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Juice Newsea (http://hi.baidu.com/juiceshine) saddens me. They have become a paysite. It also seems that only Chinese citizens can get it? WTH? A paysite and restricting your customers? Bad move. After clicking links, it does seem to have a paypal option.

It's Sunday, I'm bored and now pissed off. Anyone want to vent with me?

ETA: It's available at Sims Cave (http://www.simscave.com/index.php?topic=7780.msg84399#msg84399), or in The Booty (http://paysites.mustbedestroyed.org/booty/newsea/).

Well... that fucking sucks.  I hope the site crashes and burns now.

I agree, Darqstar. A nice free site has to ruin itself for a couple of bucks.

What, were they just waiting to see what reception they'd get? This is a big turdsickle.

That really does suck. They'd get plenty of donations to keep going if they're just trying to pay for bandwidth, I'm sure. Bleah.

Whenever I see that site name I can only think of...THIS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZM3OJ1X178)

 ;D

Is this the same Juice that is on Peggy? If so, no surprise.

Probably, I have one of her hairs and it has the same kinda feel as Juice hair on Peggy's site.

It's Peggy's Juice and somebody else... Yu? I guess it isn't too much of a surprise, but they've been up for a little while now with no donation items; I was really hoping they'd stay free.

They probably had every intention of becoming a paysite. More important, does this weaken Peggy?

Juice has been selling hair for ages, so it's not a big surprise.

With their ties to Peggy, I was just waiting for it to happen.  I'm pretty disappointed that I was right in this case--the free community could really use a couple more hair meshers to combat Peggy, Rose, and company. :( 

Don't tell me you've never been to Coolsims? Or Fabulousims?  :D

I have, but, the way Peggy has been churning hairs out, people who want quantity over quality will still be going straight to Peggy. :-\  She's been coming out with what, a couple a week?  I still think she must have a few people working for her--she and Juice can't do it all that quickly.

Don't underestimate that which has no life  :P

I have no idea why I didn't connect this Juice with Peggy, but, I didn't.  :P It's not a huge surprise, but, still pisses me of.  >:(

Hopefully, all of the payfiles this site pumps out will end up in the Booty.

ETA: Edited my first post with a link to get it for free.  ;D

Maybe she has a bunch of chinese gold farmers (http://image.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2008/02/12/china-internet460.jpg) working for her.  :D

 Welcome to the booty Juice

 I am not surprised  either (if it is the same one from pegy)  I am sure Pegy is raking in the cash so they want to keep part of that action. I would love to see Pegys numbers and how much he really makes.

Heh I was wondering how long it would take for Juice to go pay.

I'm not fussed - I hug my free site hair files - Nouk, coolsims, fabulousims, deditalsheep - and juicenewsea, formerly free is relegated to the folder of traitors I don't advertise.  :D

I guess these sites asking for subs/donations are making their final push to sell content before Sims 3 comes out. Greedy bastards >:(

God this is depressing. My scruples vs. my hair whore nature.  :o

One word that should ease your mind: BOOTY!

greedy Fekin bastards,   >:(I hope there chooks turn into emu,s and peck there eyes out hahahah..seriously whats the world comin too GREED pure and simple..well I hope Karma gets em all

Or rips off Poser hair meshes.

I just discovered that site too! :'( (thanks to Sims Cave LMAO) Oh well, to the bootay they go!

I propose a nickname - Juice Newsance.

Damn, and I am a sucker for hair files. From excellent to mildly decent. Do not judge, it is a disease people.

Can't say I am surprised. The "Juice" gave her away.

Oh, they have new hair, and surpirise surprise, it's pay... ::)

http://hi.baidu.com/juiceshine/blog/item/676dd4503d77572c43a75bd5.html

http://hi.baidu.com/juiceshine/blog/item/0d3be3edfcd03b2f63d09fd5.html

Hope we get that in the booty?

Apparently "gift" and "donate" mean two different things even though you have to pay for both to get them. ::)

This confirmed my suspicions they were associated with Peggy. Sad since I like their style, but they don't really add anything new in the way of downloads anyway, especially for male hair. ::)

More affeminate male hair. Do not want!
I seriously thought it was a girl until the 2nd or 3rd pic where you can see his chest.

The pig-tails do nothing for me either. I've seen better for free.

It's the same as Rose's "gifts": You pay for two "donation"- sets, then you get one "gift".

Right now they have two donationsets and two gifts up ::)

The first hair they had up had a female and a male version, you could buy them for 2$ each I think, now they've made the male version into a gift.

I wonder if they are going on this way and especially if they will keep adding paypal buttons 15 days later.

I shared the Hawaii set over at simscave and it was 2$ for the male and female hair together.  I thought I was just paying for the female and she sent both. 

Shortly after sharing Juice PM'd me over there complaining she only sent it to six people worldwide and it was shared already, that it takes a long time to create blah blah blah.

Juicey Red Butthurt! Now there's a shade of red Cover Girl should consider making into a lipstick (Peggy could then turn around and offer it as one of her premium gifts, thus completing the circle of shame).

That's generally why booty updaters take a while. So that the list of donators grow and it's harder for the paysite to pinpoint who shared the file. It's a shame that the site became a paysite. Should have guessed it though since it is the Juice from Peggy. Just wondering though, is it just me, or do Juice's new pigtails look a lot like Rose's old pigtails?

Do you mean Rose's hair 65?

I first assotiated it with one of the newer hairs at Peggyzone, the one with the long animestyle pigtails, just shorter.

Btw., the hair is not by Juice himself but his girlfriend, Yu, that's why they don't look as "advanced" as Juice's hair at Peggysims do. None of the hairs is by Juice himself.
Maybe Yu is not good enough to be a payed creator at the Peggyzone, so she convinced her boyfriend to open a blog where she could sell her creations, and Juice only adds in some items like makeup and single clothes which aren't good enough or too small in number for a whole Peggysims update... [/speculation]

Yep, that's the one. Just looked at the pictures, and it just looks like they added some length, body, and changed the bangs. Besides that, the overall style and shape seems the same.

Oh I did not even notice there was two creators on that site! :D Shows how well I can read doesn't it? I just think that the whole lot of them are little school children and have figured out they can make money by selling their creations to buy more candy.  :P

The new hair is available for non-Chinese people now: http://hi.baidu.com/juiceshine

EDIT: Or for which hair did they write that?  ???
Sorry when I was wrong...

Not advanced enough? I actually like these hairs better than Peggy's to be honest.

Me too. I think the colors and textures are much better, and the ones I downloaded (before they went pay) didn't have gaps. They're still sucky pay hairs, though, and I really don't need more male bouffants.

does amyone know where the eyelashes come from? i couldnt find them on that site

http://hiphotos.baidu.com/juiceshine/pic/item/21891ffab5b990376c22eb2d.jpg (http://hiphotos.baidu.com/juiceshine/pic/item/21891ffab5b990376c22eb2d.jpg)

I don't like their textures at all, sorry. Only since their Lollipop hair the texture looks decent in my eyes. Of course it's personal opinion, if you think they're better it's fine. I don't know anything about making textures, I just know what I like and what I don't like.

