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http://www.peggyzone.com/Sims3Detail.html?id=000006 (http://www.peggyzone.com/Sims3Detail.html?id=000006)
http://www.peggyzone.com/Sims3Detail.html?id=000007 (http://www.peggyzone.com/Sims3Detail.html?id=000007)

(http://pws.cablespeed.com/moliva/PeggyTS3Pay.jpg)

I can't believe she makes a living out of this. And I can't believe people let her make a living out of this by buying her crap!
I'm sorry, but it makes me so angry. Just work like everybody else, lazy bitch!

I feel better now. ;D

Why is the space between the upper lip and tip of the nose so small? Makes the sim look even funnier than it already should. And somewhere, maybe from Peggy, I've seen a hair similar to that in Sims 2. Could she be converting her crap from one game to another? Oh God, the horror, THE HORROR!! *runs screaming from the thread*

So what, Peggy just developed the technology and tools to do that? hmmmm

I've downloaded the free male hair and one of the free female hairs to see what they look like in game. But their files sizes are large, much like the store hair files. The male hair was 7.4Mbs, and the female hair I got was 4.6Mbs.

Haha, I am a huge fan of hating pay sites, and I'm even more miffed she's continuing on with the scheme. :( But I still like the hairs, sometimes. I'm such a hypocrite. And so I went to check the Booty List and saw that now there's a TS3 directory.

Thanks to anyone and everyone for being completely awesome and destroying (just a little) these awful pay sites and putting their downloads here for free. :o Can't wait for more.

EDIT:

That was quick. Much love. :P

The male hair showed up fine, after I found it. Because of how CC is I really had to look for it, but it was there. It actually showed up in the middle of the store hair, so I think the game could sense it was custom hair, so it put it with the rest of the custom hairs. The female hair I got didn't show up. I'm going to download it again, and get the other free hair to see if they work.

I can't wait for more people, free people, do this. Hair is very lacking, especially for guys. After hair I can't wait to see new clothing and objects.  :)

This does not encourage me to TS3. Not one little bit. Here's hoping she can't do any better than that. Then she can destroy herself and save us the bother.

UPDATE
We have confirmation that Peggy has callously disregarded the license prohibitions against making Payware with the WesHtool.

From what I've seen (and played for myself, since I wanted to see the horrors of this game in action) a lot of Sims 3 sims have way too small a space between their mouth and nose. :( The nose height slider just doesn't work very well.

Horrible hair indeed, I agree! I dearly hope there's no way Peggy has plans to make her other ridiclous hairs for Sims 3. This one looks like one of my most unfavorite Rose hairs with the odd sort-of flippy effect at the ends.

So what now? Is there any sort of plan of action?
I'd like to watch teh dramaz unfold.

The plan of action is that you're all supposed to riot and flame Peggy.

But are we really surprised? It won't be long before people at TSR do the same.

Look, there's RIOTING involved. What part of this do you not understand?

Ha! I thought so.

Do we need to be members to flame her and spam her forums or can we do drive bys?

*gets the pitchfork and the torch ready and heads to China*

Oh and if anyone wants to Arrrr them and hasn't been following the thread at MATY MistyK put them up here (http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=ab4f7dc872c7b3cd84705bab38b2d739e2897573abeae911)

However Delphy notes: "As I posted on MTS, she's done it *extremely* amatuerishly, too.  Just the basics, to get it to show in game but she's left a whole heap of linkages back to the store hair still." so use at your own risk!

Speaking of Peggy Hair.

Problem:
(http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL646/2837408/20065984/369873358.jpg)

Response:


Ya really. Just use a normal face shape and not one of those weird ones. Gawd ::)

I did not know that much hair fail was even possible.  Peggy has outdone herself.

Kenmtl, do you have any of the store hairs in your game?

That hair that Ken has I believe was her earlier version that just replaced the mohawk. Apparently it worked "fine" in CAS for a lot of users, but once in the real game it caused many games to crash. I think I read somewhere that the sims 3 operates on very low polys, and anything of very high poly will cause your game to crash. But don't quote me on that because I could have been dream simming.  ;) The hairs that Delphy was referring to are her newer pay hairs. I personally haven't tried them out but if I understand correctly her hair won't work unless you have the corresponding store hairs. Which would make sense since already a couple of the GOSlings are having issues with her hairs.

I was reading on the creator forums on how close Delphy/HP are to actually having stand alone meshes, and that apparently Delphy has some sort of "tool" to run the hair meshes through. I can't wait for HP to start converting some Nouky goodness! I needs me some neena tails!  :'(

Not just close - doing it successfully.

 I'm currently working on converting one of Nouk's male hairs (the Sport short hair) for all ages.  Possibly also for females too because it looks pretty cute on them (though still needs some fixing up) (http://www.modyourpanties.com/images/090718221452-onthegirlies.jpg).  I've also got my Cherub hair about 60% converted (the remaining 40% is the shitty horrible part that I hate - control maps, how I LOATHE YOU). 

Part of this is putting D's tool through its paces and finding the bugs and working out its kinks.. 

I'll be concentrating on decent male hair out of mine and Nouk's catalogs at first, since I have a feeling TS3 male hairs will be the same My Little Pony WTFery we had for TS2, but after I get the hang of it and have it down to a science, I'll start plugging forward on more of Nouk's pretty hairs like the dreads and fluffy ponytails and whatnot.

That's not mine I pulled it off her forum. Here (http://www.peggyzone.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=283&extra=pageD1&page=11)  I just thought the response was funny and typical.

@HP: Oh nice! We definitely need more male hairs, and real ones too, not froofy doofy girly Anime layered crap converted over from the women to men. I don't want my guys looking like an emo tranny, thanks.

@HP: Nice! I hope there will be a tut out for those of us who want to plug our favorite TS2 hairs into TS3 without having to beg for help.  ;)
@Ken: My bad, I assumed it was yours and didn't read very well. I should have known better that you would not commit suicide to your game by putting that hair in there. My apologies.  :-*

Missbonbon - Eventually, yes, once I get the hang of doing it myself reliably.  It's really -not- easy though.  Part a science but a lot of it is still an art.  A tedious, masochistic, "god I hate meshing so fucking much" art.  It'll probably be more a tiptorial than a tutorial, geared toward folks who already do some meshing but just want the rough parts explained.  And won't be coming super soon though I may post a real basic summary when D posts up his tool.  Hard to find enough time to work on the meshes themselves these days let alone teach others how, but I'll try.  :)

No surprise there. So what is Wes going to do about it? When Delphy releases his tool, am sure she (and others) will do the same.

Tangentially related LOLWUT. I am pretty sure that TSR's new plan is to attempt to murder me with laughter:
I wonder if he realizes that by saying this he has admitted that he was WRONG last time...and since he doesn't appear to be changing this position and EA *STILL* claims to own everything, he STILL IS.

He's said there really isn't much he can do. :( I mean she's in China so not like EA or US lawyers or anyone have any jurisdiction there. You'd have better luck anonymously tipping off the Chinese government that she's using her internet profits to fund the Falun Gong. :P


Ugh, so TSR had to put their two cents in too? I'm sure they're just pissed off that someone else beat them to the punch putting out the first TS3 pay item.  ::)

Paden, don't forget that Peggy's chinese and the notion of 'perfect propotions' beauty differs in the world. That's why her heads are generally round with pointy chin, bigger eyes and higher mouth.

I saw Peggy's hairs topic at MATY. These hairs don't seem to crash the game since they don't replace actual hairs. BUT they're only alpha-edits of store hairs and Delphy supposes that her hairs may not work correctly if you don't have the store hairs she used installed in your game. Plus they don't have the elder part. That girl hates elders ^^
I'm pissed off. That bitch blatantly used a free tool with an anti-pay tos to make pay hairs. *prepares torches and pitchforks*

I also noticed that her hair files are huge, but running them through the compressor got them to about 1/3 of their original file size.

What happened to this place? Three goddamn years ago, had Peggy done this, she would have gotten so many letters about what she is doing, calling her a cunt, flaming her for using a free creator's tools to make pay stuff, that her email would have crashed. Does no one give a flying fuck at a rolling donut that a free tool maker has been disrespected? Or does all anyone care about have to do with getting the custom content for free?

What happened to the fire, the passion? What happened to the moral outrage of people being ripped off just so some stupid slut pretending to be totally ignorant of the conventions of respect and copyright could make a damn buck out of people that don't have a clue about what's going on? What happened to reaching out with a message? Or is it all about letting them so what they want and then just taking their work and getting it free from the Booty any more? If so, I'm sad. Sad, sad panda. We used to get so on fire to stop this kind of garbage from happening, but now all we do is sit back, make popcorn and watch the drama unfold while someone gets screwed over.

What's this shit with TSR? Are they just sitting back and letting everyone else do all the work for developing tools for this new shiny game? Will they then take said tools and make a profit off of the work of others? Why is this even being allowed? I don't get it and I don't think that I ever will. I just don't understand any more, I guess. Had this kind of shit happened, people would have been standing on the rooftops, ready to lynch some lying bitch for ripping off the masses. Now, all people can do is yawn and wonder when and where they can get the content for free.

Maybe I'm wrong, I don't know. Maybe the fire has died down. But you'd think, this being a new arena to carry the fight against paysites forward, that the free tool creators would be supported a lot more vociferously than I see going on in this thread. Even though this isn't my game, not something that I play, I hate seeing this done to WesH, he's worked his ass off to make this only to have some greedy pixel whore steal what he's done and make a profit off of it. What next? Delphy gets ripped off? Pescado? Where is it going to stop, especially now that Thomass is poking his nose out and taking soundings to see just how safe the waters are for him, the rotten bottom feeder?

If Peggy gets away with this, TSR may just go full steam ahead and release a shit load of stuff as soon as they can get their greedy mitts on these tools. We've already seen the flip-flopping going on about stuff over there: is it pay or is it free? One hour you have to pay, the next it's free. Usually after someone over here says something about it. If nothing is said or done about this, if no word gets out to the whole Sims 3 community about what has been done to the developer of a free tool that actually works, the flood gates will be opened and nothing is going to halt the force of the paysite assholes crashing out of those gates to turn a profit.

If that's the case, then I don't know if I really want to be around. Maybe I'm old and tired, I don't know. I've been active on the net and in real life about getting the word out about paysites being the evil and it could be that it's time to take a break and fade into the wood work. The lack of response in regards to what is going on just makes me shake my head in disbelief at the seeming apathy which seems to be the overwhelming response. Where is the desire for justice, for equity, and the desire to have one's work respected? Did it fade out in the excitement of the new shiny?

I've only seen a few people saying that they are upset by this, Dr. House being a great example of how this honestly pisses her off. Others seem to shrug it off and say, "Meh, it's only Peggy, big deal." It is a big deal. One gets away with it and others will follow. I know that plenty of people will see my name on this post and skip over it, because I have read the comments that say they never read what I post any more. Fine, so be it. But, at least I had something to say and did say it. At least I still care about the free creators getting ripped off and fucked over, although I seem to be in a minority. A rapidly shrinking minority.

Won't download them- won't use them- Peggy your hairs are a disgrace- you make every single person who has been working their asses off to get CC for this game up and running look bad with your half assed work using tools that you are not allowed to use to create CC either by the EULA's implemented by the tools creators- or the EA EULA itself- you and Thomass really need to get it through your overly rock filled skulls that selling shit that belongs to someone else (EA) is called stealing- fencing hot property etc- taking someone elses idea - altering it a bit by removing the headband adding curls  or adding a barette (yes your hairs that closely resemble the store hairs/base game hairs you based them on) does not mean you own it- ( After all King James translated the Bible into  English - that does not mean in todays' world he would have intellectual property rights over it- the people who wrote the original books of the Bible would legally hold intellectual copyright)

 And lets be realistic here- if I want ugly overpriced stuff for my TS3 game- same attitude as my TS2 game- I will buy it at the EA Store  at least I am supporting the U.S economy by buying from the EA Store and they designed the game and own the rights to it- and they charge .75 cents for a hair not 4 dollars  You don't- you should be apologizing to WesH for using his tools without permission to create stuff especially since you don't even credit him-  when you don't credit the /programmer/modder/ creator -  it is theft - and that is only if their TOU allows YOU as a paysite owner to use their stuff- if they say no and you use it anyways  it is still THEFT.  WesH said no so you are a thief (given paysites are still technically illegal according to U.S copyright law if not international copyright law - no matter what the EULA currently says you are also a thief for charging  for EA's stuff ) You as one of the most loudest voices in the " Wahhh you used my fugly shit without crediting me Wahh Wahh Wahh!!"tantrums being thrown by paysite owners  like Rose Thomass etc should already understand this- and even TSR  creators at least credit Pete and Inge for Simpe and WesH for his TS2 Plugins - even if it still goes against to programs EULA for them to make shit and then sell it .

Thomass- according to U.S copyright law- something you clearly know nothing about- the only one with a Copyright over CC is EA Games- especially given that you STILL have THIEVES like Shakeshaft on staff - you have no moral or ethical foot to stand on buddy - given how many meshes some of your creators have downright stolen, and how many meshes and recolors or other creators meshes have been posted on your paysite against their express wishes that their stuff and recolors of their stuff NOT be posted on your PAYSITE!!!-  And don't say you are not responsible- you and your brothers own and manage the site so even if you had no prior knowledge of theft - you are responsible according to all basic business ethics concepts .Hell you don't even have a moral or ethical toenail to stand on so take your self-righteous prattle and shove it where the sun doesn't shine.


Honestly I am not that anxious for new hair - I prefer to wait for the good content to come out- Nouks/HP's etc - until then I have my lovely hair texture replacements by Ja at GOS .

Paden, it is not a surprise that someone would do this but it hardly means we are not outraged - personally I am furious over it, and I will admit that you saying that we know longer cares does annoy me. I do not have TS3, and do not intend to (they are too pudding for me), but still see the free community creating the tools and getting fucked over for it. Peggy does not play the game, she just creates products and sells them, and TS3 is another arena for her to do this in. And that line from Thomas that Pescado quoted a page back, well, I can hardly begin commenting on it.. 

