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Ok, I'm sorry all, but I have to vent. I got an email today telling me that my donation sets are now available for free on a site hosted in Kuala Lumpur. Not only that but these bastards are hosting HUNDREDS OF FILES from paysites and donations sites from all over the world. I cannot tell you how many explicatives come to mind right now.

To make matters worse, they have this cocky little page about how they hate paysites and they are doing *nothing* illegal. To bad the little bastards stole a set I had to remove due to copyright issues. You better believe I fired off an email to the very nice attorneys (seriously, nice people) at Krispy Kreme Inc. letting them know the set was stolen and being distributed. I hope to hell they get shut down. I tried to convince my husband, who is a software engineer who specializes in internet security for the US gov (ie hacking), to bring them down. Unfortunately 'black hat' (illegal) hacking could put his job in jeapordy even if the site is off-shore. So if anyone knows some good black hat hackers looking to have some fun, I'd love it if they could change the content of those files to some really nasty viruses. That way anyone who has the nerve to download stolen content gets a little instant karma for it. Ideally it would be nice to have the site hacked in its entirety but lets face it, the bastards will just pop up elsewhere.

Anyways, after seeing all the files (organized by site name) I had half a mind to make my site 100% pay. I don't care what anyone's opionions of pay sites / donations sets are, it doesn't condone theft. I now only have *one* donation set that I created as a *gift* for those who were generous enough to donate. I felt bad when people donated and I had nothing to give them that was special. If people actually download from that site I think it would only be appropriate for creators to stage at least one day of "pay for everything". Granted I don't think that anyone would / should pay but it's the idea of all the sites banding together to show support for those who've been robbed. I contacted EA / Maxis in regards to the site as much of the content comes from sites listed in the official fan site section. I think EA / Maxis should, at the very least, make the attempt to stand up for their fansites.

Err....what a way to start Halloween.

HChangeri

I tried to convince my husband, who is a software engineer who specializes in internet security for the US gov (ie hacking), to bring them down. Unfortunately 'black hat' (illegal) hacking could put his job in jeapordy even if the site is off-shore.

I cannot tell you how many explicatives come to mind right now.

If people actually download from that site I think it would only be appropriate for creators to stage at least one day of "pay for everything". Granted I don't think that anyone would / should pay but it's the idea of all the sites banding together to show support for those who've been robbed.

I didn't think anyone would be able to top that "download spree to kill Pescado's bandwidth" plan in terms of stupidity. How the hell does this make ANY SENSE?

I didn't think anyone would be able to top that "download spree to kill Pescado's bandwidth" plan in terms of stupidity. How the hell does this make ANY SENSE?

Personal update:  I lost my job on June 15 which only added to some rather serious health issues (mental, not physical). I've had a lot of really bad events come at me all at once and considering the substantial mental (& physical) scars of a brutal childhood I discovered I had a limit to how much stress I could actually handle. I am in therapy and a small host of marvelously ineffective drugs, at least until my health insurance runs out. Doing this stuff keeps me from jumping off my 21st floor balcony or obsessing endlessly over every mistake I've every made in life, the death of every animal I've had (I had to put one of my cats down on the 14th of June, the day after my birthday), and every other bad event in my life. Oh yeah, I got engaged on June 21, 2006. Talk about a whirlwind. Anyways, the site should have quite a few updates for at least the next 3-4 weeks or until it becomes absolutely necessary for me to get another job (which causes a panic attack just thinking about it). At least I can pretend to be sane while I do this. *sigh* The bad news, for all of you, is that I may charge for some of the upcoming sets. I hate to do that but if it keeps me from having to leave the house for a job for a while I may have to resort to it. Of course that depends on my ability to figure out how to set that up. As you can tell I don't know a damn thing about web development so I wouldn't get too worried about having to pay for anything yet.

What is this 'sense' thing you speak of?

But I am curious as to whether or not that Krispy Kreme thing is something to be concerned about. I could see the lawyers waddling down to throw some threats this way, and is there really any defense?

You notice how every one knows a "hacker" when they get screwed by someone internet wise.

I tried to convince my husband, who is a software engineer who specializes in internet security for the US gov (ie hacking), to bring them down.

her childhood wasn't a bed of roses,

Well, I could have sworn I expressed exactly the same sentiments, Siggylove. So there are people here concerned with her MH. I just worded it all differently. Didn't I say the same things? Really, someone enlighten me if I am completely off here.

I'm sure you all know the wonders of people pretending to be something they are on the internet (i.e the whole Donna from Eyecandy thing)

Oh so that makes three of us, my apologies for not acknowledging your views.

It was recently brought to my attention that a group of individuals have decided they have ultimate authority over all sims creators and web site owners.  This group has decided that anyone who creates content for The Sims 2 must distribute 100% of their content freely and failure to comply with this rule will result in "punishment."  Those who run websites that are subscription based or that offer donation sets (like I do) will and have had their content purchased and then redistributed freely by this group.  They distribute these files on a website hosted in a country known for fraudulent and criminal websites and that is outside US and EU laws.  These second-raters have not only stolen my donation sets but have stolen the content of nearly every paysite in existence.  The leader of the group told me that I should be more than willing to shell out my personal money for bandwidth (which he contents costs only $8 per month) and all other expenses related to object creation and distribution.  Failing that he will continue to steal and redistribute any content I or anyone else attempts to charge for.  My first reaction was the take my site to a 100% subscription format but then I would be subject to the arbitrary "punishment" of this group - unless I charge a very high subscription fee in which case my files would safe but no one would be willing to pay the fee I would have to charge to ensure their safety.  I did not start my own site to get rich or even supplement my income, that's why 99.9% of my content is free.  However, I will not have this group force me to do anything against my will and I will not play by their ridiculous rules.    

 

What this group evidently doesn't have the mentality to grasp is that there is a third option which I am going to exercise - I will merely pull a John Galt.   I am under no obligation to share anything I create with anyone.  I will NOT have a group of low-life second-raters dictate the terms under which I can distribute what is MY WORK, MY EFFORT, and MY CREATIVITY nor will I allow them to dictate how I choose to spend or not spend MY MONEY.  To this end, the contents of this website will be available only until December 1.  After that point ALL sets will be permanently removed.  I will delete all of my content from MTS2 and TSR.  I will not allow these people, or anyone like them, to hold my work or my website hostage.  I will continue to post pictures of my creations as I have no intention of halting all object creation on my end - I just will refuse any and all requests to share what I create.  I cannot trust that *anyone* out there is not apart of this group so I have assume that everyone is.  There is nothing more infuriating than to think that I may have sent a thank-you note to someone who donated only so they could steal my files.  

 

Creating for The Sims 2 was and is a hobby I enjoy and I will continue to create as I have done for over a year now.  I will make my meshes available on TurboSquid.com.  They will NOT be free or even cheap.  They will not be merged, sized, placed, UV Mapped or textured, for The Sims 2.  They will come with a requisite EULA agreement limiting the manner in which they are used and disseminated.  

 

If you are a site owner and/or content creator I highly recommend the same course of action.  Ignoring these people is the same as agreeing to abide by their rules.  I am not willing to do this.  

 

No one is entitled to anything in this world and nothing is free either.  

I did not hear of this. What happened?

Merry Fucking Christmas everyone!

The following screenshots were taken in the Work-In-Progress stage.  Please visit each set's page for the final result screenshots.  And no, you can't download the files.

EA should at least make an official statement comdemning these kind of people who have their heads stuck somewhere in their butts where the sun doesn't shine.

so can she really put viruses on the site?

The following screenshots were taken in the Work-In-Progress stage.  Please visit each set's page for the final result screenshots.  And no, you can't download the files.

The bad news, for all of you, is that I may charge for some of the upcoming sets. I hate to do that but if it keeps me from having to leave the house for a job for a while I may have to resort to it.