Yes, some newer Peggyzone hairs are not that great, too, but this has something to do with the large number of creators (haven't seen a single gap for more than a year though). There are at least eight different creators responsible for the newer hairsets, but until very recently I haven't noticed that. Have you noticed that? Most likely not, as they just match pretty well. Just imaging one of Yu's hairs would have appeared in line with the other creator's hairs, maybe hair 009 or 014 ... it would not have matched in there.
Now you can still say that this might be a good thing, that their hairs are better and that they don't match in there because of this. But whatever you think, they look different, and that might be a reason why she doesn't use the Peggyzone as her platform to sell her hairs but is using their own site instead.

Rissa, I like your textures way more than Peggy's. Yours look more natural to me. Somehow you make the mesh look fuller and softer. And I like the tiny little imperfections. They make the hair look more human. Peggy's look like they've been coated with lacquer, and they are always off-colored too. I always look to see if you've done a recolor first, before I download one of hers.

The only hair of theirs I liked is the lollipop mesh. The textures are eh to me, but like Rissa said, we all have our own thing.


This! All my male sims used to use the crappy EA hairs until someone here mentioned Nouk had some nice guy hairs. How I missed them I don't know, but I don't get why there aren't more nice short hair styles for guys.  ???

If I may add my two cents...I think Juice and Peggy kind of prepared ahead of time for the eventual welcoming into the Booty.
I've noticed a lot of their hair additions include very crazy mapping. Hence:

(http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/1624/2j2ycko.png)

They're obviously making it harder for people to get it for free whether it's on Booty or not, because most people want to retexture it. If they find it too difficult to retexture, they won't take it.

I know nothing about meshing, but that looks like a ton of unnecessary work. It doesn't make much sense to me, because if people want to retexture it, they'll often link to the site where you can get the original mesh. So wouldn't making a mesh that was easy to retexture be better for business?

Juice and Yu are shooting themselves in the foot by making the UV map unnecessarily complicated.  Yes, this looks like a deliberate effort to make it hard to recolor.  And yes, that does make the hair less attractive to creators who would only download it in order to recolor.  I know there are folks on MTS2 who like dustfingers Maxis match style recolors of (free) Juice and Peggy meshes.  There are several creators who "Noukify" meshes, apply Nouk's textures to them.  Some folks might not download those meshes if not for those recolors. 

Essentially yes. But when your a paysite like Peggy and have no rights on GOS you have to find other ways around it. Because unfortunately for her it is a pay mesh and it will be shared by retexturers or the booty. And yes it is a ton of unnecessary work. I tried for about 3 hours+ to get even Neena's textures to line up on that bitch and just could do it.

Following Peggy's textures does not work for this one?

I was gonna say...it shouldn't be too bad to retexture, but alpha-editing is probably never going to happen.  Or at least, I wouldn't be able to wrap my head around it.

Somebody over at Emosims did retexture it, I think. But alpha editing? People are already clawing their own eyes out over it. Some of the hairs are way too long, and shortening it will either look weird and choppy or end up screwing up another part of the mesh. But I'd say eventually people are going to give up on the ridiculous mapping, and Newsea might succeed in remaining a new paysite.

But on texturing? Juices' textures look plastic. I'm happy for those who can sit down and have that kind of patience.  ;)

I think this is a good thing: Peggy purposely borking her texture maps. I am sick of everyone giving her free press by endlessly recoloring and fixing her crappy meshes. She isn't unique. There are many great free creators like Nouk, Fabulous Sims, Cool Sims and quasi free (at least for hair) XM sims. Why not focus on those meshes?

ETA: Austere, your multiple blinking pictures in your avatar and signature are annoying. I've ad-blocked most of them.

Don't worry, I've gotten rid of them.

 I agree, I have seen some nice things done with  xm hair , there is a creator over at MTS2 who has done editing to their hair. She made a pony tail out of a mesh and it looks like a whole new hair.  I think nouk allows re textures, I did see one over at the gos and  Lapink did a recolor but certianly I would love to see more.  I guess it is because pegy pops out a new hair every week that she is popular..

Peggy's mapping has always been pretty atrocious.  I retexured/realphaed one of her old pay bobs (http://pics.livejournal.com/quinctia/pic/00athg52) for a Secret Santa gift last year (yeah, I know there are other bobs out there, but the person had a 1920s themed hood, and I wanted to give her MOAR BOBS that she definitely didn't have before), and it was nearly impossible to give that thing a blunt cut because of how it was mapped.

It ended up looking decent (http://pics.livejournal.com/quinctia/pic/00atp79k), because it was short and my end goal was easy (http://pics.livejournal.com/quinctia/pic/00atk4dq), but it took a lot of fiddling around.

So I'm not entirely sure that this latest mapping is malicious instead of a result of more Peggy "What gap?" nonlogic.

And while I get what you're saying about editing other hair instead of Peggy's, every hair that exists tends to get the retexture treatment over at GoS these days.  It's less "OMG MUST RETEXTURE PEGGY HAIRS" and more "OMG MUST RETEXTURE ALL HAIRS."

Ah, it's people mapping short and long pieces of hair on the same part of the texture. Thus alpha editing it will mean the long and short parts will both change. This is usually done to save space on the texture file, and because it saves time. But if you want to do an alpha edit it's really annoying.

New pretty hair by them: http://hi.baidu.com/juiceshine/blog/item/d70b3c08e392dda72fddd4f6.html

I hate NewSea for being pay now... >:(

(http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/2121/571fb1ec60e8ce6d79f055f.jpg) (http://img15.imageshack.us/my.php?image=571fb1ec60e8ce6d79f055f.jpg)

Its a nice hair. Just what is up with all the odd colors?

Yeah, the colors are indeed horrible. Can't wait when it gets nouked tbh... ;)

I want this hair so I can try my hand at Nouking/Liegiening it.
But if the mesh is too wildly mapped, it's all yours. It'd look gorgeous with different textures though...

Grrr, this isn't GOS. Here pay = suck

Stop the gushing, we don't give them free press.

Ok, I'll name the colors in order.  ;D
Toxic Waste Black, Tree Bark, Sand, Burned Noodle, Paris Hilton, Barbie, Dyed Formaldehyde
Pepto Bismol Red, Eyebleach, Eyebleach pt 2, Smelly Straw, Too Much Damn Sun, and Poo Brown.

Eh, I was bored. But I'm not gushing now.

I've stopped bothering telling people - they're thick as bricks. Apparently they think it's great to advertise paysites here.

I started the topic because I was pissed that this site had turned pay.  I had no idea Juice was the person from Peggy, so, I was a bit shocked when they went pay. I definitely did not want this thread to become the update "wish I had this new hair" place to post.  :P

Hopefully, this topic can now die unless they do something horrid that we wanna chat about.

We're a free site, so why are you ragging on us? By all means have a go at someone for breaking the rules of this site but for the love of God, leave the moaning about how another site works out of it okay?

The person, you're ranting at was banned from GoS, so how exactly is their raving about pay items GoS's fault?

Not to mention wordy mcword on what Anyer's said.

I think that what is meant is that at GoS its okay to talk about recolouring pay meshes while here we don't.

Eh, sorry but the booty is pay-stuff as we all know...
So do you want now delete all the booty because we're advertising the pay stuff with it?  ::)

Meh, sorry but I really don't see the problem here at all.
But I do apologize for talking about recoloring pay hair if its really such a big problem here...

