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 I know! New topic! Don't shoot we are all suppose to be nicer remember! lol

Ea made a statement today over in the BBS . I was trying to upload a screen shot but photobucket is being a turd so I will copy it for now for those of you who do not have an account there.


Author:      MaxoidDrea - Rank: Esteemed Personage of Prolixity - View MySimPage                 Profile
Date:     Mar-02-09 12:41 PM GMT
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Clarification - End User License Agreement, plz read

Hi everyone,
Over the past several months, we’ve received questions about the End User License Agreement (EULA) that is in our games for The Sims 2 regarding custom content. Below is a statement from our Sims team. While there is no change to our End User License Agreement, we hope this clears up any confusion you might have regarding the EULA.
Thanks,
-MaxoidDrea

The Sims celebrates creativity, humor, and community. We strive to provide players with tools that enable them to customize and personalize their game experience. We are proud that so many of The Sims and The Sims 2 players create their own art for the games and share it with others. Sharing art online is a hobby that involves an investment of time, energy and money. Whether players choose to share their original artistic creations with the community is up to them: some custom content creators design work for a fee; some host their works on sites that organize, store and serve an enormous amount of content for subscribers; some artists request donations; and some artists allow all players to download their creations for free. These artists set their own terms for how they want to share their talents with the community at large. Those terms should be respected by other players.

As I said before, it's a bunch of nothing. No one is even named, it's just the "Sims team". Until EA's lawyers start saying they're perfectly fine with people reverse engineering the game and profiting thereby, it doesn't matter.

Even if they were to say that, of course (which I really don't see happening), I'd have my own opinion on the matter, and it wouldn't change.

MaxoidDrea made a statement. If EA wants to make a statement they need to change the EULA.

Keirra pretty much said what what I was going to say. This is informally stating the exact state of affairs...nothing solidified or new. *eye roll @ maxoid*

in other words:
Our EULA hasn't changed, but whomever decides to ignore it and do things that are expressly forbidden in our EULA, shall earn and deserve our respect and gratitude. We like it when people show complete contempt for our previoulsy stated policies.

Uhuh, make a new EULA and then put it in a new Sims 2 game so that we all have to agree to it before we use the game.  

I'm pretty sure we all agreed to "non-commercial", so what does the "sims team" even have to do with it?  For all we know the sims team could br Drea and her mates Steve and Thoma$$!

"Should" isn't legally binding is it?

About as binding as "play nice". Besides, I can think of a lot of reasons why I "should not" agree with them.

Actually, I find this stupid "statement" seriously insulting. These non-named people (who may be in MaxoidDrea's head) are not part of the community, and have never tried to be. Telling their customers what they "should" do about this is really disrespectful. But then, this is EA, which appears to be trying first-hand to see exactly what lies at the center of the earth. There is nothing so low that they won't sink to it.

Most excellent point, Jonesi.

If they think we should respect others TOU then they need to close down the exchange... that is the biggest file sharing site in the business if you ask me! lol  Peggys newest donation hair was all over the place today!

So, EA are allowing users to not go by the EULA? Does that mean that they also don't mind players who ARRR their games? As that is pretty much going against their rules too.

(I appologise if this is crappy writing, I don't have my glasses on because I have hair dye in)

She is basically saying they don't care if we violate the EULA.

Maxoid Drea makes me laugh.  ;D

I just realized: she made a statement that endorses the rights of people to sell Sim porn.

I look forward to MaxoidDrea's hasty exit any day now :D.

So if we don't have to follow EA's EULA's does that mean we can all share Store stuff freely? :D

I honestly can't take her seriously if she is going to put "plz" in the thread title. If this is the big announcement Thomass has been jizzing his pants over, then it is a major disappointment.

I can't wait to see Coconut's take on this!

The same Maxoid who's responsible for our free publicity all over the BBS, is now coming out to endorse us by basically telling paysite owners to suck it up and cry moar about us disposing of pixels as we wish... Smooth Drea. I bet this isn't what Toma$$ payed you for!

Excellent point.  ;D  Everything gets shared by the exchange.   Honestly, it's the best "who can stop it" way to get paystuff out for free, even to people who may have moral issues about using the booty.

However, I'm going to play Devil's advocate for a moment.  No doubt this is the special message TSR was expecting to happen last week.  And, while I don't believe it really says anything, because the EULA hasn't changed, and that is the legally binding document, it is understandable that TSR would feel they have a victory and now have the right to gloat at thumb their noses at us.

And, you know as well as I do, that our refusal to accept this New SimWorld Order is going to be seen as further proof by TSR that we are the lowest of the low, because clearly, it is spelled out on that post, that paysites are groovy and cool, and if I want to charge 10 bucks for some gappy hair, using a mesh stolen from another site, I should be respected and paid.  

What I don't get though, is why the hell they even bothered. All it's going to do is make the community even more hostile.  Now TSR feels they have the green light, and we've practically been told by this "staff" (who's names we cannot even know) that they are right and we are wrong.  They now will feel that they are even more in the right than they believed they were before.

So, forewarned is forearmed.  I'm expecting some nasty ass shit to go down on Thomas's part.  What it will be, I don't know, but now the man is going to feel that he's got visible proof of EA's love and support for paysites.  If he has anything he's held back, it'll fly now.  

Ooh, I'd better stock up on popcorn!

Indeed.  Just as EA should stop systematically alienating their customers, they should have released a statement from someone more tangible than a mysterious "Sims team" and Thomas should stop being a complete waste of human life.

So much fail in one little message!  I especially love the "We strive to provide players with tools that enable them to customize and personalize their game experience" bit.  'Cause, y'know, it's not like 90% of the custom content out there was produced using tools the community has made, or anything.  Let's not forget all those CC-creating tools they've promised everyone for TS3, either!  ::)

By "tools" I think they might be referring to either "Homecrafter" or "Drea". It's a toss up, really.

Don't forget body Slop.


ETA: Well, I should correct the typo I made, but I rather like it.

Apart from the EULA isn't that what we have always maintained that CC making is a hobby.

A very vague statement, in my opinion.  And also by their statement, they couldn''t exactly be approving of the way Thomas treats his staff either, as FA stuff can end up becoming free without their permission, purely because  Thomas seems to think he owns anything that is hosted on his site.

You are wearing the same tin foil hat as me. In otherwords, I agree. This week may be..enlightening.

Actually, when you submit there, you agree that they do own your stuff and can do with it as they wish.  That's why only FA's can delete their own files.

ETA:


Oh yeah.  I mean, I don't think he can really do much but bluster, but he ought to be up to some pretty wild shenanigan.  If I have to hazard a guess, his next weapon will be his Sooper Dooper Sekret "Take Down Coconut," Raygun. 

Agree with Kutto, she lost me at "PLZ."

Hey, if you anagram "DREA" it makes "AR'ed"..... is she trying to send us a secret message?

EA and the official site just baffle the hell out of me. This post... well, it doesn't make any sense. "The EULA hasn't changed, but if you want to break it we're okay with that"? I can only assume that EA isn't okay with people ARRR-ing their games... so only SOME kinds of EULA-breaking activity is acceptable?

I can also only assume the higher ups at EA didn't know this was going to be stated. Otherwise, well, wouldn't they just change the EULA to include paysites? And honestly, I am still confused as to why it is even in EA's interest not to stompinate paysites into the ground. They are competing with EA. If gamers only have so much money to put towards the game and they're already subscribing to, say, T$R, why would they go to the Sims Store? (Or whatever they're calling it these days.)

Seriously, I have no idea what they are trying to do with this post.

So basically this is just Drea and her friends team telling us we should play nice, amirite? Sorry but until EA officially says "Why yes, yes we do" it doesn't mean anything.

But ya TSR is gonna milk that for all it's worth. Hats people, hats.

 I have a bit of a question, which is a bit off topic but still about the TSR. Maybe Darqstar might know.

Do the FA's get a free sub to the TSR? I was over there hunting down a mesh when I read a comment in someones thank yous. It was from an FA saying thanks for the mesh and she could not wait for one of her free days to download it. So I got the impression that Thomass even makes his slaves pay if they want each others stuff.

So this is what TSR's been threatening us with all week?

A Maxoid makes an unofficial statement which is totally meaningless in any context? 

Riiiiiight.

I'm so quelled.

This is my first post here, and after reading through the entire thread, I'm quite proud of it. :D

You people are amazingly well-versed, and most of you made me grin. I couldn't agree more with everyone!

Poor Drea, though. She's more often than not the main distributor of this empty BS; I bet someone behind the scenes is just making her look like more of an idiot by their unwillingness to have their own name on it all. I feel for her, 'cause I don't think she's aware enough to know that she's probably being used, along with her potential as an intelligent person.

Bah, who am I kidding?

I guess it is. I am just trying to wrap my head around how this is going to make people who are canceling their memberships at TSR stay there. After all, it was Steve who used the "announcement" to keep people from leaving. It just doesn't make sense in that context.

ETA: Anyone else get the feeling it's just a "Why can't we all just get along?" kinda whine??

This is almost as pointless as when TSR insisted that EA had changed the EULA when, in fact, they hadn't. Thomass attempted to puff that little bit of nonsense up as well. I imagine, though, that it will give the wanks something to gloat about in their super-secret (chuckle) thread whilst they illegally share paypal info.


PrincessPadre (shrieking) : "I've spent all day searching the web, Thomass, and I finally tracked down a girl scout in Cleveland sharing MY files. Here's the little bitch's Paypal info.

<The princess faints from all the exquisite drama>

Thomass (smirking) : "Good job, Princess P. You know, according to our BFF, Drea, this now an acceptable practice because we are finally a legitimate business and must do what we can to protect our pixels."

Very odd... I always thought FA's got free subscriptions.  SA's do, I know that, because I still had a paid sub with a few months on it, when they decided SA's were free.

Maybe they work different deals with different FA's, or maybe the FA was full of it, and trying not to let it leak she/he got a free sub. Either way, it shocks me, I would think if SA's get a free sub, FA's should too.

