisses me off NO END!  >:(  Because of TSR stupidity and/or arrogance my password and that of a whole lot others are now in the hands of people who are only out there to wreck havoc. Thank you very much, TSR, for not having the sense to encrypt a database with such a load of information. Morons!

And them I'm not even addressing the issue of how that list came out of the database in the first place, and who might have passed it on to the script kiddies. Double morons!

Well, shit. Why won't they leave her alone? I've never even heard of the place until now, and from what I've heard she's not part of the drama chain. Someone's just trying to be a dick. Pisses me off too, mostly because they won't QUIT.

  I agree that it may be possible that TSR have passed un-needed parts of their unencrypted DB to ‘script kiddies’ in order to create a diversion, however for the most part I do not believe this applies to a great deal of the hackings - as that would mean they would have not only shared their M.O. of Photobucket/Mediafire attacks but would also have shared the actual type of photograph used in the defacements. I find the argument of all the script kiddies coincidently using the same defacement as TSR unconvincing, but I concede that other styled attacks may have been as a result of a partial ‘leak’.

Because you have done a great job of treating people fairly haven't you? Has WitchBoy ever jumped out out you with wild accusations claiming you are some sort of criminal... I highly doubt it, you have treated him like utter crap and then have the audacity to give the whole "treat people how you want to be treated" speech.

"He was at the scene of the crime, clearly he must be guilty and had to be stopped!" - sound familiar.

At this point you seem to be the only one who doesn't believe obvious evidence.

Are you kidding? Goatse? Tubgirl? Those are CLASSIC choices. People goatse websites all the time!

You say that with disturbing fondness of the images.

(http://cats.moreawesomethanyou.com/firstgoatse.jpg)
See The 8 Stages Of Goatse (http://www.the-elite.net/ClarkPage/Phases/) (Safe, no actual Goatse).

And like a genie in a bottle coconut is summoned to blow dust in our eyes ;D
Nothing of it can be verified but it sounds believable. Who knows, perhaps it fools someone.

Was there something you didn't want us to see Witchboy?

I have nothing to hide. Why you would think that is beyond me. I'd believe Pescado & Coconut 1st, way before i'd believe anything you or tsr had to say anyday.

And if you must know, i called on Coconut to get his/her take on the situation.

After all i am Lois dontcha know :D

I've been hanging around here for a little more than a year.  I'm not saying that TSR has anything to do with the recent hackings.  However, is it any wonder that people would accuse them first?  They've already been known to make people's private info public.  And somehow Atwa keeps getting into TSR without their knowledge. ::)  The incompetence is extraordinary.

And then Inge comes here in another thread to stir things up, and then in this thread to cuddle up to johan.  Sorry if I'm confused.

I'd believe witchboy and shanow and all before I'd believe anything concerning TSR and Inge.

Changed my mind.  I think ShanOw did it.  She's far more worried about what I said than Witchboy seems to be.  Credit to Witchboy for keeping his cool, I say.    8)

Is this a joke?

It depends.  Do you have a sense of humour?

Give it a couple of days someone will be trying to pin this on Keyser Söze.

And you know ALL about fooling people, dont you johan?

It was wrong of me to insinuate you had something to hide, i was a little ticked off by the coconut story and got carried away.
You just rubbed the bottle so to speak and shouldn't be blamed for what happened after.
For what it's worth i'm sorry about that, i don't think you or anyone else actually hacked yourselves.

Besides fooling us, Scotty, he's apparently attempting to distract us by any means possible.  I'm still sitting here trying to figure out the whole genie/dust/eyes connection.

What the fuck?

Oh, and by the way, johan. Since you've already verified the credibility of coconut's information on at least one previous occasion (that would be when you admitted that you and the rest of your friends were trading people's personal information like it was baseball cards), it really isn't very believable when you claim that she's the one attempting to deceive us. Duh.

Firstly its he, secondly - I have absolutely nothing to hide and I'm only super-defensive because I'm allergic to bullshit.


Do you think this or do you know this..?

(http://i896.photobucket.com/albums/ac163/witchboy1962/Macros/bullshit-bag_1.png)

LOL @ WitchBoy - I have to save that one for later :D

 :D I'm sure the 3 stooges, aka johan, Thomas and Steve, have gone through many of those bags over the years. ;)

There are a couple of things going on, wich I think are:

We just watched him make a 180 degree change of opinion about Witchboy for no apparent reason and the same 'evidence' present. Why?

You could imagine that the one posting under 'Johan' has consulted 'Team Johan', and was basically told not to take a stance on this, to preserve the image 'Johan' has built up in this community. Blisfully unaware and naive about what his family does, believing in them 100%, and a rational thinker who does not lash out like Thomas does.

Somehow, that makes this poster look more sympathetic, or trustworthy. Especially with Pescado backing this image of 'non-artiste-ness'. Except he doesn't accept that Team Johan has artistes in it, and 'Johan' is very much willing to protect them.
With what I gather from Coconuts blog and 'Johan's' behaviour here, he is indeed 'Team Johan'. The way he appears only when there is trouble for TSR's image on the horizon.

He even apologized for the happenings in the past, the sharing of personal information, wich he first said never happened then said had nothing to do with / didn't know about, wich was a proven lie (there's screenshots of him doing it) so I can imagine he has stated this under 'Team Johan', just like the Myths posting, etc.

This just makes the whole situation more slimey and manipulative to me. Especially since some people are starting to believe 'it' actually acts on it's own and doesn't know what the others of 'Team Johan' are doing, thus does not share their lack of morals and ethics, and has no share in whatever TSR has done in the past. This is very dangerous.

I'm not really a believer in the "Team Johan" theory, mostly because I have spoken with him live in real-time chat, where he would not have had sufficient time to consult with a "panel". On the other hand, I think he's largely clueless about what goes on in the TSR political scene and really has no idea what is going on, so what he says doesn't really represent anything other than himself. If he denies anything, his denial really only extends as far as himself. He strikes me as being entirely too willing to believe well of those close to him, which means his grasp on what is going on over there is probably tenuous at best.

On the other hand, a couple of days ago I was complaining to Johan about something Murano did in that same real-time chat, and within moments Murano had arrived wanting to talk to me about what I had just said.   So there is definitely *some* sort of panel not that far away, so Snarky's theory can't be completely poopooed out of hand.

But, Johan has managed to stay in character better than one would normally expect for someone putting on a front.   And he's been very open and helpful with me over various technical matters, and this is helping the whole community - or at least anyone who wishes to use one of the s3pi based tools.

Just as a matter of interest, how are you going to go about stopping me from whatever it is you think I'm doing? Should I be checking my letters for anthrax or jump whenever a car backfires?

ShanOw, yes.   I am currently Googling how to make bombs.

(if the CIA are reading this I am joking)

No No No, please get your facts straight before accusing me of lying.
And no, i didn't make a 180, i never really thought Witchboy hacked himself and i felt it appropriate to apologize for insinuating he had something to hide.
I really don't want to stoop down to that level.

I could have just asked him to go there and take the heat himself?
But i didn't, perhaps he read the log.