Well, technically, it seems that it's perfectly okay to talk about recoloring them so long as you don't say that you like them. Or is Nouk now on everyone's shit list for discussing Peggy's UV maps?  :P

Considering how fervently you all defend the creative efforts of the most lowly of flood fillers, so long as they're giving their stuff away for free, the continued digs at GoS (and its free creators, and its many pirate members) seem both petty and personal, though what GoS has done to earn the enmity of the PMBD regulars is not at all clear. There was a thread a short time ago discussing what sort of activities or behaviors were turning people off of PMBD and thus potentially hurting the pirate cause, and I'm pretty confident that disparaging a popular free site and, by association, its many CC creators, does not create a positive impression.  

I don't see continued digs, there is a level of tension, but these discussions only get dramatic when goslings come and raise the level of importance. I like the creativity, the best finds, the theme threads, the request thread, lots of things at GOS. I usually have both GOS and PMBD open in tabs. I remember when the whole unfortunate conflict with Nouk arose, one of the first comments was "this isn't PMBD." It was a fair comment, because it isn't. It's also fair to say "this isn't GOS." Nobody disparaged the creators at GOS, no one ever has at PMBD. We're definitely on your side regarding the TSR creator is trying to pass off Corrine's mesh as hers. On the other hand, there have been extensive discussions about what goslings don't like about PMBD.

Every time GOS is mentioned, it is not an insult.  I took the remark to mean exactly what it says, "This is not GOS."  It isn't.  It's PMBD.  At GOS it is fine to talk about the work of a paid creator in glowing terms.  Here, it's considered counterproductive, which makes sense.  The idea is that charging isn't only bad for the EULA and for the spirit of the community, it's also bad because there are usually free and better counterparts, and, a lot of pay sites cut corners.  

GOS is different and different isn't bad, it's just different.  You support the idea of free sites only, but that isn't your main focus.  There is nothing wrong with that, but it's not PMBD's objective and if we were to start a "Pay stuff can rock, and I'll prove it," thread,  that would be about the same as shooting ourselves in the foot.  Generally, we all know there are pay creators that do some good stuff, but we don't go around babbling about it.  It's not the point of the site, in fact, it's the polar opposite of the site.

There may be a couple members of PMBD that dislike GOS, but I hardly think it's a growing trend.  I can't answer for everyone at PMBD, but I don't think I'm alone at thinking GOS is a great site with some marvelously talented people who do some fantastic work and make some of the most unique custom content for The Sims. I mean, thanks to GOS and Club Crymson, I can finally have teenagers wearing realistic looking dark clothing  that doesn't show off their attributes as if they're baby hookers.  I love that you have folks that fix Peggy's horrible gappy rippedoff posermesh hair, and if someone is into that, GOS is the place to discuss it. Around here, you can request it, there's a special thread for just such things, but no, it's not cool to say, "oooh, look at this wonderful new pay hair!"  




And this will probably earn me a one way ticket out of here, but damn it, am I the only person who's sick and tired of seeing that whole thing turn into a big, "Now I can whine about what bothers me about PMBD and I'll be RIGHT because people COMPLAINED!"  Okay, someone didn't like it here and left.  We don't know details, we just know it happened because we were told.  Nothing specific, just this, "Someone didn't like it,"  And we all turned into a bunch of pussies, Kermit flailing and going, "OH NOES WE OFFENDED SOMEONES!"

And it turned into the big excuse.  "Don't do this, remember, someone didn't like PMBD!  Don't do that, Remember, someone complained!"  Well, while I feel bad at the support being withdrawn, it's getting a little irritating that now we're all supposed to gather around, give each other hugs and a quick stroke off, and sing a few rounds of The Barney song, by the campfire.  

Sorry folks, but this place is turning into a "Wimps push us around and we roll over like good little dogs."  People can start all the useless threads they want, and all we can do is gently tell them, "Golly, we don't do that around here!"  In fact, it seems like people can do anything they want, and if someone dares to complain, they get, "Why are you PICKING on them? They're trying, leave them alone!"  

What some folks see as trying, I'm seeing as, "I'm too cool and awesome to lurk and read the FAQ, I'll just plunge in!"  And you know what?  I can't blame the Noobs for it.  I mean, what's the worst that's going to happen?   Someone might grow a spine and tell them off, but hey, 2-5 of our loving little Den Mothers will quickly swoop down to tell the person who had the nerve to pick on the poor noob, that they're being so mean!  What does that say? It says, "It's okay to make mistakes, but it's not okay to have them pointed out, or if you must, please do it in the gentlest way possible."  

I'm waiting for the blinkies and the glitter to come back.  And for threads to get resurrected with a "Yeah, you're right!" tacked on the end of them.  Because apparently, it's okay to do whatever you want at PMBD now, just don't be MEAN!  

And I'm tired of whoever it was that left, has become our boogyman and our weapon against each other.  "Oooh, you'd better be nice! Remember we had that discussion about it!  Remember, SOMEONE who was very important left this site, and it's all your fault for being mean!"  

And no, Nixy, I'm not just talking about you.  But I am sick of everyone around here getting their feelings hurt over nothing and then swinging the mysterious "Remember, someone complained!" over our heads.   I've been biting my tongue, but I've had it.  If this site wants to turn into, "Everything goes," there is little I can do alone, to  stop it.  But, when the 12's come in here with all their kawaii little blinkies, and resurrecting old threads, just to go, "LOL! I agree!" and other dumb shit, I won't take any responsibility for it.   I'll just leave and let the den mothers deal with their new PMBD crowd.  And they can all post pictures of pink shit and put a billion smilies in their posts.

Maybe that will make our Mysterious boogyman smile and come back.   In the meanwhile, this site will have just become another stupid message board with stupid people saying stupid things.  Like the millions of others out there.

I don't like that hair at all. It's lanky and stringy, and I would be surprised if it's animated well. There are tons of great long FREE hairs out there, this one is entirely unnecessary.

The booty is hosted here to give butthurt to paysites, and because all game mods need to be free, no matter how crappity they are. And that hair is quite thoroughly crappity.

The more whining I see about the fact that this mysterious "SOMEONE" complained about PMBD, the nastier I feel like getting, by the way. I don't give a flying fuck about this mysterious "someone's" poor wittwe cowardly ass. People get their feelings hurt. That's life. Everyone doesn't get along. That is also life, except at TSR, which is one big happy cult.

I don't like GOS. I don't dislike GOS. GOS means little or nothing to my life. Maybe some people here don't like it there (I don't know who that would be), but that hardly means the site has "the enmity of PMBD."

Funny how this post was glossed over. Because Anyerfillag's got a point. Your FAQ says no bitching about free sites, GoS is a free site. Does this GoS bashing have to do anything with Nouk departing from there?

Pardon me for the intrusion but I didn't see redisenchanted ragging on GoS. She was simply pointing out that while in GoS it's okay to praise pay creators, it's a big no-no to do so as per PMBD rules. I believe it was in no way an attack on GoS but merely an enforcement of a well-established PMBD rule. Just because this site is run differently than yours doesn't mean that we despise you and everything you stand for ;) it simply means that we work in a different way and that it's mere courtesy to abide our rules while you're here, regardless of what the protocol might be in your site.