Remember that thing with Atwa trying to get meshes off of Anoeski?  THat would seem to indicated FA's get free subs too, because the implications were that she thought she should still get free stuff, just like when she was an FA.

This is interesting. I'll be interested to see if a Maxoid responds to any of these threads that have been made so far, since Drea conveniently locked her own thread :D:

Thread 1 (http://bbs.thesims2.ea.com/community/bbs/messages.php?threadID=321c3ac34e9dc4c9f4fada1d1169cc91&directoryID=2&startRow=1&openItemID=item.2,item.43,item.61,item.104,item.41,item.127,item.23)
Thread 2 (http://bbs.thesims2.ea.com/community/bbs/messages.php?&openItemID=item.131,item.43,item.61,item.104,item.41,item.127,item.23&threadID=c30f64198d8da0f4d012c6c5430f1123&directoryID=131&startRow=1#6edcd1ba52ad4b3803aa822a2ffaad57)

Translation:

Hay u guys we're bff wif tsr nao so be nice to tem kay? kaythxbai!

That statement just seems odd all the way around. The Sims team, sounds like the guys who make the game. The ones who have stated over and over again, that they get no say in the DRM or any of the other decisions besides the game. So it kind of sounds like she took a poll of the people who do the majority of the work on the game, about people who "work" on creating CC. How surprising that these people (the sims 2 team) thought that they should be able to own and do whatever they want with their creations!

Even if the Sims team thinks creators should be able to do whatever they want with their work, they don't speak for EA, or EA's legal team. It sounds like a bunch of coworkers bitching about the way things should be around the water cooler and then making the changes without management knowledge or permission.

DO EET. Make a proof of concept site selling porn just to get them to shut you down.

You know what, I think I will. Anyone who wants to submit Sim Smut for Simoleans, you know wher to find me :-*

Also, question: this DemiMayorJosh character in those BBS threads, is that who I think it is?

Vague "Statement" is vague.

New EULA to agree to or it didn't happen.  Even it's just on login to the TS2 website, given the lack of new TS2 games on the horizon.

But even if there was a new EULA, it wouldn't and couldn't be retroactive.  It wouldn't change the fact that paysites have been doing the wrong thing since Day 1.

I am so tempted.

I think it is ManagerJosh.  Paysite supporter.

It is most certainly ManagerJosh from WorldSims. Creator Camp visitor, paysite supporter, and likely Maxoid wannabe. :D

The thing about the EULA is that it doesn't say anything at all about paysites. It DOES, however, explicitly say that we CAN do this. Also, wording like "should" sort of lacks legal force, given that paysites similarly ignore these sorts of rules, except they pretend they aren't.

  Why do so many of them still think that a Maxiod=EA?  Why are they so convinced that a moderator of a forum board for 12's had the ability to speak on behalf of a multi-million dollar company.  It is just absurd.  Maxiod's are nothing more than glorified mods with no real contact with EA at all.  Everytime that Drea comes in and makes a statement and the sheeple go looking for clarification there is never anyone around.  If EA had sent her to make the statement (anyone see anything wrong with that chain of events) why wouldn't EA or "the sim's team" be there to back it up?

I'm assuming MaxoidDrea is Andrea Wendland (who introduces herself on the Sims 3 site as a "Community Team Manager"); if that's the case, it is her job to (mis)manage the community with statements on behalf of her division of EA. It's still an open question in my mind whether Drea is just bad, or following orders from someone within EA, or she's trying to play both sides.

It's the SimMasters who have little direct contact with EA. MaxoidDrea works for EA, as do the rest of the Maxoids. She's part of the WebTeam, and I'd wager that her little statement did not go without a discussion to the legal team. No doubt they've been having talks with TSR about what can be done to try to thwart the Coconut & paysite-destroying efforts. EA helps TSR. They always will. If you don't believe me STILL, just sit back and watch.

If that statement could be seen as a 100% OK for paysites, I won't support PMBD or filesharing of payfiles anymore. However, it's not clear to me. EULA still stands, but respect the people that break it? Hmmm. I'll wait for a clear explanation from them (probably forever).

The situation's pretty simple as far as I'm concerned.

There has been no change to the one document that matters in all of this: The EULA.

A badly-worded statement full of "should"s and plzes do not alter the fact the original EULA still stands, TSR are breaking the terms of the EULA, and we are not doing a damned thing wrong.

We have an expression in the UK, about pissups and breweries, and EA cannot organise a pissup in a brewery. It's that simple.

http://tinyurl.com/ba3bal

Great letter. I see there are a couple of sheep though who will buy TS3 regardless of how much EA hates its customers. Morons.

"Sorry! I have a short attention span and I couldn't read it. Though I can feel your anger on something I will still buy the sims 3 and I am truly sorry for your loss or whatever you are upset about i'm sorry for that. "

Made me lol  :D

I would be very surprised if Drea didn't contact some of the higher-ups about this--they probably gave her the go-ahead.  But they also made sure that it used nonbinding language for the same reason they keep the EULA anti-paysite.  Thus, it's useless, except for the fact that it gives Thomas and Co. something to rub in our faces.

This thread is going too quickly for me to keep up, but one more thing: EA sticks up for TSR because they have a lot in common: they're both money-guzzling scum.  EA probably sees TSR as somewhat similar to itself in its younger days and wants to help it "grow," so to speak.

Fake edit: That was well put, BlueSoup.  I hope the sheep actually take the time to read it.

Nah, too many big words for the sheep. They'll dismiss it as tl;dr and move on :(

Yeah right. She doesn't seem to consider SimPe a tool, when it's the most used in the community. And it wasn't made by EA.
Unless they write the new EULA in a sims 2 game, I won't consider that paysites have the right to exist. A Maxoid statement is NOT enough, espcially when it's not clear.

Yep. They'll still own people's money. Will paysites refund all the money their subscribers spent to buy their content during all those years? I don't think so.

Edit: I'd only be satisfied if EA go public (press conference or something) and say that paysites are allowed.

Ok, this may be a dumb question but if EA were really going to make a big announcement concerning whether paysites are legal or not wouldn't they put on the front page or have a specific page about it and not on the BBS?  I would take more heed of it if it was from the legal department and on its own page than on there but maybe that is just me.   :-\

Well, there's a link on the front page of the official site if that counts...?

Scrub that. It's gone. There was one this evening.

ETA: I meant that there was a small paragraph and link to the BBS on the front page but it's gone now.

That is an awesome letter. Hopefully EA will learn something.

There is a link just now that takes you to a news page, this is all it says

And then there is a link to the BBS post.

Ah, it must be on rotation. That's why it didn't show for me before.

I cannot find words to describe how much win that post was made of! ;D

You mam, win at life!

Impressive. Hopefully there are BBSers who will read that and finally understand just how detrimental paysites are to the community, as well as downright evil. (Looking at you, TSR.) There are too many people there that STILL do not know of the iffy tactics used by many paysites.

Incidentally, even if EA came out and declared paysites A-OK I'm not sure I could ever support them, though I doubt they ever will anyway. Paysites seem heavily destructive to the community, and a lot of them strike me as pretty shady, honestly. (Once again, TSR comes to mind.)

They obviously don't understand the meaning of the word clarification. To me that post didn't clarify anything.  I also agree that post was very good Bluesoup. 

My major issue w/ TSR isn't the payfiles; at this point in the proceedings if you still choose to pay for the stuff you get from TSR that's your choice. My main issue is with TSR's information sharing, not to mention their hypocrisy as far as customer/inter personnel relations. So EA can say "B nize 2 are frendz!!11" all they want, I will continue to point people here or elsewhere whenever possible.

However, I think I will start commenting on various TSR downloads "I'm so glad I got this from the Exchange, thanks for partnering w/ EA!" just to hope for a reaction (anyone ever done this and gotten one?)

What earned my lulz though was someone claiming that you don't pay for the files at TSR, you pay for the special subscriber forum areas.

Sadly, some of them couldn't even read the entire post.  Fucking morons.

What EA says about paysites doesn't matter to me. First, they don't make law, though plenty of people at the BBS seems to think they do. (If EA says it's illegal it must be, etc.) Second, I hate paysites on principle -- if EA does come out and openly support them (which they haven't), I'll just shrug and say, "figures," and keep doing what I've been doing. Charging for game mods is wrong.

Of course EA supports TSR's illegal, con-artist practices. This is the company that hopes its industry falters horribly during the economic depression, to reduce competition, and thinks there is nothing wrong with publicly admitting this fact.

I'm with neriana on this one. I don't care if they change their EULA. Paysites are wrong.

Why, when someone can't be fucked reading the OP, would they bother making a post to say they can't be fucked reading it?  Mucking Forons.

The more I think about this, the more livid I become.  Expect more fucking swearing from me in future. :D

Even if they change the EULA, it can't be retroactively applied. No copy of the Sims 2 or the expansion/scam packs already in circulation will have it, thus it will not be legally binding. The only way they could possibly get around this is to change the wording and apply it to their patches. Even then, the end user has to agree to it.

The sheep will, of course but the rest of us? Fat chance.

ETA: Yeah, I don't get the posters who say they can't be bothered reading it all but feel like telling the rest of us all the same. No kid, you don't have ADD - You're just fucking lazy, and that sort of attitude is going to get you nowhere in life.

Okay, let's take the worst case senario, and EA does come out and support TSR.

EA didn't invent SimPE

The creators of SimPE have said you aren't supposed to use their tools to make money.

Shouldn't their wishes be respected, since, you know, Drea just said that we should respect the rights of all creators.

TSR you still lose.  Unless you want to only become a clothing and wall shop.  Even then you're still wrong, but you're not twice as wrong.

So essentially, we should play nice with the paysites.  :D

If they haven't changed the EULA, then our cause is still just. Even if they did, the way I see it, it would only affect CC created using the tools/EP's/SP's following that same EULA. Everything beforehand would still be fair game legally. Let's not forget this lovely information is coming from MaxoidDrea too. Obviously a Maxoid that is butt buddies with TSR. If a SimMaster/other maxoid posted the information then I would find it just a tad more believable.

