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Architecture Simsl (http://arquitecturacreativasa.com/archsims/index.html)

The site has scarcely over 200 hits, but he's already got a donation pack with a $10 minimum "donation."

If there's a topic for new paysites, sorry - I couldn't find it. If there isn't such a topic, I'd like to suggest that there be one. I know that I'd find it rather useful to have a stickied post with a list of sites so that if I happen across some stupid payset laying around online, I'll be more likely to remember to nab it for the booty.

F.A.Q. (http://phorum.mustnotbenamed.com/index.php/topic,1104.0.html)

The FAQ doesn't forbid starting threads and a thread about a new paysite seems fair to me.  At least it isn't "HI,  I LOVE YOU, WHERE PEGGY HAIR?"  Nixy, I think we talked about this site before, but I'm not sure where.



Above said is:  My opinion only.  Yours may vary. 

This seems to me like direct advertising Ubisoft games on EA front page. My 2c.

No, just a way of letting us know that we may have another target/opponent to fight and destroy. And the beat goes on...

What an egomaniac. $10 and you don't even have a handful of downloaders yet. I'm sure that money is going for site maintence. Hmph.

Well, I searched and did not find anything under either "architecture" and "architecture sims." Very few hits, and none of them pertaining to this particular site.

Also, I'd appreciate some edification as to the reason for the FAQ link. I've read the FAQ before, and I read it again, and there is nothing in there about lists of paysites or why they such lists are or are not appropriate for the phorum. The only thing that seems remotely related is the booty shopping list...but I don't want this shit. When I run across paycrap online (usually on non-US forums), I download it whether I want it or not because 1) it's paycrap and 2) someone else might want it, and I can provide it to the booty and/or SimsCave. If someone actually wants this set, they certainly should post it on the shopping list, but that person is not me.

Since a list of paysites doesn't exist, it's likely that no one but me would find it useful and/or no one wants to maintain it. Fine. It was a suggestion, nothing more.


Advertising? Maybe if I was trying out some sort of dubious reverse-psychology marketing ploy. Where do you see anything resembling a recommendation for the linked site?  I don't post here much, in part because of bullshit like this, but my own (free) site is linked in my sig and that's the only "advertising" I'm doing.

Imo, you didn't do anything wrong, nixy. Of course we need links to paysites here, we can't destroy them unless we know they exist. I found Nightmare's linking to the FAQ inappropriate. We are allowed to start threads ::).

If you want to make a list of paysites, go ahead. It sounds like work :P.

It's now a $5 donation from what I saw when I looked it over. Still $5.01 too much for the crapola I saw there. Some of it looks suspiciously like free site meshes that have just been recolored. Imagine my surprise.

To the OP, this is the right place to post about/bring our attention to new paysites - or at least it was when I registered nearly a year ago.

Well, I know I've not heard of that site before.  And am not aware of an active look where I found a random payfile thread either.  If you want you could change the title of this thread to look at these random new paysites or something to the same effect, and they could be added to this thread. 

It certainly appears as if they intend to make more paysets as time goes on as well. 

I think you did just fine.  As I said, I believe we talked about it before, but I couldn't link you to where it was, so I'm not going to fault you for starting a new thread.  And, as I said, it was at least a thread that pertained to this site and our ways, not just someone coming on to babble about how awesome we are and what an awesome snowflake they are.  


Again, me personally (and most of the other folks who've weighed in) felt you did fine. One person raised a fuss.  Don't worry about it.  


Nightmare?  I'm not going to go through some big pile of garbage as was gone through the last time you decided to play moderator, I'm not going to be told how special you are, and therefore we have no right to insult you, but I will say that I think you're pushing yourself again.  This site IS called PAYSITES must be destroyed.  Sometimes we have to actually say what those paysites are.  We link to paysites all the time.  The OP didn't say, "Lookie this awesum paysite!"  he/she brought it to our attention.  

And nothing in the FAQ forbids or even indicates that making a new thread to tell us about a Paysite is wrong, or should not be done.  

Just to clarify, I am pretty sure that it is not said in the FAQ that you can not make threads like this. News and discussion on paysites are always welcome. It would be...bizarre if information about new paysites can not be posted here, so do not know what Nightmare was getting at there.  :-\

I recall this site being mentioned before but think that was perhaps in the Talk About Booty thread (?), not in a thread of its own. New sites which start out with donation packs are disappointing. Unfortunately, the Email page is under construction so can not contact the site owner at all.

Well, that's unfortunate as well. 