Okay, I'm done butting in. :D

I do not see redisenchanted's post as ragging on GoS at all.  All they are really pointing out is that while on GoS it is alright to praise a paysites work, it is generally looked down upon here.

Not really directed at anybody at all, but why is everybody all of a sudden popping up out of nowhere and getting butthurt over the stupidest, smallest things? (Such as above post)  I thought the statement here was butthurt to the paysites!  Not pick apart every little post and get your feelings hurt because somebody is pointing out this site is different than another in it's mindset and goals.

Edit: Because iamawake beat me to it.  Also to say that the mapping on the hair is atrocious.  I don't even mesh or recolor and I can see it would be a pain.

Edit again because I forgot to give out some rum.  ;)

Well with all due respect iamawake I think most can agree that it's painfully obvious what she was insinuating. Now I'm not trying to antagonize but GoS is important to me and I'm going to defend it when people make stabs at it. You can't say that you wouldn't do the same if someone were attacking this website.

I somehow doubt that it has to do with Nouk leaving GoS, Slayer, I really do. I like a lot of things on GoS and quite a good many of the people, but I wouldn't feel at home joining there because the mindset is different. The two sites are both edgy and have cutting wit, it's just different and some folks can't do both.

If the talented people over there can take a shit hair and make it look like something I'd want in my game, more power to them! I've got some of them and prize them highly. It's just kind of, well, odd, to see anyone here say a damn thing nice about a pay hair because we are out to bring down all pay sites and make it easier for those talented people to get the hairs to work their magic on. I guess it boils down to people feeling off-step when something pay is praised and our mission here is to bring down the idiots that want to charge for pixels.

edited cause you peoples is all typing too damn fast for this old lady to catch up!!

I personally hate this whole PMBD/GoS bitchfest thats been going on.  Cut it out the two of you right now.  And go to your room.  Don't come out until you've apologised!

I might.  But I would also hope that someone would be decent enough to tell me if I'm deliberately looking for shit to bother me.

How can they apologize to each other if they're confined to their rooms? Just asking, so put down that brick, Immortelle!!

I wouldn't bother posting defending a site on a site where I wasn't already a regular, I wouldn't read everything in the most negative possible light, and I wouldn't construe one person's views to be the same as every other person's views on a site.

;D

I see what you're trying to get at, but the thing is I don't see the insinuation. That's not the way things roll around here. People in this site are every bit as defensive of the free community in general - including GoS - as you are of GoS. The dig here was, I believe, totally directed at Juice Newsea and not at GoS. I cannot speak for redisenchanted but when I read the post I saw it more like a mild reprehension over a broken rule and definitely not an attack (you can really tell when people attack here ;)).

Heck, I like GoS. Like Paden says, it houses plenty of talented creators that make beautiful things out of horrid pay meshes. There's many pirates that are also members and lurkers there who I think will agree with me. Honestly I don't see that bad vibe against GoS around here and believe me, while I'm not a regular poster I'm a diligent lurker.

Well since you put it that way it makes more sense. Just the tone of that post irked me. But then again maybe I was reading too far into it.

I do not consider what I said here to be bashing GOS. It looks defensive and 12ish to run around different forums trying to silence people that you perceive to be criticizing you. I'm not criticizing you here. I'm sure you're aware that I commented on my perception of your forum at Sims Cave. Start a thread over at GOS, and I'll discuss it with you there. I'll continue to happily download the steampunk, stompy boots, skintones, eyes, hair recolors that some of the fantastic creators over at GOS make.

I'm a lurker at GoS, I really enjoy reading stuff over there and snagging all the great content from the creators. I didn't take redisenchanted's post as a "dig" at GoS at all, just a reminder of our phorum rules.

Just so it's clear, I didn't mean to start a GOS/PMBD flame war by what I said. All I thought was that it'd look better retextured. Is this thread, then, for simply bashing Juice's hairs? I'm sure there's a lot of his hairs that people do actually like and they make innocent comments about.
And yes, I was banned from GOS because of my determination to be heard and their refusal to listen to me (they banned me before I was able to even talk to them about it, and they never replied to any of my PMs twice). Personally, I think the members are fine, it's just the staff that seems to think they're God's gifts to the world. But there really are talented people there that can make terrible hairs look gorgeous, just because of skill. I was one of the few that did like PMBD because I liked the self-policing thing - this way, we decide what we don't like and it's fine that way. Granted, I kind of dislike the way topics seem to veer off the road, through the old lady's fence and into the woods sometimes (like it is now), but that doesn't mean it's like that all the time.

I agree with Imortelle. Can we stop now?

Hey, thread derailment is a way of life around here, learn to live with it. We do eventually get back on topic.

Uh, that's what I just said. And I can learn to live with it, I was making a point.

Not on this site they don't. The point here being, if you're going to try and participate in a forum which has a specific purpose, try to catch on what's accepted and what's a big no-no. This place being PMBD, most of us would rather bite off our tongue before saying anything nice about the creations of people who treat us like mindless sheep and expect us to finance their honeymoons or second homes. Sure I've seen a piece of pay CC that wasn't too bad to include into my game, but I wouldn't download it due to principals and I wouldn't praise it anywhere. (especially on PMBD)

As to the matter of "UR MEAANZ HEREEEE", I really don't think so. Lately the whole atmosphere is way too nicey-nice. Over on GoS people get warnings for breaking the rules, here it's "Oh no...Let us not scare the poor lost lambs away!!!1!". Seeing idiocracy spewed on the phorum and no one saying a thing about it, is really sad.

Originally, I started this thread to bitch about the fact that this site became pay. I was shocked and pissed off. What it becomes after it's posted is completely up to the people that post in it.

I did learn that Juice is Peggy's Juice, so, now, I iz informed.

 I don't know about you, but I picked that it was Juicy from Peggyzone ages ago.

I apologise for taking a post out of content; just that I read it and felt it was taking a pick at GoS especially with what Redisen said at the Simscave (http://www.simscave.com/index.php?topic=4439.msg84259#msg84259), and I do not think for one moment it was Nouk related (as has been discussed). PMBD and GoS are my two Sims homes and I get defensive about both if they're slandered.

Back on topic: now that it seems Juice of Peggyzone has their own paysite does this mean they won't be at Peggyzone anymore? Or is this is another sick way of bringing in two 'incomes' ???

lolwut? Did I miss something?

It starts from that post Nouk, but seems to have been talked through. I didn't want people to think I thought the same, tis all.

Hmmm ok  :O I'm always late to the scene lol.
I read everything and I think the one comment was blown completely out of proportion. No-one hates GOS here and I don't know where that impression comes from.
(I am kind of shocked that some GOS people think I'm trying to stir shit for them? Even months after I left? I haven't heard any complaints, nothing. Just two people on my msn list asking some stuff.  If you are still having problems with me, email me. If you dont want to contact me at all, then please stop the weirdness aight. disclaimer: this message is only for GOS members who have a problem with me, not those that couldn't care less)

I hope everything is understood now.

(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i119/keirra1983/Smileys/grouphug2.gif)

Sorry, I couldn't resist.  ;D

This seems like another good time for that classic link...

yeeesssss...let's kiss and make up (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFmFm7N7M0o)

 :-*   and dont be bashful about the tongue action baby   :-*

Only our Simian of Plunder could find something this funny. Thanks for sharing! That is too funny.