Bluesoup, thanks for posting that letter. It was a very good read.

Super tinfoil hat time.

So what if, EA after years of watching our community fork over cash for buggy, substandard crap says "Hey we should cash in on that" and decides to talk to TSR, the biggest peddlers of buggy substandard crap of all. EA doesn't want to code well - as they'll be expected to if they start releasing additional content properly - and TSR doesn't want competition. It's a match made somewhere very hot. Since it's late to convert existing customers (after eight years of being a free community it's not going to fly) they'll introduce it as a "feature" of sims 3.

EA plans to lock the game and makes it as difficult as they can to mod or change without their required tools. Then they make people pay for additional content or distribute licenses to do so. EA gets a share of the profit and none of the responsibility. TSR is the flagship enterprise that cements this merge. Since everyone else can only make new colors of cow print textures until they get their licence they bend to EA's will. Until then all EA has to do is play both sides and tell them everything is gonna be OK.

Now Thomas is grinning like a cat who ate a canary. He's too stupid to keep it under his hat and let it surprise sheeple into complying. He wants to feel like the big man now, like he used to. Insert the last few months of complete and utter graceless stupidity. He behaves like a trust fund baby who knows Mama can get him out of jail. This ends in the debacle of Reflex Forum closing due to internal strife directly caused by his meddling. This rubs a few thousand people entirely the wrong way and is not part of EA's plans.

EA in the face of overwhelming evidence of not just any paysite but their new partner's misdeeds, bullying, and general destructive behavior, but not wanting to incite additional rage (and sensing their plans may have already gone extremely awry) says in completely mumbled doublespeak "Uh...let's play nice guys." In hopes of being able to salvage the tenacious hold on their skippy idea to make extra money. Rage ensues anyway, film at 11.

Blue Soup-Thanks for posting a most intelligent and professional letter. It's a shame you got idiots there who don't understand the breadth of the matter. And who can't sit there and read a well constructed statement. *sigh* I now remember why I stay away from there...

Yeah, that was awesome.

You know, I don't care what Drea says.  At this point I'm getting to where I don't even give a flying fuck about anything JR says.

EA shits on the awesome freesites and plays house with scumbags.  Fine, they want to play that way?  I'm feeling rather Robin Hood-ish right about now, and I've never liked scumbags -or- bullies.

I hate to say it, but that is likely exactly the response TSR and co. are looking for.

"Look!  EA came out and said we are A-OK and the pirates still wanna steel are stuffeths!  They said they'd stop pirating if EA said we were OK!  They are still teh EBILLLS!!!ZOMG!!!1!!11eleventyone!"

Who cares what the response of scumbags is to what we say or do? They'll twist things however they want, they'll "think" whatever they want. They are stupid con artist scum. I care what people I respect think of me, and the creeps at TSR are most definitely not people I respect.

meh, whatever   ::)


The EULA says paysites are wrong. 

Maxoid posts do not a legal document make.

End of story.


Now, how the Sims 3 EULA is made, that's a whole different kettle of fish.   :P

No.  TSR wants us to go, "Oh, darn it, we were wrong, EA doesn't mind paysites.  Let's set free the booty and disband because we were wrong.  Sorry, TSR, our bad."

Just because I am curious, although I understand if nobody has an answer for this: what exactly would Pescado do if EA did come out and declare themselves best buddies with paysites? Not that I think that is likely, mind you.

You can't set something free that already is... ;)  Everyone is focusing on the so called "nod of okay to paysites", but it didn't say we couldn't file share either.  In my eyes, they gave us the "nod of okay to PMBD".   :-*

It's really too bad the creators of the user tools, like SimPE for example, don't have a clause about not using the program to create a file that can be profited from, whether it is pay-per-object or a subscription to the website.

Doomsday devise? -  :D

Since it's his domain it's his call. I'd be surprised, though, if he rolled over and showed them his soft, pink belly. That's just not the Pescadian method of dealing with adversity.

From what I understand, Pescado started the Booty because it would cause butthurt. It will always cause butthurt. I don't think he would shut it down. The question is, would people still contribute to the booty and keep it updated?

Actually I think that was the point. Also inorder to prolong the butthurt there must be people contributing. Otherwise the butthurt fails.

I think the only way that sharing content would be non-kosher at this point would be:

a) EA releases some new version of Sims 2 add-on with a new EULA saying paysites are a-okay
b) pay content is released that requires new version of the game to work

They can't go back and time and change the EULA.  Maybe if they wanted to change it around NL or so, but then I'd still say anything that was basegame compatible would be fileshare friendly based on the basegame EULA.

Every current EP and SP has that file-share friendly EULA, and the whole library of Sims 2 shit is supposedly complete.  Paysites break every valid EULA for the game.  It doesn't really matter what EA says now.  They had their chance to fix things for years.  It's over now.  If anyone's unhappy with that fact, fuck 'em.  There's nothing that can be done.

TS3 may have a modified EULA. However in regards to TS2, it's still illegal to sell .packages (Let alone encode them with spyware).

I can't see anyone at EA legal being dumb enough to say that "Anybody who wants to can rip our stuff off and make money from it."  That would be tatamount to saying, "Sure, go ahead and pirate our software.  We don't want anything to thwart TSR in it's mission to make Thomas and Steve rich."

Perfect.


It's such a pity it was split from page 262 to this - your victory is hollowed. :D


Both FAs and SAs get free subs.


Yep - and we have the letter to Noukie saying filesharing is fine.


This also infers that once you have the file and do something to it, it is your term, rather than the terms of the person who may have had input.  Surely Pescado's cleaning could be considered talent, and thus is fine with EA.

Well, hey there Blue Soup.  I remember you!

Well, I'm not sure if that's good or bad, as I was quite a mess a couple of years ago :P  But I'm all better now :)

I really don't want this to change topics though.

Your wish is my absolute command. 

Good letter on the BBS. 

Thanks :)  I hope when I mail it to them that it makes someone sit up and take notice.

Are you going to make it into a petition? Because I'd sign that in a heartbeat. (And I remember you too. Welcome back)

I laughed out loud for real when I read the kids responses to the letter.

"lik umm yea I didn't read it, too long and stufz but ok whatever u says"

If you did not read it, why would you ever post that you didn't, or make any comment at all?  English is not my first language, or even my second, it is my third , and I only been speaking it for around 3 years and I could read it no problem!

The EULA is obligatory. Statement is Blabla ;D ;D

SimMaster Sweetie posts:


 :D Yes, Drea iz idiot.

God! That stupid wee troll, how can she expect anyone to take the thread seriously? She is contradicting herself there, saying that they can go against the EULA, and that it's their business! Erm...no love, sorry, thats not gonna fly, you are a Maxoid, not a member of any legal department, just because you put it in some crappy 12 year olds BBS doesn't make it a lagal document, that one being, whatever EULA has shipped with the games people may or may not bought, and until they release something worthwhile, they cannot change the existing EULA.

Oh dear God, NO!!! What if they release a patch for the fucked up M&G stuff to fix their crap and before it allows you to install it, it has an updated EULA that you must agree to?
I know that won't happen(the patch I'm talking about), but could they actualy do something like that?

And, also, why has she posted that, and then done a disappearing act on the community? And where are the rest of her beloved "Sims Team?" I went to send her a message, but, alas, she doesn't allow that, grrrr!

SimMaster Sweetie makes me laugh too.  ;D

I don't care if EA says that paysites are the shickityshickness, I'm still not paying for game mods. Ever. I'd rather stop playing the game.

AussieKoala6 (http://bbs.thesims2.ea.com/community/bbs/messages.php?&openItemID=item.2,item.43,item.61,item.104,item.41,item.127,item.23&threadID=a13c41490d2c123deba40aa8d3aead48&directoryID=2&startRow=1#e483d8b986809717a8135883471a81e8) is EA's little troll and shows that EA's still got some loyal fans.  :D I see two of the ex mods are posting in it, funny stuff.

Some of the12s that posted on BBS without reading the whole thing make me worry about the future of this country :-\

Anyway, Maxoid Drea's and the "Sims Team" (WTF?) statement is a new level of epic fail for SO many reasons.

1. EA didn't make this statement, Maxoid Drea and the "Sims Team" did. Unless it comes from the mouth of any of the EA big shots or their lawyers, that "statement" has no weight to it whatsoever. Not only that, but if it were a truly valid statement, it would be more than 2 paragraphs long and it would not be posted solely on BBS. Fail.

2. It's OK to violate the EULA? Great! I'm sure EA will be thrilled when they see people freely dishing out cracked versions of their games, since that's OK now ;) Maxoid Drea needs to be ready to lose her job over that one.

3. "Those terms should be respected by other players."  Should: a terrible word to use when you are trying to mandate something. Should means that, while it would be nice, we don't HAVE TO do it. It is also very, very, vague. These "artists" should respect the EULA, but they don't ( but that's OK now ;) ). These "artists" should respect the their patron's right to share their content and not place malicious files in said content to prevent it. The list goes on. Fail!

4. WTH is the "Sims Team"? I can have a few of my friends watch me post and call them the "Sims Team". Fail!

This "statement " does absolutely NOTHING and is just another opinion post in the paysite debate. Waste of energy. *Gets off soap-box*

I didn't mean she was a troll as in our sense of the meaning, but a troll that are stupid ugly creatures.