Ugh, dramawhores like this should all be killed. Solve the overpopulation problem in one go.

The retail sims thread has just been locked http://forums.sims2community.com/showpost.php?p=649750&postcount=68

Guys, I understand you don't like the giant paysites with huge amounts of pay items and only a few free. Because that IS close to ridiculous.

But why would you want to get a site that only has one or a few sets for a few dollars? Because that IS what EA/Maxis/whatever allows. And they obviously can't live of it.

Heh. Even if Delphy's claim that "game content and materials" refers to only what was contained in the game, there's STILL a problem with that: Every single object ever made is an existing EA object that has been cloned and modified. The only thing that truly consists of completely unique code not at all derived from anything EA in origin is certain small hacks created from scratch-hexing and SimPE. Everything else is built on parts that were, at some point, extracted and cloned from an EA part.


Because you have to draw the line somewhere. And if they're really supporting just their bandwidth on it, then the money one of us paid to get that item in the first place covers that bandwidth already. Since the items are hosted at our expense, not theirs, we therefore can only alleviate their bandwidth costs in doing so.

Also, all paysites look the same to me anyway. If someone has acquired this item and claims to be a paysite, my criteria for not yanking it consists of the inability to acquire it for free. I don't actually *USE* any of this stuff. It all looks the same to me. As far as I'm concerned, a paysite is a paysite. Perhaps this is a somewhat hard-line view of the matter, but I was never known for doing things in moderation.

Just thought I would post a little something from Retail Sims that was posted awhile back:



Make of it what you will. To me, it smacks a little of LyricLee's whole "feed my kids!" argument. :roll: Bad shit happens to people time and time again, but we're all just a little tired of hearing about why we have to give them our money.

But the difference is, you don't EXPECT people to donate. Your own donation system is the pure definition of donate, if people feel they want to give you their money, to keep your site going, then they can, they're purely doing it because they like your stuff, and want to keep it going. There's nothing there where you say 'You can ONLY have this IF you 'donate' the amount of money I dictate you to donate'

And you're incredibly open and honest about your donations, which do just go back into site maintinance. I think donation shouldn't be a bribe, like with many sites, but rather, an affirmation of a creator's skill, and the community's appreciation for that, by helping with site costs...

I did!!  :shock:  I was depressed because I failed a year of school. Was no fun at all... and it's much more common than people would think.
There's no shame in it, because there's not much you can do about it.

Shit does happen to alot of people, and some let it effect every single thing they do... but do know, that when you are in this kind of situation your judgement of how you behave and what you do is completely warped. It's not an excuse, but then you do know why some people make an ass of themselves or do weird stuff when they are in a situation like this.

And if you have free bandwidth for the grabbing, could you host some of my hairs :)

Just out of curiosity how many of you have or have previously had a mental disorder?

Up until a couple of months ago, I'd have been in the "Sane Like Pescado" club. But then I failed a university course I'd paid over £1000 for, my grandma was diagnosed with cancer, and I was diagnosed with depression. Before that I'd had a pretty skeptical attitude towards depression/anxiety disorders, and I always wondered why people didn't just "snap out of it".

Are you sure you're DEPRESSED, as opposed to simply UNHAPPY? It seems to me you have plenty to be just plain ORDINARY unhappy about. People aren't always supposed to be happy, you know, despite what people tell you. The problem with all these diagnoses is that they can pin anything on you. I personally fit the profiles of tons of mental illnesses, but there's one key difference: I'M NOT SUFFERING FROM INSANITY. I *LIKE* BEING THIS WAY! I don't want to be a zombie!

You make more sense than my doctor does.

Of course I make sense. I'm old! I'm old and I have a long beard. The bottom line is that people have this strange belief that if you are not happy, something is wrong with you. This is nonsense. Life isn't all happy things. Bad shit happens. People who are still happy are probably a little loopy in the head. Promptly going on "anti-depressants" whenever you're not happy is simply another form of drug habit, and does nothing to teach you how to cope with setbacks. It just makes you a happy and well-sedated zombie.

Easy for you to say. ANd how nice that worked for you.

Sometimes things are so depressing and needed change just doesn't happen. Without the improvement in circumstances the depression goes on. After x amount of time depression is all one has had. Many many people do get so depressed that the thought of death is the only thing that brings peace, be it a high window, a bottle of pills, a fast moving car or a well placed bullet--doesn't really matter to them.

So you can take that 'get over it' attitude and....get over it. :evil:

Heh we're all different and we all have different coping mechanisims.

Elmolovecyclops, I did not post that to mock or make light of people who have mental illnesses. I was trying show that here we have another example of someone using their illnesses and/or personal issues *as an excuse* to charge for their content. It is also worth pointing out that there are people out there who have physical and psychological disabilities who also do not charge for their content. I do not see how having a crappy life (which many of us here can empathize with) justifies "needing" to charge for content. As a community of Sims fans we do not owe our fellow community members money for indulging in their hobby.

Are you sure you're DEPRESSED, as opposed to simply UNHAPPY? It seems to me you have plenty to be just plain ORDINARY unhappy about. People aren't always supposed to be happy, you know, despite what people tell you. The problem with all these diagnoses is that they can pin anything on you. I personally fit the profiles of tons of mental illnesses, but there's one key difference: I'M NOT SUFFERING FROM INSANITY. I *LIKE* BEING THIS WAY! I don't want to be a zombie!

Now...back to the matter at hand. RetailSims went overboard with announcing to the whole sims world that she was depressed and so on. However what she is doing with her site is perfectly reasonable. I've read somewhere that she's going to make the content, upload pics but not upload the files. Which honestly, if i was a paysite owner i'd do too.

That doesn't sound at all ridiculous to you?  Making content and sharing pics so people can then beg her for them, only for her to say, "Sorry, I found out a site is sharing my content so until they take it down, I'm holding my shit hostage."

Not everyone's childhood is a bed or roses.. But that isn't a excuse to try and get pity from people. Or to justify charging for items. What's the point about making whiny after whiny post on a forum? People can not fix your issues or fix you. I think she's a attention seeker.

THIS ISN'T ABOUT MY ONE MEASLY DONATION FILE.

IT IS ABOUT INTEGRITY - MY INTEGRITY AND THAT OF EVERY CONTENT CREATOR OUT THERE.

I WILL NOT BE FORCED TO SHARE MY CONTENT ACCORDING TO THE WHIMS OF A SECOND-RATER.  NOT NOW, NOT EVER.   MY CONTENT CAN ONLY BE DISTRIBUTED ACCORDING TO MY WILL AND MY WILL ALONE SO LONG AS MY METHOD(S) DOES NOT VIOLATE THE RULES OF ELECTRONIC ARTS, INC. OR MAXIS.  SINCE J.M. PESCADO REMOVED MY FREEDOM TO CHOOSE HOW I DISTRIBUTE MY WORK I HAVE CHOSEN TO NO LONGER DISTRIBUTE MY WORK.  IT'S THAT SIMPLE.

INTEGRITY:   Steadfast adherence to a strict moral or ethical code.

What is a black hat?  It is a type of hacker that does not operate within the boundaries of the law.  A black hat is often a malicious hacker who seeks to tamper with and / or exploit a program, file, server or other media (hardware or software) for personal gain or just for the fuck of it.  White hats, by comparison, are "good guy" hackers (who work to improve security).  Grey Hats fall in between.

The leader of the group who is stealing files suggested to me that I did not know what a black hat was when I mentioned (repeatedly) that I would love to find one to fuck up the files he's serving with some very nasty viruses.  Unfortunately for him I know very well what black hats are.  My husband, depending on your perspective, is one. If my husband did not have a high security government job this would not be a discussion and the files on that site would have been infected with a series of viruses designed to destroy a computer - not merely correctable by a format and reinstall.  Once he went legit I had to remove myself from any and all contacts with 'undesirable' types and most foreigners.  J.M. Pescado and everyone who downloads those stolen files should consider themselves lucky that this didn't happen a few years earlier  Than again, you never know when an old friend may crawl out of the woodwork or when a bunch come to town for a Black Hat Convention (I can damn near throw a rock at that hotel from my balcony).  I can't stop J.M. Pescado or those like them but I can fuck with stolen goods all I want.  Consider yourself warned.