Well he could, but the way it happened in that sequence left me assuming you'd raised the issue with him.  Not that it would have been wrong to do so - it would have been natural for you to want to hear what he had to say on the matter.   I was just making the point to Pescado that there is almost certainly a staff chatroom at TSR and there is no reason to suppose TSR team members are not in several channels at once, just like many of us are.   Pescado is given to making definitive pronouncements in such a tone that they sound more definitive than they are :D

So your absolutely certain its me..? I fail to see your logic here to be honest. If I were smart enough to hack sites then I should also be smart enough to know when to shut up and let someone else take the blame.

I WAY overreacted, but in my opinion I feel it was justified. You accused me and people I trust (would even consider friends) of doing something that seriously upset me. I was furious when my site was hacked, In fact my parents forbid me from using the computer until I calmed down. You don't even know me, you just chose to judge me over my personality when I was pissed of. If you had even taken a moment to do some background research you would know that I absolutely LOVE(d) this community, I have spend countless hours sharing my creations for free, helping out other creators in MTS chat (sorry about my friend going off at you earlier, he shouldn't have done that - but you have to realize you've pissed off a lot of people lately). Hell, I even spend hours putting together a search engine for Sims sites. There is no way that I could ever get up one day and decide to attack something I love.

The people who have done this, be they script kiddies or anti-free crusaders - are the people you should be thinking about stopping. Spend more of your time doing good in the community then coming up with your famous conspiracies and turning people against each other. There is no plausible way that I could get the passwords of all these people - the only way I could it if I had access to a giant DB or password, and if I did (and I was the nefarious hacker you think I am) it sure as hell wouldn't be the free community that I'd choose to attack. Heck, it wouldn't even be you - no matter how much of a twitmuffin I think you are.


This has nothing to do with my support of PMBD: Even I feel sometimes that PMBD doesn't achieve much anymore. This has to do with you actively trying to tear this community apart. If you don't like the place, then please leave. From the response you've got over the last few days from the members don't you think your company isn't welcome here?

All the best - Oh, and thanks for skyrocketing my site traffic, apparently being evil and requiring "stopping" is good for ones image :D

You're not a MATY regular then?   I had special training as part of becoming a Senator.

I'll admit that's an improvement, but I still don't know of any friend that would hack my site and half a dozen others... I follow Pescado's highlander rule you see.

I would like to know whether you have a clue as to what "friend" is attacking me. Do you have any genuine information or is this more smoke and mirrors?

I never did have any information that wasn't given in these forums.  The pattern and result of hacking *as described* added up to what I have seen so often - a prank.  It doesn't tell me who was carrying it out, the syndrome neither rules in nor rules out frank self-perpetration.

My signature currently refers to your friend in MTS chat who you say shouldn't have said something - not that anything that was said there seemed particularly offensive to me.  I could go back to talking about carpet tacks and globules if you'd find that less worrying.

Fascinating! I'd love to hear all about the wonders of carpet tacks and globules :D

*pulls up chair, grabs popcorn & a cold drink*

I don't believe the 'Team Johan' think either. For two reasons.

Firstly, I think Johan is a grown up man and entirely capable of speaking up on his own.

Secondly, because if the whole TSR management has to consult and agree on a strategy every time Johan makes a post here or at MATY, it would take up an enormous amount of their time. Time that would then not be spent running TSR and making money off Sims stuff. I don't think that's realistic.

Of course they talk about these things. They have to. But I find the suggestion that Johan is just a sock puppet for a panel of TSR management and certain FA's rather farfetched.

And of course he only comes here when there is trouble for TSR. At all other times there really isn't any reason for him to snuggle up with pirates, is there?

Ofcourse he is, but he has a financial and emotional interrest in protecting TSR's reputation. If the consensus among team Johan is made, all he needs to do is to act that out untill something new comes up.

Me neither, and that's not really what I said.
How long does it take to go on some chat program, decide on a general consensus, and only contact someone whenever something new comes up? Which is not very often, mind you. All that's been up for discussion lately are a few hackings. I'm sure Johan knows exactly how to react to stuff according to what they agreed to.

You don't really have to act like a total sockpuppet to agree on saying or not saying something, or agree on acting a certain way to keep up an image. I'm sure Johan is Johan, but I'm also sure he will do nothing to harm TSR, and to do that, you have to have the same story all the way. And a way to avoid mismatching stories, to to eliminate all other higher ranking TSR 'representatives' from interacting with the outside (pirate) community, which has happened. They don't bother, and I believe they agreed to stay out of it, as Johan gives off the right image.

Again, why only him? Why would the coder give a damn? The man that never bothered before?
Maybe because he's the only one believable enough, an untarnished reputation, with no real way of knowing if he shares his friends' and family's morals or ethics? It's ideal.

 Just how large do you think the office is?

(http://i49.tinypic.com/14ugjmb.jpg)

How close would Tom and Johan have to be?

(http://i47.tinypic.com/16a3yis.jpg)

This close?

 If some people want to wear Team Johans custom knitted woolen blinkers I can not change that, but lift them up once in a while, as over use can damage your eyes.

Coconut, u r Tug & I claim my $5.

Dudes you're totally running TSR out of your mom's attic? No way!

*snorts*

After seeing those pics, it's even easier to picture them sitting around and "teaming" up to fuck with people's heads.

"You've got Inge? Good, I'll handle the pirates."

Totally plausible.

I can name Thomas, Johan (and I think possible steve) in that pic, but who are the other two?

The one with the beard is Inge.

No? Oh my mistake :D

And why should you have to?  Your evil twin brother is already in the muck.  There's no sense in you getting dirty too.  You are, afterall, their PR person at this point.

But whatever, right?  Keep cashing your paycheck that is paid by the people you and tsr are scamming.  They don't need that money.  You're actually doing them a service of taking their money.  They'd spend it on stuff that are from the devil!  Hookers and booze!  Dude, you are totally saving their souls from eternal damnation.  You are practically a saint!

This is getting silly and i won't go down there. Which is probably what you want so you can beat me in your own backyard.
While we're at it, can we have funny pictures with cats to?

Do we do the cat stuff here?  That may be a MATY phenomenon.   I like to make my own each time, whereas Pescado is the laziest - he constantly regurgitates a few favorites.

Back to the photographs - who is that in the corner, looks to be sewing a huge green quilt?

Can we just take the tinfoil hats off.

What No No No is describing is completely normal, rational and responsible behaviour by any adult who is part of a group – be it a business, an organization or a family. A problem comes up. You discuss it. You decide how to handle it. If anybody here thinks that’s a devious, suspicious or just bad way of handling things then I’m glad I don’t have to interact with you in real life.

It doesn’t matter how big the TSR office physically is. I’m talking about time here, not space. And constantly discussing what Johan should post or not post would take time – too much time when you’re running a serious business.

Besides if you look at the time of a lot of Johan’s post here or at MATY they’re made very late at night – often past midnight. You’re not going to tell me that the whole TSR management sits around in their office at that hour?

I think the coder gives a damn, because anybody would eventually get fed up with the accusations levelled against TSR. Particularly if you actually thought they were wrong. I suggest going back to read the ‘TSR: In your accounts’ thread where Inge points out that it was originally her who advised Johan to come here and speak out, because he was ticked off about what he thought was lies.