So what about SimPE, doesn't that say that it can't be used for commercial use, and yet EA uses that? I'm trying to remember where I read that, that someone was looking at the files and discovered traces of SimPE in it, EA are happy to break their EULA and others, so why are we all so suprised by this, and why am I really angry with it all?
There are great creators out there, fantastic doesn't even cover them, and they don't ask for anything in return other than their stuff stays on free sites and that if you like it, hit the thank you button, and then you have Lord Darcy and Pescado among others, who actualy FIX the game, and don't ask fr anything, they then update it, along with some other creators, whenever a new EP or SP is released, I'm probably reading too much into this, but to me, they care about the community and that people can actualy PLAY the game, paysites don't, they release crap, and charge for it, there is nothing in their stuff that says that they made whaterver it was with TLC and enjoyed doing it and want to share it, they got their money, why should they care?
EA has just gone and slapped all the honest, caring creators in the face, or at least Drea has, I don't want to go down the road and blame EA for her statement, but unless they come back and say something on this matter, I will be.
I have been pretty undecided about The Sims 3, and the other week I decided I will buy it when it comes out, I am not buying it any longer, I am done lining EA's ever hungry pockets, if I want it, I'll ARRRR it, as they are basicaly saying that they don't mind now.
GRRRR they make me so angry now.

*Rant Mode OFF*
 ;D

EDIT: Because I typoed, my bad.

ROFLMBO! I thought the whole use of "should" was quite indicative to the tone of vague they like to portray. They straddle the fence because they know that they've got fans on both sides of the website situation so they don't want to step on toes. However, we all know what happened with Humpty Dumpty. He had a great fall. ;)

That Aussie thread is giving me big time lulz. She's got to be MaxoidMonkey in disguise or something because she's definitely EA's toy.

Well Aussie was causing some headache a few weeks ago saying that there is no proof that DRM causes problems with people's computers, and we all should just deal with it because its not a bad program.

And you know what's really funny? I remember when BV came out and Pes posted the anti redundancy fix on MATY, EA was officially sending people there to fix the game! Before they came out with a patch. Now we can't even mention it because it's forbidden. EA is really stupid.

No - Drea says its forbidden.  I'm sorry, but I don't see that as EA at all - I'm pretty sure Drea is being paid under the table by Thomass and co.  She's spread lies and done her best to discredit Pes and recently tried to discredit Coconut too.

That also reminded me of the time when MaxoidSam tried to speak up about it by saying that "Our games don't have bugs", and that "Those bugs won't do much harm.", not to mention how he got his ass handed to him when he made a visit to MATY. Come to think of it, that also reminded me of the time when the EAxoids said that they wouldn't make a patch for Uni, and how they changed their minds when people yelled at them enough.  ::)

I don't remember any other times Sam got involved, but I think he could be at the same level as Drea, if not a bit worse or better.

I thought the screencap in this post at GoS makes for an interesting read:

http://www.digitalperversion.net/gardenofshadows/index.php?topic=10534.msg299874#msg299874

BeosBoxBoy and Numenor, you are class A fuckwits.

I just saw that, and honestly, I was pretty surprised at Numenor. He's basically a free creator with one donation item, and the only reason it's even there is consistency. It's not like this is the "Numenor Must Be Destroyed" club or anything.  ::)

Also, you have to love the irony of the statement-- after all, he's bashing "pirates of any kind", yet MaxoidDrea essentially just gave pirates the go-ahead to ignore whatever parts of the EULA they want.

Hee hee, that was a funny screencap!

It's rather shocking they have the wherewithall to wish cancer on people who would rather not go back to the days of Robin Hood's enemies' instincts. Ha freakin' ha, you selfish bastards.

I mean, c'mon. Stealing from the lazy and giving to the gamer - how is that unjust?

They need to get a god damn day job and focus on something more pressing, like their social bar.

Those people are lower than low to wish someone gets cancer over wether game custom content is paid for or not. Disgusting lowlifes.

I wouldn't have expected that from Numenor - it just seems so tasteless. I've admired him as a creator, and now - not so sure. Not that I'm going to uninstall his mods, but geez - what an ass. (Cancer-less, I hope.)

That's exactly what's wrong about the "statement", it can be taken out of context ( whatever that is) and stretched anyway someone wants to pull it, as can be seen in numenor's post.

I am fuming right now over that comment. If you lurk on over to GOS, you will see my reasoning, but I feel the need to doubley bitch!  ;) If Beos feels that passionate about the topic, great! But what he needs to do is get his lazy ass off the computer and go outside and get some fresh air. Obviously Sims 2 has become to "srs business" for him.

And Numenor? Way to let an old grudge go.  ::) It's surprising to see a man of his stature, still butthurt over something so small.

I wonder, can you post comments on Beos boy's blogger without needing an account? I'm sure he just needs a friendly reminder that the statement he holds in such high regards, was made by a bbs moderator.  ::)

Is there a direct link to that blog, to see if it's even real? I'm asking because when Numenor was involved in the debate, he was very angry to be treated the same as a paysite like TSR. And not just because TSR had more payfiles.

Yes Ma'am.

http://beosboxboy.blogspot.com/2009/03/pmbd-must-be-destroyed-or-something.html

Thank you dear madam :) So how does one find out if that person is really Numenor? :-\

I'm guessing if your on his friends list you would just click Stefano. I just tried it, and it says it's private. I guess we could always contact Numenor on MTS2 and ask if it was him since he frequents there a lot.

Well, if you can't be a mess here, where can you?   ;D

Hauling the whole thing back on topic:

I just reread the statement, and I think I see what they're trying to say.  It's not an endorsement of paysites.  It's a half-assed attempt to get people to shut up about it on the BBS.  It's their statement of why they're going to be closing or removing all posts discussing paysites vs. pirates on the board.  In that context it makes sense.

Unfortunately being idiots they worded it in such a way that anyone could interpret it any way they wanted.

Let's hope it's not. I'm even a little surprised at Beosboxboy himself - first slamming Maxoid Drea and basically saying that what she says is completely unclear, then picking the convenient 'translation' that it's completely clear that 'paysites are not illegal' (even though in the same text it says the EULA still stands), then ranting at people that pick their own convenient 'translation' from the same unclear text, then telling them to get asscancer. (Well ok maybe only the asscancer bit is surprising. 8))

Sick bastard.

The things you see when you finally get your internet access back... That statement isn't much aside from her thoughts, really. Nothing binding, nothing meaningful. Honestly, that wasn't a statement that I'd respect, so you guys are still stuck with me, because it didn't endorse pay sites at all. From where I came in, it just sounds like someone babbling from a badly written script.

As for what Beos and Numenor both said, I hope that someone they know and love have died of what he's wishing upon us, then they'd know the horrors of it.

Exactly! Unless it has the letters Atty. or CEO after the name, it means nothing.

That is sad if it is Numenor.  He was the reason I found PMBD.  I had great respect for him and that reason and that reason alone I refuse to this day to download his tanning bed from the booty.  In his case against it being there he said it was a gift to people who had helped him and it being available to everyone belittled that gift.  So ok on principle it had to be there but that didn't mean I had to have it.

Just coming out of the woodwork to state that I've had cancer (not ass-cancer as he'd hoped, but cancer nonetheless), and I hope that Beosboxboy gets torn apart by wild dogs. What a crazy fucknut.

And lol @ MaxoidDrea's "clarification."  ::)

Yep, agreed. Most things would mean more then a BBS Maxoid statement, as they are often not in the loop of things. If a CEO, or some other, signed that same statement then it would still not mean as much (as the EULA would remain unchanged, and etc), but it would act as a signal that an official change would be swiftly done. Am still cautious about this statement though for the reasons that Darqstar posted on page 2  - it could be that there is more to come with this

Petition active:

http://www.petitiononline.com/EANOTOK1/petition.html

Private info kept secret though, cuz I'm not a dirty paysite whore.

Signed.

Well, guys, it's official. We're screwed. I mean, if some random person who has some piddly moderator power says that paysites are okay, who is EA and the EULA to argue? :D What a joke.

Anyhow, thanks, Beosboxboy. It's so refreshing to see you for the douche-slurping shitbag you really are. Ass cancer? Really? Over some pixels? Claaaaaaa-ssy! And Numenor? Get over it already. Seriously. That poll on your site was over the top, too.

Thanks for the petition, BlueSoup. I'm sure I will be signing just as soon as I've read it through.

Signed Bluesoup ;) Thanks!

(hey there Paden~~ :D Glad to see ya got your internetz back!) :P

Good luck with that petition. EA's never paid a lick of attention to them before, so I'm doubtful they'll start now. If it didn't make them do a double-take with the SecuROM online petition, I doubt a boycotting petition will either. A snail-mail letter however will do the trick. If only enough people would do that!

In spite of disagreeing with Yakov's philosophy on pay sites and his general attitude in more than a few cases, I've never made a secret of wishing him well.  When he told the general populace over at InSimadult that he had cancer, and of his numerous other health problems, several "pirates" sent him well wishes and support.  Nice to know we didn't waste our breath on someone who can't seem to keep reality and fantasy from overlapping anymore. /sarcasm

He's always been venomous and hot-headed, but I have to agree that his statements are a new low.  I can't say I've never said something cruel that I wish I could take back, but I've never done it in a public forum.  Hell, I haven't even said it aloud most times.  

Fucking classy, Yakov.  

The petition and all signatures will be printed and mailed on March 31, 2009.

A couple of things:

First: It’s been mentioned a couple of times in this thread that the creators of SimPE (Quaxi, RGiles with the help of ... Numenor among others, but we’ll get back to that) have stated that you cannot charge for stuff made with SimPE. I’d like those who said that to post a link to where they have this information from. Because as far as I know there was ever such a statement made. It is certainly nowhere to be found on the SimPE homepage.

What is true, of course, is that the creators of SimPE made the tool all for free, update it when needed all for free, provide support for it all for free, and maintain the all-essential GUID database all for free – like mentioned in BlueSoups BBS Post. But that is an entirely different matter.

Second: You know, if there was ever somebody in the Sims community who should be allowed to hold a grudge over a small thing, it would be Numenor. He has not only been essential in the development of crucial modding tools, he has also at all times been one of the most helpful people over at MTS2 – you know, where the rest of us so-called creators go when we can’t figure out how to make whatever we’re trying to make. There are not a whole lot of other people who has put such an effort into the Sims community as Numenor. I’d say we’re talking about a max of two handfuls.