OH AND DON'T FUCKING EMAIL ME TO ASK FOR THE LINK TO THE SITE IN QUESTION.  WTF IS WRONG WITH SOME OF YOU PEOPLE?!?!?!?!

BTW,  all of my content has been removed from MTS2 as 11/5/06.

Gosh, she got all sorts of sweary.

Also, how lame, she's not allowed to talk to most foreigners. That's because most foreigners in the world are EVIL.

Paysites Must Be Destroyed is where you can get all the donation items you ever wanted!!!

http://paysites.mustbedestroyed.org/phorum
http://paysites.mustbedestroyed.org/phorum
http://paysites.mustbedestroyed.org/phorum
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http://paysites.mustbedestroyed.org/phorum
http://paysites.mustbedestroyed.org/phorum
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My husband has a government job as well, and the FBI will randomly monitor your activity, be it online or IRL.  So I would be careful if I were her.  Their always watching...

I signed her guestbook!  Don't know how long it will stay up.

You know what the best part of this is, if there is one?  Knowing that I caused people to utter the question "who is John Galt?"   Oh does that make me giggle every time I think about it.  Who is John Galt indeed.

Oh, and just be glad this protest removal of work is confined, at the moment, to my Sims 2 fansite.  Just imagine if the captains of industry and the geniuses of this world decided to tell the "average" and "below average" people of the world to fuck off.  I'm counting the minutes until Atlas Shrugs.  

Gosh, she got all sorts of sweary.

Also, how lame, she's not allowed to talk to most foreigners. That's because most foreigners in the world are EVIL.

My husband has a government job as well, and the FBI will randomly monitor your activity, be it online or IRL.  So I would be careful if I were her.  Their always watching...

I signed her guestbook!  Don't know how long it will stay up.

Of course I make sense. I'm old! I'm old and I have a long beard. The bottom line is that people have this strange belief that if you are not happy, something is wrong with you.

If she really had a "black hat" she wouldn't be bragging about it, it would be done.

I just saw this thread over at S2C.

That doesn't sound at all ridiculous to you?  Making content and sharing pics so people can then beg her for them, only for her to say, "Sorry, I found out a site is sharing my content so until they take it down, I'm holding my shit hostage."

That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.  If she wants to make content, fine.  If she wants to accept donations, also fine.  I'm sure she'll get some.  Good creators do (not that I even know if she's any good, I don't have any of her stuff in my game - well, I did download it all for future sharing if she stays gone) get donations.  But because someone is sharing one thing she has on her site, she's taking her toys and going home (sorry twojeffs, I love this saying too much).  What a baby, and it doesn't mean this site will stop sharing her stuff.  In fact, I daresay it means that Pescado will put up all her free stuff too under a special "Unavailable" section.

She's not benefitting anyone but Pescado.  One down, how many now to go?

OH AND DON'T FUCKING EMAIL ME TO ASK FOR THE LINK TO THE SITE IN QUESTION.  WTF IS WRONG WITH SOME OF YOU PEOPLE?!?!?!?!

I think her point in doing it is not because she is having this tiny bit of money taken away from her but that Pescado is now targeting all the people who are genuinely offering a small donation option for bandwidth. Pescado may say that he's doing her a favour but not every sims site wants to run under Pescado just so they can have free bandwidth.

Is it just me, or is all her content gone from her site?

I guess the bandwidth of people dashing to download all her crap got to be too much.

BTW,  all of my content has been removed from MTS2 as 11/5/06.

All content has been removed from this site as of 11/6/06.  

By the way, what kind of viruses can "completely destroy a computer"?

http://www.journalfen.net/community/fandom_wank/1021458.html

 :shock:

My lord, HChangeri is batshit insane isn't she? I have a MH issue involving anxiety and I can't even sympathize with her totally fucked up rant. Hey HChangeri, you do realize that even if your "black hat" was successful in virusizing the site that you'd be hurting normal Sims players like yourself, right? Yup. Moms, dads, kids, all of them DESERVE TO GO DOWN IN FLAMING DEATH because they took your donation set. How very mature of you, why we should all solve our problems by hurting tons of innocents.. it worked for Osama, right?

this protest removal of work is confined, at the moment, to my Sims 2 fansite.  Just imagine if the captains of industry and the geniuses of this world decided to tell the "average" and "below average" people of the world to fuck off.  I'm counting the minutes until Atlas Shrugs.

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Posted by lmhwjs on: Nov, 6 2006 0:34 AM
As posted on their website:

It was recently brought to my attention that a group of individuals have decided they have ultimate authority over all sims creators and web site owners. This group has decided that anyone who creates content for The Sims 2 must distribute 100% of their content freely and failure to comply with this rule will result in "punishment." Those who run websites that are subscription based or that offer donation sets (like I do) will and have had their content purchased and then redistributed freely by this group. They distribute these files on a website hosted in a country known for fraudulent and criminal websites and that is outside US and EU laws. These second-raters have not only stolen my donation sets but have stolen the content of nearly every paysite in existence. The leader of the group told me that I should be more than willing to shell out my personal money for bandwidth (which he contents costs only $8 per month) and all other expenses related to object creation and distribution. Failing that he will continue to steal and redistribute any content I or anyone else attempts to charge for. My first reaction was the take my site to a 100% subscription format but then I would be subject to the arbitrary "punishment" of this group - unless I charge a very high subscription fee in which case my files would safe but no one would be willing to pay the fee I would have to charge to ensure their safety. I did not start my own site to get rich or even supplement my income, that's why 99.9% of my content is free. However, I will not have this group force me to do anything against my will and I will not play by their ridiculous rules.

What this group evidently doesn't have the mentality to grasp is that there is a third option which I am going to exercise - I will merely pull a John Galt. I am under no obligation to share anything I create with anyone. I will NOT have a group of low-life second-raters dictate the terms under which I can distribute what is MY WORK, MY EFFORT, and MY CREATIVITY nor will I allow them to dictate how I choose to spend or not spend MY MONEY. To this end, the contents of this website will be available only until December 1. After that point ALL sets will be permanently removed. I will delete all of my content from MTS2 and TSR. I will not allow these people, or anyone like them, to hold my work or my website hostage. I will continue to post pictures of my creations as I have no intention of halting all object creation on my end - I just will refuse any and all requests to share what I create. I cannot trust that *anyone* out there is not apart of this group so I have assume that everyone is. There is nothing more infuriating than to think that I may have sent a thank-you note to someone who donated only so they could steal my files.

Creating for The Sims 2 was and is a hobby I enjoy and I will continue to create as I have done for over a year now. I will make my meshes available on TurboSquid.com. They will NOT be free or even cheap. They will not be merged, sized, placed, UV Mapped or textured, for The Sims 2. They will come with a requisite EULA agreement limiting the manner in which they are used and disseminated.

If you are a site owner and/or content creator I highly recommend the same course of action. Ignoring these people is the same as agreeing to abide by their rules. I am not willing to do this.

No one is entitled to anything in this world and nothing is free either.


http://www.retailsims.com/index.htm

That is so sad to me, and what kind of asshole runs that other site? I'd gladly do some harm to him/her especially if other sites follow this lead.


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Posted by aa93 on: Nov, 6 2006 0:36 AM
Oh no! One of my favourite sites closing again! Those darn people!


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Senior member Posted by pam259 on: Nov, 6 2006 0:42 AM
What a dang shame..too bad we couldnt boycott that group somehow.. Its really sad though to think that they have taken so much pleasure away from so many..