As Wes has property rights over his tool then he can likely do something about this..I have not read anywhere where he has said what he is going to do so that is still up in the air. Likely an email from him would be more effective then flaming ones...discussions have greater effects then bashings. As a community, I say boycott - we should not allow this to happen.

He said on MATY that there is nothing he can do:

http://www.moreawesomethanyou.com/smf/index.php/topic,15971.msg459859.html#msg459859 (http://www.moreawesomethanyou.com/smf/index.php/topic,15971.msg459859.html#msg459859)


And I too am outraged over it, although I also have to admit I am hardly surprised about it.

Padens, it's due to the forum changes. It must have all started with the topic that basically said "Be less mean!" that was adressed to all the members 'cause we were frightening outsiders and our anti-paysites message wasn't passing correctly. And the changes accelerated the last couple of months since a lot of old members are disappearing. Whenever we get a bit harsh with a troll we get hitten hard on the hand with a ruler by other members. The cohesion against the ennemy faded away. Even you got censored: you used a few 'dirty' words and zam! you got a 'pottymouth' special title. Clearly the only passion/rage that are allowed now are fights between members and that's the kind of fights I deeply loathe since I'm pro-cohesion. So why would we get all raging and rumbling?! To be virtually slapped for being oh so meanies? Nope. So we're all soooo nice now... The fire didn't die from itself but was slowly dozed off. I'm not saying the changes aren't good (see how prudent I am now?! Silly eh) but you cannot have both. And don't anyone quote me on my post, I won't go in a fight to explain myself and won't answer ya. I have the right to have an opinion based on what happened here. All this sounds terribly rude but it's not, really. :-X

Yes sadly Wes said on mts & MATY that there's nothing he can do. Someone with the skills should hack and melt that bitch's site. I wish I knew how to do that or how to program a bot to drown her mailbox with millions of hate mails >:( T$R will make all its Sims3 stuff pay because of that nasty bitch.

Now for some good news--HP release two of her new hairs over at MTS.  I'm downloading them now and I'm going to try them in my game.

Paden, it's not that the fire is gone, it's the resignation. Look at it this way. The fights been going on for years, and for years we've been spitting brimestone over ever little thing - yes, I'll say we, because even though I'm a bit fresh here, I've been getting pissed off at paysites since I discovered they exist. And what has that brought? What is the effect? Sure, a few paysites did go down, but which of them was the real ass sore like Peggy or TSR? The ones that lead the paysites army and shine examples to the other greedy twats are still fine and running, pretty much shitting on us and what we say. And you know why? Because we play fair and thus we can't do anything to really hurt them.

This makes me recall a quote from a good, old classic movie "Cobra" with Sylvester Stallone. I can't remember the words exactly, but at some point, one of "Marion's" superior officers said something like: "We're the police, we follow the rules." and Cobretti answered "Well then we've already lost, because the crooks don't follow any rules." I can't find anything more adequate to our present situation than that. Paysiters won't stop, because they don't respect the oposition, and also they're the type that don't respect anything, unless they're afraid of it.

Another quote from a film, this time the quite crappy "Chronicles of Riddick", however sounding quite adequate to me: "Sometimes you can't fight evil with good. Sometimes you have to fight evil with another kind of evil."

If anyone cares to hear my opinion on this, then I say it's time to stop playing politics Pirates, it's time to see this is bloody war.

Really? Well I guess that explains a lot. It's funny because this was always a more rough and tumble place than MATY, but nowadays I see noobs getting a ripped a new asshole regularly there and people here are practically singing kumbaya.

I thought one of the prerequisites to being on a Pescado board was being mean an onrey or at least not being opposed to people who were.

And yes I think Peggy deserves anything she gets at this point. Someone should hack her place and replace her hot mess ass Anime shit layout with something tasteful. That ought to confuse her. :D

Well, Motoki, it's hard to keep going when you're told to back off and then get slapped with a label like the one I did, when there are people on other forums that swear just as bad if not worse than I do. Me, I have to be pretty provoked into going off like an f-bomb with a rant. Others elsewhere, not so much.

Paden, I doubt the outrage is gone, but it may be that some people are wondering what they can do that would be effective.  Of course we should get the word out on all the boards we can.  However, I suspect that the places where people actually listen, MTS, MATY, etc., are the ones that already know Peggy is scum.  We can post on the BBS and get censored by Hydra and Drea, we can post on TSR and get censored by Cadiva.  Not saying we shouldn't, I just wish there was something we could do that would have a large impact on Peggy.  Get the word out on her board?  Probably get censored there.  What to do?  Post, post, and post some more.

How about starting a legal defense fund for WesH?  Find a lawyer, ask if this can be taken to court, and if so, get a big "Legal Defense Donation" button up?

edit: I thought the whole "be less mean" thing was about not dogpiling on newbies.  What does it have to do with criticising paysites?  Nothing, I thought.

Peggy is a greedy lazy bitch.
*slaps her Eastenders style*

Well even if he got a lawyer Peggy is in China so I doubt it will do much good. :P

I think our first order of business here, is going back to the good, old, rough hardcore. This ain't a bloody playground.

Paden, I understand how shitty it is, when you get slapped on the wrist for acting appropriate to the place, or it seemed that way at least. But then, some start moaning that people act mean, ugly, and not nicezzz  - been there a lot in life, since I have a tendency to be painfully and unsensitevly honest. Well, they saw to what place they were signing up, and if not, it's their problem. If they're adults, they can either get used to it or leave. If don't do one of the two, they're whiny 12'ves. It's been agreed a long time ago, that this ain't a democratic, either a politically correct and polite board. After all, we're pirates for shit's sake! Pirates aren't supposed to be nice by definition.

TS3 seemed to be a new opening to do something about those paysite shitheads. Instead, we're sleeping through this new occassion. The payshits are shitting on us, Free-supporters, again, by abusing free creators' work. Nothing new, true. The question is however, are we gonna change into a blob of mashed potatos and ignore it, because it ain't nothing new, or are we gonna at least try make them regret it.

Pirates, really, get your firepower back, so we can finally blast those payshits to kingdom come. True, they don't deserve that much effort or attention, but lets put our higher level in a box for now, and give them that destructive attention.

Motoki - you're probably right, since she is from China, it might not do much good, but it's worth a try. Anything is worth a bloody try. Even if it will be futile, we might at least by some chance spoil some of her blood over it. That will also be a victory.

My personal idea would be for one of us with server access to start our own Sims Finds sites- like the Free Content Pawns Paysite Crap only with it's own site- because realistically we are simply not reaching a wide enough range of Sims gamers with the thread- it is merely those of us that are members here and most of our visitors are repeat visitors (or offenders if they are paysite trolls)  and publicize it at MTS, The BBS and anywhere we can - it can appear to be a normal finds site like Spring4sims or Sims Daily until you see the side by side pics for the paysite finds with - this is the picture " Peggy, Rose, Shakeshit " gave you- This is what it actually looks like in the average TS1-TS2-TS3 game without special lighting or photoshopping- And then follow each paysite find up with 10 or 15 or 20 better quality free finds- Honestly if someone wants to take on the task - I would help look for finds and am I sure that between our Freesite Pawns Pay thread and our Prettiest Free Creations threads we would already have several months worth of material


Of course that is given anyone has enough time energy and patience to do so - given that many of the  members of the Free  Sims Community have been working a ridiculous number of hours in their free time to make TS3 a little bit more than the steaming pile of cat poo that EA originally released (don't get me wrong I like the game - I would not have gotten it if I didn't but EA truly experienced phail overload this time around) - and that is unfortunately probably a task for another day- Of course given that darling Peggy cloned her hairs from Store hairs - most people won't be able to use them anyways- unless they just happened to have bought those specific hairs from the Store or obtained them by other means

$%#&^*^&*#$%&^*&^(*^( *blows up*

There, some blowing up - sorry, I'm tired, its been a very long week for me with making an internet radio station work.  But I think its stable now, so I can breathe and catch up.

Seriously, I've never been a pissy person - I might go berserk if provoked enough, but unless Peggy or Thoma$$ or any of the other paysite folks were right here, I can't lay into them and whack them with a folding chair, as much as I'd like to.

I wouldn't whack them with a chair either. Personally, what I'd like to do, is unleash my 5 month old pekinese on whatever machines they have their precious pay crap stored. It would be much more cruel, believe me  ;D And with Peggy, it would be quite ironic, since both come from China.

I did mention its been a trying week, right? :D  I've gone through two packs of ciggies and I've been getting angry noises about that too.

That Peggy needs to die. Lets hope she never sets foot in England, or she'll find herself in peril.

Of course she bases it off a store hair so you pay more, typical pay site.

I'm not interested in Sims3, but doesn't the new EULA allow everyone to modify fanstuff anyway? What's she gonna do when even EA says it's okay?
Modify her pay hairs a little bit and offer them for download everywhere, on MTS, on GoS, every big place, with a new creator name and just a tiny credit notice.
If she is save from the law in China you are safe from her too. Different continents works both ways.

There is still debate about what the EULA actually means and extends to. It only talks about content shared though the software, meaning the launcher. So that would only count recolored patterns, lots, and sims.

What do you mean SLAPPED? You got a SPECIAL TITLE. It's your THING! That's not a PUNISHMENT, it's a carte blanche to keep DOING it. You are the infamous Pottymouth Paden! Slapped would be if you got a title like Stupid Tchan's.

I find the new new EULA pretty confusing also. On the peggy hairs I am reading it as anything that has used the launcher belongs to EA.  Peggy has reworked EA hair so she must have used the launcher to download it from EA in the first place, so anything that is derived from that work belongs to EA and should be shared freely.  Also, she totally disregarded Wes Howe's terms of use and used his tool to make pay hair, while blatantly requesting for people not to reproduce her items.  This one is really taking the piss.

TSR has just made a lot of their TS3 content pay as well. 15 pages worth of pay content, from what I can see.

It was bound to happen. They have 5 hair files now too. Dot has 4, all hats, and then there is a free toddler mesh.

And at the top they are having a summer sale, Get 30% off, save up to $26.

No the Sims 3 EULA doesn't specifically address custom content. However it does say this:
1.  Limited License Grant and Terms

A. Grant. Through an authorized purchase or transfer, you acquire and EA grants you a non‐exclusive license to install and use the Software for your personal, limited, non‐commercial use solely as set forth in this License and the accompanying documentation. blablabla

So even though it doesn't identify custom content per se, one could easily argue that making content involves using the software. Um duh! Thus selling said content becomes a using the software for commercial purposes. You could say that this only applies to the game itself (i.e. copying/reselling it/whatever), however everything on the disc is part of the software you bought so if you clone anything you are in fact cloning the software. If you then decide to make something from that clone and sell it on a website, you are in fact using the software for commercial public purposes.

But we all know this already as do those who still make the CC and sell it. But they do it anyway. Why? Because they're just the kind of people who like to use other people's work to make a buck for themselves. I'm sure some don't limit themselves to the Sims.

As for Peggy, well ya she's just doing what she does. She's a hack that makes gappy inferiour game borking hair and doesn't care who she fucks in the process as long as she doesn't have to work 18 hour days in a rat infested bead factory in Xinjiang province. So what's new.

I would imagine that most people who download that shit don't hang out here so they how would they even know what she's doing unless the outraeg is expressed on the sites where they do. Besides a lot of players just want MOAR PRETTY HAIRZ for their little simmies and don't really give a flying fuck where it came from or who got probed in the process. Sad but truefax.

Yeah I pretty much got that when I read this reply on Peggyzone.  Screw the fact it craps out your game.  Keep up the good work.

I don't think wishing her death is something we should consider. It's not as if she's a murdered or child molester.

No matter what the EULA says, Wes's tool does not allow items created with it to be pay.  She can wait for TSR's tool and make pay creations with it or make a tool of her own but even if she interprets the EULA to allow her to sell items, there isn't a way for her to think that the TOU that she agreed to for the tool she used allows for that.  Even TSR realized that in order to sell things this time and try to say " the EULA says I can" that they would have to create their own tools to do it and not rip everything from the free community in order to sell stuff.

We may not be able to stop pay items, but if those that create the tools that are used have a TOS that says "NO PAY STUFFS", then their rights should be honored.  If someone, i.e. Peggy, TSR, use them, they shouldn't make the item pay.  Plain and simple.  But the creators of programs have to enforce their TOS.  And we always support them.  We can spread the word that so and so is using a free program that doesn't allow for sale items and get pirate-y on them!  Maybe a topic post just for that, like "Paysites who PIRATE and Profit from Freesites" and spread a pirate attack campaign.  That way, we fight back to protect free programs, meshes, etc...from being used and abused by paysites.

As for Pottymouth Paden title, I consider it to be a honor not a slap.  If I'm gonna be in a fight, I will ALWAYS want you on my side Paden!!  Especially the Pottymouth, cuz no one can say FUCK YOU in a rant better than you.  I bow to your Pottymouth prowess!  Be proud of it and just say fuck off to anyone that disagrees.

Yes but our summer sale is better, 100% off!

Yup, and someone already uploaded all of it and posted over at MATY ;)

http://www.mediafire.com/?zytczjyzmkm

the Liannaa stuff looks just like the stuff she is posting for free on her home site- of course that usually the case for her- I would not touch any of it with a ten foot pole even if there were any creations by the few creators that I liked when I still had my sub there- at least not until those in the know picked the files apart and poked them for deadly squirmy beasties that like to wreak computer destruction- I already lost one hard drive to TSR' and the malware in their advertisements and have had a borked TS2 game because of their non-bootified shit more often than I can count- No thanks- DOT who has never ever done hair can keep it- after all she will try to apply the Lamp Law to it and Lamps and Hair are two entirely different things unless you have a serious drinking problem and regularly wear lampshades for hats.

I see Thomas got off his ass and made something. I guess that is his annual contribution of work.

I posted on Peggy's forum (ew) and posted about it on my LJ yesterday. Dunno what else to do, but I guess it's better than nothing. *pats herself on the back*

Dot's making hair? Our Dot? Little Miss Lamp Law? I wonder what shape it'll be.

Yep, she posted 4 of them today. If I remember right they were all hats.

Yeah, three beanies and a backwards ball cap. I guess she made the beanie's sit on their head lower? Something like that. Wouldn't know since she couldn't be arsed to put up a one sentence description.