And personally I can quite understand why he’s peeved about that one item of his ending up in The Booty. I think it’s out of order too, which I’ve said before. So, uknortherner, if you think Numenor is a class A fuckwit for making that comment, I think you’re an even bigger class A fuckwit who needs to get things into perspective.

On a general basis: So what if some BBS moderator made a statement endorsing paysites. There’s nothing new in that. EA has always supported paysites, and always will. Besides, the ‘Paysites are illegal because of the EULA’-argument has always been dubious. I've never bought it. I mean, can anyone tell me how the EULA will stand up in any court against national legislation about copyright and intellectual property?

Yes? No? Well, my bet is that national legislation would overrule the EULA completely. Which means that creators – pay and free – may well be able to claim ownership and rights over their creations.

Paysites are bad, but not because they disregard some silly sentence that pops up on your computer screen. They are bad because they turn a community into a market place. Because they turn gamers and friends into cash cows and customers with no customer rights whatsoever.

I never thought it was cool either, which is why it didn't make it into the booty when I uploaded items.  And at the time, Pescado agreed with me.  No idea why Pescado has changed his mind now.

The single reason why that bed is there, is because we don't make exceptions. Not because we don't appreciate everything he has done for the community. That is all. It's not personal.
Also, this has been discussed alot already in the past, am I right? I thought we came to that conclusion. (Or at least that we'd agree to disagree, but the file would be in the booty.)

I understand that. I still think it's wrong.


Yes, it has been discussed, and yes, a conclusion was reached. I don't agree with that conclusion, though, and will say so when the subject comes up.

As a matter of fact I think it was a really bad strategic mistake to alienate Numenor from the anti-paysite movement. But that's an entirely different discussion.

It did say it because I had quoted it in a thread laying around here somewhere. If you look at Numenor's CEP page though it was edited in April 2008 so they could have changed their wording. I also had quoted the EULA of any program they could use to create anything for the sims and in every last one of the EULA's it was stated that you can't sell any product made using that software.


I wouldn't care if fucking Jesus Christ himself came down from the heavens to complain about the pirates. Beos comment was wrong. The whole Numenor grudge thing was what? One year, two years ago? Maybe more? Shouldn't he be a little more adult about the situation and get the fuck over it? How would you react if say, oh I don't know, Inge made that comment? Would you still agree she had a right to hold a grudge for so long?

Which brings me to a completely off topic point. I'm tired of the fact that because someone is free they are fucking gods. Yes let's give praise that they are free and fan girl over their creations. We don't have to eat their shit along with it.

I don't think Numenor has any right to hold any grudge. He could have done the exact same that Ren has done and told people where to get it. He even says on his fucking web page if you can't make a donation mail him and he would send you the item. What is the damn difference between that and the booty? Oh because he gets to chose who gets his item? Sound familiar?  ::)


Yes it was. Out of boredom I was reading the thread the other day. It was pretty much agreed that by putting that item into the booty we would lose a lot of community support. Which we did. But we did it anyways because we weren't going to make exceptions because if Numenor's object was going to be excluded, what would stop people from bitching about sites like XM Sims, and Rensim.

 I guess EA enjoys watching it's Sim's community tear each other apart. This "statement" is  way over due by a couple of years.

I am done with EA, not only have they ruined the Sims for me but another favorite past time of mine Pogo.com ( yes I am a pogo addict lol) There is fighting over there all the time too since they took over and they do nothing about it there either.

What kind of sick logic is that? You mean that being a profilic and talented modder has bought him the right to be a petty child? I'll never deny that he has done amazing things for this community and modding for the game, but nothing should be able to buy you the right to throw temper tantrums and insult people. I respect Pes for what he's done too, but if he'd try to say that kind of thing to my face he'd get such a slap. Then he'd take my eyes out with his tumb in 0.2 seconds, but that' beside the point.

I always thought it was a shame his one item ended up here, but a bigger man would have said "Right, fuck it, I can get over it if it serves a bigger purpose". Many of us would have done just that. I can understand why it's here and it should be here, even though it feels wrong. But to say that his e-peen buys him the right to be an abusive asshole is beyond daft.

Also no surprise, Beoxb... that guy's blog has comment moderation. I made a very polite remark but I doubt it'll ever see the light of day.

It did come into the discussion, Nouk. I read it loud and clear.
And like Nouk said, it's not personal. If we start pick and choose, then it becomes personal.


Well, why not hold it against all the people that have raking it in off of his creations? The phrase "Pick your fights" comes to mind. I think he picked an odd fight. His stuff's been used over and over by people profiting off of it, but he only gets upset at 'the pirates'. All of us? Really? How many of us had direct involvement in his item being in the booty? *scans crowd for raised hands* Not all, that's how many. But, hey, whatever, if we all get cancer, he'll be right up there with Beosboxboy celebrating. Well, Numenor or no, he had a donation item, it went in the booty. Years later, TSR (and plenty others) have made a killing off his items (or built a second house), and he's still on about a bed.

You could post it here for all of us to admire.  :D

Your wish is my command:


Okay, not all sugar and rainbows, but a hell of a lot more polite than I felt like being :D

On a side-note, this is the PMBD I love. Making intelligent arguments, being so goddman activist Che would be proud, all sass and reason. I love it. And I needed it.

The beauty if this board is, that you are always alllowed to disagree.
Numenor was never for or against paysites, really. The only reason he was angry, is because of his own payfile was in the booty. But, if we had excluded it, what would stop from say, Delphy making some payfiles, Inge making some payfiles, Wes_H making some payfiles (not that they would) and demanding, because of their work for the community, that they'd be allowed to sell something?
It's a case of defenition, not level of appreciation. If money exchanges hands to get the file, it's a payfile. If addition to the booty was dependant on the level of appreciation, it would suddenly become a subjective matter, in the end we'd loose alot more credibility than when we added the tanning bed.

So while I understand your reasoning, and also do not like that the tanning bed is in there, I still disagree with you. That's not a problem though, luckily.

I'm not talking about CEP. I'm talking about SimPE. The one tool you need to have to at least make anything object related for Sims 2. Where does it say that it can't be used for commercial purposes? Below is what you agree to when you download the programme, and there is no mention in there about not making money of it.


I'm not talking abot Beos. Don't want to have anything to do with the way he chooses to see things. And no, I don't think Numenor just needs to get over it because it has been a while. When somebody pisses on you in real life, do you simply soften up and forgive them after a couple of years? I don't. I might not be angry, but I won't be all niceties, I can assure you. If Inge had made that comment, I think I would have shook my head. But I wouldn't have called her a class A fuckwit.


I know the story. It was before I got the courage to post here, but I've read the discussion. So basically what has happened is this: Pirates piss off Numenor by putting his bed in the Booty. Numenor speak out against pirates because they pissed him off. Pirates berates Numenor for being angry with them. Who's the class A fuckwit here?


(Warning: I'm about to go to bed. Please don't expect any responses before tomorrow).

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I wasn't really around much for the tanning bed discussion, either lurking or otherwise.  But, I thought Numerator was willing to give out the tanning bed if you wrote and asked him for it.  Yes, it was a "donation" gift, but it could be obtained for no money, just by asking him to send it to you.

I also saw someone come in here with a gripe about a site that was free, but made members jump through hoops of begging and email and questionaires before you would get any of their stuff.  And while we all agreed that the hoop jumping was difficult, we weren't here to tell free sites how to give away their stuff, we only cared if it was being sold.  

That being said, what is the difference between the tanning bed and a site where items are free, but you have to go through a lot of bother to get to them?  

I know this has already been decided, but had I been here at the time, I don't know if I would have wanted to see it go there or not.  And while I think his reaction is way way over the top, if he really, and truly does give his tanning bed to people for free, just makes it a little harder to get, then I do understand him being upset.

No, I'm not trying to start a fight, really I'm not, I'm just not understanding this.  I don't think he deserves special favors, but I do feel he deserves the same rules as everyone else. If the tanning bed is free, even if he makes you send him a statement signed in your blood, then it's not a pay item.  All he's doing is making it easier for people who donate to get it than for people who don't.  Not much different than MTS2 giving faster servers to their supporters when you think about it.

EDIT: Never mind, not important. 

I called Numenor a class A fuckwit because he said nothing - absolutely nothing about BBB's ass-cancer statement whilst publicly applauding him for taking a nasty, bitter swipe at the evil pirates. He IS a class A fuckwit, and if calling him that makes me one too, then I am proud to say I am a class A fuckwit also.

Happy now?

Again, it wasn't personal. The pirates simply told Numenor that, why the bed was in the booty, and that his anger was in their opinon, unfounded for this and that reason. It was a discussion. I don't remember anyone telling Numenor "FUCK YOU!!!!!einz" or scilently agreeing that someone should get buttcancer, or any of that jazz.

Real quick, and then I really am off to bed.

uknortherner, do you really expect BBB on his own comment moderated blog to allow Numenor to criticize (which I can't spell) him for making that cancer comment? Come on. Give us a break.

Nouk, I know. When I said 'pirates berate Numenor' I meant now. People are after Numenor NOW because he's angry at the pirates, who made him angry back then by putting his tanning bed in the Booty. (Did that make any more sense?). Sorry didn't make that clear.

Did Numenor really feel the need to post on BBB's blog at all? No, but he did anyway.

Ohhh ok thanks :) Sleep well!

The problem is I think, that he's angry over something that was not a personal attack on him or on his contribution, or done because of somekind of dislike towards him, and he knows that. He's allowed to be angry, but to some people here it's not logical.
The only opinion I have is that it's shocking that the only reply to someone saying "Let's hope they get colon cancer" is basically "here, here!". I don't think anyone deserves that kind of comment in any kind of way.

Seriously, nobody was holding a gun to his head and telling him to post NAO and better make sure it was accepted. My post there will never see the light of day, but I really didn't feel compelled to change my opinion or even my wording because of that.

I'm sorry, but you're making an emotional argument. Your logic is sort of skewed and all you're really saying is that you feel we're doing the wrong thing. Which is fine, but we've given you our reasons. Being insulted like that, even as part of a whole group, hurt. And knowing there's someone out there who wishes terminal illness on me for sending around .package files is scary and strange.