Can anybody come up with just one good reason for Thomas to come here? No? I thought as much.

Can anybody imagine what would happen if Thomas did show up here and tried to talk about this? I can. It would be total mayhem with nothing but accusations and nastiness – like what missangelica presented in her latest post in this thread. It would serve no purpose whatsoever – neither piratey nor TSR-ish. Except for those who are just waiting for somebody to vent their frustrations on, of course.

Finally, just for the record: I don’t wear any woollen blinkers. But you’re not going to make me wear a tinfoil hat, either. I think they look quite ridiculous.

PS Inge, yes we do cats here. There’s a whole thread about them over in Sharkbait.

Yeah, that's an argument against the "hive mind" idea. Sure, they have an office and talk, but Johan seems to show up during times which not always standard office hours. And obviously, he believes these accusations are untrue...but at the same time, he can only speak for himself, and clearly not the entireity of TSR. I haven't found any evidence that he, personally, has committed any nefarious acts, but again, he isn't the entireity of TSR, and clearly there is stuff they don't tell him about.

You're right.  It is getting ridiculous.  It's been, what, six years since Sims 2 was released and the cesspool that you belong to still exists.  It also matters little to me exactly how much you know.  Ignorance is not an excuse.  You are in the muck with your brother just by being part of the tsr team and keeping the site up.  How?  Because you don't have to get your hands dirty or do anything that you feel is morally offensive to be responsible.  Your inaction to prevent your brother from sharing users information, for example, is approval of what he does.  

What does this matter though, right?  No blood is being spilled.  You guys are just offering a service!  You have done so much for the community!  That's what you think, right?  Just because the money that you are taking doesn't have blood on it doesn't mean it's not wrong.  You have no right because it all belongs to EA.  

And hey, you know what?  If you guys have enough money to build Thomass a second *house*, how about you use that money to finance a game that would be tsr's?  You could actually be legitimate for once.

Moune, no matter how normal you think it is to:
- pull back all public community contact from 'tarnished' people with the 'problem' community and only let one guy handle this image thing, namely the guy with no image problem
- make sure the lies match so that you can protect TSR
- make people believe you have no idea what's going on, that you would never agree to what Thomas is accused of doing, and that you are simply naive and believe your family and friends to not have shared the member database while all other options are extremely unlikely if not impossible
... I still think it's slimey and manipulative.

Anyways the point I'm trying to make is: This man is from TSR. Messed up things have happened. He claims he knows nothing. Why should we believe him? How do we know he did not know, when he has been proven to know and participate in one atrocity that's been bad enough? Just because he talks smooth and seems like a nice guy?

And sure Johan, you seem like a decent enough guy. But with how TSR has manipulated in the past and how they operate, I simply do not trust you to tell the truth on certain things. Ever. Even if you are shiney.

I am actually less likely to trust the people that are all shiny- the shiny ones are usually coated in pan spray or covered in Saran Wrap and Trash Bags to keep the shit they are covered in from sticking.

Well, let's look at the facts. Either he's not as shiny as he appears, and therefore, he will lie, or he is as shiny as he appears, and in any event, has admitted he has no idea what is happening, which renders most of what he says about the matter meaningless. Either way, he is not mounting an effective defense of TSR as a whole. I'm willing to believe him simply because I've already tried to pin stuff on him without any of it sticking to him personally, but like I said, he's also admitted he doesn't really know. If he was dishonest about that, such a move renders his defensive efforts worthless. If he was honest about hit, his defense of TSR is still meaningless. Whether true or false, what he has said has effectively crippled his defense of TSR.

Responsible? Like when johan and his brother shared the personal details of their members with FA's? I bring it up (yet again) to point out that we're not dealing with particularly "responsible" individuals.


They wouldn't have to be "constantly" discussing it in order for coconut's accusations to be correct.


If you can present time cards which show when various staff members at TSR punch in and out, you might have a point. Otherwise, I've worked well past midnight on MULTIPLE OCCASIONS. So, yeah, it happens.


I'm an "anybody" and, strangely enough, I'm not fed up with the accusations against TSR (at least not in the way I think you might mean). What I'm fed up with are the actions of TSR.


Really don't need to as I was present when it was being written. Besides, you're putting quite a lot of faith in someone who pretty much yelled BINGO! when she thought she figured out coconut's identity.


Reason #1) See if he can get any information that might help him discover the identity of coconut. An individual who has placed his paysite in a compromising position on more than one occasion.

Reason #2)Do whatever he can to discredit coconut, the ONLY reliable source of information coming from TSR.

Reason #3) Do whatever he can do to cause trouble at PMBD, the site that is biting into the profits of his family's cashcow.

Those are just three reasons right off the top of my head, Moune.


Which is exactly why it would be in his interest to send a representative to make his case. Regardless, I'm not here to debate issues with Thomas or ANY of his  representatives, I'm here to help stop nefarious paysite activities.


Yes, that we have. -  ;)

Edit - now less harsh.

Come now, let's not be hostile. Let the man talk. If he doesn't know anything, he can't really defend TSR anyway, and if he does know something, he'll blurt it out eventually.

In any event, as far as THIS particular hacking goes, there is no real evidence that TSR was involved at all, as this "Sugah" is not connected with either of us in any way, and has neither confirmed nor denied the TSR password connection, making it entirely plausible that this is simply a totally random incident. And no, Goatse and Tubgirl are not connections. If anyone has ACTUAL evidence or information, let's hear it.

No No No, you need to wake up and face the real world.

Every business, cooperation, government agency and organization of a certain size do exactly this. If they didn’t they’d soon be dead. This is the way things work. Deal with it.

Every business, cooperation, government agency and organization with something to hide do exactly this. If they didn’t they’d soon be dead. This is the way things work. Deal with it.

You have no idea whatsoever if this is the case or not. Stick to facts when you want to accuse people of devious dealings. You own personal speculation is not enough – not to mention that – at least to me – your speculation seem rather farfetched considering what we know of Johan so far.


(Emphasis added by me)
Oh, come off it. Atrocities are massacres, genocide, mass rape, concentration camps and the like. NOT the sharing of private information or hacking a few websites. Man, you’re being twice as manipulative as I’ve ever seen Inge Jones be.



Snarky, please read what I actually write – especially since you’re even quoting me. I said ‘What No No No is describing’ is normal and responsible behaviour. I never said TSR is responsible. Nor the sharing of personal details.


Of course not, if what Coconut is talking about is what No No No is describing in the post I referred to above. Which – I repeat – is completely normal and responsible behaviour. So what’s the problem here?


No doubt it happens that people work late and until after midnight. But Johan only posts here or on MATY when there’s an issue, and you’re not going to tell me that the whole TSR management + whatever FA’s are supposed to be in Team Johan decides to all work until after midnight because a bunch of pirates are in a TSR uproar – for the umpteenth time in a year.


You know very well what my meaning was with that. But if anybody is at the risk of misunderstanding let me clarify by changing it to “because anybody who were at the receiving end of the accusations levelled against TSR would eventually get fed up with them”.


I suppose I should have made it more clear that I wasn’t talking to you, but to No No No – and everyone else who still thinks that Johan is a sockpuppet sent here by Thomas & Co. You might also notice that that was a very ‘un-Inge’ remark,  since it actually put a damper on the drama and that is not what Inge usually does. Therefore I’m inclined to believe that what she said happend.