Juice shares the blog with Yu (who someone upthread said might be his girlfriend?), and she's the one with the hairs for sale, not him.  Most of the stuff from Juice seems to be ugly lipsticks (case in point (http://hi.baidu.com/juiceshine/blog/item/6c2b71c6d3a4e1d4d00060e2.html)) and eyes, which are all free, and there's someone named Natts with some free uploads too.  Juice probably uploads all of his hairs to Peggyzone, and the extras on the blog might be rejects that Peggy deems not good enough or something.

So I don't think Juice is making money off of the site (not directly, anyway), though if Yu is really his girlfriend, he might be indirectly.

Now I have a question: Isn't the site Newsea is hosted at a Chinese blog site, meaning that they can't even use the "money for bandwith" excuse?  It'd be like someone opening up a LiveJournal account and trying to get people to pay for CC.

I haven't seen the "money for bandwidth" excuse in a while. Now it's "give me moniez because making cc is soooo haaarrrrd and sooooo much work and I am a Great Artiste." ::)

Yep and it really makes me laugh when the downloaders agree. I've read so many posts about "I don't mind paying for cc because the creator works so hard and really deserves the money I send."  ::)

I wish those people would contribute to WNF or any of the other free sites. Free sites just want the money to keep the site open, they aren't looking for a second home or whatever.

UGH!!!  lip stick with teeth..no thanks!  Looks really funny in game when sims are talking :-[

I completely agree. I have no problems with helping out sites or people helping out mine to cover server costs, but certainly not for anything else. Making CC should be first and foremost because you love the game and want to share that love with others.

edit - Sound like a right hippy going on about love!

I have never paid for cc. I've always felt that it's something I don't really need, so I'm not going to spend precious dollars on it. Plus even way back when I first started downloading, I could see that T$R had nothing worth downloading, even less worth paying for.
I have donated to certain free sites now and then when I had a little extra money. Recently, I went to Adele's site and found she had run out of bandwidth. This was unacceptable to me, so I immediately sent a donation to WNF. It wasn't much, but a couple days later Adele was back up, much to my relief.

That's how it's supposed to work. If a free site has quality cc, the community will support it with their monies when it's needed.

Sad thing is there are paysite creators who no longer play the game, they just make content for it. And then don't test it out or have a care about poly counts.

If a hair is retextured, does that lower the poly count in any way? Because pretty much all I dowload are redone hairs, and nothing has lagged the game for me. Yet.

No, retexturing has nothing to do with the mesh (the shape).  Retexturing only changes the texture (the picture that's wrapped around the mesh).  The poly ccount tells you how many polygons are in the mesh.  More polys, more time to render, bigger burden on the CPU.  Only way to reduce the poly count is to modify the mesh.  MilkShape has a poly decimator, but I would NOT recommend using it on hair meshes, Juice or otherwise.  It's not a "smart" decimator and will utterly ruin the hair.  Easiest thing to do is just make meshes low poly in the first place, rather than try to reduce an existing high poly mesh.

Poly decimator? What does it do, randomly remove 10% of the polygons and fuse the rest over them?

Poly decimators attempt to merge small groups of contiguous polygons into one polygon.  The smarter ones try to only do this in relatively flat areas (where the crease between adjoining polys is above a certain feature angle).  Use any decimator too much, especially one w/o feature angle, and you lose details, like the cow's legs below. 

Polygon Decimation
(http://wiki.blender.org/uploads/b/b1/Poly_reduce_cow.png)

The one in MilkShape removes entire strands of hair from Juice hairs, so you get this jagged mess that won't even pass for anime hair.  You can't apply it selectively to groups, so it decimates the scalp group and you get gaps.

If anyone cares, the MilkShape decimator is in Tools, DirectX tools,
use the slider, then hit the save button in the dialog box.
I believe feature angle cannot be specified, if it can, I don't see where.
It is pretty clever about maintaining a reasonable UV map.
Normals will be completely destroyed, you'll need to recompute them.
Bone weights will be nuked, you'll need to use the bone tools and/or extended manual edit.
Your morphs are NOT guaranteed to wind up with the same number of verts/polys, make new morphs.

Puts faces together reducing the polys.  I think it works on reducing the vertices - making 2 in close proximity 1.  It's just fine to use a little bit, but it can go too far and fuck a complex shape.

*Damn CatofWar ninja'd me.

Calalily, that may be, but you were pithy.  I can't do short and to the point to save my life. :D

Plus, bonus use of the word fuck - use FUCK MOAR.  :D

fuck :D

Oh fuck, Immortelle ninja'd me! ;)

Pardon my necromancy, a user at SimsCave posted an email they recieved from dear Newsea which I think you all would be interested in and this seems the revelant thread. Hope Julia does not mind me reposting this here.


Yes, you read right folks, Newsea's defence for being a paysite is that he/she has no other job and is better then free creators.

Wow. If the only way you are living is money made from things made from the sims, then there is a problem there. I do love that (s)he claims they are better than the free creators, and that free creators update "very very slow." So that is why we have tons of new stuff on MTS each day, and Adele had a new set like once a month. But really, updating slow doesn't equal bad, in most cases it equals high quality things that time was put into them, rather than something slapped together.

I'd rather someone went slow and actually produced something that didn't explode ingame or cause it to crash, then have someone just slap some shit together and call it OMG AWESOMESAUCE.

Free creators update all the time. There's always something interesting just at MTS2. It's not like people only download from ONE creator.

She's also pretending downloaders don't create. And that modifying meshes to plop into a game is sooo haaarrrdd. She's not working in a salt mine. If it's soooo haaaarrrrdd, she needs to stop. She needs to get a real job anyway.

Holy crap, what a load that is. Why in the world can't she just get a job? I mean, come on. There are so many options out there, it's not like the only thing she's good for is working at McDonald's or something. Although... ;D But, still, she can't possibly work 8 hours a day on Sims. And if she did find a 40 hour a week job, she'd still have time to work on stuff, and she'd probably still be able to post a hair once a week or so. I mean, wasn't Nouk like a nurse or something? She managed to hold a job and still take the time to make pretty, free hair meshes. Not to mention do all of her WNF duties. I just don't buy that Juice/Newsea/Whomever is really that hard up. I think she doesn't want to look for another option, and wants to be lazy. It's the whole "Why get a job when I can screw people over for money with very little effort?" kind of mentality. You know, the same mentality spewing forth from TSR and Peggy, among others. It's crap, and I truly think that if this is what she does to support a household, she's just being lazy, and possibly even narrow-minded.

I love how this pathetic young woman not only lacks in work ethic but also seems to believe that if EA gets paid than so should she.
She honestly believes that we should not complain about her making a dollar because we don;t complain about EA making one??

Someone please wake this idiot up and remind her that EA actually created the game and therefore EA should be paid  but without them creating and selling this game well Hello dumb arse you would not have a "job"
To top it off she does not feel like those creators who recolor are creators at all. i am thinking there are many who would indeed argue that point.

She and Peggy are 2 greedy peas in a pod.

From what I've read, Juice is a guy, I think. But that's debatable.