Not to mention insulting, ridiculous, heartless, immature, uncalled for, thoughtless, and infuriating, to name a few more! ;)
And I most certainly agree that Numenor had the option to tell Beosboxboy that he was out of line. Even if the post was deleted. Even if he's a friend. A true friend lets their friend know if they've fucked up.

This is more how the course of events goes:

Booty grabbers staff decide to put all payfiles in the booty.  Because they enjoy using logic and enacting guidelines that display that this whole endeavor isn't really an attack on any person or site, just the concept of content-for-pay.

Numenor throws a shitfit, takes the fact that his one content-for-pay item is...in the content-for-pay item repository personally, and posts a ridiculously biased poll on his website, and pimps it over on MTS2.

The general consensus over here is we would like to remain neutral, logical, and all that jazz, and everything dies down.

Two years later, Numenor heartily agrees with a sentiment of a very adamant paycreator that all pirates are now wrong, even though the EULA has not changed, and that we should also all get asscancer.

...now...I admit I'm a little biased, because I don't take kindly to people who defend pay content.  I see it as a group of modders, many who have been in other communities and know this is an anomaly, fleecing naive internet/gaming noobs for custom content because they can.

But I sincerely believe that yes, Numenor is indeed was a fuckwit and is continuing to be a fuckwit.  You can be talented and still be an asshole.

This is why I was pretty astonished at the heated reply, assuming it really was Numenor. He has the undeniable right to be angry (although I would also hope that on some level he understands why the decision was made to put it in there). Even keeping that in mind, wishing that everyone who considers themselves a "pirate" gets cancer seems pretty over the top, not to mention unfair to those who really have dealt with cancer before.

I'm hoping this wasn't the real Numenor, personally.

 I think that any message left after the post wishing asscancer on all of us should have at least contained :" I, for one, dont wish asscancer on anyone BUT..." That would have been fine, he could have shouted "FUCK YOU ALL" from the rooftops and I wouldnt have an issue.

  I am sure we can all say that Thomass and co have been class A fuckwits, but not one of us has ever wished death or illness on them. Class is something you can have while still expressing your opinion. No matter what that opinion is.


  Oh, and I agree he is a fuckwit. No matter what he might have done before, he is one now just for that comment. (Or lack of one...)

Actually uknortherner I'm with you on this one. I don't think Numenor is being a fucktard because he's anti-pirate at all. I think he's being a fucktard because BBB said something insanely offensive and Numenor decided to endorse it with a resounding "Ya what she said"  It wasn't obligatory or paticularily redeeming.

Way to take the high road there ladies.

 

Numernor is the oldest name I recall since I starting DLing CC in '06. I appreciate the free CEP very much. I'm not a forum member on any sim site and I don't know folks in the community but I lurk around enough on PMBD to know what's going on. I admire PMBD for sticking by the whole point of their anti-payfile movement and not giving Numenor an exception. Lashing out at pirates seems bizarre on Numernor's behalf but I think maybe his anger is misdirected and he may be angry at people who are making money using CEP and his other tools but he really can't do anything about it. And there's just one item of his in the booty and paysites are making $$$ using his tools. You'd think he had pages and pages of CC in the booty and was losing his rent money over that tanning bed.  ??? Seems strange. Just a thought.

Back to lurking.

Fuck, Beos. He's probably one of the biggest, most self-obsessed bitches in the community. I once caught him going on about himself (apparently, not a rare occurrence) at another forum and decided to download some of his crap from the booty in order to check it out. I was expecting some pretty phenomenal shit to match the ego. Nope. It was a lot like like picking up a trick who goes on and on about how awesome he is in bed and then can't get it up.

He's a joke. And a disgusting one at that.

I said CEP because Numenor created CEP and if I'm not mistaken he worked on SimPe.


I was talking about both of them. Because A. It was Beos blogger, B. Numenor chose to post on said blogger. To me they are like Bonnie and Clyde. You can't talk about Bonnie without mentioning Clyde.

And yes I do forgive them. There was a girl in middle school who was friends with another girl I hated. Me and the two girls got into one day and I vowed to hate them forever. Now they both are some of my really good friends. It's called being mature and getting over shit. If Numenor still wants to be pissy over something that happened two years ago it's his prerogative. Most of the community will see him as being childish and immature for it.



From what I recall no one berated Numenor. There was actually alot of fighting amongst ourselves and where we would draw the line of what goes into the booty/what does not go into the booty.

To basically echo what Nouk was saying, I can pull a couple of points out from no where on why his tanning bed shouldn't be in the booty. I could also argue that for a couple of websites in there as well. But that's the beauty I almost put booty.of the booty. It's not different shades of grey, but black and white. If you must pay for the file it's a payfile. Period.


No one would expect Beos to allow someone to pick at him at his own blog. But Numenor chose to post there and chose the wording of his post. And to clarify, from the sites I have been lurking on people aren't mad because he spoke out against the pirates, it's the fact that his post seemingly approves of Beos wishing everyone ass cancer.

Have a good night Moune.  ;D

Psh, yeah, and we all know how annoying that is, amiright ladies? Amiright? Y'all know I'm right.

Someone brofist me.

*brofist for Devilfish  ;)

Amazing that, over a bunch of pixels, people are angry enough to wish cancer upon people because of differing views. EA cannot resolve this w/out pissing off a slew of players and potentially losing money; they have allowed this to go on long  enough to have sides drawn in the sand. To try to fix it would only hurt them. Thus: they will allow everyone a free-for-all fight (but play nice!). When people are so angry to say what has been said, then there is a much bigger problem.

 I hope EA is proud: that they allowed a creative, fun community to SIM amd all was good. The along came people wanting $$$ and we innocents thought they were somehow blessed by EA and used special EA pixels and fairy tool made by EA. We spent our money.  TSR grew. We were amazed. Then, we found free creators making beautiul things! We felt cheated. Blah blah paysites blah Pescado blah booty blah ass cancer.
What a downfall for the community. EA could have stopped this many times....makes you wonder why they enjoy watching this fighting.

As mad as we get at "the other team" or about a tanning bed or our pixels or how we share our toys....ya gotta look at who stirs the damned pot.

Numenor has as much right to be angry as any other pay creator does.

Beos has always been an asshole of the first degree, and not only about the paysite issue. I'm a little surprised at Numenor, but not at all at him.

You know my grandmother has rectal cancer, and unless you have a family member or know someone that has it, you have no idea how devastating it is. My mother had to quit her job to take care of her...from the chemo and the radiation and doctors appt. not to mention to take care of her every need because she was too weak to care for herself, my grandmother is 81 yrs old and now the surgery to remove said cancer begins. I will not go into anymore details, but you know there comes a time when grown people have this animosity over pixels to a Game and wishing cancer on people have taken too far! I am appalled at bbb and Numenor for even thinking that everyone-everywhere deserves such a terrible disease..I have truly lost respect. I know for sure I will not be buying Sims3, What use to be fun and something to look forward to at the end of the day, has now stooped this low..there will be no more money going to EA or any paysite for that matter from me again! I can see why my mother who has been around from day 1 decided to be very limited on the forums now and want nothing to do with anymore. My stand is that until the EULA is changed, MaxoidDrea's comment means nothing to me..I will continue in the same manner as I always have..she has said nothing to convince me that what we are doing is wrong!  I know that the paysite's think this is a win... they are delusional.

BeosBoxBoy's chimed in with a response:

http://beosboxboy.blogspot.com/2009/03/pmbd-must-be-destroyed-or-something.html

Yeah and have the "pirates" ever wished you a painful terminal illness?? Nah..didn't think so.

"The greatest of us"....is he holding himself in line with Numenor? Lol!

Eeew. A little like watching some pathetic moron trying to fellate himself.

Ok wait, he went to the equivalent of junior high school. That can't be good. I get the whole bitter thing now. My bad.

While we're on the topic, why's he got his tits out over on TSR? Is he New Kathy?

Someone like BBB should know better than to wish someone a disgusting and painful disease. We get that you value yourself higher than any human being in the world, man, you've already shown that plenty of times, but this several steps too far.
I also like how every reprehensive thing he says and does is always someone elses fault too. The pirates did it, HP did it, they did it, it's their fault, they made me do it. Guess what dude, you are what you allowed yourself to be. And no-one here has ever wished any diseases upon you, I can tell you that. So be real proud of yourself, you sure showed them nasty lowlife pirates!

"The greatest of us"... yeeeaaah. You make pretty pixels for a game. Numenor does little more. Pescado makes the game playable, Quaxi makes it moddable, but dude. Game. You aren't Rembrandt. Remove your head from your ass, please, it's unsightly.

Well to me, they are not only saying "screw you pirates" but screw everyone who believes that all files should be free. There are many simmers who do not believe in paysites...but they really do not believe in the booty or this site either. By supporting the new statement in such a loud rude way ,  it is not only alienating pirates but many other people in the sim community who may not be as vocal . Basically, if there is any one in the community still on the fence about paysites and such ( and there are plenty still)  Such post will not win you any of their support. If they wanted to state their thoughts that is fine....but they were the ones acting like kids in junior high.


edited because I confused myself*

Beos is ridiculous. You'd think someone deathly ill would have more perspective.

Numenor is also ridiculous. What he doesn't seem to get is that it's nothing personal, it's about principle. When we had the discussion back two years ago, I was against putting his silly tanning bed up in the booty, but I came to understand that it wouldn't be intellectually honest to make an exception.

Actually, I think he was calling Numenor "the greatest of us", not himself. I could be misreading it, though.

What I don't understand is why he feels so personally targeted. "The pirates have been hating me good and strong"? Really? Because I spend plenty of time lurking around this forum, and this is the first time I've even heard of the guy. I certainly don't see any "We Hate Beosboxboy!" threads around here either.

This guy just doesn't understand irony at all, does he? The "artist's rights" bit made me laugh-- because obviously what he considers to be the artist's rights totally overrides what the EULA states. Hasn't the guy figured out yet that he completely misread (and totally overinflated) the BBS post?