And none of those reasons are any good. Whatever else you can say about Thomas he’s not all that dumb. He knows that 1) Coconut is too smart to do anything to reveal herself here, no matter how much he tries to provoke her. 2) Nobody here is going to believe anything he says to discredit Coconut no matter how convincing he tries to be. 3) There is NO WAY he can cause trouble at PMBD. It is known to the whole community that we do that all by ourselves.


Well, at least we agree on that very last sentence. But we’re never going to stop nefarious paysite activities unless we tackle that battle in a reasonably sensible and fact-based fashion. Exaggerations do not help the cause. Nor does unfounded speculation. I imagine that’s also why Pescado has forbidden any kind of false flag operations from this side of the fence. We need to keep the credibility. Simple as that.

You need to stop acting hostile and put arguments forth without sounding condescending.  I'm not your enemy. I have a different opinion.

Too bad the image TSR is putting out is one of a friendly fansite and a community, huh?

Too bad the image TSR is putting out is one of  etc etc.
That is not the way things should work for a fansite, sorry. Even if you make money. It's detestable and not normal at all.


So what do YOU base your assumption on, exactly?
If you don't know what you're talking about, just don't comment on it. I'll do you a favour, read this thread and then make up your mind:  http://www.moreawesomethanyou.com/smf/index.php/topic,17802.0.html  
Or, not.
 

*points to upper right corner* Just using whatever termonology's already been used. Really, you need to come off it yourself. You're on a site that deals in exaggerations all the time. Everyone knows paysites are not the end of the world and that Calalilly should not actually be killed (can already feel a Pescado comment coming). You just need something to nitpick about.
 
Look, I have to say one thing. You're adding sneers and sarcasm to your argumentation where's it's completely unnessecary. Just putting down arguments would have been plenty, but it seems you have the need to be condescending to put more power to your arguments.
I don't need the feeling I'm fighting someone when I'm just discussing with someone. And I definately don't like the fact that I've been responding to you the same way, so I apologize for that. But this way of discussing things is really tiring, so if you can stop adding the little jabs, it would be great. If you cannot, my discussion with you just ends here. Frankly, I don't agree with you and I don't really care what you think anymore, because of how you act.

Seems are friendly neighborhood hacker is at it again. This time they hit Basic for Sims. I won't bother to post the info but you can read all about it at BPS.

http://blackpearlsims.com/showthread.php?t=35011

Urgh! I really do feel sorry for her, but come on now people

Site owners, CHANGE YOUR FUCKING PASSWORDS!!!!1EINZ

Oooooooooooh........ you said the F-word........ I'm tellin! :P

:D

My mummy isn't home so HAH!

This apparently senseless spree does sort of lean towards the script-kiddy theory. At this point it doesn't seem like the attacks serve any useful purpose for ANYONE, and so we're either looking at a pattern of general vandalism unrelated to the community at all, or the list has gone out into the wild.

Couldn't this just all be a ruse to throw everyone off from the TSR theory? By hitting random sims sites or peeps all the hackings begin to look like it's just some script-kiddy. Thus the finger is pointing in a different direction & away from TSR.

Well, it's not getting them off the hook for releasing the data in the first place, that's for sure, sio I don't see why exerting additional effort would help.

Are we sure that all these site owners did not sign the petition? I may have missed it earlier, if it's already been stated. Plus, is there ANY way ANY of these site owners could be connected at all? Maybe we are looking to much at a broad picture, and not individual pictures. More specifically, have any of these site owners had ANY contact with Atwat at all? Or even one of her "personalities?"

Secondly, Pes go poke Hec to log into her photobucket! The images have gone inactive on the FAQ.

It could also be that all these site owners use the same password to log into Photobucket & Mediafire that they do on TSR - meaning that they could all be random victims pulled from a giant list of passwords by some script kiddie.

I don't have contact with the Hecuboss. If you have the images, you can zip them up and send them to me and I can repost them on the PMBD servers.

Unfortunately, I don't have the images. Is someone here still in contact with her? Doesn't Paden still talk to her? Or Moune?

Did Moune delete her post that this quote came from?  It's not showing up for me.  

Moune, QQ.  If he gets upset by what I said, it's because of his conscience getting to him.  Unfortunately for him and his brother, I have no website to ddos in retaliation.  I have no photobukkit to hack and spam the beloved Goatse.  I have only a cat fur pattern to steal on MtS2 and if they took that, I'd laugh at them.  It's sad because  Johan probably has the most common sense and a modicum of morality out of all of them.  Since the tea party Inge set up for us to talk to him with logic has not worked, I tried appealing to that morality through telling him that by through his inaction, he's approving of all the shady things his brother does and by association he is just as guilty.  You may not see that as not serving a purpose, but I do.  I would want someone to confront me if I was in a similar situation.  I might be so deep into it that it would take those words for me to realize the evil I was helping perpetuate.  Could I have used a little less sarcasm?  Sure.  Do I think I was making accusations and being nasty?  No.

As for Thomass, I think the consensus in the past was that he has already trolled here.. possibly as nohead.  This is just speculation though, as I'm aware of no concrete proof.  Anyway, there is no real need for him to post on the phorum.  He and his team stalk this phorum and respond to what they want through posts on their website.  Remember Dot posting tutorials on how to spot fake screenshots?  How they finally responded to it getting out about them sharing information?  The bluesoup petition?  And many more examples.

They could be being keylogged?  What I do for my online banking is I don't actually type my password in online (I won't tell you how I achieve this) then if some keylogger had managed to install itself, it wouldn't be able to transmit any useful info.

We know how that works, Inge. They have systems which involve onscreen keypads or Nintendo-style entries for that sort of thing.

So then who would you say is the most likely party to have created a keylogger that is only targeting people in the Sims Community?


- btw, that's not very likely since I'm security paranoid and run several heuristic based programs along side of my traditional Anti-Virus, Anti-Spam, Anti-Spyware and Firewall software, but hey - I suppose stuff can always get through :P

Do we know if everybody who got hacked installed the TSR Workshop - I know Witchboy did, as did it... *Dons Tinfoil hat*

 
 I am in possession of several screencaps that were submitted to me earlier this week. These are from an MSN Messenger conversation that took place on May 8th 2009 which occurred between Atwa and a former friend. During the 1 hour and 20 minute conversation Atwa discusses the list, SHARES the list, acknowledges the list came from a petition of complaint to EA, and when asked who gave it to her she replies “Thomas”
 
 Unlike other similar conversations that I know about and have mentioned, I do have full permission to publish this one. This by no means proof that Tom hacked or even gave the list to her, simply because she said he did, but it has now basically come down to her word against his.