Some of that was hard to read (I take it they have some English trouble?) but I got the general message. I don't see how one can live off of making stuff for the Sims - my mom calls me obsessed because I like playing the game. Obsessed is when it's the only way you're living - seriously, it's not that hard to get a job. And there's ALWAYS something good from free creators - has Juice even checked the Ugliest Paysites thread? Some of the shit the pay people make is worse than the stuff beginner free creators make!

I agree with everyone else, slow and steady wins the race. Or in this case, makes way better CC. If it took you a few minutes, chances are it's not going to be too great unless you're a robot or something. Or it was something simple, like making untuckables.

I don't believe any of what she's spewing. Chances are if she's living off of Simming, SOMEONE has to have stepped in to say, "Ok, this is fucked up so royally I don't believe it, so you need some help with your life." Really, I think that was just a bland excuse.

Oh really? Then I must be a retarded fuckwit then because I've been trying, and failing to find work for over two years now. Sure, I get as far as the interview stage, but that's about it.  >:(

I think that depends heavily on what type of work you're looking for.  I work in the state with the highest unemployment rate of the entire country (10%, last I checked and I've heard there have been some massive layoffs since.)  Yet, without fail, where I work, we hire 2-4 people every month.  By the end of the month, they've all quit, or some have stayed and other workers who've been there longer have quit.  Yes, sometimes it's kids going on to University, but most of the time it's just a case of, "This job sucks, I'm outa here!  People regularly go to lunch or to the bathroom and never return.  Now that it's summer, we're going to get more bathroom escapes, because people won't have to worry about grabbing their jacket before they leave.  Is it a crappy job?  Yes it is.  Pays a tiny bit better than minimum wage, it's very stressful.  However, it is a job, and every time I see people whining on TV about how they can't find a job, and it isn't fair, and why can't they extend unemployment for another year, I want to smack them.  

Across the streets is a McDonalds.  Again, not glamor work, but they're looking for openings of all shifts, and all positions.  And like our work, you can work during the day or at night, and you can pretty much set your days, so there is no reason why someone couldn't work there while looking for a better job.

I understand if you were a white collar professional or skilled laborer, making significant money, that working for McDonalds or where I work would create a horrible strain, as your lifestyle probably just can't live on that.  However, a lot of the whining comes from unskilled labor.  Not too long ago, they interviewed some people using the job search at the local unemployment and one of the people interviewed worked where I did for three days, then went to lunch and never came back.  Now she's on a local cable  show, whining about how haaard it is to find a job, how she tries and tries, but no one is hiring.  

Maybe I'm cold, but I have no sympathy for this girl and when I saw her whining, I was so tempted to call the cable company where the show was and tell them about her leaving a job after three days, without notice, just leaving in the middle of her shift.  

I can't imagine Juice is making much more money than unskilled labor pays.  

I don't know your situation, uknorthener, and I'm not making light of it.  With the way you mentioned interviewing, I'm guessing that you're not exactly unskilled labor, but a professional of some sort.  I put Juices situation somewhere in the middle of anyone who does crafts for a living and a drug dealer.  In the first case, dips in business to an all out drying up happen at times, especially when money is tight.  In the case of the second, you should never depend on illegal income to survive on, because it has a habit of disappearing.  

Darqstar, I'm sorry, but you're wrong. Just because your company is hiring that doesn't mean other companies throughout the country are hiring. 2-4 people a month doesn't put much of a hole in the unemployment problem anyway. There are tons of applicants for every position, and skilled people can't get jobs at places like McDonald's because they're rejected for being overqualified. That's when the local McDonald's is hiring in the first place, which around here, they aren't. And it's not like McDonald's would pay the bills for people with houses and families anyway; they're better off on unemployment and looking for work than working for minimum wage.

Just how low are people supposed to stoop for a job, anyway? I could go dance at a topless bar and get paid well, but I am not going to do that.

Also, some companies CLAIM they're hiring, but they play games. Lots of games. Some are looking for a "particular fit", which is often business-speak for "We want a particular profile, and you're not it." For instance, the company might be looking for a man or woman, or someone under 30, but they can't actually SAY that because they'll get their panties sued off, so they use the "perfect fit" bullcrap. Some companies are scouting out prospects "just in case". They're bidding on a job, and they want to see the talent out there. But they don't get the job, or someone wants that "perfect fit" for that job, and there you are at Square One again. Some companies ARE hiring, but with your luck, the hiring committee happens to dislike overweight men with red hair because they remind them of someone, and surprise! You're an overweight man with red hair. Too bad for you.

My husband was out of work for five years, and I can definitely say that NO one worked harder than he to get a sustainable job. We just about saw it all, including the hiring clowns mentioned above. Often. Way, way too often.

The only advice I can offer to anyone out of work is that unfortunately, you might have to be really flexible in this economy. You may have to work in another area far from your home, or in another country. Many of these countries, unfortunately, ain't exactly tourist attractions. And even if you're willing to do that, you might have a hard time finding something. I truly hope that anyone seeking sustainable employment finds something soon. To use an old expression, poverty sucks.

As for the retail/food service trade ... we both worked in that field to survive. Back in the olden days, you HAD more leeway in setting your hours. (I worked in retail back in the 90's and again, about 8 - 9 years later.) Now, these companies demand "flexibility". They want you available any time, any day, and schedules vary all over the place from week to week. You often can no longer say that you can work from 5PM to 10PM on any day but Monday and expect to be hired. When I worked for a particular company, I had informed them that I could work any day, almost any time, except between 8 and 9 AM and 2 and 3 PM on school days, and I got a lot of grief for that. And that was for a part-time job! I did get hired, and worked there for a while, though the company constantly "forgot" I listed those times and attempted to schedule me to work during them, no matter how often I mentioned them. But from what I'm seeing, some retail companies are even more picky about availability now.

It's not impossible to get a job, but it can be darn hard.

OK, what the heck is a pixel flower?  And why is EA one or not one?

Wow, nice to know you equate what I do to survive with topless dancing.  Fuck you.

@ Darqstar: All my previous roles have been either minimum wage, or a salary not too far removed from it - these are office job involving a lot of typing, presentation-reparing and fielding a lot of abuse from pissed-off people. If £14k a year is big bucks, then why couldn't I even afford to move out of my parents' home? Hell, the two jobs I've recently been interviewed for (and a third next week) are only paying 1,000 more, and once tax and National Insurance are taken out of that (along with travel costs), I'll come away with about £9,000 - barely enough to pay rent (average rent in Manchester is £350-£600pm, not including utilities and insurance), let alone food. In other words, although I'm earning - as long as my parents don't kick me out, or sell the home, I'll be ok in the short term, but in no way would I be in a position to lead an independent life.

The fact is, here in the UK, wages are low. They've always been low. Minumum wage is shockingly poor - It's supposed to be a livable wage yet it doesn't even come close. it is actually more beneficial for a person claiming Jobseeker's Allowance to sit on their arse all week instead of taking on temporary work, because when you factor in daily travel expenses and lunch, you don't get a great deal out of the £40 you come away with, especially after it's all been taxed. I'm not on JA, but I was last year and it sucked - I came off it because 1) the Job Centre staff couldn't give a fuck about finding me a proper job and expected me to travel from Manchester to London for a minimum-wage telesales gig and 2) Depression set in fast and I felt completely worthless.

I could work at MacDonald's - except, around here, rather than hiring new staff, they've just laid a load off. It seems that with the economy as fucked as it is, even going to MacDonald's is seen as extravagant at the moment.