Ok ya I see them. There seems to be an extra shape on one of them.  Oh and I love Thomass's whoreshadow. Apparently he's a fan of the Cirque du Soliel.

DOTs hair- making the already existing base game/store hairs with moar SHAPE and MOAR TEXTURE (although Ja at GOS is weeks months, hours, days, minutes and seconds ahead of her in adding moar texture - I love Ja's texture replacements  even EA House of Phail Hair looks better with Nouks textures) If she is creating hair for TS3 God help us- we will have the Heir Law - Ooops I mean Hair Law (sorry i was using the Thomass Moron-English Dictionary) next.

It looks like their greed got the better of them; all of that crap is just worthless. And I had no idea that Thomass was so proficient at clown cosmetology.

Pretty sure it'll come out to be something like this;

(http://i25.tinypic.com/a0ibv4.jpg)

It's just a hunch, though.

*pats Plum on back*
We can check if she deletes criticism.  If so, repost.  Even if not, just repost when it seems like people aren't paying attention, in a week or two.  Maybe add links to HP's awesome, not-overwriting, not glitched, not crashy, and beautiful to boot hair.  And mention that HP will be converting Nouk hair (squee, ZOMG!).  And link to Nouk hair?  That's what I plan to post there next time.  My first posts were just information about what all she's done illegally.  We could also post links to the Peggy Hall of Shame (http://paysitescams.wordpress.com/category/peggyzone/).  I wonder if she nukes accounts?  Let's find out. :)

Speaking of Peggy's forum, some fucktards are in an uproar over some shitty TS2 hair of hers that someone apparently converted to TS3 (and the whole god damned Exchange has been going completely apeshit crazy over just because it was something they couldn't have and wanted it just because).

Okay and get this part:

http://www.peggyzone.com/forum/redirect.php?tid=409&goto=lastpost#lastpost

"u r quite right!! i hope peggy will take actions to protect her legal rights. and i wish peggy could convert her sims2 hair to sims3 asap."

Okay first off LEARN ENGLISH. Second protect her legal rights? Oh that is rich! That lying, cheating whore! She is the one blatantly disregarding others' legal rights!  >:(

You got a reply: (http://www.peggyzone.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=408&extra=pageD1&page=2)

What other program is there? Did she convert it with her asshole?

SHE IS A CREATIVE GENIUS AND FIGURED IT ALL OUT! Gawd, keep up, Motoki. she iz a goddess 4 her creationz

It's rather disheartening that what the Peggy People want to know is which EA Store hair they need to buy, but they don't care that they're paying for Peggy's crap *twice*, or about any of the ethical issues.  Still, if we don't post, nothing changes, right?

Wow. Really. Wow.


Indeed, Cat. Though I don't think fans of her hair will get it through their thick skulls the first time around.

I think it already has. (http://i33.tinypic.com/ojngg7.jpg)

I never thought I'd see the day where I'm browsing and posting at Peggy's site. xP I just feel too bad for Wes to let it go.

Heh, me too. I posted a link to that hair file that those tards were complaining was a bootleg conversion of one of her TS2 hairs and a violation of Peggy's rights. ;)

Haha, I saw that. I lol'd 'cause I know that, in spite of their bitching, every last one of them is going to download it.

Oh good grief I just read through that thread of hers now she is blaming her shoddy half assed work on hacks:

http://www.peggyzone.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=411

Peggy: "A few of simmers said in their post that the latest female hairstyle crashed the game,
although most simmers didnt meet such problem and these hairstyle work perfectly with
their game. But after deleting some hacks in packages folder, the conflict disappeared."

User: "I installed the hairs and within a few moments of them being installed, my game crashed. I don't have a screenshot, but it seems to have issues when you zoom, or move the game screen too fast."

Peggy: in all probability, there is some hack that causes conflict with the hair.

Of course nothing she did could have caused the problem in spite of the fact that:

http://www.modthesims.info/showthread.php?p=2714909#post2714909


another tard replies to Peggy: Yeah my game crash when i use your great hair to. And its a bummer cause i just love it. I dont have any hacks... atleast i dont think i do.... mostly hairs and clothes that is downloaded... dunno why. Yeah ofcourse just a few cause im always one of few that have problems lol. Hoping ill figure this one out but i dont have a clue. im one of those that dont know anything about comps and just gets amazed everytime i see all the great stuff ppl make. Anyway... great site and lovely things in here so keep up the great work.

Motoki - Your "Merry Christmas!" made my day!  You go!  And yes, they are hypocrites who will defend Peggy's "legal rights" one moment, then download bootleg PeggyCrap the next.

How the fuck do you subscribe to any thread on Peggy's damn blinky forum?  Is there even a subscribe button???

She probably didn't bother putting a button for it since that word is too long for her members to comprehend anyway. We know she's a bare minimum kind of gal.

These Peggy forum threads are relevant to our interests.  Some titles slightly altered. ;)

- The problem of some players will pop up when the hair is used has been RESLOVED (Orly?) (http://www.peggyzone.com/forum/thread-283-1-1.html)
- Genuine SIMS3 (not really) independent custom CRAP (http://www.peggyzone.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=408&extra=&page=1)
- Latest female hairs crash problem ! (http://www.peggyzone.com/forum/thread-411-1-1.html)
- Issue with the 3 NEW hairstyles... (http://www.peggyzone.com/forum/thread-407-1-1.html)
- I have a problem with the sims 3 new hair (It's Peggy crap, there's your problem.) (http://www.peggyzone.com/forum/thread-297-1-1.html)

Any others we should post in?  There's some about borked Sims3 skins too that I didn't list.

I think that's it. I made a thread at GoS too.

I'm so curious to see how Peggy deals with this. :o

Mass banning and IP blocks, she'll probably also send out fans to spam here and GOS with OMG PEGGY IS SOO SPARRKLY!!!11

Sounds about right. I was going to say she will deal with it with some good old fashioned Chinese style iron fisted censorship.

And then we'll just repost, right?  I'm saving my posts to text files and will repost using different IPs.  Let's see her try to ban every internet cafe we can get to.

edit: I've been IP banned by Peggy!  Oh noes, whatever shall I do?  Come back tomorrow with a proxy or a different machine and copy paste my posts, I guess.

edit2: Bad Spelling Cat can't spell repost

And it'll be really funny if Peggy does what Thomas did when trying to keep the "pirates out" a while ago.  :P

Your post here (http://www.peggyzone.com/forum/thread-408-2-1.html) is all busted up.

ETA: Cat's, I meant. :}

ETA2: Are you sure Peggy's hairs replace Store hairs? I don't think they do. They just don't work without the Store hairs.

I thought I read that her pretzel braid hair replaced the store bob hair.  If I'm wrong, someone let me know.  I was fixing that bused up post when I got ban hammered, so I don't expect any of my posts to be up anymore.  That's okay, I'll be back tomorrow with a different IP.  So you all banned too?

Does the official BBS have lots of PeggyZoners on it?  We could post there until Drea and Hydra stompinate us for being "off topic".  Or maybe they won't?  After all, EA is butt buddies with T$R, not PeggyZone.

That one does but she isn't distributing that one.  Delphy said they were based on Store hairs which somehow still makes them dependent on them.  I am not sure any of the new ones replace the hairs but you still need them installed to work which she doesn't seem to be making clear.

Thanks, scrappy, for correcting that mistake on my part.  I don't want to distribute inaccurate info, won't help our cause.  I'll modify my saved posts for later reposting.

edit:
Didn't that piss off a lot of T$R users because they couldn't log on?  Hm, I wonder how many Peggy customers use the internet cafes at my local university?  Do the high schools have open wifi networks I could use?

Depending on where you are they probably do. Around here all the schools (Elementry, Middle, and High) they all have open wifi connections because almost every school here has tons of laptops. I was able to get online on my PSP once with the school district's wifi connection.

Well then I'll see how many high school students I can temporarily deprive of their Peggy fix by getting the school IP banned.

Meanwhile, here's something to cheer up Paden.  It's all futile, but we can laugh about it?

(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww82/CatOfWar/funny-pictures-cat-is-stupid.jpg?t=1248155262)

I'm not banned and most of my posts weren't deleted. :D

That really pisses me off that she just deleted all of those posts to cover up what she's doing. I expected it, sure, but it's just so damn shady.

You may run into not being able to get on the site though. Censor programs schools use don't always ban the right sites (I was doing a report a few years ago and I needed info on a tree. I couldn't get to a site because it had XXX on the site somewhere, I think it was in a chart for the tree or something. But someone clicked on a link, and it took him to a porn site, go figure).

But couldn't you just use a proxy to hide your IP? That would work, right?

Yeah, but Peggy's blinky sparkly seizure site is frickin slow loading through a proxy, at least the ones I use.  So I want to go through all the local free wifi networks here first.

I PM'd that person who asked for evidence or whatever of Peggy's stealing. Sent them a link to MTS and The Booty.

Also PM'd Peggy about deleting all those posts. I batted my eyelashes innocently and everything.

Ahhh, ok. You could try libraries too. Here you can go to the library and get online on one of their computers, or you can use their wifi. So that might work too.

And I'm banned without a word. So rude! Maybe it's a temp ban? I can still PM.

I exhibit no surprise!  If you can still PM, I'd PM with "Now can you please explain why I was banned? *insert insane amounts of eyelash batting here*"  PM until you get totally banned  ;D  LETS GO FOR BROKE!!! 

I like what Paden said about "shouldn't we be more pissed off?"  But it's basically an up hill battle.  No matter what we do, no matter how many times we flame, there are still so many Peggy Cult Followers that the chances of anything really happening to her are slim to none.  Frankly, most people don't care because most people don't get it.  They write it off as us just getting way to into a game and taking it way too seriously instead of taking it as theft, which is what it really is.  It was true what was said, people just want 'moar pretty hairz!!!"  And after so many years of fighting an uphill battle, its normal to get worn out and tired when you don't see any results.   :-\


On an additional note, I DLed one of the "pretty hairz" from The Booty just to laugh when it crashed my game and looked like hair on a baboons ass.....But sadly, the stupid hair actually worked and I turned into sad panda.  I had nothing to laugh at and then mock at her forum because I have no hacks in my game.  That woulda been rich....Sigh, oh well.  The shit takes forever to show up in the preview in CAS, though.

Well, Pescado did ask for riots. :D Although its all gone now and there are no screenshots, boo...and PMing is more effective then posting.

They are getting trigger happy over there.  It took less then 3 minutes for a ban and post deletion.  Bet I won't see my one peice of silver again, maybe she is saving up to be a real Judas.  

Oh, I did that too! Haven't gotten a response and/or banning yet.

Blah, dumb ass Peggy.  ::) Of course since modding hairs in sims 3 is so much harder than it was in sims 2, there won't be as many people to fix her fuck ups. I wonder how many people will still fawn over her when they realize their hairs can't be retextured without knowing not only basic photoshop, but how to work Delphy's CTU. Granted they aren't hard, but I highly doubt there will be as many as there were past in the past doing mesh retouch ups or retextures.

I will admit though, not having to do animations has saved dear peggy's soul since she could never get those right. Although the new body shapes has appeared to fuck her over as well. I read somewhere that the longer hair she made will nom your simmies boobies if they are too fat.

Someone posted pics of that. I'm pretty sure they are in the thread about the Peggy hairs over on MATY.

Yup

http://www.moreawesomethanyou.com/smf/index.php/topic,15971.msg460077.html#msg460077


One of us should go to Peggy's board and innocently repost those pictures and go 'Halp!! My poor fat sim can't wear your hair peggy.'  :'(

Doesn't she have a warning about using it on fat sims on the download page for each of the hairs? I would go check but it takes too damn long for that site to load on my computer.

And I love you sig Motoki.  :D

As I said on MATY, her site looks like Sailor Moon vomited all over it. And then there's all those annoying bits and boops and other maddeningly cutesy noises!

Peggy discriminates against old and fat sims. No fair!

And she wants all the males to look like emo trannies with bad wigs!

Oh and on a serious note, I just thought of something, her hairs are spawning on new townies, or at least they are for me with Awesomemod plus Indie Stone for story mode stuff that I am using now. If those townies get fat out of my control or when they get old they are going to be walking around with some serious glitchiness. Ugh. I have to see what happens to them when I take her hair out. Hmm. :P

*pats Plum on the back too* I posted about it on my blog too so all 10 of my unique visitors will get the message.  ;) I may have to bite the bullet and register at the BBS. The more places the info is accessible the better, I think. Especially about Peggy using Wes' tool to make a pay item.

Plum - Don't make Peggy take away your PM capability, use it to subvert!  PM the people who post in the hair threads.  Can Peggy nuke PM's from us in people's inboxes?  If not, yay for us.

I was actually gonna do that today. I can still PM!

Arr!  Good for you! lol



Also, when you play with the slider bar for the height of the outter eye corners, the hair moves up and down drastically.  No pics of that though, I'll see if I can recreate it later so you can see the fun elongated head.

I FULLY support playing dumb and posting those pics on her board.  Except she'll probably blame it on a game mod or some other custom content.  ::)

When playing dumb, say you don't have game mods and you tested with no other CC (and actually do that), so she can't pull that crap.  Even some of the Peggy people do that, good for them, it's a faint sign of hope.

Did someone say we have no screenies of our nuked posts?  I have two or three screenies, but didn't post them here since it'd be preaching to the choir.

Two days and see what happens!  :D

I'm gonna send a very nasty PM to Peggy right now  ;D

ETA: Message sent. Let's see what dis biach gonna reply to me.

I exceeded my PM limit for the day. xP That's 50 PMs.

50 PMs?  :D Those 50 must have been fun to made  :D

Peggy's site makes it easy! You just hover over the person's avatar, hit "PM" and then there's a pop-up. I just copy/pasted the same PM to everyone, obviously.

Isn't it?  :D Oh, I love Peggy  :D

I sent mine just for Peggy. A really nasty one.