Which is probably the sickest thing about this particular man-twat. He whined and whined about his own various illnesses and then turns around and wishes terminal cancer on others. His ability to do so is seriously leading me to suspect that he was faking it for the attention that, apparently, he can't live without. Maybe it's because I simply can't comprehend anyone being so vile that they would wish cancer on others if they'd had to deal with it them self.  I guess no matter how you look at it, he truly is a sick individual.

Actually, Numenor mods the game too - he might not fix major bugs, but he does mod, not so much mesh/texture.

For my own part, I want to know if that's really Numenor.  Signing a post as such doesn't make it so.  If it is, I'm really sad.  He's always been helpful and polite.

As for BBB, I've never wished him ill, just thought he was a twit for going completely over to tsr when his partner is a free creator.

And sorry, BBB, but I've already -had- my brush with cancer, near enough.  And with a still damaged jaw, won't be sucking anything anytime soon.

Also, if it were confirmed that anyone could ask for that damn tanning bed without a donation, I'd say ditch it.  Regardless of what Numenor may or may not think about us, if its available for free, its not a pay file anymore.

I have but this to say to BBB: Fuck you, Yakov! I gave support and friendship until the day you started to suck your own self like a monkey in a zoo, showing what all you could do to the people watching you fling crap for your own amusement. Just remember that it was a pirate that taught you some of your best insults when people would bother you to make content that you found personally objectionable, you rotten asshat.

To nastygirl, I know kind of what you're going through, we lost my dad to cancer two years ago in June, but his was too far advanced when they discovered it, or so the doctor claims, to have done anything for it. He's done this same thing to other elderly patients who did go to someone else and so gain more years to their lives. Yes, he's under investigation now for this, btw. I hope some old lady beats that son of a bitch up with her purse, I really do. And I hope there's a bar of lead in that purse as well.

The ass-cancer thing pissed me off as well, I had relative who died of colon cancer. Nice job BBB. Hope you feel good about yourself for getting that worked up over a game to wish someone cancer.

It's a shame that BBB can read enough to validate his own arguments (poorly) but can't read enough to see how stupid that BBS post was.

Clarification my ass. PMBD is still right, Paysites are still illegal, EA is still straddling the fence for all it's worth, and BBB is an asshole. And if that is really Numenor, my opinion of him has tanked.

:D He certainly seems to think he rates quite highly in this little drama - sticking it to the man - I'm sure he thinks it's all about him. 

As for taking a BBS mod's word - well, that's sorta like SMBurpie, whose abusive and absolutely wrong SecuRom advice I screenshotted at the time and sent along to the SecuRom class action people. I screenshotted MaxoidDrea too, because if it comes up in future as a justification for why someone can ignore the EULA, then along it will go.

My goodness, SimSecret going to blow up this Friday.

Anywho, nothing has changed in the EULA, and everything is basically the same, so why are all these people freaking out and wishing people harm?  It's disgusting, and makes me wonder how some pixels on some game has made people stoop so low as to wish cancer on somebody (BBB) or try to use somebodies illness for gain (Thomass).  Doesn't BBB have a terminal illness, anyways? (I believe I have read that before)  Why wish something so terrible on somebody, if you are supposedly going through it yourself, or something similar?  Ugh. 

So, ass cancer to pirates, their associates, their hired help, the people who like pirate movies, those who are related to anyone who was ever a pirate, those who have dressed as a pirate, and anyone who says "arr".
Got it. what about those who read the posts? What about anyone who might have talked to a pirate once? It would be nice to know who all is covered by the mean words.

Pretty crude and angry over a game. If someone is that concerned that they wish cancer on someone, I can do a work-in for some therapy. I have 15 minutes on Wednesday next week.

i think i follow the sentiments of most people here when I say that BBB can go fuck himself over and over again.  My grandfather died because of rectal cancer 10 years ago and I only hope that BBB gets the same and that it is as slow and painful as it was for my grandfather...complete with catheter...fucking man-twat!

You might want to rethink that "punishment", sleegee, - :D - I'll wager that he's all ready fucked himself over and over again at least twice today.



edit - Thanks for the signature, Beos. But not really.

BBB claims that he's stopped giving a shit about what people think of him, and yet he moderates the comments in his blog. ::)

I think maybe he's just a spoiled 36 year old brat and doesn't care what others think of him (Just as long as everyone agrees with him). If he whines about CC and why it's not fair that people are allowed to take his stuff then he's just an example of a person that has no life whatsoever (His excuse for that Ass Cancer comment was a reference to South Park. Phft! Yeah fucking right).

For crying out loud, get a real job and grow the fuck up BBB, you're embarrassing yourself.

Edit: Corrected. Thanks Missbonbon. However now I can't stop laughing from that sentence.

That statement had me curious so I went digging around on Numenor's site and found a pretty interesting quote.


I don't really see the need for the last snippet. If they didn't pay, so what? If it is a "gift" that he calls it on his website, then he shouldn't need money for it. It annoys me when people try to cover up being a paysite with the word "gift." Gifts to me are like the bed Cala made me. I didn't pay her for it, but she made it as a gift.


This really bugged me though. Basically says "Oh I will give away my tanning bed! But only if I like you!" Not to mention just reading over his website, it seems to me like his idea of a gift vs. product seems to be skewed.


Bolded the fixed part.  :P

Unfortunately, SimMasterBurpie was only following orders given her by the Maxoids.  And when it blew up, they threw her under the bus as a sacrifice.  She's a very good friend of mine and she was not happy about any of it.

You mean you might pay me? *tents fingers evilly.


The point still stands that SMs are not untouchable - nor are BBS mods.  Having been one of the well behaved people who was generally threatened with a ban for mentioning my SecuRom problems, I don't agree, and have screenshot evidence of her post where she said the *exact* opposite - that she wasn't in fact towing a company line:

(http://i44.tinypic.com/95x548.jpg)

Can't have it both ways.

She has had a lot of fucked-up opinions in the past, which I have disabused her of, but I know for a fact she was indeed toeing the company line with the SecuRom shit.  She got caught up in it, not knowing anything about technical stuff, and purely echoing what EAxis told her to say.  She came off looking stupid, but believe me, she was merely parroting what she was told.

Can I pay you with kittehs?  :P

(http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/funny-pictures-your-cats-love-has-exploded-everywhere.jpg)

Someone at GOS made me look an notice Beos edit to his article:


Yeah nice cover up. Trying to blame your offensive comment on tv. Sheesh. I'm guessing since he made the edit to his article he must be getting a lot of hate comments on his end about it.

I provided the screenshot for my assertion, my very own pictorial fact of my exact recollections, which match what she said at the time. So I don't intend to suddenly act like that wasn't what she said, no matter how many revisions are now made to the public statement she made to everyone. 


Happily. :D


Perhaps in his selfish mind somewhere the realisation came that other people might have bigger problems with his statement, like say, having actual cancer. Looks scrambled to me, but he's never failed to sink to as many lows as he can in the past.

I don't intend you to.  Nor is she making a statement now, this is what *I* am saying.  I have no doubt she said that at the time, and she may have even believed it.  After all, EA did put that information together for her.

I'm just saying, the SimMasters (all of them) were not in the wrong there, EA was pulling at their puppet strings the entire time.

I think I've said all I need or want to say on this.

I for one will not be buying TS3 due to a raging and sudden case of ass-cancer. Thanks BBB for bringing the term "butt-hurt" into a whole new light.  :-\

Good morning.  ;D Wow, sleep does you good, doesn't it?

Hope you all won't be terribly angry if I jump back a page or two. Because frankly, if you want to talk about logic, then there is some logic here that I don't understand. I mean, now Numenor is a class A fuckwit because he didn’t tell Beos that the cancer comment was out of order?  ??? What kind of logic is that? Definitely one where pretty much most of us here are class A fuckwits because we didn’t post that either on Beos’ blog. Besides – just for the sake of argument – how do you know that Numenor didn’t write that in his post, but that Beos edited it out. Come on, guys.


Uhm, no. And I think several people are making that mistake. Numenor did NOT say anything about ass cancer. Only Beos did that. What Numenor did was say ‘FUCK YOU’ to all pirates. I'd say that's an entirely different kind of comment.

Maybe I also need to point out that I’m not defending Beos. I fully agree that that comment was absolutely uncalled for. But Beos’ wrong-doing doesn’t make Numenor guilty. I completely fail to see how Beos and Numenor can have any resemblance to Bonnie and Clyde. What’s the connection between them? Do they have the same kind of personality? Most certainly not. If anything Beos has much more likeness with Pescado.

(And speaking about Pes, just as a sidenote, funny how it is fine for him to for instance say to a newborn mother (not me) and her child that they both need to die horribly and painfully, whereas Numenor can’t say ‘fuck you’ without getting his head chopped off. Double-standards anyone?)

I guess what I'm trying to say is let's just lay off Numenor a little, okay. He's angry at pirates, and personally I understand why he's peeved. Apparantly some people are offended by his anger, but honestly, cut him some slack. We all owe him, and on that account I think we can spare some slack-cutting.

Missbonbon, please go back and read my original post – the one you replied to. I am not talking about CEP, but SimPE. For the simple reason that there were false claims going around that the creators of SimPE did not allow pay objects to be made with their tool. So far I have seen nothing to back up those claims. So until there is a statement on the SimPE site or an equally ‘official’ place can we please all stick to facts and refrain from creating that rumour.

...

Oh, and this --->  ;D

Well, there's a point to be had that Numenor claims to be a good guy, whereas I claim to be a shameless asshole that neither expects nor deserves sympathy. This takes the bite out of any attack against me right there: If I do a jerkass thing, what are you going to say about it, that I'm a real jerk? I think that this is already an established point. Besides, you agree with me. And that's what really matters. Don't pretend it doesn't.