That (if it exists) would explain some of the hackings, but not the people who did not sign the petition

Actually, the petition list basically explains nothing. Petition signers do not generally need to register usernames and passwords, and in any event this information would not be available to the owner of any petition, even if hacked. Other than as a list of who might be worth targeting for hacking, the list itself provides no information useful in performing a hack. There are no usernames, passwords, or any security information in that list. The fact that TSR even HAD the list indicates that something shady occurred, but in and of itself, the list is useless for enabling any hacking, although it IS interesting if true that Atwa claims Thomas had the list and she got it from him, rather than vice versa. On the other hand, Atwa is a known liar, and the word of one liar against another is not exactly determinate of anything. While it establishes a pattern that TSR is connected to those who are willing to hack sites to further their interests, it doesn't prove they performed this specific hacking. Like I said, most likely the password database of people they don't like has been released into the wild, likely through a chain of it being passed around.

I was under the impression that you were required to have an account to sign the petition?

What on blessed earth makes you say this is only happening to the sims community?!?

What over communities are these near identical attacks happening then? I am active in about 5 communities and The Sims is the only one of those that have this problem.

Please list your communities and I will double-check your facts.

There remains no evidence that this incident is connected to anything TSR-related.

@MissBonBon, I lost touch with Hec when she left to attend to her real-life career, although I do know someone that can get hold of her easier than I can. I'll attend to that in the next ten minutes and pass the message on for you, after that it's out of my hands.

Okay, I do not mean to be condescending, so I will apologize for that. Hostile is possibly another matter. I’ll certainly admit that I have not liked you since you waltzed in here in another thread and in your first post started telling everybody here what to do and what not to do. I care even less for your constant manipulation of facts and situations. In fact, I loathe that kind of manipulation.


TSR is a business. That’s the main reason we don’t like them here.

Apart from that, every larger fansite or community who don’t apply the same principles will soon be dead also. Why do you think LyricLee was fired as a mod at MTS2?


I’ll just repeat myself: TSR is a business. That’s the main reason we don’t like them here.


I base my assumption on the discussions I have seen between Johan and Pescado here and at MATY – plus a few other details like Inge’s comment about why he came here in the first place. But the biggest difference between my assumption and yours is that I don’t try to pass mine off as fact. There is always a ‘I think’ or ‘In my opinion’ before anything I believe to be true. You present your speculations as if they are established facts. That is a no-go, because it does a whole lot of damage to the credibility of this place.


Pescado has certain privileges. You are not Pescado.

And I don’t particularly like the ‘atrocities’ up there either, by the way.
 

Yes, you said something pretty much the same last time we disagreed on something. You know, this is PMBD. The place of no sugar coating. We eat each other alive here. If you are uncomfortable with that, then I suggest somewhere nicer like Sapphire Sims or Black Pearl Sims. And then just be happy that you have not yet had Paden on your tail.

I wanted to answer missangelica too, but I have to go and take care of kiddo who’s sick with a fever.

I’ll also try so send Hec an email, but Paden’s channel is probably faster and more efficient.

Will be back later.
(Somebody please post in the meantime, so I won’t get catted for double posting).

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Go for it Moune!

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Hey, who left the speed bump in the middle of the topic? Get that thing outta here!!

Much obliged, kenmlt, Inge and Paden.   :)


Missangelica, I don’t know if you were being sarcastic or if there is a meaning that I missed, but no I didn’t delete that post. I never delete my posts, and if I edit them I try to be very clear about what I edit in and out.


I don’t think Johan would get upset about what you posted. I think he would rather shake his head, ignore it and simply think you were an idiot. I know I react that way to unreasonable exaggeration. It was one reason (of many) that I left my son’s father. I would ask him to please not bring his dirty boots into the kitchen. He would answer by sneering ‘You just want me to walk barefeet in the mud and catch a cold’. Of course I didn’t want him to do that and of course he knew that.

You’re doing the same thing. So you want to point out to Johan that running a paysite like TSR is greedy and wrong. Excellent, and there are loads of good arguments to do this with. Saying that Johan thinks he’s practically a saint because he’s saving TSR subscribers from spending their money on hookers and booze is NOT one of them.

Without knowing Johan very well I’ll pretty much guarantee you that that is a far cry from what he’s thinking. I’m also pretty sure that you know this. So all you’re doing is hurling an insult, and what purpose does that serve?

Again, I’m using myself as an example, but if somebody threw that in my face, I’d just write them off as an idiot and then ignore them.

Here’s the quote, so we all know what I’m talking about:


(Ooooh, and that was a sea lion up there! Much better than a cat!).

*raises eyebrow* Hmph, I like that, cat macros are some of the more popular macros on the internet. Fucking meow. :D

Sorry, Paden. No offence meant. I definitely like cat macros too, but you've gotta admit that guy up there is cute.   :D

None taken, just felt like being a stinker. Cabin fever, I haz it.

 pffffft! Cats don't even have buckets. Now sea lions, they have buckets.

Nope, it wasn't sarcasm.  I didn't see the post that Snarky quoted from.  It was only through his post that I noticed that you wrote about me.  I don't know if the phorum just glitched on my side or what.

And so.. your opinion is only based on one out of the two posts I made and the one you chose is the one you quoted.  Alright.  Now what?

Cats may not have buckets, Ken, but they do have litter pans with which they can store nasty contents within. Those contents can then be flung at paysite owners that dare to show their faces where they aren't wanted while they try to weasel out of things they've done. Cats: they supply the ammunition! :D

Do not speak for me. Ever. If you want to be an alpha female somewhere, do it at your own site, m'kay?   

Meh - catch back up and see infighting.  Guys, its sort of playing into TSR's hands and that of the other paysites when we do this.

Hope moods improve as spring gets here - seems like everywhere I go, folks are sniping with each other. *slinks off to her John Lennon biography and sleep*

*pats your shoulder comfortingly*  I wouldn't worry about it.  It's just Moune criticizing us about how we talk to/about tsr again.  I'm not angry or upset over it.  In fact, it makes me genuinely curious.  If her way is so infinitely superior, then why hasn't tsr been destroyed through her way?  I have other questions too, but I'm not the right person to ask them.  I don't have the patience to respond by dissecting her posts sentence by sentence and make the effort to dig through posts to throw out of context sentences/statements back in her face.  I also get distracted by shinies too easily.

I'm sorry you've had to deal with everyone else's moods.  I hope your mood hasn't been soured as well.  :/

  Your hackings ( if they happened ) could not be explained fully by the MSN evidence ( that exists ) connected to the petition list, I have not heard anything to indicate that passwords were ever contained on that list, the copy I have does not contain them, and Atwa has not mentioned collected passwords to anyone I have spoken to, or in the documented MSN conversation.

 The only possible link that could occur would be if Tom ran the emails on the list against the TSR DB and retrieved the passwords from there. However, the list was hacked a year ago, and now it turns out that Atwa was sharing it as early as May 09, so it would seem he has waited a rather long time to put this plan into action if this is the case.

Edited to strike remarks that in hindsight were uncalled for.

Game, set, match!  Up next, team johan!

Thanks coconut.  I'm on that list and I appreciate you posting that conversation.

Well, Moune, I can tell you what I absolutely 'hate' about you too... (Not that I know you but whatever.)

Defending a man that has engaged in criminal activity, and then ragging on people because they don't think it's normal behaviour to try and hide such things? Ragging on people because they don't trust this type of person at all, because he has already engaged in such criminal behaviour? Ragging on people who expect more questionable behaviour in the future, based on things that happened in the past? Ragging on people who expect this man was more involved in things than he lets on, also based on how he was involved with one quite bad thing in the past? And assuming this man does not know anything about shit going on, basically based on nothing but his way with words and current behaviour? With no way of knowing if it's always him, all the time?
And you tell me people base their accusations and/or distrust on nothing?  :o

You know what, since no-one else seems to care about your reasoning behind this, I shouldn't care either. I guess I'll just ignore your posts in the future.