And there you are, messing around this poor chinese girl's site... *irony off* Good job! ;D

Plum - Do you happen to have a list of which peeps you PM'd?  I would also like to use my 50 PM's, but want to send them to different peeps.

icyakakiss
Sims3Chica
shoval
lene87
Nienya
SIMSJordan
walkingpen
piscesgemini
Lovella
Bland
MrsBond
ditzchick360
huntgod
Econazole
cat3appr
Simspirit
34L34
darja121
jbjohnso
WoahhMelli
Illu
Baumkuchen
pripririsims
svihelka
TheHappySimmer
ingasim
j3llnlyza
prettygirl0525
ignorance
becs83
SuperRoby
anniebonnie
ollyoxenfree
ntense
wafa241182
suiu
qten
dzaky
m_r_alien
LilMissHanna
alaaskaa
hannahtheriault
lesnane
lineinsky
XavierRaphael
linoya
korup12
simschallenger

Remember, you catch more flies with honey than vinegar. I went the "I feel bad about what Peggy's doing so I thought I should tell people the truth"/"I'm standing up for what is right" route rather than the "PEGGY IS AN EVIL SCAMMER!" route. I also linked them to MTS and The Booty.

Did you read what someone suggested over at Maty? That Wes should write Peggy is a poopoohead or something like that into the program so she has to see it every time she uses it. I love that and would definitely encourage him to do so. Delete/Save/Save As/Peggy is a Poopoohead/Close/Exit.

She's chinese - he should have it call her a turtle's egg.

I know my spirit would be crushed. XD Not so sure about Peggy, though. She seems kinda like a hair-spittng robot, to me.

That just gave me an image of the robot from Lost in Space with hairballs surrounding his feet, like he'd been sick and chucked them up. Mind you, that's what Peggy's shit reminds me of, too, something my cat would leave on the bath rug.

Anyone read the disclamer Peggy posted on Sims 3 downloads?


According to the 4th part, is it just me or is she saying her website has a MAYA plugin they developed?

Ok, must now go find proof that she used Wes' tool.  I'm sure I read folks wrote that there was signs that Wes' program leaves in files.  I think there was a link in this thread, or on MATY, on MTS...  Of course, if she did really write and use her own tool, that would explain the crappy quality of the meshes and the game crashes she causes.
*Cat goes off to look*

She's going to take legal action against us?  Orly?  I do hope so, really I do.  I want to see her explain in court how she thinks she has a copyright on any Sims3 stuff she made.

I knew Wes and Delphy were filthy lairs. *eyeroll*

Well actually Peggy Dahhhlinng - True custom content was on MTS weeks ago- Snaitf- non replacement pictures, non replacement t-shirts, Lurania- non replacement accessories, Syrea - non replacement accessories, Randomnoir non replacement clothing Robokitty non-replacement shoes and boots- in fact Snaitf and Lurania released the first non-replacement clothing and accessories   on June 18th more than two weeks before you even released your first fugly assed replacement hair So please get over your own bad EA stealing, WesH program stealing ass self

I'd like respond to number fifthly first. Oi Peggy, you suck, you're a hack and your mother was a hampster!

*waits for action necessary and appropriate to the extent permitted by law*

Now for numbers firstly through fourthly. hahahahahahahaha! Girl you kill me.

By writing that drivel, she has proven that the only fifth there is happens to be the one she drinks every time she sits in front of a screen to "create".

Boy, Peggy sure does get testy when her reputation for making authentic, half assed gappy hairdos is called into question. Hmmm, maybe she's planning a second honeymoon and can't afford to have any of her sheep jumping the fence.

Honeymoon? With herself, I think. Honestly, even in communistic China can you find men so desperate to wany Peggy and her hair? I don't think even communism can do that to your head.  :P

Custom Sims 3 down or did they move?  I'm trying to link to Wes Howe's Sims3 MilkShape plugins and tutorial, in a rebuttal to Peggy's disgusting lies, but it won't look too good if the links don't work. :/

Motoki (or anyone), please repost the link to bootleg Peggy Sims3 paycrap here, so folks can copy and paste it.  Helps when preparing posts to put on PeggyZone later, thanks!

edit: While waiting for pages to load through a proxy, here's what I plan to post all over PeggySparkleLand.
Maybe it can be of some use to others, the links at least.  Thanks to everyone in this thread for providing many of these links and examples.

edit2: So happy many folks are posting in PeggyZone!  Posted the rebuttal.  Must think of what to put in short PM's to 50 people.  Link to Peggy booty, links to lovely free stuff?  Link to this thread?  Links to Peggy's gaps and borked hair pics?  PeggyZoners don't seem to understand that Peggy's low, low quality is not normal and not acceptable.

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A REBUTTAL OF PEGGY'S CLAIMS


Peggy Claim

The Truth
Many free creators made true, independent content *weeks* before Peggy did.
Look at their work, check the date when it was posted.
- Snaitf's movie posters that don't replace anything (http://www.modthesims.info/download.php?t=348002)
- Snaitf's children's t-shirts, new clothing that does not replace anything in game (http://www.modthesims.info/download.php?t=347585)
- Lurania's hello kitty watches, accessories that don't replace anything (http://www.modthesims.info/download.php?t=348705)
- kanon's shorter boots for women, don't replace any shoes (http://www.digitalperversion.net/gardenofshadows/index.php?topic=12855.0)
There are others, look around.  Furthermore, Peggy's hair is NOT INDEPENDENT, as explained in the next section.


Peggy Claim
Peggy says if her hair does not work right, it is because you have "mods and hacks" in your game.

The Truth
Hair meshes and "mods and hacks" have nothing to do with each other, just ask any modder or hair mesher who is not Peggy.  Peggy hair needs EA Games store hair to work, because Peggy made it wrong.  You can read about that here (http://www.modthesims.info/showthread.php?p=2714909#post2714909) and here (http://www.moreawesomethanyou.com/smf/index.php/topic,15971.0.html).  Peggy, nobody accused you of *copying* EA Store hair, we pointed out, correctly, that your hair *requires* EA Store hair.  So your customers have to pay TWICE for your broken, crashy hair.  Why not get beautiful, truly independent Sims3 hair for all ages, both genders, any face shape, no crash, no bug, and FREE?  
- short punky hair (http://www.modthesims.info/download.php?t=356951)
- short curly hair (http://www.modthesims.info/download.php?t=356940)  
If you really must have Peggy hair, get it free here (http://paysites.mustbedestroyed.org/booty/ts3/peggy/).


Peggy Claim
Peggy claims she used her own software, but, uh, she can't release it...
(bold added by me)

The Truth
Wes Howe released a MilkShape plugin that allows export/import of Sims3 meshes, before Peggy made her Sims3 hair.  Anyone can download it and use it to make free content (pay content is forbidden by Wes' license agreement).  Look  here (http://www.modthesims.info/wiki.php?title=Sims_3:Modding#Meshing_Tools), scroll down to Meshing Tools.  Look in this thread (http://www.moreawesomethanyou.com/smf/index.php/topic,15971.0.html) to see how saddened Wes Howe was that his hard work, his free tool, were illegally used to make pay items, and not very well at that. Peggy has NOT released her tool.  Why?  If it even exists, it doesn't work right.  Free creators have known for a while now how to handle the Sims3 skeleton.  That is why their creations work with any body shape, any face shape.  Peggy stuff does NOT work with any face shape, any body shape (http://www.moreawesomethanyou.com/smf/index.php/topic,15971.msg460077.html#msg460077), because Peggy still can't figure out the skeleton!  Yet she expects you to pay for her broken hair.


Peggy Claim

The Truth
Legal and copyrighted by Peggy?  Ha ha ha!  No.  Here is part of EA Games Sims3 EULA:

(bold added by me)

"Non-commercial" means you can't sell stuff, Peggy.  When you take EA Store hair and alter it to make your hair, you are using EA software for commercial purposes, in violation of the EULA.  Wes Howe's tool license certainly does not allow creation of pay items either.  And here's more, from section B4.

(bold added by me)

In short, that means anyone can legally share your content, for free.  Anyone can modify your content.  You have no copyright.  Why should you, when much of your hair is meshes you just ported from TurboSquid and Poser?  Of course, decent people will give proper credit when using your work, something you yourself do not do when you use the work of others.


Peggy Claim

The Truth
Peggy hasn't taken anyone to court.  I doubt she is going to.  All she does is ban people who tell the truth, and erase their posts in the forums.  (We just come right back, Peggy.)  I would love to see her in court, trying to explain to a judge how she thinks she has a copyright on Sims3 content, or any right to sell it.  Please, Peggy, go to court.  Please!  DO IT!

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edit3: Hey, isn't that Peggy hair on a Jassims free download?  Won't Peggy be mad her hair is being redistributed?  Paysite owners don't stick together, no honor among thieves, it seems.  Hey Peggy, take legal action!  *giggle giggle snerk*

(http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/1151/64619942.jpg)

In response to Cats whole post:

*stands*applauds*

Post that shit all over the internet.  Wherever you can.  Very well thought out and written.  Anyone can understand it.  Even a mook like me ;)

*applauds Cat's post and hands her 15 bottles of rum*
Excellent post! Surely, that will get Peggy's attention.  ;)

*Joins ovation

Most excellent rebuttal, Cat. If I remember right, Peggy has used the "Ihazlawyers" tactic before without ever following through. Since she operates inside a vacuum, I think the only people she's really trying to fool with her rant are her subscribers. And since they're foolish enough to buy Peggy crap to begin with, they'd probably be foolish enough to buy her excuses.

Works both ways, Peggy dearest.  It's nearly impossible for WesH to sue you, and it's nearly impossible for you to sue the rest of us.  And branding you as an unethical offspring of a mutant turtle's egg all over the nets is fun. BTW, don't take your lying lessons from Thoma$$; he's very bad at it.

Has Wes commented on these newest claims by Peggy?

The bootleg Peggy hair? Yeah I have a ton or mirrors. ;)

http://www18.zippyshare.com/v/54255629/file.html

http://rapidshare.com/files/258538606/Peg_Hair_TS3.rar.html

http://rapidshare.com/files/258540009/Peg_Hair_TS3.rar.html

http://www.filefactory.com/file/ahe7h05/n/Peg_Hair_TS3_rar

http://www.filefactory.com/file/ahe7h32/n/Peg_Hair_TS3_rar

http://www.filefactory.com/file/ahe7h5c/n/Peg_Hair_TS3_rar

http://www.zshare.net/download/629892867e4a35a3/

http://www.easy-share.com/1906854740/Peg Hair TS3.rar

http://www.easy-share.com/1906854768/Peg_Hair_TS3.rar

http://hotfile.com/dl/8983673/a53f976/Peg_Hair_TS3.rar.html

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=0KCQ8BVD

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=W0ARJRSL

http://www.easy-share.com/1906854780/Peg Hair TS3.rar

http://depositfiles.com/files/u7argf1gm

http://www.flyupload.com/?fid=342925875

http://www.badongo.com/file/16120167

http://www.sendspace.com/file/v74v1a

http://netload.in/datei4nUyd0c4N9.htm

http://www.load.to/zmte7sZCaV/Peg_Hair_TS3.rar

http://www.mediafire.com/?gdvgcxu22u9

http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?w0fh2nmjmqo

http://www.megashare.com/1271595

http://www.2shared.com/file/6791315/8ba64426/Peg_Hair_TS3.html

http://hotfile.com/dl/8983725/1e35a6d/Peg_Hair_TS3.rar.html

Thanks Motoki!  More ammo, hee hee...

http://www.moreawesomethanyou.com/smf/index.php/topic,15971.msg462369.html#msg462369


Let's see, who am I going to believe, respected member of the community who has worked hard for free, shared his work and never charged anyone a dime or money grubbing ho who makes half assed borked up files and never bothers to fix them?

Who converted the peggy TS2 hair? It just seemed to show up outta nowhere.... ???

Also gives Cat standing O.

Stupid peggy..... ::)

It's a mystery. Peggy has never commented on it. It was found on the Exchange where some Russian user had a sim with that hair and put it up. Then someone at Garden of Shadows somehow managed to find it? No clue.

It does replace the bob hair which I think is actually fairly tasteful. It's an odd choice for one to replace. I would think Peggy would have picked something weirder and less cutesy to replace.

Does Peggy pay these people in PG or are they just dumb and want shinies?
Some gems from the sparkly forum.

"those disputation is bullshit....what i care most is that how marvelous the creations are!!"

"yes, more importantly, Simmers are looking forward to more smashing custom content like sims2.  Assult, slander and fight are so ridiculous."

*headdesk headdesk headdesk*

I think the way to get through to their kind is show them actual high quality shinies, for free, and links to the booty.  Hope their insatiable lust for bishy anime hair trumps any cultish loyalty they feel towards Peggy.  Are they spending their parents money, so it doesn't matter to them?

edit: SparkleLand is down for maintenance.  Massive post purge?  Upload of more borked crap?  Maybe someone wrote working software for Peggy and she's remaking her crap to hide evidence she used Wes' software?  We'll see what tomorrow brings.

Link please, I'm a member there and didn't see it.  ;D

Her site is up for me. There are no new files on it. I didn't check out the forum, take too damn long to load on dial up. But I did find something I laughed at, its her site disclaimer, it says she posted it the same day as the disclaimer for sims 3 junk:


Yeah, sure you are Peggy.

Another thing I noticed is right below the above line there is this one:


A just plain hotmail.com email address would not be a Chinese email address, would it?

Your kidding right. She uses a hotmail account to run her site. Does she realise that it takes about 30 seconds to set up a example@peggyzone.net email address to redirect to a hotmail account and be able to send as that address from hotmail?

@Hotmail.com is commercial and can be accessed and used anywhere in the world. If it was @Hotmail.co.uk for example, we'd know she was in Britain.

A lot of chinese 'businesses' just use their hotmail address to talk to customers. I dealt with one website in which the staff responded back to me through their personal hotmail account and even added me on MSN.

Are there currently any posts about this on her forum, or all they all officially deleted?

Also keep in mind that most of the people who fund Peggy seem to be non-English speakers or spoiled little teenagers, so always remember to keep your rebuttals simple. I've been using the "Peggy is mean!" approach over the "Peggy's actions are illegal and unethical" approach. I mean, clearly anyone who has been a Peggy fan for more than five minutes is dumb or doesn't speak enough English to know what we're yelling at them.