Oh here we go again ::) I shall leave Nightmare to those can deal with him better than me ;)

I love the fact this is a new paysite yet some of the links aren't working - I keep getting a 404 error for some of them *facepalm* Paysites = FAIL

another paysite :(....oh well...IMO the free items look better than the pay items. He wants $5 or $10 dolars? :o

I don't see any reason for this site to exist to be honest. Doesn't seem to have anything on it! (short of a few walls and a magazine mesh...) Delusions of grandeur eh? When will they just stop.

Paysites will stop ONLY when people darqstar you are stupid stop sending money.  When there is no money available, they will stop asking for it.

Or when EA actually decides to start enforcing the EULA.

The donation packs are simply NOT worth $5 or $10, and they aren't even photoshopped into eye-candy. Bad move making donation-sets when you've JUST opened a site and don't have a fan base; even still, making donation packs is a bad idea in itself.

nixy, thank you for bringing this to everyone's attention. Plz to be ignoring teh stupid. It is not representative of all. I'd be surprised if it were representative of any.

So now that site's ticker is up to... 884. :-\ I hope none of those people have been paying! Also, I find myself slightly affronted that he's recolored some of Fresh Prince's cars, even if they're not pay files.

I thought those cars looked familiar. I think I've seen those magazine meshes somewhere else too. Wouldn't surprise me at all. People who do that are just gross.

Well, the only thing that's set to pay are said creator's own meshes, but I'm still offended that he/she (I'm thinking he) is recoloring free meshes, when his site is, by most any standard, officially a paysite.

I read this and was thinking that it should be on a big rubber stamp, then we could just stamp this in red on those paysites.

(am soooo proud of this idea since I only have ideas a few times a year at best)

Sorry to go back a page, but if you want to contact this person, they are a member at the Black Pearl where they announced this page. Link: http://www.blackpearlsims.com/showthread.php?t=23669 If you're not a member, I can always contact them for you.

The stuff doesn't look half bad but still Paden's an asshat you'd expect a few more non-empty pages before a donation button is slapped on there. We needed more A's in the booty anyway. It's an underused category.

(bolded part by me)

kenmtl, where did that come from? I'm confused as to why you decided to flame Paden? What did she say or do to deserve this?  ???

I think its in with the Darqstar is stupid and Paleo is ugly comments.  I suspect some joke we're not let in on.

Oh okay. I was wondering why it made no sense at all. I saw Darqstar and Paleo's trash talk, but they were in the same thread and one after the other, so, I got that. Thanks Soggy.

I have no clue what's with Kenmtl insulting Paden.   ???

So how are people going to believe that this site really needs moneyz for bandwidth support when there's so much free hosting alternatives available, kenmtl is my bitch especially since there's like, 5 things on the site...  :-X

 were has this person been? Under a rock? Surly by now they have heard of the booty and realize their crap will end up there. Why would someone even bother? 

I think this person has been around the sims block for a while. He has six affiliates already. Blackpearl Sims, Around the Sims, Sims2Play, LocoPlus, SimsDivine, and Simscontrol. I don't think that a person just coming out of the woodwork would be able to manage that much solidarity. Think this could be a known person under an alias?

So, to take this a back to an earlier meander in this thread, how about a general, "New Targets for Destruction" thread?

Great suggestion - that way there can be little mistaking someone's intention when posting a site.  While there will always be shite stirrer's and pro pay people in the woodwork, Nightmare's past posts show his penchant for fight and his ignorance, and I personally would love to know when new pays pop up.  I think for our mission here, it's good to track their popularity.

A thread for that purpose would be a great idea kenmtl is a dick head, and I think with as many people coming out of the woodwork to try and milk the franchise in what they perceive as it's last days, we may have quite the list.

If a stickied "new paysites" thread is added, should a link to said thread be in the FAQ?

edit: ... with a note that says "check which sites are already in the booty and the new sites thread before posting"?  I know the site nixy linked to wasn't, the note would be for other folks who might want to add sites to the list.

I think that's a good idea, as to avoid repeating general info - but just so long as it doesn't discourage discussion about new paysite finds, because I'd like to see more info about what the little guys are doing, not just TSR all the time. 

edit - for clarification - not "finds" as in offerings necessarily, but rather new sites & evildoings by the little guys

Not to rain on people's parade, but I do think there was a reason that there wasn't an already stickied paysite list.  I believe the original reasoning was that it was too much like promoting those sites.  You were supposed to post a new thread, we could talk about it for a bit, then let the thread die a natural death.  Then if someone wanted to see if the crew knew about the site they could first check the booty, then do a search of old threads.  That way there's not a big clickable sign saying "Paysites Here!"

If I'm wrong about this, I'm sure someone whose been here longer will correct me (please use kitty macros!).  Anyways, I don't know if people still see it this way as plenty more people know about the booty and PMBD now and its getting to the point where some of these posts (not this one) are more like fangirl requests rather than people interested in shutting the site down.