We might just get their Appreciation Society.


If she's reading, I'd also like to thank coconut's source for coming forward. It takes guts. Especially considering the lengths TSR goes to when dealing with anyone who stands between them and money.

Thank you.

Coconut sauce!!  That would be awesome, along with Satay

Hmmm. I must have misunderstood something then. This is Paysites Must Be Destroyed, no? The main reason we don’t like paysites is because … they are paysites – and thus businesses. Or did I miss a change in the overall politics here?


Not really criticizing, no. Just saying that hurling insults is not an intelligent form of communication and doesn’t achieve anything.

I suppose that could be called criticizing. So yeah, alright, criticizing.

What has been intelligent and informative are the discussions between Pescado and Johan here and at MATY. But they would never had taken place if Pescado had adopted the tone missangelica used in the post I quoted above. That's all I'm saying.


Again the subtle manipulation and twisting of facts. For one thing, I’m not raging at ‘people’. I’m raging at you.


You have much to learn about the people who frequents this place and what they care about. By all means ignore my posts. I won’t promise you I’ll extend you the same courtesy, though.

Oh, and I gotta say that what I admire the most about the person who supplied the MSN chat is that she had the stamina to get through that raving conversation with Atwa and still manage to keep her wits about her. I quote: "They have even been outside my home". That's lunacy on a high level, that is.

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Wow, you wouldn't think Anita was much of a racist after reading that, now would you, kids? I'm sitting here just shaking my head in disbelief and hoping that Anita is again making things up because if Delphy were indeed to be on her side, there would be more trouble than I can imagine. (I can't imagine Delphy wanting her garbage posted at MTS, though, they do have quality standards there.) I'm hoping that all of that is one of her delusions. And no, they didn't get all of us pirates because some of us didn't think that petition would get us anywhere. It's been said before and I'll say it again, that woman is nuttier than squirrel shit.

You miss a lot of things, Moune, so let me repeat myself. Do not speak for me. EVER. The last person I want representing me is you.

By the way, the next time you want to accuse another forum member of being manipulative, it would probably be a good idea not to drag your sick kid and sorry-ass relationships into the conversation shortly thereafter. Besides the fact that I, for one, don't give a shit, it might be seen as being just a tad...umm...manipulative. But maybe in your rush to score sympathy points you missed that.

For fuck's sake, that is so below the belt.

Then she should seriously consider keeping her personal shit off the table before she goes on the offensive.

I want to say that I agree with Moune on this:


I don't like it when people try to sound smart in their 1st or so post. This is my 40th (or is it 41st ?) comment, not so far from No No No's, so I'll just shut up now.

Where is this MSN chat then?  I can't see the link to it.

It is at Coconut's blog.

Veles, so you'd much rather have them sound ignorant?  -  ???

For the record, I think No No No has done a pretty good job of stating his opinions.  Bonus! To my knowledge, he's never threatened to flounce out and withdraw his support because the phorum isn't living up to his standards.

No. I'll try to express myself better. :) I don't have problem with No No No's posts at all, sometimes I even agree with them. But the way they're said looks like waltzing to me. Moune said it much better than me anyway.

Even though I kind of understood what you meant, thanks for the clarification. -  ;)

OK, who is supposed to be the negro whore?  I didn't realize Sherrie blackmailed me.  That is interesting.  And when did Gayle's friend teach me how to hack? I don't even know Gayle outside of here and for a very brief while when I was a SA.  Where does she get these ideas? 

This whole chat is frightening, but I have to say it reminds me a lot of the emails and PM's Atwa and I used to exchange.  I would tell her to let things go and she would never listen, just go off on a tirade. 

Thanks for the link, I have read it now.   What strikes me is how unwell Anita seems to be, mentally.  How much credence can we actually give her account?

Even at the root of instability, there must be at least a kernel of truth? Or something that keeps her believing in the delusions. Sad, really, that such devotion couldn't be turned into healthier avenues. Energy like that harnessed into something meaningful would be a wonderful thing to achieve. As it is, it's just wasted time and effort on her side, which is rather pitiful when you stop to think about it. I don't know if I ought to feel sorry for her or disgusted with the way she's been used by TSR, or come to the conclusion that they deserve each other.

Well after reading that conversation between the TWAT & Susan i have come to the conclusion that it was Atwa herself that posted at the hacking forum asking for TSR to be hacked.

See screenshot here in post # 5
http://phorum.mustnotbenamed.com/index.php/topic,2662.0.html

Certainly sounds just like her.

Thing is, with Atwa so embittered, isn't she likely to have a motive to make TSR appear even *worse* than they are, rather than being likely to carry out Thomas's wishes by hacking other sites, she is likely to be motivated to spread rumours against Thomas and TSR that make it look like they wanted other sites hacked.   So if anything I would be biased in the other direction having read these extracts.

Inge, did you even read the conversation?  She LOVES tsr.  She'll never do anything to discredit her beloved site.

I also want to thank the person that submitted that conversation to coconut. I now know  for sure that the petition was hacked.  Since the PetitionOnline. com people won't return any of my emails to them, I'll now file charges.  Have no idea if anything will come of this, but I'm very happy that I've got a place to start.

I did read the conversation, and what I saw in it was an erstwhile love of TSR that had turned to bitterness and resentment due to what she felt had been unfair treatment of her.   There is no enemy as bitter as an ex-lover.

All true: See "Rogue Operator" theory. Of course, without the information to BEGIN with, Atwa would not be capable of conducting any attacks at all. Clearly, then, it follows that if we're going to say Atwa did it, it remains true that at some point someone gave her that password database.

You may be right Inge, but her words were just so filled with loyalty for a site she believed she helped put on the map.  I just don't see her trying to make tsr look bad.  And since you're here, you must be wanting tsr to look bad.....lol

Just to position myself on the paysite issue, I have been trying to give Johan ideas for how they can offer more content free under various conditions without damaging their profits too much.  I would love to see TSR return to a system where every download will be free at some time or another.  I am still in favour of a community where all game content is shared free of charge.  I do have an anti-piracy policy for my own behaviour, however I would not actively interfere with other people who wish to commit pirate acts on software.

Back to Atwa:  I think she was placing emphasis on her loyalty to TSR in order to make more of a case for how badly they treated her.  To make herself look more misunderstood and hard done by.   But to me it seems obvious that at the time these conversations took place her *feelings* had changed, and the loyalty (if she ever genuinely had any) had been replaced by anger and resentment towards TSR or some people within it.

My position is: I don't (can't) file share because I'll be damned before I pay for something, and I don't even download alot of custom content.
But I'm pro free and pro pirate. Especially since Sims 2 or Sims 3 custom content 'piracy' isn't even real software piracy.

And Atwa,.. oh Atwa, Atwa, Atwa... *shakes head*
There's no wonder this (part of the) database got leaked and there's massive script kid attacks on sims sites going on. She'd even share it with her milkman if she had it printed.