ETA: Aww, I got IP banned. I was thinking about PMing her about this:

For all the Peggy 12's that like anime hair - SAU is almost running and I would just embed links to Coris and Myos's site- they do very similar hairstyles without the gaps, funky weird meshing, poor textures, ugly colors, etc- all 100% free - and even though their current TS3 hair replaces the guys Mohawk it doesn't rely on shit you have to buy from the Store - and even if it did you are only paying once to a corporation who has the legal right (though probably not moral since they could easily include the shit in a SP/EP and charge less for it) to sell it in the first place

The recent SAU hair was causing people issues and also replaced another hair if I recall correctly. People need to chill out on the hair making for a bit until everything is figured out and there's proper tools and tutorials. HP has acces to some private tools Delphy hasn't released yet so that's why her stuff works and works well without replacing.

All the hairs that replaces ingame hairs are extremelly buggy and make your game crash. Stay away from it, don't even look at it :D
The only thing that work on existing EA hairs is alpha edits, there's one really nice on MATY that removes the pinapple thing (http://www.moreawesomethanyou.com/smf/index.php/topic,15775.msg454129.html#msg454129)

Well now!  Let's sick Peggy on Jassims and see what happens!

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edit: Someone please tell me which EA Store hair is needed for Peggy Sims 3 hair to work.  And which Peggy hair?  All her Sims 3 hair?  If we tell the Sparkle Landers exactly how to make Peggy hair work, they'll do it, and then they'll know it's not independent.  She won't be able to lie to them anymore about that.  I don't have Sims 3 installed, can't check myself.

I wish someone would alpha edit some others, like raise the male shaggy bangs a bit so you can actually see their eyes and maybe make that sticking up hair a little less sticking up.

I tried but I clearly did something wrong because it crashed my game when I selected the hair I did with the alpha edit in the CAS. :P

Me too Motoki, clearly some EA choices for hairs details is awful. Ditto for your suggestions. Plus lowering the fringe for the female hair/making it longer, it's ridiculous as it is ::) *hint hint for all the alpha editers*

Strange. The pinapple edit works flawlessly for me, delete your caches.

CatOfWar, there's no way to know which store hair is needed for Peggy's shit. Try checking peggy's file with postal, the store hair name may be buried somewhere inside.

No I meant I tried to do an alpha edit myself on the male shaggy hair and I did something wrong obviously because it crashed my game. Meh, I guess I could keep at it and try harder or ask around, but I wasn't in the mood at the time.  :P

I think 'delete your cache' is the Sims 3 community's catch all cure for all problems. It's like when people say defrag your hard drive for any and every computer problem under the sun.

I should try deleting my cache and seeing if it makes my bills go away irl.  ;D

PM the MATY alpha editer that made the pinapple thing, you could grab some advices or infos.

LOL true, 'delete your caches' is the number #1 voodoo solution for sims 3 crashing when adding new stuff. The thing is that it works most of the times ::) So why not? It won't hurt ya ^^

Will try that.  However, can you confirm for sure that Peggy hair does indeed require Store hair, or it won't work?  I don't have the game and won't arr it.  That's my understanding, what I'm getting from Delphy's post on MTS (http://www.modthesims.info/showthread.php?t=356715&c=1&ht=&page=2&pp=25#startcomments) and the MATY thread, but I don't have the game, so can't confirm this myself.  I've been running around PeggyZone screaming "Peggy's crap requires store hair!!!" (well, not in those exact words), but I want to make really sure.  This is what I've gleaned from user reports at PeggyZone (the ones that weren't deleted before I saw them).

- Peggy hair works if you have hacks (duh!)
- Peggy hair works if you don't have hacks (duh!)
- Peggy hair works if you have EA Store hair

What I *don't* see is reports that say "Peggy hair doesn't work if you don't have EA Store hair".  If that were posted, I'm sure the mods would nuke such posts, so someone from here or MATY or MTS needs to tell me.

edit: I can't spell.

Well, that's what Delphy & users at MATY reported. Delphy checked her hair & concluded to that, frankly I trust him for that. Anyway I cannot check since I have almost all the store hairs installed. It's gonna be hard finding someone who has sims 3 yet don't have any store hair to check. :(

New info about this at MTS! (see post #119) (http://www.modthesims.info/showthread.php?p=2734461#post2734461)  I asked Delphy to clarify what "doesn't work" means.  Doesn't show up at all?  Shows up but crashes?  Meanwhile, check out Delphy's latest learnings!


And this useful info from HP, tells you exactly *which* hair Peggy used.


I love MTS to bits.

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edit:
Can't you just temporarily remove the EA store hair, then put it back?  Or does Sims 3 not allow that?  Meh, I'm going to have to find a used copy of Sims 3 somewhere, so I don't have to keep bugging people to check stuff for me.  Stupid EA.  Stupid Peggy.

Stupid monkey. Sorry, just got done watching Robot Chicken again and that struck me as the next logical thing to say. Blame it on this being my Monday and your Friday. :P

Nope, store hairs aren't packages. At that time there wasn't much choice except using the launcher, removing anything with it is a total pain in the ass and you have to create a new hood to check the game without the missing store hair ('cause if one sim uses the removed hair you're screwed and crash to desktop. It's not like sims 2 were the sim would end up bald.) Plus hair creates 2 files in the launcher, one for teen-YA-A and one for elders, so you'ld have to remove both to be totally sure.
rum_nate do you have the 'beautiful split' installed? You know, that bob like hair with a middle split?
EDIT: I see that MissA is reading the thread. Missie, something tells me you don't have the store hairs installed. Is my guess right? (LOL I have 50% chance, gotta try :D)

Delphy added on post 124:
Peggy is indeed a stupid monkey :(

EDIT2: I see someone at MTS tried by removing the store hairs. I sure hope she didn't forget the store elder parts for the test to be valid.

I have the store hairs installed.  They are in package form after you install them.  I use Delphy's Multi Installer for sims3packs.  (The launcher is bad, mmkay?)

Store hairs are packages. I didn't use the launcher to install them (I've never used the launcher to install anything), so for me it was simply a matter of dragging them out of my Mods\Packages folder.

I took out all my CC except for the Peggy hairs, cleared my cache... and all the hairs worked fine. And by fine I mean significantly better than any Peggy TS2 hair. I wish I could say otherwise.

I don't know why other people are having problems. It would be nice to see someone who's never had the Store hairs try the Peg hairs.

(My results are in more detail in that MTS thread, post 129 and 131.)

I have a totally vanilla installation with no hacks or Store hairs. I'll throw her hair in and see what happens. BRB.

Store hairs from the store thread in MATY are not packages. They're raw simspacks and at that time there's wasn't much tools to transform them. I grabbed them as soon as MATY posted them and installed them like all the matians did, following their instructions: that meant using the damn shitty launcher. Multi pack installer quickly came afterward eventhough it was first quircky. But anyway all the store items were already installed in my game using the launcher. So Jeez' don't waste your speech on me, there wasn't much choice at that time, that's it. Good for you, and bad for me since now I have to clean the mess. Don't worry, I know the damn thing is evil itself >:(

o.O  Is it just me or do you seem upset?  If so, calm down.  It'll all be okay.  :)  

I ignored the Matyian instructions on how to install.  I already had the Multi Installer at the time.  I have no intentions of using the launcher ever and wouldn't have installed the sims3packs if it meant using the launcher.  I have chosen not to have Riverview because, at least as far as I know, you have to use the launcher to have it in your game.

Actually I'm like you House I used the launcher for all the store stuff also. I just close my internet connection while I used it. My firewall blocks it anyway but hey it's really not a hassle to switch my radio off for a minute. So what if you use Delphy's tool everything has to go into the mods folder then? Does that work with lot?

She is just a lazy greedy bitch who doesn't care about doing things right, as long as she can get something to look cute in a screenshot then she doesn't give a shit about the rest.

She doesn't have an attention to detail, never has and never will. People need to know that going into it getting any of her stuff. And it's one thing to download something for free and find out it's all half assed and fucked up (although any content creator who truly gives a shit about their work would never do such a thing or would fix it when pointed out) but it's quite another to pay for something and then find out it was made poorly and incorrectly and does not function in all ways it should or else operate as advertised.

And I will swim upstream and say I like installing things with the installer because it lets me know what is custom content and what isn't.

It is maddeningly slow sometimes, but otherwise I have no issues with it. If you are worried about it phoning home then just shut your internet off when you run it.

Note that I don't actually launch the game from it, I just use it to install content.

It also shows me what I already have installed which I find rather handy.

Okay, clearly I have done something wrong because Peggy's pay hair didn't show up for me at all. I followed the instructions in the readme that came in the download after downloading Delphy's resource.cfg and putting it in the root folder, fired up the game and nada. I clicked all the hairs in create a sim for all the ages and it ain't there. Peggy's website suggested deleting cache files so I did and tried again and still no Peggy hair. Again, I clicked through all the hairs in all the ages just to make sure it wasn't there and it isn't.

Since I don't have any other CC in my game I thought I would test HP's cherub hair to see if it was me having a brain fart or what. So I extracted the .package files to Mods/Packages, fired up the game, entered CAS and this is what greeted me:

(http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x283/lucyvanklinken/Sims2/Screenshot.jpg)

Irrelevant I know but I LOL'd. Ahem. Anyway, guess what is available? Not Peggy hair (which is still in Mods/Packages, btw), but the cherub hair is right there! In all of it's awesomeness:

(http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x283/lucyvanklinken/Sims2/Screenshot-2.jpg)

and a screenie made with my screenshot program which is really dark for some reason:

(http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x283/lucyvanklinken/Sims2/2009-07-25_010133.jpg)

I still could be doing something wrong (probably am) but HP's hair just worked without any fiddling and Peggy's didn't FWIW.

Love that sim! She is such a tickety tack fierce tranny hot mess!  :D

And I am going to get a jar and start putting a penny in it every time I read someone say to clear the cache to fix a problem.  ;)

Figures Peggy's crap doesn't work without the store hair.  ::)

It used to work okay at first, not now. It doesn't seem to phone home much, apart for the store advertising. But anyway I nuked it with zonealarm. No, the thing is that I can't stand that launcher anymore, it's slow as hell to launch and scroll that long list and installing & removing items is a pain (failed install/uninstall FTW, have to do it several times in a row; and scrolling in that list is looooong).
Now that it's bloated with almost all the store items plus a handful of CC from when I still didn't have any tools, it's even more slow, it's killing me. I want to clean it, keeping only Riverview and store hairs (since these all weild 2 parts), I'll transform the rest in single packages for easier use. This way when (and if) there will be more neighbourhoods to install, the launcher won't be so slow and borked as it is now and would correctly install. If at least we could click on buttons for a sublist like "display patterns only" for example; it'ld be a bit handy and my wrath to to rip this program apart wouldn't be so big ::)

Kenmtl, I don't know how Delphy's Sims 3 viewer handles lots, it seems to work okay for bare CC though (forget about using subdirectories for CC with it, extract all the packs somewhere and move them yourself). You should read the original thread for lots infos: http://forum.jfade.com/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=466

Yeah but the thing is if you install things via the launcher you can see by the special icon that its donated as custom content and you can delete it in the game itself, in the CAS or the design tool or the family/house library. You don't have to delete it in the launcher.

But if you install the MTS2 you have no way to tell what is custom content and what isn't and you can't delete them in game. You can delete them, of course, by deleting the package file in the directory, but then I can't see what it is so I might not know what the hell it is just by the file name.

With HP's hairs it's pretty obvious but not with patterns! I downloaded a ton of Patterns on MTS2. I can't even tell which ones are EA and which ones are MTS2 ones. If I wanted to delete them just looking at the file name does help me.

I know the launcher is slow as hell, trust me I know, but in my experience file management is easier with it than without it.

Samantha, you don't have the Store Hairs installed right? This may be the confirmation that we were looking for that thaey don't work without the store hair.  I doubt that you did wrong but I would bet money that it is something that Peggy did wrong.

Here (http://www.modyourpanties.com/images/090724214552-icanhassubfolders.gif)'s how my Mods/Packages sub-foldering looks.  Of course I can't expand it all the way to show all the folders in one screenshot, but I have over 80 folders so far.

I am not sure if the Multi Installer works with lots or not.  You could use the 3viewer for lots instead.

House: The 3Viewer installs Lots just fine. No probs here.

SamanthaS: Awesome! Thanks so much for testing it out! Interesting (and helpful) results.

I don't have anything in my game except Delphy's resource.cfg file (downloaded from MTS), Peggy's hair and HP's Cherub hair. No hacks, nothing from the store, or anything else. Peggy's hair did not show up for me at all.

So we finally got a confirmation. Thanks for the test SamanthaS.

Cross posted from MTS:

Annnnd I suck at reading comprehension. I downloaded the hair from this post (http://phorum.mustnotbenamed.com/index.php/topic,2502.msg149835.html#msg149835) which I think is the one that caused some drama on The Exchange? I don't know but dang it, the pay hair does work:

(http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x283/lucyvanklinken/Sims2/Screenshot-1.jpg)

She's as sad about that hair being on her head as I am. Sorry for my failcaeks. :(

Damn, apparently I can't resize a frikkin' image either.

If you actually look at the hairs and compare it to some of the base game hairs - that one looks to be an edit and retexture of one of the base game hairs- as is the really long  waist length one that is free - there are similar hairs to both of those in the base game. Peggy still does not have the right to sell any part of them- that right is exclusively EA's  or  the EA Creator who came up with it - according to both the EULA and  most international copyright laws which outweighs the EULA every time - because if the copyright belongs to someone else (EA or the EA creator who made it) legally you cannot sell if without a legal document granting you the right to sell the copyright owners content, programs etc-

 Walmart has to have one of these to sell EA products Peggy - Walmart is a legitimate business selling EA's content legally- You are not either by the EULA or the EA/Sims 3 Copyright filed with the United States Government and in fact the government of the Peoples Republic of China - you are not licensed by EA Games to sell their stuff - any part of it- and while there may be freesites with the same problematic content as yours- people don't complain because when someone gives you free ice cream you lose the right to bitch about the flavo. r

- Your customers pay you which means they have the right to bitch, critique, and complain about your content - and to ask for refunds of their donations when it is borked- don't bitch because people criticize you.