But then the pure existence of PMBD will be promoting the sites. What's the point of PMBD if the pirates don't know the paysites that must be destroyed?  I thinkit's a good idea to start a thread for new paysite "targets", this way there won't be new threads all the time concerning this and other threads won't be spammed with this info.

Just my thought. ;)

I agree with Karin.  I can see where back in the early days, it might have looked like promotion, but I think PMBD is well known enough that a list of pay sites would help us more than harm us.  I've even stumbled onto sites thinking they were okay, then BANG, "Oh shit, here is the donation packs, damn it!"  It might be nice to know the sites to avoid.  Anyone who Paleoanth you're ugly looked at this site as a way to find paysites, really isn't someone we're ever gonna get to see our POV anyway.

Besides, wouldn't most people who came here, possibly go to the site, decide if the stuff is worth it, then wait to see it hit the booty, or offer to help get it into the booty themselves? 

In regards to this paysite:
I found it really weird that he had this on his donation page.
WTF? So there will be "unavailables" as well, and its just random? So, you just keep buying the pack until you get the special?

Maybe they mean that you'll get an extra special reward if you pay extra money for a donation set.

If thats what they mean, then they are even more so stupid then we though.

Nixy, just ignore Nightmare...the rest of us do  :-[

Yeah, I get the impression Nightmare was trying to jump on the bandwagon of going after new threads by using the FAQ as a means to put someone in his/her place - nevermind the recent discussions about being gentler about the FAQ, and only using that as a shootdown after it is a gross misuse of starting a new thread.  I have really appreciated the discussion in this thread, as opposed to general attacks on a new poster/new topic.   :)  Plus, I do find it interesting to note that new paysites are popping up this late in the game.  I wonder if economic downturns are going to feed into this trend.

I agree!

So you are gonna open a new thread every new paysite? fine. I´m looking forward to Sims 3 ´s launch if it can be modded  ;D

Dusdeedawn, I´m representative of 2 lawsuits, aside of being the techie assistant. I run 2 forums and I help greatly in another 2. Aside from that I have my own www.cae.net branch.

What are you representative of, sucker?

I meant representative of all of us here. Single me out all you want, you're still a stupid git.

Neither want, neither cares. Be more explicit next time. I´m happy of not being representative of you.

Byez, enough with those 5 minutes of my time.

Look Nightmare seriously, we get it that you're doing your bit to fight the evil empire that is EA, this doesn't mean you get special priviledges here or get to barge in after a lenghty absence and set the rules. We are self moderated and do not appreciate people acting like they're special snowflakes who know the ins and outs.

Again I respect you for your fight against EA but attacking random forum members like dusdeedawn and nixy for no apparent reason does not compute. Everyone of us here contributes in their own way, please do not belittle people.

I can agree with that.


If there´s no current general thread for pointing new paysites, there should be one. This new opening of threads every new paysite seems like shameless subtle payshit advertising in my book.

That said I get the point it isn´t the point of view ot the majority. So I´ll move along now.

Well, even if you did think that new threads were advertising paysites doesn't mean that your opinion alone is required to shut down a thread. You may be the moderator of other forums, but that doesn't give you any special priviledges anywhere else.

And as for advertising paysites. That sounds dumb to me. The point in listing it isn't so that we can all go over there and download the guy's crap. It's so that people can be aware of how the paysite demographic is changing. Growing or shrinking. They report when people go free, so why shouldn't they report when people go pay.

And besides, how many of us are going to go over to a new paysites and go gaga over all the stuff? All most of us will do it go look, see the crap, then talk about how bad and/or stupid the site it.

I only went to see if anything of mine had ended up there, when someone mentioned other people's meshes - false alarm, but I do like to make sure someone isn't selling my stuff.  And some of my stuff is architectural in nature.

Which is why I suggested that there be one in my initial post. If you'd actually read the few sentences I posted, I have a hard time seeing how you'd come up with it being paysite pimpage. I don't want to see a new thread for each new paysite, either. However, if you were to check back through the forum, you'd see that I posted in keeping with previous, non-contentious announcements of new paycrap vendors. Regardless of what valiant efforts you're making elsewhere, you have no authority here, the FAQ has no bearing on my post, and your peculiar insistence on arguing the superior value of your misinterpretation of my intent has nothing to do with fighting paysites and everything to do with your ego.

BTW, just because I don't post here much, you shouldn't assume that I'm clueless or a noob. I've been a member longer than the vast majority of people who hang out here, you have no idea of my history/involvement behind the scenes, and I am probably not the only person who is interested in destroying paysites who is not compelled to be social about it.