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Posted by Wendy1981 on: Nov, 6 2006 0:43 AM
This is a sad day
Those damn thieves


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Posted by lmhwjs on: Nov, 6 2006 0:50 AM
Edit: I regret writing what I originally wrote as I did it when I was angry, and I really don't want it to be made worse.Edited 06-11-2006 07:14:39 by lmhwjs


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Posted by Wendy1981 on: Nov, 6 2006 0:57 AM
I would help you do that Laura I wish we could have them pay a huuuuuge fine too


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Posted by jenny on: Nov, 6 2006 0:12 AM
its horrible, and very sad......I just don't understand people


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Posted by Sunflowerl on: Nov, 6 2006 0:22 AM
What terrible news. I hate thieves.

Edited 06-11-2006 22:03:38 by Sunflowerl


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Posted by Micha on: Nov, 6 2006 0:47 AM
Thats so sad

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Mood: Creative Posted by Sim2fun on: Nov, 6 2006 0:26 AM
what is wrong with people that is so crazy i can't believe people steal and then act like its ok I am glad I don't know who these people are I would hate to be associated with such low people. I am sorry to hear this site is closing what a shame and probably other sites will too because of these jerks.


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Mood: Happy Posted by Lizi on: Nov, 6 2006 0:53 AM
I wish there was something we could do about this!


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Posted by littleturtle74 on: Nov, 6 2006 0:08 AM
I get so when I read about people stealing artists work because they feel it's their duty. I'd love nothing more than to find these people in an alley and practice my on them. I really did enjoy Retail Sims and I'm sorry to see them go. I hope these asshats are happy now.


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You know, this makes me wish I was a hacker, I would screw up that website so bad, I would fry those people's computers with so many bugs their harddrives would blow up, I don't care if that's not possible, I'd like to make it that way!

You do realize that deliberately infecting someone's computer with a virus is a Federal offense and there are international laws as well. Not to mention that you would be one of those "losers without a life" as so many here have called hackers who hack into other sims sites - but I guess it's ok if you do it

I don't know who "this group" is and nor do I care, but the response from the webmistress is way out of wack. Yep, I can understand being upset about this but, come on, leave the drama to daytime tv. Her actions don't make much sense to me and what she wants other website to do is just dumb. Do you remember her first donation? I do, she made a Krispy Kreme store which had to be a copyright violation aka stolen brand name franchise -- but again that's ok, no one blinked an eye over that...well, except Krispy Kreme.

So, here's the lesson of the day. It's ok for sim creators to stomp all over copyrights as long as its for the good of the game -- go ahead splash that Baby Phat logo all over your clothing, make celeberaties and post their likeness without their permission, make meshes of car makes and models and put them in the game -- but if someone shares, recolors or clones a mesh of a sims creator they are the worst thing to hit the earth since the Black Plague. Am I the only one that thinks this is a double standard?

Edited 06-11-2006 05:09:56 by sharon


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Posted by Kristin on: Nov, 6 2006 1:46 AM
sharon wrote:
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You do realize that deliberately infecting someone's computer with a virus is a Federal offense and there are international laws as well. Not to mention that you would be one of those "losers without a life" as so many here have called hackers who hack into other sims sites - but I guess it's ok if you do it

I don't know who "this group" is and nor do I care, but the response from the webmistress is way out of wack. Yep, I can understand being upset about this but, come on, leave the drama to daytime tv. Her actions don't make much sense to me and what she wants other website to do is just dumb. Do you remember her first donation? I do, she made a Krispy Kreme store which had to be a copyright violation aka stolen brand name franchise -- but again that's ok, no one blinked an eye over that...well, except Krispy Kreme.

So, here's the lesson of the day. It's ok for sim creators to stomp all over copyrights as long as its for the good of the game -- go ahead splash that Baby Phat logo all over your clothing, make celeberaties and post their likeness without their permission, make meshes of car makes and models and put them in the game -- but if someone shares, recolors or clones a mesh of a sims creator they are the worst thing to hit the earth since the Black Plague. Am I the only one that thinks this is a double standard?



Sharon you are right that its not right to use the logos/products that are copyrighted by their respective companies and Retail Sims is not entirely innocent.




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Posted by lmhwjs on: Nov, 6 2006 1:23 AM
I wasn't saying that it would be okay to hack into a site, let me just say that I'm not a hacker and wouldn't know the first thing about it, second I don't even know the site that is discussed, only that it exists, but I wouldn't know where to find it.
I regret posting what I did, and have deleted it, I wrote it when I was angry, and it was a mistake. I wish I could take that back.

I agree about the logo's products, especially if it's on a pay site, but if it's free - it's free publicity.
Retail Sims may not be entirely innocent, but it isn't up to this group of theives to see that their brand of 'justice' is done, leave it to Krispy Kreme, IF it upsets them, at the same time, who gave these theives 'rights' to give away donation sets, demand that site owners do away with donation sets to help cover their own bandwidth, and if they don't are 'punished'?Edited 06-11-2006 07:25:33 by lmhwjs


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Posted by patchwork3930 on: Nov, 6 2006 1:26 AM
It's alright Laura, I understood that you said that out of frustration. I'm sure others did too.


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Posted by lmhwjs on: Nov, 6 2006 1:03 AM
Thank you Patch


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Posted by insein_gurl on: Nov, 6 2006 1:11 AM
wow that seems like ALOT of drama! thats too bad about her closing her site down, though. So basically she has to close her site or they are going to hack it? and they wanted her to pay them? im kinda confused about all that. oh well.


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insein_gurl wrote:
wow that seems like ALOT of drama! thats too bad about her closing her site down, though. So basically she has to close her site or they are going to hack it? and they wanted her to pay them? im kinda confused about all that. oh well.


No, nobody threathened to hack her site or wanted her to pay or anything. She got pissed because somebody paid for her so called donation stuff and then shared it with their friends.

Oh, the drama indeed.


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Posted by Wendy1981 on: Nov, 6 2006 1:02 AM
well I think it's a little more than that, if the site she is talking about is the one I think it is, then from what I've heard it's a huuuge site, and it has almost every donation set and maybe even gifts from here on there, free for download for everyone. I have seen that they have been drawing attention to their site by posting messages on forums and guestbooks. Everyone that comes there can see the url to the site and go there and download everything.
I have to say that I agree with some things owner of Retail Sims wrote. Like this: "a group of individuals have decided they have ultimate authority over all sims creators and web site owners. This group has decided that anyone who creates content for The Sims 2 must distribute 100% of their content freely and failure to comply with this rule will result in "punishment."
It is still stealing and I hate those thieves They do damage to the community and creators.Edited 06-11-2006 09:02:37 by Wendy1981


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Something this evil group should consider is that if they keep giving away everyone elses donation goodies, the creators are going to stop making the items...the creators stop, the group doesnt have new things to give away...they are no good with out everyones donation sets...the vicious cycle..

As I read in another post that it is perfectly legal in their country, it is not legal here..So are they not guilty of something??

Laura..I totally understand your grief..I think Sharon was pointing out the facts of hacking..possibly afraid you were actually going to do something.. We all say things we would like to do but actually have no intention of ever doing.

Retail Sims has put out so many great items, the Krispy Kreme thing..may that of been an innocent mistake..later to pay for??



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Posted by Dorien on: Nov, 6 2006 1:51 AM
I'm really very sorry retail sims is closing down because I think she made some really unique and well made content but the tone of that rant on her site doesn't sit well with me at all. I mean, I completely understand she is hurt and mad (been there, done that) and she has every right to be, but I find her rant to be condisending and rude to the entire community, not just to JM Pescado and the other assholes who are doing this to her and other donation and paysite owners.