DO A BETTER JOB WITH YOUR MESHES SO THAT THE THINGS PEOPLE ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT SUCH AS GAME CRASHES, GAPS , POOR TEXTURES AND BAD COLORING ARE NO LONGER A PROBLEM.

 TRY ACTUALLY PLAYING YOUR GAMES INSTEAD OF JUST OPENING THEM UP TO TAKE PICTURES- THIS WILL ACTUALLY TELL YOU HOW YOUR CONTENT S LOOKS AND WORK IN GAME AND IT IS ELEMENTARY KNOWLEDGE IN  CUSTOM CONTENT CREATION THAT MY 12 YEAR OLD NIECE RECOLORING CLOTHES IN BODYSHOP KNOWS AND UNDERSTANDS!!!

 I have worked in customer service (that is what it is when you sell someone a product) and the number one rule of customer service in ANY COUNTRY   is that CUSTOMER (and that is what your members are thy buy stuff=customers) is ALWAYS RIGHT!

SamanthaS Big, big thanks for testing.  When you were first testing Peggy hair, you said you had Delphy's *.cfg file.  Does that mean you did NOT have Peggy's *.cfg file?  When you got that Exchange hair, did it come with a *.cfg file?  

I ask because Peggy made a (likely borked) *.cfg file that she insists people install with her hair.  She says the hair needs the *.cfg to work.  And if I recall right, didn't Delphy say Peggy put some store stuff in the *.cfg?

Note that I am typing this while extremely sleepy, so double check what Delphy said.

Plum thanks again for testing.  I'm thinking what could be different about your setup and SamanthaS's.  She had vanilla, you had EA Store hair, in package form, that you removed.  Any other differences come to mind?

There are one or two folks in SparkleLand who sound like they are trying to figure out why it doesn't work in a rational manner, although they believe everything Peggy tells them, so that's probably hampering them.  May be worth checking the sparkle forum to see if there's any new info from them (hey, it's theoretically not impossible).  I'll check tomorrow, when I'm awake.

I decided to look at what the difference between Peggy's .cfg and Delphy's .cfg. Mind you I know nothing about this, but I can tell they are really different.

Delphy's:

Priority 500
PackedFile Mods/Packages/*.package
PackedFile Mods/Packages/*/*.package
PackedFile Mods/Packages/*/*/*.package
PackedFile Mods/Packages/*/*/*/*.package
PackedFile Mods/Packages/*/*/*/*/.package

Peggy's:

Priority 501
DirectoryFiles  Mods/Files/... autoupdate
Priority 500
PackedFile Mods/Packages/*.package
Priority 499
PackedFile Mods/Test/*.package
Priority -50
PackedFile Mods/Probation/*.package

And I have to share a really nice looking pic from her forum:

(http://i40.tinypic.com/dmxy5s.jpg)

The person who posted it, that is the problem they are having with the hair. A mod's response to it was:


I don't think an EA hair would turn into an ugly blob on certain face shapes.

And the damn smilies on her forum, I swear one of them it was bleeding though its nose, and then blood was going into its mouth, and then it was blowing the blood away, I'll just share the post, mind you it is scary:
http://www.peggyzone.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=275&page=3&authorid=660145

That is such utter Peggy bullshit. Why can others make hair that looks fine whenever? Especially if someone pays for her shit that is inexcusable.

Oh and HULK SMASH!! for the 12ish cutesy wutesy use of 'u'.  >:(

There was a Resource.cfg in the booty .zip but I didn't put it in since I already had Delphy's. The bootleg Peggy hair that I put in first didn't have a Resource.cfg with it (hence the reason I used Delphy's to begin with) but some weird extra .package file that was a jumble of numbers that started with 0x.....package. The instructions in that .rar file said said this:


I took those out and deleted that DCBackup folder when I put Peggy's pay hair in and it made no difference, her pay hair worked.

Ignoring all the other WTF-ery in this topic:


... Eh? Who the hell would want a smiley like that? What does it SAY? What does it MEAN? Why would you need to use it?  ???

I guess it just confirms my growing suspicion that Peggy is a little... weird in a certain important body part. Or a lot.  ;D

Here's the wtf smiley: (http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x283/lucyvanklinken/Sims2/119.gif) Looks like someone kissed him on his cheek and he promptly got a nosebleed.

Oh God. It's time for dinner but I'm now totally digusted :-X

Apparently, there's a belief in Asia that nosebleeds mean sexual arousal. It's very common in Anime, although I have also seen it in some live action Hong Kong films as well. Although the link below says males, it's been known to happen to female characters too, just not as common.

http://web.mit.edu/anime/www/culture-notes.html#nosebleeds

Delphy said Peggy ripped about 80% of a store hair package out, I think that is what is in the "wierd extra .package".  I think it is the store hair, minus its mesh and texture.  Must download Delphy's package compare tool and check this.  Looks like people don't have to buy EA Store hair because Peggy already stole it and is selling it with her hair.  But that still means Peggy hair needs store hair to work (you just get it from Peggy, not the store).

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edit: Nosebleeds as a sign of arousal?  Bleh!  Eeeeeew!  Ick!  Thank goodness I finished lunch.  Now to keep it down.

Right but when I took that weird .package out the pay hair still showed up in my game. Also, wouldn't Peggy get in trouble with EA for redistributing a Store hair?

Nosebleed? Arousal? OMG.

Well, it's still WTF. People get sexually aroused from many things, but from Peggy hairs? Naah.  :D

And you've already said that you did not have store hair in your game either.  Hm.  Puzzling.  Well, it's still useful test data.  I'll try it myself once my used copy of Sims 3 arrives.

I doubt EA will care, although we really should tell them.  They have never give a flying duck about their EULA, so here's what I think might happen.  We tell them, they do nothing, then we can gleefully run around teh intarwebz shouting "take whatever you want from EA, they don't care, Peggy did it, see?", and see what happens.  They've never gone after MATY either, and no one there seems particularly concerned that they will.  I'm not advocating stealing EA stuff, just telling others that EA doesn't care if you do.  Or, we tell them, they tell Peggy to quit it, and maybe she does, maybe she doesn't, but either way, we have proof she's going against EA's wishes.  Good for us either way.

But didn't EA wrongly go after us for sharing Sims 2 store content a few months back?

Since I've cross posted here and MTS the info is starting to get all jumbled so let me go over what I did from start to finish:

1. Freshly installed game.

2. Never used the launcher at all. I ran the game only from TS3.exe. No custom or Store content in my game at all.

3. Downloaded the file from the first mediafire link in this (http://phorum.mustnotbenamed.com/index.php/topic,2502.msg149835.html#msg149835) post, thinking it was the pay hair.

4. Went to the wiki to read up on installing CC in TS3 because I hadn't as yet, done so. Downloaded the Resource.cfg file from the article and put it in folder specified.

5. Followed the instructions in the readme that came with Peggy's download:
(I had to create the folder DCBackup because I didn't have one)

6. Fired up game, entered CAS, clicked through all the hairs to see if it had replaced any and it hadn't that I could tell. Quit game. Deleted cache files per Peggy's site's instructions tried again, no hair.

7. Downloaded HP's cherub hair, extracted to Mods\Packages, fired up game, success cute HP hair.

8. Realized the Peggy hair I downloaded wasn't the pay version but the free mystery version that was causing much drama on the Exchange. Oops. Removed that hair from Mods\Packages and deleted the DCBackup folder and the 0x...package file inside it.

9. Extracted Peggy pay hair to Mods\Packages, fired up the game and DAMMIT. Peggy pay hair. I now have blood streaming out of my nose that I'm having to blow away from my mouth like that stupid smiley but it ain't out of love, more like a seething RAEG because the hair worked.

I didn't put her Resource.cfg in my game because I already had Delphy's.

SamanthaS, thanks for the summary!

I don't remember.  By "us" do you mean PMBD or MATY, because PMBD doesn't share EA stuff.  Was there a thread about this?  Stupid EA.  Why not go after the people who actually sell their stuff, like Peggy?  *sigh*

Nope. I had a lot of CC, but removed it all, cleared my cache files, and started a new town. Everything worked dandy. :/ I wish the long free hair didn't clip so much; it's the only hair I like.

Your welcome and this link (http://www.moreawesomethanyou.com/smf/index.php/topic,13946.0.html) has info about EA threatening MATY.

Ehhh, I thought we got one too.

Someone should post on Peggy's forum asking why they have to put a file in My Documents\Electronic Arts\The Sims 3\DCBackup. I would love to see what Peggy or a mod says about that.

I'm sure you thought we got one because Pes did post a thread about it in Arr!

That could be Missbonbon, a lot has happened this year, hard to keep up with it all.


And I have found what has to be the best message someone posted on Peggy's forum:


I'm also checking out TSR to see what the sheep there have to say about Peggy's hair, and I found something I had to laugh at. When Peggy posted her first hair, the one that replaces the female mohawk, someone on the TSR fourms posted a link to it. A mod edited their post and took out the link. Reason? "Mod Edit: Please do not link to sites which fail to meet TSR's PG13 policy."

In another post when HP posted the 2 hairs she did, someone linked them and a mod edited the post for the same reason above. MTS is way more PG13 than TSR ever will be.

I'm also reading all the sheep saying MTS is so confusing, you can't find anything. Yeah, sure.  ::)

As far as the posts about it being us that were sharing files;  We were accused of being the ones who were sharing store files but it was on the BBS by Drea in a post defending TSR IIRC.  It wasn't here.  She went off on the BBS about how store files were being shared here and many people had to try to set here straight.  She also went over to MATY and had a bitchfest there.

That could also be what I was thinking of. Wasn't there a thread about her post about us sharing the store content somewhere here?

I am sure we discussed it but I have no idea where.  She seemed to quickly forget about it and go after MATY but never admitted she was wrong.

Actually, Drea then forbade the linkage or mention of MATY, PMDB or Coconut's blog on the BBS

I remember when that happened. Coconut updated her link to get around the the ban, because it banned the address, the the blog in general.

But there are people posting the link to here on the Sims 3 BBS and I haven't seen bannings yet. But there are also people going around saying it is against the rules to link to MTS because they have "other" types of hacks. No mod has come to say if they can link there or not. But that BBS is a mess, people posting shit in all the wrong areas, and I have only looked at the store sections. There was a thread in the general store section asking how to get the death flower or something, and I'm pretty sure its still there. If they don't do anything,its going to end up like the Sim City Society's BBS(Is that still even open, I haven't checked since Patch 5 came out, just before Destinations came out).

Uh, that would be what the DOWNLOADS link is for. Though I must admit in their quest to be all things to all people they went a little overboard on the customization and almost gave people too many options.

MTS is  not hard at all compared to the paysite epileptic seizure inducing menus- Click on downloads at the top of the screen- pick Sims 2 or Sims 3- when you get there things will be separated according to what they are - pic an option , click through the pages download what you want - of course given the probably  illiteracy rate amongst many of  the 12's that people Peggy's forums and site due to crap education many parts of the world  I can see where some of Peggy's downloaders might find MTS a little daunting. After all you do have to read a little to find what you want it isn't pointed out in bright sparkly blinking Flash animations.

The people saying MTS is confusing and hard to figure out were the sheep at TSR, not the Peggy sheep. Two different breeds there.

Some unknown person fixed Peggy's first hair to not be a replacement for the mohawk. Clearly she is too busy to be bothered to fix her own work.  ::)

http://www.mediafire.com/?mlmjoiutd2j

They also fixed the bootleg 'Angela' hair and the SAU 'starfish' hair. Now none of them replace anything.

(http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/1872/47062752.png)

Well Rose has a new hair up that doesn't replace anything. At least she had enough god damned sense to wait until stuff was figured out a little better.

It's free, but it's called Rosefreehair001 which strongly implies there are some forthcoming that will not be. :P

There definitely will be pay hairs. I will guarantee you by the model on her front page, she is currently working through converting all her hairs to Sims 3. Then probably going to make the masses pay for them twice. Hell even Peggy's first free hair had "F" in it whereas the donation hairs did not. They were openly planning on selling their shit.

For what it's worth, I tracked down the original source of the bootleg Peggy hair:

http://cazy12341984.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!27AD4FA794BF4AFA!2470.entry

She seemed annoyed that it got spread around, especially to the Exchange (what did she expect? DUH) and took it down.

She also seems to imply that she's done further revisions since the version that was spread around but it's kind of hard to tell since her writing is very ESL. :P

I tried to read what she posted about that hair and didn't understand a thing, apart that's she's pissed off that this hairs got reuploaded.
She sure seems to know a lot about hair meshes and convertions though and is aiming for perfection and quality. That's promosing, I'm really impressed. She's currently converting other hairs (there's one by Ren in the works!). Let's hope she chooses to share her toys... One day; if she manages to actually finish them :D I'm mean that she has a lot of projects ongoing, it seems too much.

Yeah and it looks like she's busy with other crap too like DDR and cyber dollies and such.

Oh, posted this at MATY but I peeked at the Peggy hairs in Milkshape for the shits and grins. Of course the dumb bitch did not bother to make LOD meshes. She just pasted the same high poly mesh in 4 times over. So even when the camera is very far away it will render her near 10k poly hairs although you won't be able to make out any detail from that distance. Waste of resources. She set them to spawn on townies too so that sort of compounds the issue.

It's very simple to make lower poly optimized version of your mesh too. It's seriously as easy as sliding a bar across.

From HP's hair creation tutorial:

http://www.modthesims.info/wiki.php?title=Tutorial:Sims_3_Hair_Basics


Oh and last but not least, the part we know Peggy always adheres to  ::)

Another bootleg Peggy hair has surfaces via Cazy (http://cazy12341984.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!27AD4FA794BF4AFA!2477.entry) who converted that other hair.

(http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n35/l_lds2006/Screenshot-290.jpg)

You have to scroll quite a bit down for the link, but Sunhair at GOS (http://www.digitalperversion.net/gardenofshadows/index.php?topic=13552.msg378599#msg378599) repacked it without any of that nonsense.

http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?yqdgiqtitru

Supposedly doesn't replace anything this time. The creator says it's high poly (and this was after reducing the polys. Peggy's TS2 original was worse!) but there are poly reduced LOD meshes.