The way I see it is Thomas made a huge error of judgement sharing the info he did, and/but I don't suppose for a minute he had anticipated the sheer loose-cannonship that has been perpetrated by this unfortunate mess of a woman.   It just goes to prove the point I have been trying to make to various TSR reps ever since, which is that you do NOT share certain types of data with people you don't have any contractual control over.

If only Thomas would acknowledge openly that he made a mistake and has learnt from it, we could all go back to hating TSR just for being the hugest paysite in the world of simming.  :)

Inge, I think you’re right that nobody at TSR anticipated how far out Atwa would get. That level of nuttiness is rather hard to fathom – particularly from somebody you know. What’s scary is also that this MSN chat took place 10 months ago. Who know’s were Atwa’s mental state may have taken her in the meantime. *shudders*

Oh, and Snarky: I’m not out to score sympathy points. Don’t need them, and if I did I would simply stick to always backing up the consensus here and never speaking out when I think things are wrong. And of course also promise to always support PMBD no matter what happens. I do none of the above.

As for Atwat, that message is disturbing. Especially the part where she kept talking while Susan was away. I mean, back in 15 means back in 15. I honestly could see Atwat enlisting the help of outside hackers to do her bidding.

She actually reminds me a lot of an old friend/enemy of mine. She would tell my boyfriend and I that her husband beat her, and that he wanted a divorce. Then She would tell her husband that our room mate was stalking her. Then told her husband that she wanted a divorce, but told myself that her husband was throwing her out of the house. Oh and that her husband also tried to "rape" her. Of course all of this she contradicted herself on by telling other people the exact opposite.

Atwat strikes me as that type of a person. Someone who just wants sympathy. Someone who just wants people to feel bad for her. Not realizing that 99% of the damage done to herself, is done by herself.

But as for Thomas and Johan. They are either with her or against her. Multiple times she has claimed that Thomas and Johan have been trying to help her get back into TSR. Personally, there HAS to be some truth behind all of this. Or how else would she keep coming back, and almost instantaneously become SA/FA. Thomas and Johan have the ability to keep her out, but don't? Why?

Is it possible she apologised the first time and they just felt sorry for her?  Maybe they thought givning her another chance would give some direction to her life.  I mean I can understand someone feeling sorry for her in spite of how ugly she comes across at times.

Thomas & Co. will never own up to what they did, nor will they ever genuinely apologize. The reason for that is, they are NOT sorry. Their motives are evil. One long look at Coconut's website will show the evil intentions that they have upon anyone who they think might try to thwart their evil plans. They will do anything possible to make themselves look pure and kind-hearted (remember the dying man situation?), but their intentions are not in line with the "customer's" best interest.

And profit? According to the EULA, there shouldn't BE any profiting. I know that argument's older than dirt, but it's still there. I don't know how anyone with half a brain could be pressed to "help" them, after all the evidence that has been stacked against them. There is no helping TSR; they USE you. And once they're done using someone, they're cast off like an old rag doll. I'm not sure why I'm saying this, because I know that stupid is as stupid does. Obviously, you cannot convince someone to not sell their soul to the devil until after they've done it and can't turn back. ;)

But we are on her 4th or 5th time coming back. Once or twice I can see them genuinely feeling bad for her. But by now it's no longer a "chance" but a habit they are developing. Not to mention, every time she leaves she is put into this crazed mental state. It's no longer just TSR doing bad things, but if Atwat is really as bad off as she says she is, then are toying with her mental health. Or what's left of it if you will.

The first one or two or maybe even three times could well be because she apologized and promised to never do it again, but if we’re at number 4 or 5 it does begin to look strange. I don’t know. Numerous women take violent husbands back again and again and that seems equally difficult to understand if you haven’t been in that situation yourself.

And honestly, if I were TSR, I’m not sure I would know what to do to handle Atwa and her craziness. She seems to be in a state where even if – IF – Thomas said clearly to her that he never ever wanted to see her within a 500 meter radius of TSR, she would interpret that as a message of support for herself – only Kath and Tug and the scumbag and the pirates and those outside her home are making him tell her in such a strange way. I mean, judging from the MSN chat she must be completely delusional and has quite lost touch with reality.

PS Missbonbon, that is quite a scary story about that friend/enemy of yours, too.

More likely it is to throw an out of control animal a bone to keep it still for a bit.  TSR Inc. isn't about feelings unless it is to manipulate opinion.  First and foremost they are about control, of their people, of OTHER people, of user made tools and content, of their profit margins.  Otherwise we wouldn't be here talking about them, I'd wager.

Absolutely agree that sharing private info as TSR did (and defended publicly) was and continues to be the poorest, most selfish and egregious decision that should have been strangled at the merest suggestion.  Instead they eagerly handed out shovels and dug their own hole.  But this explains the hold Atwa has over them.  They've long known she's got information she should have never had access to (much of which shouldn't even be collected in the first place) and has shown herself to be wildly flippant in her use of it to somehow get back in TSR's good graces.  

They handed out the shovels and Atwa (if it is indeed just Atwa) is using hers to beat them about the head and neck so they might love her again.  It's almost psychotically fitting.

Handing out that information was one of the most atrocious things they've ever done, to be honest. Think about it. How many people have had their info shared, sites hacked, attempted ID theft going on in their lives because of it? Plenty. The worst part of it continues to be that TSR feels justified, STILL, in doing what they did, even though people are now having, and have had, troubles like that because of their piss poor judgement over who could and could not be trusted. "Nothing personal, it's just business," is more than likely the motto they keep repeating in their heads. The thing is, businessmen, GOOD businessmen, don't behave in a manner calculated to cause harm to someone's credit/identity, no matter the cause. They roll with the punches and move on.

There are books and reports and guidelines written about how to conduct a good business, but from what has been shown, TSR has never seen a one of them. They wouldn't study them if they were handed to them free of charge, because TSR as a business doesn't have a right to exist and deep down, they know it. Sure, it's an off shoot of a parent company, but the selling of pixels for a video game that they do not own is not kosher or legal. So, they use illegal methods to keep and defend their illegal monetary gain.

We've heard the arguments against paysites, hell, we've made many of them here on this forum. But at the end of the day, we at least can feel safe knowing that we wouldn't stoop to doing the crap against them that they have undertaken against us. The only reason TSR exists as it does is to make the almighty dollar. Not for the sharing, not for the learning, not for the community. They could have all of that without the money. Thing is, they want the money so they throw the "community" aspect in there as a bone to keep people coming back and from going elsewhere.

What makes it even worse, I think, is that they're taking money from kids, right? Unless I'm mistaken the site mostly attracts 12's, and that's not cool.

I don't think they accept anything but credit cards, so I don't suppose kids can use it at all.  Which is even more sad in many ways.

PayPal is (or was?) another method of payment.

Just curious. Does anyone know what role, if any, this Susan had at TSR?

It's been said in the past by people I once knew that TSR accepted PayPal. Kids have the damndest ways of getting Mummy and Daddy to pay for things when they nag and gripe long/loud/hard enough; they'll do it just to shut them up and get them out of their ears about it. Too bad the parentals aren't doing any checking up on what their money is going for, though. Another example of the folks not being involved in what their kids are doing.