Thieves have been around since the first sites became pay and they will always be there, just as there are shoplifters. I decided a long time ago not to let it get to me anymore because it stressed me out so bad a few years ago that it actually made me physically ill, and those thieves are simply not worth it. But I really believe that 95% of the people in this community are honest people who don't want anything to do with these thief sites anymore then I do and those are the people I create my stuff for.


I am a strong believer in Karma and I'm sure Karma is coming to bite mr. JM Pescado firmly in the ass eventually.


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Posted by Ninika on: Nov, 6 2006 1:08 AM
You mean Pescado from MATY?!
Wow, I never thought that from him, I'm dissapointed
I'm very sorry that Retail Sims is closing, but I don't think that it would change a bit, you just make them happy.
But I can understand that they don't want to conintue


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Posted by kikkert1 on: Nov, 6 2006 1:33 AM
I really don't understand why she is closing, this is exactly what they want They want to see every paysite down, well, they have one down already now I know the address of that site, and I have to admit that I took a look there to see what was going on But that doesn't mean I'm not going to take donationsets anymore, I want to do it the honest and fun way. It's not fun if you can download all sets at once,I think it's more fun to choose and think about it, before you actually get the goods. So, I think the other site will get a lot of downloaders, but not the ones that donated before


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Posted by juulke30 on: Nov, 6 2006 1:06 AM
a while back I got a email from a site like this, I don´t know if it´s the same one as this one you´re talking about. The email said They offered free dl from paysites. I didn´t know what that was, but Wendy explained it to me. Now I´m glad I didn´t do anything with it.


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Posted by aa93 on: Nov, 6 2006 1:42 AM
I thought of it for a while though, and found why they had thought about paysites like this. I play Need For Speed too, and that most Need For Speed sites have downloadable vehicles, just like Sims 2 where there is custom content. And most sites are forums. They don't offer donation vehicles, nor do they have Paypal buttons on their pages. This means that you don't need to donate to get something, or even donate to the site owner. I think that this might set Pescado thinking "Why should we pay for custom content for Sims 2 when we no need to fork out a cent when getting Need For Speed stuff?" hence, he did such a thing.

Of course, I am against sharing donation files Edited 06-11-2006 13:46:54 by aa93


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Posted by poisonsilvi on: Nov, 6 2006 1:47 AM
Dorien wrote:
I'm really very sorry retail sims is closing down because I think she made some really unique and well made content but the tone of that rant on her site doesn't sit well with me at all. I mean, I completely understand she is hurt and mad (been there, done that) and she has every right to be, but I find her rant to be condisending and rude to the entire community, not just to JM Pescado and the other assholes who are doing this to her and other donation and paysite owners.


Thieves have been around since the first sites became pay and they will always be there, just as there are shoplifters. I decided a long time ago not to let it get to me anymore because it stressed me out so bad a few years ago that it actually made me physically ill, and those thieves are simply not worth it. But I really believe that 95% of the people in this community are honest people who don't want anything to do with these thief sites anymore then I do and those are the people I create my stuff for.


I am a strong believer in Karma and I'm sure Karma is coming to bite mr. JM Pescado firmly in the ass eventually.

I agree to that 100 % - very well said Dorien !




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Posted by littleturtle74 on: Nov, 6 2006 1:48 AM
I went back to the site today to re-read what the creator wrote about Pescado and I don't remember the part about the blackhats being there last night. Although I am sad about the site closing, I think that she stepped over the line. I've never seen the thief site that's been referenced, but I'm thinking that's a good thing.


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Mood: It's hibernation time Posted by droylynn on: Nov, 6 2006 2:14 AM
Shoot and another bites the dust because of thieves


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Posted by kikkert1 on: Nov, 6 2006 2:43 AM
I hope not all creators feel this way


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Mood: ** Anxious ** Posted by blupoet on: Nov, 6 2006 2:15 AM
Wow. That's all I can say.


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Posted by jenny on: Nov, 6 2006 2:20 AM
Dorien wrote:
I'm really very sorry retail sims is closing down because I think she made some really unique and well made content but the tone of that rant on her site doesn't sit well with me at all. I mean, I completely understand she is hurt and mad (been there, done that) and she has every right to be, but I find her rant to be condisending and rude to the entire community, not just to JM Pescado and the other assholes who are doing this to her and other donation and paysite owners.


Thieves have been around since the first sites became pay and they will always be there, just as there are shoplifters. I decided a long time ago not to let it get to me anymore because it stressed me out so bad a few years ago that it actually made me physically ill, and those thieves are simply not worth it. But I really believe that 95% of the people in this community are honest people who don't want anything to do with these thief sites anymore then I do and those are the people I create my stuff for.


I am a strong believer in Karma and I'm sure Karma is coming to bite mr. JM Pescado firmly in the ass eventually.

I agree Dorien, and I guess i didn't read it in its entirely, But I am a little upset about JM, I had no idea and that bums me out




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Posted by BellaWaffle on: Nov, 6 2006 2:21 AM
No I don't feel that way Kikkert

I totaly agree with what Dorien said. Stop creating is not the solution to this problem. I also firmly believe that a lot of people are honest and nice and that there's only a minority of the people that act that way. Just ignore them and ban those who get busted ... that's all we can actualy do.


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I have wasted so much time and energy on people like this. If all our wonderful creators stopped creating, we would not have a community. I find it laughable they feel they are doing the community a service by stealing people's creations and claiming they are doing nothing wrong.

Let the trash stay in the landfill where it belongs. I know I will continue to donate and support the creators who have invested so much of their time, energy, and creativity. I applaud those who can look the other way because these are truly the ones who walk away the better person in the end.


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Posted by sullimix on: Nov, 6 2006 2:58 AM
Wow I can't believe this what a shame!

Melissa Very well said! Doren I agree totally with assbittin and all!



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Posted by kikkert1 on: Nov, 7 2006 0:01 AM
I'm glad you keep on creating Bella And now that I finally can donate, I will continue to do so


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I don't have a lot of extra money, but that doesn't mean it's ok to steal. I have to agree with the comments about the corporate theft, however.

I personally feel that an organization, like Krispy Creme, would be stupid to go after Retail Sims, because in effect, they are getting free product placement. (If they were smart, they'd hire really talented people to make meshes / textures and distribute them freely to promote their brand.)

That being said, using any logo without permission is a copyright violation. So it's kinda like the pot calling the kettle black.

I just went to the RS site, and everything is gone. Such a shame.


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Posted by Tanjam on: Nov, 7 2006 0:45 AM
this makes me sick.
no-one can be trusted. I was asked to join this group I let the people that needed to know about this. It's just wrong how some can betray others like that.

As for the people that offering this gifts to share, are they not aware they are being used by soul less idiots. It's a sad day for the internet.

Something this evil group should consider is that if they keep giving away everyone elses donation goodies, the creators are going to stop making the items...the creators stop, the group doesnt have new things to give away...they are no good with out everyones donation sets...the vicious cycle..

The EULA for EA clearly states that EA Games owns the copyright of any items created with the code they used to make the Sims. They did however give creators permissions to accept money to cover their bandwidth costs. Unfortunately a lot of creators have abused this system.

Truthfully, what creators who charge for donations sets are doing is against the EULA of EA Games and therefore a grayshade of illegal. Pescado received the files from people who donated money to receive the files. He did not steal them. He is sharing what was shared with him.

I agree with Sharon, that is is humorous and hypocritical of the Retail Sims site owner the have abused the Krispy Kreme copyright, but now that her set is available for free, she cries foul and throws a temper tantrum.

What Pescado is doing causes no harm except to people who have abused the system. These people do not work for EA Games, they aren't employees of EA and therefore should not treat a hobby as employment.

Do these creators have business licenses? Do they pay taxes on their received donations?

If they aren't careful they will wake up someone larger than EA Games at the door. The taxman. Heaven help you if the taxman makes a visit.