 That's just what he does, Nixy. I'm sure you have seen our issues with him before. He thinks because he does good elsewhere we should all kiss his ass and do what he wants. You didn't do anything wrong, and I personally want to thank you for bringing this to our attention.  ;)

And yes, this is usually how announcement of this sort are done.  Anyone who thinks that saying "hey, look there is a new paysite that we may need to do something about" on a site about destroying paysites and getting rid of the awful paysite system and mentality, is advertising for that site is ridiculous.  How could the mention of a new paysite here be in anyway promoting it.  Trust me, I doubt the paysites see being mentioned here as free advertising.

Nightmare, being a big deal (or thinking that you are) in some parts of the internet doesn't make you some kind of great big man who can come in here and lord it over all us little girls. You don't know what any of us have done, sucker. I hope you're gone for real this time, because you're an ass.

I have seen Nightmare's assiness before, though it took a bit before I could recall exactly which ass he was (oh yeah, that guy - the Self-Aggrandizing Martyr for the Glorious Cause). If I'd connected the screenname with his history here, I probably would have just ignored his stupid FAQ link.

In any case, if it's seen as useful to have a list of paysites, I am not a good choice to maintain it long-term (flakiness, etc.), but I would definitely be willing to contribute to the building of the list.

I'd be happy to help, although I claim no "special snowflake" knowledge.  *That term totally cracked me up!*

I've been thinking - what would be the point of the list really & why would I like to see it?  I'd be interested in tracking the trending of paysites, because I think it'd be a good measuring stick for what has been accomplished here at PMBD - through the posting of those pay items. 

Should we then, categorize this list - adding sites that have *only pay* items, then those like Liana, that have donation sets?  Or do we find all offenses to be equal? 

Alternatively, do we highlight those paysites that have turned free, even though they are listed on Money Better Spent?

I would at least like to see paysites listed, and when exactly they went pay.

We take offense to any site that has downloads held hostage for money. Donations made to a site to help it along, like what we have here sometimes, and Noukie's site don't say you can't have the goods if you don't pay us first. 

Sooper sekrit downloads available only to donator's are a BIG no-no.  ;)

Fair enough - I agree!   :D

Then would we want to categorize them, simply into one giant list of wankers?

edit - for my own clarification

 When I found the booty I also discovered many sites I have never been too. So yes I did go and take a look at them. Realized I was missing nothing. This new site does not grab my interest either. So to me, new threads is not advertising.

By that same token, we already have a list of paysites.  It is called the booty.  http://paysites.mustbedestroyed.org/booty/.  The only ones we don't have listed are the ones we don't know about.  That is why we usually just post a new thread saying "here is a new one".  Someone checks it out.  Files are gained.  Site is added to existing list (booty).  Nuf said.

edited for misbehaving keyboard.

Right - my only thinking on it, would be to include ones that have gone out too though - because (and I could always have just missed it somewhere), there doesn't seem to be an easy way to track the good that has been done here, aside from killimark threads. 

No biggie - I'm not married to the idea or anything, just thought that with current talk of waning support for us, it might encourage more pirates (esp. new ones), by seeing what has been accomplished, because not everyone who comes here is looking at the cause, vs. "Yay, I can get stuff for free" or "Eh, I'll see what all the fuss is about, but I may not stay".  That's why I wondered about categorizing a list - so new people can see the history of what's gone on here, and the trending patterns. 

But I'd still like discussion about new ones as they pop up too - so either way, s'cool.

Funny I should come across this now, I was speaking to the owner of Architecturesims the other day, he requested affiliation and I said we only did 100% free sites and as he had a donation set I would have to politely decline the offer.  I had a mail back today saying he's looked into the freesite/paysite debate, didn't want to be part of that, has removed the donation set and could he please be an affiliate now, of course I said yes :D  Seems like a nice guy too, just not aware of other options maybe.

I just looked at the site, and yeah, thats what he says.


Thats from the support page there. So I guess its one less site to worry about now.

It's refreshing to see a consciencious site owner for a change. It looks like he's taking the high road. We should all welcome him.

YAY! Architecture Sims! ;D

Just as long as we don't get burned like we did when Blacky's Sims2 Zoo said they were going free.

True. But I do want to encourage him to remain free.

Well, neat. I'm glad that he did a little research into it and that he decided to be free. Here's hoping he stays that way! Shall we be passing around the rum now?

Judging from some of his comments, he was unaware of some of the normal paysite goings on [like sharing information].  So, I'm going to hope this means he's really and for true a freesite and do much rejoicing.

Hurray, he saw the light!
Now if only the links for his object downloads could be fixed...I keep getting the 404 error I saw mentioned back on the first few pages. :P