When I was a 12, I asked my mom to let me use her credit card over the internet, (not for Sims paysites though, I've never bought anything from a paysite), and she let me use it. I assumed that was the case. But you're probably right, and it is sad.  :(


Doesn't PayPal only accept credit card transactions? I remember attempting to sign up for PayPal once, before I had a credit card, and it wouldn't let me because I didn't have one.

You can sign up and get an account for Paypal without a credit card, I don't have one because I don't like the thought of paying 15% interest on a pack of gum or a video game for the next 6-7 years- but I do have a Paypal account- what you do need is a valid bank account - you cannot get a Paypal credit or debit card without a previously existing credit card but most Paypal transactions from companies like TSR that accept Paypal - all you have to do is enter your email and password.

I  still think Anita had something significant on Thomas, and he knew she was nuts enough to do him some dirt if he didn't appease her. The conversation gave me the willies:  is their any doubt that she's capable of taking things completely out of proportion?

As for who this "Susan" is, I was thinking it was Cyclone Sue until I checked TSR and discovered she's gone back to them.

I know I'm stating the obvious when I say this but holy shit, ATWAT is really seriously insane.  Just reading the conversation scared me.

My name was on the list.  Luckily it was a different email that wasn't associated with T$R...so they can't do much with it.

I still thing Atwat is behind the hackings.  As soon as I got the email from Sugah's Place, I thought, what the hell did T$R do now?

Actually - and this is just a thought - if Atwa knew and had proof that Thomas was the one who compromised the TSR database and took out the unencrypted passwords that would give her serious leverage over him. Especially if the rest of the TSR management didn't know he had done that. She could then threat to out him both to the community and to his peers.

In any case I can't help thinking how different the last part of that MSN chat is - the one where she talks about the petition list. For the first many pages she is ranting and raving like a mad woman, and then she suddenly behaves like a child who's done something naughty that she's also a little proud of. Just the way she says 'Thomas' and then runs off ...

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See this is why Pescado appoints obscure people to be his staff.  It means they're less likely to have an agenda.  He also screens for flakiness.

That was pretty standard for her.  If you ever read any of the PM's between her and I (I think some might be on Coconut's site or my  insane journal (http://tomatorises.insanejournal.com), you would pretty much see the same pattern.  Also the whole her talking when the other person is gone was the norm.  I only chatted with her once or twice and I don't think I have the chat transcripts, but it was normal for her to keep going and going when I was not there. 

I also used to hear the same thing about her enemies making her physically ill and how people treated her badly and she didn't know why.  She told me that she called in sick to work because she was so upset.  And this was back when she was still ATWA the artist manager.  As far as I can tell, she has been physically sick with this whole thing since 2006 or 2007 or so. 

The thing is, as a paid artist she could have done no real harm.  When she was very unwell she may not have made anything, another month she may have felt up to it.  The problem arose when her role crossed a boundary into administrative - a position of responsibility.

Actually I think the problem is that Anita seems to have no boundaries, or has at some point lost track of them. We can get riled up about stuff we care about but at the same time retain a measure of perspective on the situation. As much as I love taking shots at the Twat (and ya'll know I do), that fact that she's seemingly lost the ability to separate what she does in the community from who she is as a person is somewhat sad and unfortunate.

As far as her and Thomas go, who's manipulating who and to what extent is a huge unknown, but from what I've seen up until now it's probably all kinds of sick and potentially somewhat vulgar. Which of course puts it right up our alley. We're all allowed a lapse in judgement on occasion and we all make less than stellar choices sometimes resulting from lack of information about the personalities we're dealing with. However this whole psycho-manipulatory back and forth that's been going on between Thomas and her for years is a huge drain on their credibility. We may not know exactly what's gone on but we do know something has, so until they come clean about the whole situation any attempt to gain credibility on their part is going to be moot. As my Mom says "one really can't be respectable with dirty underpants now can one ".

Paleo, that’s pretty scary what you’re telling. And that was before her big deroute out of TSR began. Do you think Thomas or anyone else of the TSR management would see this side of her or would she be one person with her ‘superiors’ and another with those she thought were her equals or obviously her minors?

(And do you have to register to view and insane journal? It keeps telling me there are no entries anywhere I click).

Kenmtl, yeah, you’re right about that. It’s sad and unfortunate, but whatever’s the story about Atwa and Thomas its results have affected so many people in the community that I’m not even sure a full explanation could make up for it. Of course, it might offer some comfort for those people that Atwa has insulted, threatened and harassed over the years.

Yes, you have to send a friend request.  My live journal was deleted because of the entries and I switched to insane journal and had it set to friends only.

Wow...

I read only a FRACTION of the e-drama but already spent hours on this and have to call it a day.

What strikes me immediately is how goddamn fast Atwa types.  Look at that second image.  Barely 2 minutes have passed and she already blahed up the entire screenshot with whine.  On that note I'm definitely not doubting the veracity of the screens.  It would take a VERY bored and creative person to make up THAT much craziness and put up an entire blog about it.

And as for the blog, it is nothing but A+ quality e-drama and sleuthing.

I was always a drive by downloader and never stopped to realize how much angst, lies and deceit was boiling behind the pretty content.  And on this note, what stands out most is how they've threatened to shut down other modders, and even had enough bawlz to threaten pescado.

This is what makes *me* see red.  For that alone I'll spread this blog to my circle too so they know the ugly truth. 

Most of my friends are also drive by downloaders but if they know the truth, they'll stop supporting paysites and go for free content as well.

The crazies should stay away from wooing EA Games and stick to being the spotlight for blogs like coconut's.  They at least have some worthwhile value in creating lulz rather than plotting the demise of people who create and mod for fun.

You think that's fast? Pssh. That's not fast. That positively pokey by my standards. You haven't seen Wall of Text before until you trigger an extended rant in grah.

Our lil friend is at it again. This time they hit Simply Edward. Read about it on BPS here...

http://www.blackpearlsims.com/showthread.php?35841-I-Do-Believe-My-Site-Was-Hacked

Witchboy, are you maintaining a Michelin Guide to hacked sites or something?  You're always first with the news :D

Only with some of them. There's actually quite a few recent threads about Sims sites hackings over at BPS.

Take a look here:
http://www.blackpearlsims.com/forumdisplay.php?285-For-Debate-amp-The-Irate (http://www.blackpearlsims.com/forumdisplay.php?285-For-Debate-amp-The-Irate)

Is it just me or does that support the theory that a list of passwords from the unencrypted TSR database has been leaked out into the hacking community?

Wasn't "THEPLANET.COM" the proxy being used by T$R, or Atwat?

ROFLMAO! :D I should huh 

I just noticed it over on BPS last night so i thought i'd share ;)

Theres another post about being hacked at BPS posted yesterday by Mimi from Mimi's Creations.

http://www.blackpearlsims.com/showthread.php?35886-I-am-beyond-pissed

THEPLANET.com is just a proxy service that anyone can use. It's also readily available on the internet for the small fee of brain function and 5 min. of spare time. Need to dig deeper than that.

Haha. Mimi pays $20 a month for that? I can get WAAAY moar server, with much better security, for the same price. :P