As a side note. The owner of Retail Sims may have taken her stuff down, but she made sure to leave her Paypal button up didn't she?

Just a thought...

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  Posted by Jennifer on: 06-11-2006 23:45
I totally agree with Dorien and Bella, if we stop....then they would win.......I believe most of the community is honest and would not turn to such...... blah, I can't even think of the right word to descibe it/call it.....

Too many of my firends have been hurt by these people,  and it is very sad, but if we gave up, they would only get what they wanted in the first place. There really is Nothhing we can do to stop them  
 
 
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  Posted by aa93 on: 06-11-2006 23:49
mar1nka wrote:
I don't have a lot of extra money, but that doesn't mean it's ok to steal. I have to agree with the comments about the corporate theft, however.

I personally feel that an organization, like Krispy Creme, would be stupid to go after Retail Sims, because in effect, they are getting free product placement. (If they were smart, they'd hire really talented people to make meshes / textures and distribute them freely to promote their brand.)

That being said, using any logo without permission is a copyright violation. So it's kinda like the pot calling the kettle black.

I just went to the RS site, and everything is gone. Such a shame.


This reminds me of what happened to Sims Connection when there is this Starbucks Set used without any permission that is pay.
And yes, the site is cleared except for the " Who is John Galt? " frame Edited 06-11-2006 23:54:14 by aa93
 
 
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  Posted by kikkert1 on: 07-11-2006 00:11
In a way, it all seems very childish to me. First of all that donationsets are being offered for free, but also the attitude of some creators. I can understand it's not nie to see your hard work being offered for free, but punishing everyone for what some of them do is not a mature way of handling things  
 
 
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The EULA for EA clearly states that EA Games owns the copyright of any items created with the code they used to make the Sims. They did however give creators permissions to accept money to cover their bandwidth costs. Unfortunately a lot of creators have abused this system.

Truthfully, what creators who charge for donations sets are doing is against the EULA of EA Games and therefore a grayshade of illegal. Pescado received the files from people who donated money to receive the files. He did not steal them. He is sharing what was shared with him.

I agree with Sharon, that is is humorous and hypocritical of the Retail Sims site owner the have abused the Krispy Kreme copyright, but now that her set is available for free, she cries foul and throws a temper tantrum.

What Pescado is doing causes no harm except to people who have abused the system. These people do not work for EA Games, they aren't employees of EA and therefore should not treat a hobby as employment.

Do these creators have business licenses? Do they pay taxes on their received donations?

If they aren't careful they will wake up someone larger than EA Games at the door. The taxman. Heaven help you if the taxman makes a visit.

As a side note. The owner of Retail Sims may have taken her stuff down, but she made sure to leave her Paypal button up didn't she?

Just a thought...
 
 
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  Posted by aa93 on: 07-11-2006 01:07
DelMita wrote:
The EULA for EA clearly states that EA Games owns the copyright of any items created with the code they used to make the Sims. They did however give creators permissions to accept money to cover their bandwidth costs. Unfortunately a lot of creators have abused this system.

Truthfully, what creators who charge for donations sets are doing is against the EULA of EA Games and therefore a grayshade of illegal. Pescado received the files from people who donated money to receive the files. He did not steal them. He is sharing what was shared with him.

I agree with Sharon, that is is humorous and hypocritical of the Retail Sims site owner the have abused the Krispy Kreme copyright, but now that her set is available for free, she cries foul and throws a temper tantrum.

What Pescado is doing causes no harm except to people who have abused the system. These people do not work for EA Games, they aren't employees of EA and therefore should not treat a hobby as employment.

Do these creators have business licenses? Do they pay taxes on their received donations?

If they aren't careful they will wake up someone larger than EA Games at the door. The taxman. Heaven help you if the taxman makes a visit.

As a side note. The owner of Retail Sims may have taken her stuff down, but she made sure to leave her Paypal button up didn't she?

Just a thought...


I know what you mean, but then people who download from Pescado is stealing, right? And that HChangeri from Retail Sims did not leave anything behind except the ' Who is John Gale? " background
 
 
 
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aa93 wrote:
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I know what you mean, but then people who download from Pescado is stealing, right? And that HChangeri from Retail Sims did not leave anything behind except the ' Who is John Gale? " background



Not really, downloads from Pescado are hosted by him, to be downloaded for free and thus not costing the creator anything, nor leaving them out of pocket. If, for example, he was distributing usernames and passwords, that would perhaps be stealing, as it would be detracting from the creator's bandwidth and so on.
 
 
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aa93 wrote:
And that HChangeri from Retail Sims did not leave anything behind except the ' Who is John Gale? " background


Scroll down her rant. To the left side is her PayPal button. It's only that far down because her rant is so long.

Another point. Her threatening to sic Black Hats on Pescado isn't illegal, but she is talking about illegal activities. While Pescado may have stepped on some toes he has done nothing illegal. Much less threaten anyone.

Edited 07-11-2006 01:27:48 by DelMita
 
 
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  Posted by aa93 on: 07-11-2006 01:26
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Not really, downloads from Pescado are hosted by him, to be downloaded for free and thus not costing the creator anything, nor leaving them out of pocket. If, for example, he was distributing usernames and passwords, that would perhaps be stealing, as it would be detracting from the creator's bandwidth and so on.

But then its not right to host other people's files as yours. When things are yours, its not the right way to take it and say "Oh! This is mine!" And further more, most stuff do have copyrights on them
 
 
 
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  Posted by Daria on: 07-11-2006 01:26
just to point out, that paypal button is not to donate its one of those info links to tell people what paypal is and how to use it, theres nothing about donating to this site at all.
 
 
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You are right. I just assumed. But it is still here.
 
 
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  Posted by Daria on: 07-11-2006 01:31
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You are right. I just assumed. But it is still here.

well i dont see anything wrong with that as long as she didnt have the unmittigated gaul to accept further donations, which of course would be ridiculas.
 

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Post Posted by DelMita on: Nov, 7 2006 0:34 AM
I wouldn't know if she does or not but I would be surprised if she turned them down, just because that is the way of human nature.
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Post Posted by aa93 on: Nov, 7 2006 0:41 AM
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The EULA for EA clearly states that EA Games owns the copyright of any items created with the code they used to make the Sims. They did however give creators permissions to accept money to cover their bandwidth costs. Unfortunately a lot of creators have abused this system.

Truthfully, what creators who charge for donations sets are doing is against the EULA of EA Games and therefore a grayshade of illegal. Pescado received the files from people who donated money to receive the files. He did not steal them. He is sharing what was shared with him.

I agree with Sharon, that is is humorous and hypocritical of the Retail Sims site owner the have abused the Krispy Kreme copyright, but now that her set is available for free, she cries foul and throws a temper tantrum.

What Pescado is doing causes no harm except to people who have abused the system. These people do not work for EA Games, they aren't employees of EA and therefore should not treat a hobby as employment.

Do these creators have business licenses? Do they pay taxes on their received donations?

If they aren't careful they will wake up someone larger than EA Games at the door. The taxman. Heaven help you if the taxman makes a visit.

As a side note. The owner of Retail Sims may have taken her stuff down, but she made sure to leave her Paypal button up didn't she?

Just a thought...


Another argumentative point, why do Pescado share donation files from Websites that only earn money to pay theur bandwidth?

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Post Posted by DelMita on: Nov, 7 2006 0:42 AM
Since you edited, now I have to edit too.

Pescado is relieving them of their obligation to pay bandwidth costs. He is paying for their bandwidth for them. If it is only bandwidth they are worried about, then why should it matter?
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Post Posted by nivaya on: Nov, 7 2006 0:42 AM
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But then its not right to host other people's files as yours. When things are yours, its not the right way to take it and say "Oh! This is mine!" And further more, most stuff do have copyrights on them


This is the point, Pescado is making no attempt whatsoever to claim he made any of these things, and frankly, having seen the few things he has designed () I don't suppose anyone would be silly enough to believe him if he did, everything he hosts there is given proper credit to its creators. I happen to be firmly against plagarism (sp?), I think it's disgusting to take someone else's work, and claim that everything that has gone into it was done by yourself, but that isn't what is going on.