Should we alert the fans at PeggyZone?  :D

I'm in Peggy's forum, subverting her doods.  Well, trying to, at least, without drawing attention or getting that particular account banned.  Want them to see what all else is out there, that it's free, and much better.  Want them to question what Peggy says, not just believe everything without question.  The first is much easier than the second.  They want shinies, so you say, hey look, a shiny!  It feels slightly productvie, but not nearly as fun as rampaging and raging through the forum. ;)  Maybe it'll be time to do that later?

Then it's still better than peggy's hair. This girl is amazing. Now if she could land back on earth as her mind seems to be going for a cruise. :D

CatOfWar, continue using the soft and innocent way or you'll be banned. Suggested: crying smileys for "Why...?" and love smileys for "I love Peggy's hairs! Look at this one at GoS! It's looooooovely!" ;)

Exchange people linked the passworded one and they are getting their panties in a bunch over it and over a 7z file *chortles*  :D

http://forum.thesims3.com/jforum/posts/list/120/69711.page

Good lord one person asked how you unzip a zip file. Are you kidding me?  :o

And I love how the Exchange like 5 minutes after some obscure hair file from Asia or where ever leaks out on someones blog they all have to go showing off their new toys and think they are so cool that they have a new hair. Except a bunch of other people have the same damned hair so not really unique.

And then the less resourceful people, which is like 75% of the damned board, whine and crazy and stamp their feet and beg and plead and go into a tizzy about how their life will just end if they don't get that hair!

*dies of laughter* Great read! Thanks for the link Motoki ;D

DO IT! :D


dr. House - Yes, innocent and full of smileys.  When rampaging, I use sacrificial lamb accounts, so if those are banned, no problem.  The innocent account uses a different IP.

Ah yes, I forgot the NOSEBLEED smileys!! Uber important for your ninja disguise! ;)

Pleaz guys post links to her damned forum when she'll discover this yet other converted hair, I wanna read the fun but don't want to delve in her nonsense universe looking for this talk. Btw I tested the curly hair ingame, of course it looks nice - that girl did an amazing work - but from the side it's meh. Let's say that finally fat sims will have a hair that does not poke through their boobs ::) Yup curls are floating afar in front of the chest. 't was to be expected though.

Rose has 3 donation hairs now.

Link: http://rosesims2.net/contribute/sims3%20donate/rosesims3donation_1.htm

Oo I didn't know her pay hairs were for "Famale" :D I'll have to try and make one.
The first hair looks vaguely like one of the store hair, why bother? The second one is utterly ridiculous and the third one looks like the free peggy's.

Has anyone noticed the amount of content people take from MTS and share on Peggy's forum? There are several patterns there, and even the mod HP made to edit the texture of floor edges. And the people who re upload the stuff on there don't even change the file name, they still say MTS on the file name, so you know they took it. And of course, none of the mods seem to have a problem with it.

Someone should take some pay content from TSR that is in the booty and share it there, see if anyone says or does anything.

I've posted on Peggy's forums regarding theft of the Helper Monkey and my floor thingie.  And reported it.  I'll be raising a much louder stink soon if nothing is done.

All stuff made with DABOOBS (which Rose acknowledged in her big thanks message) are file share friendly.  So her pay stuff can be happily reposted without her being able to complain too much.  Of course, using Wes's tool means she shouldn't be selling it in the first place, but I guess she should read the fine print before just clicking through...

I need to double check this, but I belive uploading images and files on PeggyZone gets you PeggyG, which you spend on paycrap.  That's why they do it.  And Peggy encourages this, because it keeps more people on her site.  Why go to MTS if you can get MTS stuff from Peggy?

Yeah, I saw your post about your floor thing HP, but the helper monkey was stolen too? I'm going to have to go find that. Too bad you can't use the search if you aren't logged in, and I really don't want to make an account.

Thats nice stuff made in DABOOBS is file share friendly. There will be some people who will complain, but they won't have a leg to stand on about it, so thats good.

Quite a lot of the PeggyG stuff can be found at other sites. Usually it's just the creator cross posting, but there have been things like someone making a recolor set using one of Adele's meshes - and including that mesh in the download file, which is against Adele's policy. There is absolutely no respect for other creators over there, and it wouldn't be one bit surprising to see Peggy encouraging that disrespect.

Rose has released her donation hairs using WesH and Delphy tools. You can find them here (http://www.rosesims2.net/). This looks like she is throwing the finger at the creators of the tools.  They will be free on the net as soon as she sends her "customers" the files.

Yes it does. I got a couple of Peggy silver for innocently ;) pointing out where people can find the Peggy bootleg TS2 to TS3 converted hairs for free along with a nice picture to showcase the goods.

even though i like most female hairs i think its bs that theyre charging money already when there's such limited custom hair out there, it doesnt help that the hairstyles for males look extremely feminine which i hate, i like my male sims to look like men thank you

I think I will just wait on HystericalParoxysm to release her and Nouks hairs. I have the Rose bob in game but it is the only one I ever liked much anyway - other than that I am staying away from her site- no thanks - better hair creators in the free community

Peggy's 'male' hairs always look feminine. Same for Rose. They admire the bishounen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bish%C5%8Dnen) asthetic, apparently. :P

Honestly I don't think they would know a masculine hairstyle if a toupee hit them in the face.

So guys it does not help when EA supports paysites! Makes you wonder if it is all worth it right? I mean come on now if they did not want people charging for TS3 stuff then why the hell post up the links? So my question is what the hell can you do about it when EA advertises the paysites?

Something just does not make sense here. I'm confused!

http://forum.thesims3.com/jforum/posts/list/77757.page (http://forum.thesims3.com/jforum/posts/list/77757.page)

Jee so SimGuruHydra hasn't noticed Peggy's Hooker clothes yet. Maybe someone should post this link at the forum for their little lists thread http://www.peggyzone.com/Sims3Detail.html?id=000013. Street corner ho here we come - almost as non PG-13 as it gets . Everything on MTS so far has been pretty tasteful in comparison to this. Even Pipmons corsets cover more than this skirt and shirt

What's this "pirated" nonsense?  Doesn't their shiny new Sims 3 EULA say people can copy and redistribute?  Damn EA and their utter inconsistency.

I fired off a letter to EA stating how concerned I was about them linking to "pirate" sites on their forum (peggyzone) who is using software that she doesn't have  permission to use, to create and sell custom content ( WesH's tool). Also having pirated custom content from MTS on her site.  It goes both ways pirated cannot only be about paid content being shared without creators consent, it is ALL content being shared without creators consent. I also sent them a copy of their EULA incase they haven't had the chance to read it yet.  They wonder why nobody takes them seriously.

Hey guys, have you seen that rosesims has a limited-in-time free donation hair? Yes, after that date it'll become a donation. What a scam.
(http://www.rosesims2.net/sims3/image/R_donte_free15days.jpg)
Now that reminds me of peggy... Ow how much shit she used to steer with her special hairs free for a couple of days. All those who missed them would spam the forums with sobby messages, begging for share ::) (Any1 haz the Independance hair pliiiiiz?!!11!!)

Probably stating the obvious that Maxoid/SimGuru Hydra is a complete moron, but anyways...

It really makes me angry every time I see nonsense posts like that.  If anything the first two and last of the sites linked are more offensive than the sites not linked to.

Rose:  Breaking ToU for free tools/History of sharing people's Paypal info (correct me if I'm wrong on this)/etc.

Peggy:  Modding Tool Thief/Breaking ToU for free tools/etc.

TSR:  The name alone is offensive.  Considering they still have thieves like Shakeshaft aboard, have shared people's personal info amongst their FA's, the sudden re-appearance of their stalking hacker still screwing over many people that even dare to try and speak out against them, and get away almost scott-free when the situations are seemingly forgotten by the majority... the fact of them being mentioned fills a lot of people with resentment.

At least the good part is Parsimonious has some spotlight there for a site that has always been 100% free... but the fact that if it wasn't for the unlinked sites like MTS, Simlogical, and MATY, just about all of those linked wouldn't even be in the spotlight.  Of course, asking anyone from EA to admit that is like asking a brick wall to move out of the way.  It's just not going to happen.  That's the main part that frustrates the heck out of me, when people don't get credit after all the hard work put into helping the rest of the community out, and Hydra, Drea, and the rest of EA are too stubborn and stupid to realize that.

Well only a few months ago wasn't EA going on about how it was them who kept the Sims running so long? They don't think its the CC that kept the game alive, its them and all their damn spin offs.

I'm so resisting making a snarky post - granted, it'd just get me banned for a month, but I so want to ask how much those pay sites are paying Hydra under the table. >.>

I'm resisting posting a picture Peggy's Landing Strip Pubes Skintone with the site name and URL and a Pic of HP's Barbie Skintones for TS3 with the site name and URL and the whole things captioned with Hydra which one of these sites do you thing is PG-13?

I do not understand what is going on and I know you all work hard to make people aware of the paysite shenanigans but for EA to post this just made me wonder why they would even link to any paysite when their are hundreds of free sites out there.

I guess the best thing to do is email them and let them know that at least one of the sites bring it above T for teen. I have and numerous others have tried to get on that list with no response. I guess this is their way of saying go ahead and steal and charge for CC we will honor you! But dare do things the right way and we will shun you!

That would be because every one of the Sim Gurus/Maxoids whatever the fuck they are calling themselves now has their hands in TSR's pockets or is all buddy buddy with TSR execs Steve, Thomass, and Johan - Steve the guy that really owns the place (Thomass is just his little puppet) used to be one of them so they are gold as far as the SimGuruMaxoids are concerned.  Of course paysites are going to get first notice by the official form or bullshit brigade service - they are willing to kiss ass royally to get there which means they do PG-13 or not..


 Kate and Jope and Suza from Simply Styling make the list because they are all pretty nice people- and remain neutral in the Pay vs Free Debate - they manage not to offend anyone and are amongst the few truly neutral (meaning that none of them are even registered at PMBD/MATY/Insim that EA or anyone in the Pay Sims Community is aware of) creators out there- most creators and site owners in the Free Community - support free sites and support what the EA EULA Actually says rather than what paysite owners and creators and the SimsGuruMaxoids want it to say.


They just assume that everyone in the Free Community that has ever joined PMBD/MATY and most of those that haven't officially joined either site  but still support the free sites rather than pay sites  supports arring software and filesharing which is not the case. Most of us don't fileshare or arr software. Paysite crap who needs it- Why get shit created by Lianna when you can have Bruno? Why get shitty Peggy hair when you can have Augustin or Nouk?


 EA is blinded by money and ass kissing as they have always been.

They need to remember one thing which I was taught from a young age: The one that is kissing your ass on one day is still in the position the next day to BITE your ass. Food (ecccch) for thought, no?

Nono....EA once was another of those idealistic game companies run by gamers.  Its just they got invaded by big business [which -really- makes you wonder what they teach these days]

Yeah, back when I was on the Amiga my favorite program was their graphics program.  It was great--easy to use with a lot of capability. 

Now they only do shitty games for 12s.

I think everyone at TSR and EA got their business degrees (if they have them at all) in the Pre-Enron, David Milliken days before college business programs started requiring Business Ethics 101 as part of the core curriculum for the degree.

That and they think geeks and game nerds are idiots.

Money goes a long way towards erasing idealism, though. Sad but true.

A no one does anything about it, except teaching how to conveniety disguise everything under a mask of political correctness.

For the record, Rose's hair, well, the long one at least, is shit.  Really glitchy, big gaps appearing off and on, poorly colored.  I am glad she's trying, but it should be free when it's this shitty.  Well, it should always be free, anyway, but more so when it's fucked up. >:(

The deal is that neither Rose or Peggy is genuinely trying. It is one thing for HystericalParoxysysm to take all of her old hairs and all of Nouks and Fanseelambs hairs and convert them for TS3 and give them away for nothing at MTS.  She actually edits the meshes and changes them so that they fit the new Sims in Sims 3 so they look nice. Rose and Peggy both are charging for hairs that are little more than ports of their TS2 hairs which means if you bought those hairs from them when they were TS2 hairs, you are now paying twice for hair that has never even been edited which is why it looks like shit on fat Sims in TS3. The blogger that was doing all the ports of Peggy, Rose and Newsea Pay hairs is now actually releasing them. They have been cleaned up a bit  and had obvious problems fixed by a MATYian and are posted in Pudding Factory at MATY if you have to have the God Awful hairs from those two go get the free ones ported by someone else.


The ironic thing is between the new EULA and WesHowe's and Delphy's EULA's on the hair tools they can get shared all over the internetz and all Peggy and Rose can do is whine and make legal threats with no real basis.

I've been keeping a long list of Asian hairs here at MATY http://www.moreawesomethanyou.com/smf/index.php/topic,16079.0.html

Most are bootleg Peggy conversions, but I just put one of the Rose 'donation' hairs up that someone posted a link to with a bunch of mirrors.

As HP said, by publicly acknowledging the use of Delphy's tool, Rose must abide by the terms of use that she accepted for it, one of which is anything created with it must be file share friendly.

Oh, I have to share what someone posted on peggy's site:


So to me it seems this person is saying no one should be converting Peggy's hairs because only Peggy is an expert on converting her hairs. And also the part about she needs donations to see that people like her work. Ummm, not a single person at MTS or GOS gets money for their work, but they know people like their work because they tell them, and use it, and share pics with the content in use.

That is why she has a comments section and a guest book. That is why you put a little thank you button on your site. We should all quit converting Peggy's  and Rose's hairs because they are to much work to friggin fix in order to make them work properly. We all know creators that have edited and  fixed Peggy hairs back in the TS2 days. I have read threads where those people essentially stated that it would be less of a pain in the ass to just make their own hair rather than fixing  mediocre creators messes in the first place.

I think it's time for an army of sockpuppets to invade the BBS. 

"I'm confused about a rule I keep seeing here.  We are not supposed to link to any site that has any content that raises the games t for teen rating but I keep seeing links to sites like Peggy's which has adult content like nude skins and very adult clothing.  I'm a total newbie here so I jsut don't want to get this wrong."

Bonus points if you throw in a little flattery for the pay crap to make it sound more legit.

It could work, but it needs more stupid. The spelling is too good for it to be mistaken as a legit BBS post.  :P

I proposed to do the same thing in the TSR smutty thread. Make a thread on the BBS and ask about why can't you link to MTS but you can like to TSR when they have content like this *insert any pic of smutty content on TSR, preferably Sims 3 content* Then post a link to the content on TSR so they can't say that isn't from TSR.