Growing up, I was fed a load of crap about going to college and university, about how it would open up the best jobs and the rest of it. The reality? I'm five years behind my fellow classmates who left high school and worked in MacDonalds and are now managers and supervisors in other companies. All I have is a giant student loan.

I used to slag off the unemployed all the time. Now that I've been there, it's given me a whole different outlook on life, and throwaway comments from people like Austere, i.e. people who are in work and have nothing to worry about simply piss me off now.



Unfortunately, if I go topless, I think I'd end up scaring the punters away!  :D



I've seen this sort of stuff first-hand too. One job interview I went to a couple of weeks back had a roleplaying session that had nothing whatsoever to do with the job. It seemed that the interviewers simply viewed us desperate jobseekers as some form of entertainment.


Not really an option in the UK. The whole country is in dire straits, and the further south you go, the more expensive it becomes just to survive, and I can't speak any other language than English (and a bit of Welsh) so going over to Europe's out of the question - Plus, there's no jobs over there either.


On most days, it really does seem impossible though.

In the last interview I went to (last Friday for a university), I asked how many applications they'd received. Around 800. THAT's how bad things are around here. :(

Well, shit that does suck and yeah, for the type of work you do, that's probably the hardest hit, which is why I got out of office work.  It seemed like every time there were cutbacks, all that happened was middle management fought to keep their job by sacking everyone below them they could get away with, and piling 9 times the work onto the few lower downs that they were able to keep.   



We have similar situations here.  I don't fault anyone who collects unemployment, or TDI, that's what it's there for (TDI you pay into the system yourself, so all you really get is your own money back)  The whole idea is that it's survival money while you look. 


Oddly, the Burger King across the street doesn't need any help,  but the McDonalds needs all shifts, the Subway needs night help, the Wendy's day help.  Some of that, I'm sure is Summer is here and mom's working to stretch the household budget will now take the summer off to be with their kids, but the college kids aren't flooding into the market, which is what usually happens.

And, as I said, we're still looking.  And yes, 2-4 people a month doesn't seem like much, but that's all the people who are applying for the job.  We'd love to take on about 10 new people, which again, isn't going to save the state, but it's rather ironic that we can't get ten people to work the job and stick around, we can't even get ten applications a month.  Where my husband works (Same company, different branch) they need about 15 people for various shifts, and they just aren't getting the applications.  And yes, it's a lousy job, but you do get medical insurance.  Terrible insurance for part timers, but it's absolutely free.  Full timers pay 10 dollars a week for better coverage.  You'd think that alone would bring people in who are unskilled labor.


I don't know how unemployment works where you're from. Around here, it isn't welfare.  Companies pay into the system on the idea that if something terrible happens, people aren't starving in the streets while they try to find work.  And it's perfectly understandable if someone can make 400 dollars a week on unemployment that it's better to be on it, than to make 300 dollars at my job, and not have time to go looking.  However, the people we hire that end up quitting are usually people who are unqualified to even run a copy machine.  It is not skilled labor. It's honest work, don't get me wrong, but it isn't rocket science and the people who apply are not rocket scientists.


Just to clear it up, I wasn't talking about you.  Again, you're more skilled than what we're getting.  Maybe skilled isn't the right word... polished might be better.  The people I work with and that we hire are not people you'd put in an office situation, unless you wanted to find your receptionist or data entry person, on the phone with the higher ups talking about the state of her vagina or other such interesting facts. 

However, again, in the case of Juice claiming s/h/it needs to make Sims stuff because it's all they can do for work, I'm not buying it and I'm not very sympathetic.  I'd love to stay home and sit behind my computer all day making money by creating. I think a lot of us would love to do that, but we don't. We're either homemakers, or searching for a job, or working, or students.  Just because the economy does suck, doesn't give people a free ride to open up a paysite, or do anything even remotely illegal to survive. 

I also work in retail/food industry (it's an odd little mixture of both) and when my company gets a job opening for the lowest possible position, we get insane amounts of applications.
They've also started demanding flexibility in schedules for full time workers. They put it like this- if you're not available all the times we're open (which is 8 am to 11pm on weekdays, midnight on weekends), then they aren't going to schedule you full time, just part time. That comes down from corporate. I have a second job in which I have to work weekends, so I can't work weekends in the retail job. You should see the amount of hell I get for that.

I didn't mean it that way, uknortherner. I was saying that if a person can live off of making money from Sims CC, then it shouldn't be too hard for them to get a job. I wasn't trying to be rude to the unemployed. Yes, it is hard to get a job and I know that. But it sounds as if Juice isn't actually trying to make a living in some other profession - that's when it is pretty easy to get some type of job, even if it's a gas station attendant or something. Sorry if I worded something wrong...

Funnily enough, a friend of mine just quoted me an example of that from the Bungie (http://www.bungie.net/Inside/jobs.aspx#job19234) website.  What he quoted to me from is this:  At least seven level 80 WoW characters, Prestige'd eight times in CoD4, 9000+ Twitter Followers, 10k+ Gamerscore, 100% Positive Feedback on eBay [and you're a Power Seller], and no more than five McFarlane toys on your desk.

Uh. I have no idea what you do to survive. Nor do I equate it with topless dancing, which actually I don't think is a rotten choice for everyone, but it would be for ME. Fuck you right back for assuming so fucking much.

 If there are no jobs where he/she/ it lives there are many other things over the computer that she/he/it could do to support themselves- licking envelopes for businesses, selling shit on Ebay, writing and editing papers for college students in whatever their native language is, taking a course in medical billing and doing that freelance over the internet ( one of my closest meat life friends does this - works damn hard but can afford to pay the bills and maintain her independence), etc- When they get it - EA gets money because they are first, a Gaming Software company with (somewhat) trained professional programmers and graphics designers- not a amateur CC creator - who figured out how to use Milkshape six months ago (this describes me except learning now- but Sailfin Sims is a FREE site as is S2A) - Which means for those who choose to purchase the games legally and/or new- EA minimally (and I mean really minimally e.g. Suckurom etc) earns the money- If I want badly meshed hair and fugly clothes - I will just remove my downloads file rather than buy stuff from any paysite

I love the 100% positive feedback on eBay. That's great.

They actually seem like pretty cool people over there. It's probably a great place to work. I got Ubisoft in my neighbourhood. It's kinda nice to have them close at hand, lol

I liked Newsea, I'm saddened (but not surprised) they went pay.

Actually, this is a really good point. I once had a part-time job at a place whose policy it was to reply "We're always hiring" when asked, when in fact it was usually a downright lie. More often than not, we already had way too many people on staff and not enough hours for the people already working there. People would come in for multiple interviews and even take tests (yes, this job made you jump through hoops for a minimum-wage, part-time job), when in fact there weren't even any positions available. Don't ask me what this accomplished.

Not that I think this justifies becoming a paysite, however. To me, it's not unlike any other illegal activity: I may have sympathy with the circumstances that lead people to get there, but that doesn't make it any less illegal.

The only thing I can think of that would accomplish would be most cost to the company. I mean, they have to pay people to give the interviews and they have to pay to make the tests and give them.