(edit: Sorry DelMita, didn't notice you'd said virtually the same thing!! >.<
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Post Posted by aa93 on: Nov, 7 2006 0:44 AM
DelMita wrote:
I don't.


Ok, changed that post to Pescado
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Post Posted by DelMita on: Nov, 7 2006 0:48 AM
No worries to either one of you. Repetitiveness isn't necessarily a bad thing, and I edited my post to reflect your edit.
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Post Posted by aa93 on: Nov, 7 2006 0:54 AM
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No worries to either one of you. Repetitiveness isn't necessarily a bad thing, and I edited my post to reflect your edit.


Filesharing is right ONLY when the site-owner or whoever it is gives you or anybody the permission to do so. If you don't its just simply wrong.

You might want to check our Sims1/2 FSF section as a reference with that site that shares donation files

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Post Posted by nivaya on: Nov, 7 2006 0:05 AM
I think a lot of the problem is, people are only hearing about this through HChangeri's rage, and aren't getting a full understanding of the other side. She uses a lot of words like 'punishment', 'stealing', and 'second-raters', none of which are anyone's intention, nor applicable to what is ACTUALLY going on.

Another thing is, filesharing has been going on ALL THE TIME between friends, Pescado is not the first person to do this, he is simply one of the most open about it, and this is because he believes strongly in what he's doing, he's not just doing it because he woke up one day and thought 'I know, I'll upset people for fun...'...well, I'm sure he did do that, but not about this. It's not as if nobody's ever been on MSN and said 'Dude, I just got this donation file', and their friend said 'Sweet, can I have it?', and the first person said 'Yeah, here you go'...This has been going on since the first payfiles came online. It's just been done in private.
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Post Posted by DelMita on: Nov, 7 2006 0:05 AM
I've not done anything more than to offer another view of the situation. I'm not saying who is right or who is wrong.

The only points I'm trying to get across is the only one that owns any of the CC that is created for the game is EA, and that the owner of Retail Sims is throwing a tantrum.

You are part of the reason the world is so polluted with morons. Please dont reproduce. You come get all the files and I also noticed that you joined SFV and then do everything you can to slam the people that are handing you the files. It is irritating to say the least. I would not try that shit at SFV, you wont last if you do.

it's a den of sheep and ass-lickers, with the requisite couple of terriers there to defend them...>.<

LOL are we that bad?

Simbella's to me is probably the poster child for the absolute worst site in the sim community.  If there was one site I would love to destroy it would be them, hands down.  If you have no idea why I am saying this, try spending 10 minutes in their forced asskissing forum and then try telling me you don't feel like kicking a puppy.  I can guareentee you will, and I love puppies.

I wish that JM could get each and every one of their IPs so he could tract their movements here and on MATY. I bet they're here... at least most of those Ass-kissig-live-in-a-box-cause-mommy-told-me-to-ers.

It amuses me that that person thinks, I dunno, that Pescado's doing this for the attention, or to et more members for his EZboard so he can rise in the Topsites, or something childish...

I've seen it happen lots of times, even with free sites. Some premadonna gets her panties in a bunch because some 10 year old inadvertently uploaded something to the exchange with their stuff it in, and they send out their little lemmings to go claw the kid's eyes out.

Credit Schmedit. Wow, some faceless person connected to the internet knows that someone by the handle of 'Moondoggy' made that dress they downloaded. Yep, that's some real fame for you.

The issue, I contend, is still the same. Manipulation. Pulling a file or a site down punishing the whole community to try and manipulate them into attacking a person or site. It's childish and obnoxious.

Also, when you are dealing with a forum that quite literally has a large portion of users who are young children, you are going to get some who misbehave. No one would find it appropriate that some 40something year old stranger is screaming their head off at someone else's kid irl (Okay well maybe Pescado would), and yet that's exactly what goes on online sometimes.

1."Here is my completely insane and barely comprehensible tirade."

2."I will paint it over to look as if I have taken some high moral ground and am a martyr to some unusual self-imposed and imaginary cause."

3."I will now become mindlessly pretentious and reference the Holy Mother of Non-Intellects as if this somehow proves I have character and masks the fact that I just took a massive shit on the internet."

As you can see, the only way this person differs from LyricLee is in step three.

What are you talking about? Screaming at those damn kids to get off the lawn is a time-honored activity running back to when lawns were first invented, shortly after the invention of dirt.

You actually have a lawn?  :)

I know the content has been removed but the main page is still there with the ads.  So . . .
I emailed Google and sent them a copy of a portion of HChangeri's tirade.  I received a reply stating that to uphold their quality and reputation they would look into the matter.  

We'll see.

It's amazing though, how many people point to this site as being a bunch of thieving low-lives who live to stir up trouble for hard working creators, when we'd be perfectly happy to be ignored by them completely. Also, I don't think they, in their 'righteous indignation' really understand that by raging against us, they are drawing attention to our cause and more people join us everyday.

Ok, I am one of the sites that is having my pay files distributed here. To be honest I was not worried about it at all. From day 1 I knew my meshes and donation files would be shared and actually feel quite honoured that people thought enough of the files to bother sharing! lolol

I also didn't bother downloading any of the files being distributed because I do not have any other files in my game but my meshes. I do not see the point because I don't play the game, I just make meshes :)

I do however think it is quite wrong to "slam" all sites who offer sets for donation, not all of us are against file sharing and jump up and down about it. What site do I have? nunya!! lololol

I just have to say, this is refreshing. Good for you.

I know the content has been removed but the main page is still there with the ads.  So . . .
I emailed Google and sent them a copy of a portion of HChangeri's tirade.  I received a reply stating that to uphold their quality and reputation they would look into the matter.  

We'll see.

Yeah, seems like everyone but me knows some evil hacker to do their bidding for them? Why can't I find anyone like that? Having to do it yourself is such a pain in the neck.

In fact, without SimPE they'd make NOTHING! Let's not forget Quaxi works for FREE.

I propose that one of the meshers here make a cross complete with nails so that the creators who moan and groan can have something to martyr themselves with.

I do not think there is anything wrong with a site ocassionally charging for a set when they do have a huge amount of free content. Not all of us have the priviledge of being able to get low cost space with a huge amount of bandwidth. For now my site is fine and will be free downloads and hopefully some people will help out with donations to keep it going for a long time to come :)

What about sending people a gift they don't know about before they donate?
(But that would probably not work for long because people would tell they got a surprise.)

What I don't understand is why is it okay for JM to charge for Sims content, but not anybody else?

http://www.moreawesomethanyou.com/

*cough*HYPOCRITE*cough

OMG the thread about Retailsims closing over at Simbella's is hilarious. Someone called *Melissa* posted this:



And all that talk about how pescado is a pervert.. oh and someone being disgusted because an admin said 'shit' on their precious little forum!  :D

Having, err debated with the lad on a number of topics, I have come to the conclusion that he is many things, none of which are perverted.

Also, have you notived, RetailSims, even in its emptiness, is S2C's Featured Site....

It's random. So, as long as it's not deleted, it will appear as a Featured Site. :roll:

I think where Pescado's flaw is that he fails to see that – and to EA / Maxis does too.  3D object creators make a lot of money in the real world.  EA / Maxis is getting the benefit of having an army of creators adding value to their game (and potentially driving sales of the game, the EPs and Stuff Packs) for FREE.  I think that's why the EULA grants creators the right to charge for "bandwidth."  I think that was the lawyers' way of acknowledging that meshes are valuable commodities if they are carefully crafted.  They couldn't come out and say that without some serious legal problems so they decided to grant the right to charge for 'bandwidth.'  If you give your creations away freely then you have to expect that someone may extract that mesh and it may appear in another game or get used in some other venue that the creator didn't envision.