I really would love to see how the SimGurus respond to that.

Well since I don't have Sims 3 I haven't logged into the new section on the BBS or gone looking for content at all.  I'll have to make myself a list from the smutty thread and this one of crap to link to (I'm open to suggestions).  I'm on sort of vacation for another two weeks and suddenly can't get the WTF Editor to work so I have some free time to wreak a little havoc. 

I was thinking about the actually linking to adult materials thing in the fakenoob posts; if I post the link right away the thread will get yanked pretty quickly and then the proof is gone right?  So maybe I'll have to build up to it.  I think I'm gonna need some rum for this plan. 

Well if they yank the posts, that just shows there is content on TSR not suitable to be linked on the BBS, with should mean no linking at all.

I know, in EA logic it won't work that way. They will just yank the posts and when asked about it either deny they were there in the first place, or give the general "TSR has great content for the game" type message.

I really think the reason they won't let you link to MTS on the BBS is not really because of adult content, but more political. We know there have been problems between MTS and TSR (Namely the Buggybooz scandal), MTS mods the game, allowing people to add to and change how the game works, and while they may not have a great relationship, Delphy and Pescado are in contact with each other from time to time about different things, and you can't like to MATY or us on the BBS. And EA probably sees it as TSR has been around longer than MTS, so TSR is the better site.

OK the plan is in motion.  I'm going with the week long build up to posting my links questions so I look legit.  Since I don't actually have the Sims 3 anymore (arred and discarded until it will run on my machine) I have to be careful on the factual details.  If you think you spot me, say hi.  Heh.

Heres another good comment from Peggy's forum:


But my all time favorite was one where someone said Peggy should by a license for her hairs, that way no one, even EA could tell her she can't charge for her hair, and no one could steal her hairs.

LOL That is so funny and naive, but it's somehow sad to see such dumbness :(

She also has been known to steal Poser hairs and hair meshes from other sources. Most hairs in TS2 were NOT created from scratch by the people who are the supposed creators. It is very hard to create anything but a very rudimentary and simple hair from scratch. It's far easier to modify a mesh someone else made it take it from another game or 3D rendering program.

I freely admit the TS2 afro I made was based on a Maxis mesh but at least I publicly acknowledged that. :P

As for the comment that Peggy is the expert at making hairs and people converting her hairs are messing them up, that is suich a joke! Her hairs are fucked up half assed shit full of problems. Ask anyone who has tried to convert it. Most of the people converting them are doing a better job because they are fixing her broken pay hairs and doing it for free.

I keep doing this, but I have to share these comments people post on Peggy's forum.


Bold added by me. Who the hell is jealous of Peggy because of the hairs she makes? I sure as hell aren't, and I'm having a hell of a time trying to get a mesh to work for me.

And I love this question posted in the suggestion board.

That second one was hilarious. That person writes well for a 14-year-old. How did they get so good at writing, yet failed so hard at everything else in that post? I do hope someone pointed that person to the booty, though. She [I'm assuming 'she'] would likely be a right pain in the phorum, but if she doesn't find the booty eventually she may end up talking her parents into letting her 'donate' or find a way to go around them somehow. That would suck, regardless of how loldum the person is.

Like oh my god I am so jealous of Peggy's hair!  ::)

And they don't seem to realize the artiste is not sitting there slaving away but rather downloaded those meshes elsewhere and just converted them and did a halfassed job at even that.

That's SO naive. Kitteh brain. Peggy working for a month on a hair? Yeah right ::) That explains why her hairs never had any gaps or horrific animations or missing ages (besides who cares for elders?! Pff no one).... Oh the lulzness.

Heres an idea someone thinks Peggy should do. She should make Pre-Paid cards where you can buy them (I'm guessing in a store). That way you don't have to worry about putting your credit card number online. I really would love to know how the girl who posted that idea purposes Peggy make the prepay cards and get them in stores to buy.


Those are from the girl who purposed the idea.

So how do they get in the stores, come over on a slow boat from China?

The girl who came up with the idea wont give up, her latest two comments:


She just doesn't understand this is not possible to do, does she. She must thing that since EA can do it, so can Peggy.  ::)

I've not been in SparkleLand for several days, falling behind!  Any word there on Peggy's vaporware for mesh extraction?  Or was "I have it but you no can has it" the end of it?

I think the latter. It didn't sound like she had any intention of ever releasing it. Really, when has Peggy ever been useful or supportive to the rest of the Sims community? Oh though it pains me to say this but even TSR makes some pretense of being supportive and useful to the community. Peggy doesn't even bother.

I honestly think that picture was a bullshit photoshop job. All you have to do is overlay some text that says Peggyzone over some screenshot of a meshing program and voila!

Yeah there hasn't been anything else about any of the programs Peggy used. Everyone on her site took what she said, and anyone who didn't believe the "great" Peggy were either seen as haters or just jealous of Peggy because she makes oh so wonderful hairs.  ::)

At least Rose has the balls to thank Delphy and WesHowe even though she is making her TS3  items both donation items pay and non-fileshare friendly. Peggy should just own up to the fact that she is a thief and a liar, non 12's would respect her more for at least admitting she is dishonest.

Do you think Peggy cares what anyone off her site thinks of her, and especially anyone who isn't a 12?

True, true. Of course to make it more confusing we don't care, if Peggy cares if we think she is a raving asshat bitch who sells crappy content either.

Lets attempt logic, shall we?  Check it out:

I think the pre-paid cards chickie is on par with the young lady I once met long ago.  Someone made a joke about making a sundial with glow in the dark numbers so you could read it at night.  She thought it was a wonderful idea and even when the problem was pointed out, kept insisting it was a great thing and she was sure there was a way to make it work if you just thought hard enough.

Sometimes I wonder what happened to her.  Then I realize she's probably in government somewhere.

Glow in the dark numbers on a sundial, what the hell. Did that woman not know what a sundial was or something? lol

No way, you got to be kidding me! ;D Oh my god. Peggy fans defies logic and my sanity.

HA!  What a sweet girl...I'm sure she had at least ONE brain cell....And you're right, she's probably running some important office branch somewhere....

Yes, probably the human rights department.

Today the Spousal Unit heard one that tops the sundial girl.  He was in line at the post office.  At the window next to him was a sweet young blonde thing who wanted a box because she was sending a bunch of cash to Nigeria. 

The poor clerk was trying to explain that he would do it, but he could guarantee 100% that it was a scam.  She kept insisting it was a secure investment.

The Spousal Unit wanted so badly to ask if he could take her picture because no one could believe he'd actually met someone dumb enough to fall for one of those things.

Well the girl who came up with the ideas replied to my question to her (I'm rnate on there by the way). I asked "And how would Peggy get the cards made and then get them put in stores?" This was her response:


Ok, so lets see if I understand this right before I post again. She is saying because Peggy made a site and can make CC, she can make prepaid cards?  And then she is saying that when you buy something with your credit card online someone can steal that info, but if you pay with a credit card in a store, no one sees your info and no one can steal it? If so, she is very much wrong.

I feel sorry for her mother the first time she hands her credit card over to her daughter to use in a store and the credit card number gets stolen.

lol, rum nate I knew it was you as soon as I read the username.  I think we need to give up on this chick.  She isn't getting it.  As Dr. House said, Peggy fans defy logic.  I tried posting this,


 but Peggy's Blinky-Rific site doesn't flow so well with Safari.  So I'm taking it as a sign to give up.

I don't care she won't get it, its just fun seeing her and other's responses.

"Hi, my name is Peggy.  I'm from someplace in China.  I illegally sell badly made objects for a computer game.  Please put my pre-paid cards up with the Olive Garden gift cards in your Walmart."

lol. I don't see any reason what so ever for them not to want to sell her pre-paid cards.  :D

ETA: This is that girl's response on how if you use a credit card in a store its secret:


And captaincaliena, I just posted what you were going to post, can't wait to see what people say about that.

I don't know if I should be offended or just burst out laughing at that girl's comment. I posted the comment captaincaliena was going to post, and this is what I got back:

Was that bitch sniffing glue or what? There's a lot more to getting pre-paid cards set up than she'll ever understand.

Oh irony on the interwebs, don't ever change.

Burst into laughter.  Definitely go with burst into laughter.  I did.  Since it was my comment originally, I find it extra funny.  Thanks for posting it, btw :)  *passes rum*

Thanks for the rum. :)

I thought it was a perfect comment, and since you couldn't post it, I did. I'm going to eventually post something back to her, but I just find it funny I'm being rude just because I don't agree with her and pointed out Peggy can't make pre-paid cards.

This is a nice little comment that just showed up about Peggy's Hairs:


So because Peggy has started releasing more hairs, people aren't going to want to download hairs any other people create because it isn't as high quality as hers?

And about the pre-paid card girl, two people posted telling her the same thing, Peggy can't make the cards and sell them(was it anyone from here who posted those?). The girl came back and told them off saying the discussion was between me and her, no one else.

Well, I think banks and financial regulators and maybe some lawmakers and some other folks would be interested in the little idiot's way of looking at it, but she's a rude little cunt, isn't she? And when it's aired on an open forum, it's fair game for anyone to participate in, or doesn't she know that rule about public posting? Hmmm, she seems pretty damn ignorant. Are you sure she isn't a 6 instead of a 12? And no, I don't mean show size. I mean IQ in her case.

Some of Peggy's hairs for TS2 were acceptable for certain characters, when they were fixed and retextured. In TS3 they look absoludicrous. All the Sims look like they're wearing very bad wigs.

Users can do a lot more with a little hair in TS3, too, with different color combinations and such. Plus the game isn't nearly as friendly to having lots of Sims as TS2 was. Also, apparently hair that isn't made well (all paysite hair) does very nasty things to your game.

Pre Paid Cunty sounds like some of the fucking stupid idiots I get as customers at work.

Sorry, kid, but the mother fucking pre paid card process isn't all sunshine and butterflies. It's hard work, and most sane and normal people outside China will NOT sell those cards. China itself, noone knows, there's more bootlegged items in China than fleas on a stray dog's ass. Bootleg and China are practically SYNONYMS. As far as Peggy's shit, we get enough crap in stores for 12s. IMVU, anyone? Made for 12s and those preppy valley girls sticking fake rhinestones on their things and calling it their bling. What the fuck ever. It boils down to nobody with an IQ is going to buy into those cards and n o reputable business is going to sell them if it wasn't to survive. So in reality, Pay Card Cunty can take her idea and shove it up her fucking ass. Besides, it's not a new idea. EA is selling prepaid cards for their shit-tastic store. I don't care if EA made the fucking game, it's extortion to me-- that shit should be in the game already, not sold as extra kibble.

So fuck Cunty and her idea. Grow up, my little 12, unless you can come up with some infallible business scam plan that can make it happen. OH. WAIT. I FORGOT. PEGGY IS YOUR MAGICAL BUTT BUDDY WHO CAN DO NO WRONG. Dumbass.

....Unrelated, I feel better about the retards in the world for now. :D

EA is selling pre-paid for their store and at least in New England   you can hardly find them anywhere except Game Stop and EB Games. Not at Wal-Mart, Target, CVS, Brooks, Rite Aid, Stop and Shop, Price Chopper- literally no one has them. If EA itself the people who have the legal right to make and sell pixelized borked shit for their game - is phail with pre-paid Sims Store cards for their stuff that they make- how the fuck does ickle 12'y Pooh figure Peggyzoned on Crack is going to manage it - with a wiggle of her nose and a wave of her magic wand (oh wait, Magic Wands were made by Dgandy a Sims Fashion Barn Creator and member of the Free Sims Community)

The Wal-Mart we shop at has a shit ton of store cards for the Store located on top of the display right above the games. And, get this, they still have the security devices on all of their copies of Sims 3 and Spore, which made me howl with laughter. One lady looked at me and asked what was so funny and I looked her right in the eye and told her that if anyone was going to STEAL those pieces of shit games, they'd go online and do it, not risk getting caught by store security.

I guess it all depends on where you are on how abundant the store cards are. Here I have only seen them ar Best Buy and Target back when they first made them, but never there anymore. They have never been at Gamestop or EB Games here.

And Paden you have a point, if someone really wants those games without paying they are going to get them online.


As for the Peggy pre-paid cards girl, she has given up because everyone was being rude to her and everyone was accusing her of being rude, which no, we weren't, we just pointed out to her that it was not possible for Peggy to make pre-paid cards.

There is another thread where they are giving links to get Peggy's hairs for free, one of the links being to the booty.

I hate to say it but anyone going wah wah I'm right you filthy rude h0rs because I worship Peggy and your wrong you filthy cock-pirates is aking for butthurt. Asking.

As for being rude, some people call it rude when the truth comes out. Why? It's inconvenient and unpleasant.

That hairstyle makes the model's head look tiny.  ???


I like some of peggy's sims 2 hair styles, but only after someone retextured it and all that jazz.

Even when they're retextured Peggy's meshes still have gaps, bad bone assignments, alien head syndrome and bad anim. Peggy's crap is crap :P

True true. I'm not 100% sure which hairs (if any) I have, probably not much... I don't think I've been to that part of the booty in quite a while.  :D

I still have five of her meshes but none of her recolors (well there's a white one I must have kept for binning purposes since some folks leave out the elders).  I have no idea what they are though.  I haven't done a bodyshop purge since this reinstall so who knows what's in there.  If I ever finish fixing all of my buy/build binge and purging I'll get around to it.  I only use a few hairs in game anyway so I really should. 

Yeah, I know necromancy is bad, but I think people would like to see this. Someone posted on Peggy's forum about a site who is offering all of Peggy's hairs for free:


Peggy replied back thanking the girl and said she is going to send the site a warning.

Wonderful, the sheep have alerted the wolf as to other sheep escaping. Hope the person that has this blog does nothing more than show the bitch her backside and tell her to get bent because selling pixels if you ain't the company that holds the copyright is the illegal thing.

Peggy is an idiot, but the poster may well be a genius.

Compared to Peggy, my stuffed hamster is a genius.

And probably has better hair.

And no gaps. ;D