??? Other than amusing sadistic HR people, maybe it was a way to "trade up" in employees?  Find someone "better" and fire a current employee, then give the new person their job?  Maybe even for less pay?

Or sniff out potential rivals, see if they need to up they're game, my sister went through some thing similar for the company that did rune scape.

*Shrugs* Say what you want, but our company IS hiring.  We had two people quit this week.  Wanna know how many applicants were waiting?  Zip, zero, nada.   None came in to apply, none applied on the website. 

Our business has increased.  Last summer, we'd be well done with the order packing by 1:00 p.m. at the latest.  Now we're lucky if we're done by 3:00.  This Monday I worked until 5:30.  Monday before, I worked until 4:00.  I think the earliest I've been out of there on a Monday is 3:30 this summer. 

My husband works for the same company, different location, different job.   The store manager told them that if they knew anyone who wanted a job, they could just bring them in to start work that night, all they would need is a ss or work visa.  No jumping through hoops, no drug tests like before.  Instead, you agree that if they want you to take a drug test, you'll go willingly.  And, as of yet, no one has come in and started working.  In their HD department, the crew boss has been working with a broken arm and a broken hand because they're that desperate, that it's worth it to pay him his wage for doing almost no work, because he just can't do it.  And it's not even a case of, "Well, they want to avoid paying workman's comp" because the accident happened off work.  They wouldn't have to pay him anything to sit at home and heal.

They also upped the pay to start from minimum wage to ten bucks and hour.  Plus, you get extra money for working 3rd shift.  Again, it's a tough job and few people like it, but again, it does provide health insurance.  And, the hours are flexible enough so if you just needed a job to keep you going/allow you to stretch out your unemployment benefits until you are working again, it isn't such a bad choice. 

Again, I understand that if you're a professional, used to making an income above 80K a year, you're not going to want to do a job like that, however, I also remember when the economy tanked in the early '80s, I was waitressing and we had people who were college educated, who had worked in various professional jobs, coming and and applying to be waitresses, hostesses, and dishwashers. 

Jobs that say they are hiring, but don't are out there.  But, at least where I'm working, we could use more people.  Husband and I are taking some time off next week for various reasons.  Previous two summers, my boss was cheering when I said I was going away, because it saved on payroll.  This year, I was asked several times if I really was sure I wanted to take vacation, especially on Monday, that I could work on Monday and then have the rest of the week off, blah blah blah.  Joking, I said, "Gimmie 250 dollars, cash money and allow me to leave at 4:00, no matter what and I'll do it."  My boss said, "If I had that much in petty cash I'd do it." 

So, the economy is sending some pretty mixed up signals as far as I'm concerned.  If things are really as horrible as everyone is saying, why aren't we swimming in applicants?  Why does the manager at my husband's branch been begging people to get their friends in to work? 

Makes me wish we lived out your way, that's for sure. I could get my husband out of the smelly line of work he's in! :D

A lot of americans aren't willing to do 'those jobs' anymore.  As a country I think we've gotten too proud - me?  I'd wait tables right now, if I thought I could manage it....but my health is not quite up to doing even a four hour shift on my feet.

So, what company is this?  I'd do it, if it didn't require moving several thousand miles...

Do you live in New England or along the East Coast?

Nope.  Indiana. 

Aw, sorry about your feet. :(  Could you do something like medical records transcription, or book flights for JetBlue?  Both of those let you work at a computer, from home.

Well, its more my knees - and I can do data entry type work, just have never been able to get anything beyond food service jobs.  Couldn't even break into retail O.o

Check to see if there are any document imaging places near you. I worked at a place that did microfilm, microfische and digital scanning of all kinds of documents. It's a sit-down job, so it's not hard on the legs. It's a simple enough job that almost anyone can do, but still interesting enough to keep you awake. They'll usually hire anyone 16 and over.

The place I worked for had me filming realistate, medical, and financial documents. Plus other various smaller accounts like Coca-Cola. Sometimes a special account would come in and you'd have to sign a secrecy waiver, saying that you won't discuss details of what you're filming/scanning. I always felt a little bit like a spy doing those jobs. I can tell you that I filmed the official architect's version of the blueprints for Bill Gates' house, but I can't tell you what I saw in them because I signed a waiver. I wouldn't want to make Mr.Gates angry.

Also, I'm a night person and they had a night shift with only about 6 of us working there. So we had a pretty tight night crew. It was actually fun.

Anyway, just a thought. I've had many many jobs, but none worked out as well for me as that one.

Hah. I live in MA. I'm sure I could give this info to someone who's looking for a job. :)

Call centers are pretty decent work.

HEY! Maybe Juice could try that! Oh Em Eff Gee!

Sorry, making CC is not a job. Fail.

The job I lost a year ago was for a telemarketing firm.  I was pretty decent at it.  But our office was the smallest, the lease was up, and the firm had just lost a huge program so our office was the first one axed. 

Too bad, it was the one place in town anyone could get a job if they were willing to actually show up and do the work.

Ouch, that sucks, Scurvy. :(

I'm interviewing for a job in about an hour at a mail order costume supply place.  It's going to be about 70 hours a week during October, so I might disappear for a while.  We'll see what happens with the "aptitude test" I have to take.  And if they can live with the fact that the Spousal Unit and I have non-refundable airline tickets and memberships for a week long conference the end of Sept. beginning of Oct.

Message me if you want the info.  Since I've badmouthed the place before, I don't want to mention it.  But the place my husband works is in Mass and I work in RI, very close to the mass boarder.

Job interview went well.  Did well on the aptitude test, but they have a lot of qualified candidates.  Said they'd get back to either way.  Fingers crossed.

This thread my be months old but this bit of news from Redikolous @ GOS is something that needs highlighting - Newsea takes a leaf out of TSR's book and releases names of suspected file sharers.

http://hi.baidu.com/juiceshine

Notice how she/he uses * to try and 'not' completely give out their names...

What a stupid piece of walking shit s/h/e is...

Read somewhere that Juice is actually a male and Yuu is a girl. Not sure if that's true, but whatever.

This just makes me grumpy because Sims 2 is not a freaking BUSINESS. It's just a fucking game whether you like it or not.

If they want it to be a business and get paid for their hairs then they need to apply for a job at https://jobs.ea.com/ (https://jobs.ea.com/). Of course even EA won't hire them for their hairs because even EA's hairs are better than Newsea/Peggy/Roses borked up gappy meshes and fugly textures.

I don't even know what to call the issue I've seen with most newsea hairs. I'll download one of them from the booty and see if I can screenshot the mess it becomes. Maybe someone can explain it to me.

Because of that mess I always stick with conversions people like Savio and Bosie have done. They always are awesome, where newsea's have this.. issue.

As for the hate list, I mentioned that at MS3B, and people really freaked out over that. I think I may have cost them a few more customers.  8)

Edit:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v473/celticnormanfury/lizspics/Sims%20Stuffs/Screenshot.jpg?t=1258077148)
This is what I was talking about. Sometimes it's more obvious than other times, but almost every newsea mesh that I've looked at when in game has these faults.

The first names Juice has put up have been there for about half a year now, and you only just recognize that they are up?
The first three names on that list are names from Simscave members Juice caught.

The complete list is hidden at the site that lists all donation items for Sims 2 and 3. For now Juice has collected 11 names, 8 of them caught since Sims 3 was released.