Ya, tits rock.

She compares the community as a whole to something in her beloved Atlas Shrugged, which is you look at her personal MySpace, she explains clarified everything in alllllll of life for her...anyway, she compares herself to her equally beloved John Galt, who 'merely vanishes'....

Myspace always has problems.

... the problem is that everyone is overlooking the fact that its not about selling content for TS2, is about selling a custom created 3D mesh.  That mesh is NOT exclusive to TS2 or any other game and has value in and of itself.

Shhh... you'll let out a dirty little secret.

A TS2 mesh is not a TS2 mesh without the game, its code and the packages.  It is just some 3D model.  And then, paysite owners would have a legitimate beef - if they were only selling the models and photshop images.

But alas, they are not.  If fact, that is only about 1% of what they are selling.  The other 99% is Maxis code.

I think, as a creator, I should have the right to charge for the work that went into the creation of the mesh

... the problem is that everyone is overlooking the fact that its not about selling content for TS2, is about selling a custom created 3D mesh.  That mesh is NOT exclusive to TS2 or any other game and has value in and of itself.

So why is she continuing to whine at a pitch that makes dogs' ears hurt about TS2, instead of selling her OH SO WONDERFUL TOOK HOURS OF HARD WORK 3D models on 3D modelling site for hundreds of dollars?

Perhaps she's found out the hard way that outside of TS2, her leet skills aren't in very high demand. ¬_¬

laylei, I like your avatar. :lol:

Right.

Sometimes I write stuff.  You know, like stories.  Sometimes poetry, but that's really for if I don't want to make a lot of sense and pretend I'm cool.  Sometimes I let people read them.

Because I put so much ohmygodmyfingersfelloffworkingonthis effort into it, I should charge the three or four people that actually read it.

Damn, I knew I was missing something.  Time to harass my friends and get them to cough up the cash...  And you know, I put a lot of work into my homework.  Teachers need to pay me, and none of this "your pay is a good grade" shtick.

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I second the motion.

Ah, but you know, if your writing is good enough that people would want to pay to read it, then you're perfectly within your rights to charge for it.

Charging for sims content is more along the lines of charging for fanfic. You're asking people to pay you money for something that you infringed copyright by claiming as your own.

You want to say the fuck word, anoramic?  You may say the fuck word.  Pirates curse.

Well, except those fancy pirates with the very large hats.

Musicians..?
More like karaoke singers.
They didn't compose the catchy tunes, EA did!

You want to say the fuck word, anoramic? You may say the fuck word. Pirates curse.

Well, except those fancy pirates with the very large hats.

Go ahead, I love to share!

But you'd have to be careful about the cursing. You don't wanna sound like a drunken sailor, right?

But you'd have to be careful about the cursing. You don't wanna sound like a drunken sailor, right?

So for the sake of all my bullshit problems and to save the starving pigmy's would you all take out your wallets, bend over and take it in the
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Yup. If they go through with it, I have a special killmark to commemorate the occasion prepped.

I will *not* offer up the Bella's Secret set as of yet.  I haven't decided what to do with it since Pescado is hosting it for free.

Welcome to the wonderful world that is HChangeri.  Drama queen doesn't even come close.  Check these out--They're all her.  The first two you know--then there's the rest of them!

http://www.retailsims.com/
http://www.myspace.com/retailsims
http://www.myspace.com/texelgirl
http://www.whiterosesgarden.com/
http://www.zazzle.com/HChangeri
http://www.texelgirl.com/cafepress.htm
http://www.texelgirl.com/

Wow, that was fast. I thought she'd come back by mid-December. I suppose the little icon on the frontpage will be removed.

This reminds me of when I go to concerts.  The band finishes playing, says "goodnight" or "thanks" and then they leave.  The crowd cheers with applause.  You know the band is going to come back and play an encore.  They always do.  I've been to over a hundred concerts and never once can I recall a time a band did not.  

Due to the enormous quantity of requests I received for permission to distribute my meshes, for reposts of previous sets, etc, I decided it would just be easier to bring the site back.

$100 for this?! (http://www.turbosquid.com/FullPreview/Index.cfm/ID/330387)

hahahahaha!
I just noticed the first line of text on retail sims home page.
"Now integrity free" That's right there used to be a little bit but now it's free from all integrity.

Or maybe this is all an elaborate joke on us? Maybe her new slogan is the only hint that she has manipulated us the whole time? Maybe she's the one who'll get the last laugh, because she fooled us to think we had forced her to quit, only it wasn't our decision but hers, and then she beat us by opening the site before anyone noticed she had closed it...

That's the way I read it, too!
Obviously she doesn't realise it can be interpreted "Once had some integrity, but not anymore"! :lol:

I did blow off work and did go to the zoo. Never went back to that job and never went back to the shrink either. I had a blast at the zoo and took tons of pics of the baby panda (ok, all the animals but the panda was really active).

I took over 100 pictures that day and then got to watch them on my XBox 360....god i love that thing.

Like how we tether the Spies and Traitors to the mast? :D

*snerks, then chews the tether off as she loves to be behind... its good fun!*

*takes this completely out of context*

Behind what?  :o

I wonder if the killmark should come down. Retail Sims is back up and running and she now has some automatic user agreement on her page.

I wonder if the killmark should come down. Retail Sims is back up and running and she now has some automatic user agreement on her page. After she bitched and fucking had a hissy fit. How can she be 32 with an attitude like that? I've met 5 years old who are more mature.

Violation of this agreement can result in legal action.

I wonder if the killmark should come down. Retail Sims is back up and running and she now has some automatic user agreement on her page. After she bitched and fucking had a hissy fit. How can she be 32 with an attitude like that? I've met 5 years old who are more mature.

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So, for example, if the copyright owner licenses someone to make a copy (such as by downloading), then that copy (meaning the tangible medium of expression onto which it was copied under license, be it a hard drive or removable storage medium) may lawfully be sold, lent, traded or given away.

I don't think peggy has made any fuss, has she?

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Also Komosims, Cocosims and Windkeeper!

they made a fuss?

i would love to see what they had to say.

I wish there was more complains on PMBD

I don't know why, but I never thought Windkeeper would partake in that kind of thing.  :?

Yeah, I was similarly surprised, not that like, I know her or anything, but she always seemed to have pretty sensible, unhysterical redistribution policies...

Retailsims is back up and im not suprised @ all.

Of course she can't. It's bullshit like everything else she ever has to say.

Then Galt stops, looking off in the distance beyond the mountains.

"The road is cleared," he says. "We are going back to the world."

He raises his hand and, like a benediction, traces in space the sign of the dollar.

I paint and draw.  My paper, canvas, pencils, paints and brushes cost a lot of money.  I paint because I enjoy it.  If someone wants one of my paintings or drawings...they can have them.  I do it for personal enjoyment and don't act like I'm some long-suffering saint because I can make something that others may want.

She's an Ayn Randite. It's against her religion to do anything for anyone else unless she gets paid for it.

And paysite owners are essentially profiting on the backs of others (namely, EA, since EA owns the package format), which is more or less what Ayn Rand was against in the first place. So yeah, she missed the point by a fucking mile. But, it's not like this woman ever presented herself as intelligent anyway.

God forbid they too start misquoting Atlas Shrugged without a clue.  I mean, "non-existent deity forbid."

Ayn Rand would be somewhat unhappy with someone referring to her personal philosophy as a "religion" considering she was a staunch atheist. :roll:

Ayn Rand set herself up as leader of her own cult, no matter what she called it. You don't need a god to have a religion.

Oh, sure you do. She is the god.

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