I have absolutely no intention of laying off Numenor unless he comes here, himself and tells us all he did NOT make that comment, and he does NOT support BBB's asscancer statement. At the very least, he can explain himself. I'm sure I'm not the only person here (in fact I know I'm not), who lost a lot of respect for Numenor when I read his comment.

Likewise, seeing as you inferred that I was a class A fuckwit for daring to pull up the so-called mod-god himself on the matter, I'm not letting you off the hook either.

As someone who has watched an awful lot of Southpark, I don't think "asscancer" comes from the first episode. It comes up in the episode where Cartman made this kid, Keven,  eat his parents. (No, not that way, eat as in "lunchtime")  Cartman  writes to RadioHead (Kevin's favorite group) to get them to come to SouthPark to watch Kevin's ultimate humiliation (eating his parents without knowing) and tells them (Radiohead) that Keven has "Cancer.  Of the Ass."

I don't remember it in the first one.

As for the "It's in the media, it's all right" blanket excuse,  I watched a TV program where this guy was shot by someone who got sick of his punk mouth.  Can I do that to BBB? After all, it's on TV, it's all cool then. 

But the claim you're a shameless asshole is also a way to declare yourself immune to legitimate criticism.  It's like a neo-Nazi saying it's ok to proclaim that Jews are the devil's spawn because, well, you can expect it of me, I'm a neo-Nazi.  In your own mind, It gives you carte blanche to do and say anything you want.

BBB's comment is sick, so is your comment about the baby and mother dying.  You can't get off the hook that easily, Pescado.

He won´t sleep this night, worried about your words  ::)

Out of respect of Burpie and yourself, whether or not the Maxoids gave her false information to say on the boards, she was let go for her abusive language to other simmers. To me, it wasn't the miscommunication that Burpie had with anyone but her comment about usb cables that got her thrown under the bus.

screenies?  ;D I was banned on the BBS so missed alot of the stoopid stuff that came.  :'(

I can't say everything that happened, but I know she can be hot-headed and I don't doubt she got out of line.  I feel sorry for most of the SimMasters having to put up with all that EA bullshit.

This bugs me the most. I personally care for the rights of everyone who dropped hundreds of dollars on all these games and EPs and makes an effort to be active in the community. And I'm not saying downloading CC is a godgiven right. I'm saying not being lied to and cheated while downloading CC is their right.
With all due respect to creators reading this, I will never concider any of you artists. Creating for this game is a craft, not an art. Some of you are amazingly good at this craft and some aren't, but it's not freaking art and BBB, you're definetely no Michelangelo or Wilde.

And Moune, I'm sorry if this sounds harsh, but you're really coming across as a fanboy. Every time we make a point you skip to some new alledged crime we commited against the great Numernor. I'd like to have a proper conversation about all this, and I understand this thread is rather hectic a the moment, but you're all over the place with your arguments. I hope you've gathered that we all respect Numenor as a modder. Whether we, as a group, respect him as a person is under discussion at the moment.
And Pes does not get away with all the horrible crap he says. Why do you think calalily must die anyway? Snoop around there's plenty of instances of mutiny. Besides, you can't say Numenor has bought himself the right to be an asshole and then turn around and say Pes should behave himself (see wher my fanboy comment comes from?). Thing is, we're all pretty sure Pes isn't really an oooold man with a beard who lives in a bombproof shelter with Misses Pescado, who is also old and bearded.

I'm all for respecting the efforts of those people who have worked to make the game what it is, but sucking their e-peen just because they're e-turkeyslapping me is just not my style.

Me too minionsRmine - me too.


Your wish is my command.  :D

(http://i40.tinypic.com/11m7253.jpg)

So she admits that even on her computer Suckurom is causing her game disk not to be read because it thinks she pirated the game, but she still defends EA's use of it?  Geez, what a card.  ::) 

No comment on the strangling with USB cables... 

Masters of dredging up the past, huh? :P

She obviously made mistakes.  But so did EA, way moreso than Burpie ever did.  And isn't EA who we're all supposed to be mad at?  ::) 

I for one hope they either enforce the EULA, or willfully ignore it on ALL fronts, both pro-pay and pro-booty.

Alright, put the petition up on my LJ, hopefully it'll get some extra attention there. People with websites and blogs, why not put it up as well? The more autographs the better, I'd think.


Right, so this time I'm neither drunk or hung over and it still sounds like a neat (albeit fairly disgusting) idea.

Do eet y/n?

I would hope it would help or else sleep would be pointless lol.  :P


I'm sure no one would mind if you jump back in time. I think discussions about issues help us evolve our standpoints.

Numenor is a grown adult and should know when things are okay and when things are not okay. Obviously by Beos addendum, he has been receiving some sort of hate comments for his ass cancer remark. I'm sure people are making remarks on his blog, but we won't see them. Nope because he is moderating them. As for his comment being edited, there has been almost an entire day passed, give or take a couple hours, for Numenor to speak out against it. He has not. So until he can speak out, and give proof that his comment was edited by Beos, I will stand by my belief that he said nothing.


It is entirely different. But when nothing was said against the ass cancer remark that's when it got dirty. Let's take another travel back to the past and go to the start of the information sharing thread. Don't you remember how many FA's/Mods that were/was there during the whole scandal that got persecuted because they didn't say anything? They didn't tell TSR to stop, or they didn't notify any authorities. Just because there is a problem and someone sees it and does not partake, doesn't mean they are excluded from the problem.


Of course Numenor and Beos aren't old western gun slingers. The point is that while talking about this subject both names pretty much have to be mentioned. Because it's not the case that Beos made a wretched comment and that was it, but more of a case that Beos made a wretched comment, and Numenor partaked it in.


I will admit that most of Pes says that is offensive, I ignore. Not because I'm trying to be hypocritical, but that man could tell a blade of grass it was wrong and win if he wanted to. Pes won't change, and if he makes a shocking remark such as a baby and her mother need to die, and negativity that comes from it he enjoys. So if we praise him it doesn't get fixed, and if we insult him it doesn't get fixed. It's a circular road that there's no point in being on.



Moune, I can lay off of Numenor if you wish Or atleast try. I may voice my opinion else where though.


I did read it. I get your point that SimPe doesn't say paysites can't use it. I don't think your getting my point though. I did not ever say SimPe had that clause and if I did I would like you to point it out to me. My point was that at one point and time the CEP did have it.

sim porn...umm no thanks!

I downloaded a lot once from the exchange, I had no idea the shower was "special" when I moved a family in. Some visitors arrive and the next thing I know Mary Sue Pleasent and Goopy are going at it in the shower. O.O Then my sim husband had a go at her! all on their own , not even knowing each other. I had a good laugh but I had to get rid of it... something kinda disturbing about the whole thing LOL

Um, yeah, that's just wrong. One of the many, many reasons the Exchange needs to DIAF.

Just to clarify, this site would be a statement, not my chance to finally make money peddling smut on the internet (if that was the goal, I'd have joined TSR ages ago). Nothing would be sold and no actual money would be transferred. The way you can buy a subscription to MATY (http://www.moreawesomethanyou.com/).

Sims porn... yeah, I'm not a fan. Making statements and causing mischief? So me.

I get ya...the whole idea would be a joke to poke at EA...which would be hilarious btw!  Just reminded me of the shower from the exchange that nearly caused me a heart attack! lol  EA wants to police the community but not its own file sharing site.

Sim porn...Hmmm maybe my husband would wanna play sims after all!  ;)

Hey it would make a statement alright. Since everything is supposedly swell and dandy in "EA's" eyes. Which sims 2 song would ya be playing in the bg? lol ::)

Yes. I was also thinking that another proof of concept site that would be a good proof is if someone were to take all the objects from later eps and package them up for sale compatible with base game - they do that at the EA store, but it's alright because if you create it, you create the terms.


More that I don't want to rewrite it favourably - but reflect it accurately. I don't care how it's revised now that they've thought about it, particularly as it wasn't a pleasant experience for many of us there doing the right thing. Just because it's erased on the BBS means it never happened - that's what screenshots are for.


I can be mad at Burpie and mad at EA. Burpie proves that pronouncements on the BBS do not equal right, nor do they equal legally right.  Burpie provides the previous example that you can make all the pronouncements on the BBS you like about what is right, what happens and what is allowed, and still be dead wrong.

That "Shopping" song that they dredged up from Sims 1

Alas, I have no talent for doing that, wouldn't know where to start. Smut, that I can do.

I have all the smutty stuff from sexysims, including the shower. I know how to make sim movies too. I would be happy to lend my abilities to the project. ;)

He's still butthurting over his tanning bed being in the booty, uknortherner. Not much else to explain.

I'd also like to point out that when the disclaimer for a rant (beos') is almost as long as, or exceeds, the actual rant, well, that's just hilarious.

Should I have said he merrily agreed instead of heartily?  I didn't say he said that.  I said he agreed.  Doesn't that look like agreement to you?  It does to me.  Maybe I misread it.  Maybe he doesn't agree with BBB.  Perhaps he completely disagrees with the sentiment.  He phrased things a bit oddly if that's the case.


No.  He deserved to be perhaps a little annoyed two years ago.  He threw a goddamn tantrum, and therefore lost all of the slack I thought he deserved then.  He certainly hasn't earned any back now.  Not by acting like a petulant 5 6-year-old.  You can give him carte blanche if you want, but I sure as hell don't have to.

And BlueSoup, really, none of us care about your relationship with SimMasterBurpie.  It doesn't discount that she acted like a moron.  And it doesn't really matter if you try to vouch for what she thinks now, she still acted like a dumbass then.  And rightfully deserves being called on it.  It's not dredging up old history to refresh someone's memory if they are claiming that things that happened a certain way happened another.

More comedy gold from BBB:


PS, nice sig, Snarky!  ;D

Thx for the screenies.  :)


Been trying to think of something myself but not having much luck. Beyond uploading as much pay crap as I can to the Exchange.  ;D

I don't get it. If he doesn't care, why bother rejecting comments?

 May I suggest we use Chaz and Jikra's simmies as the porn actors??? They already look the part!

And throw a DOT lamp and a bunch of other TSR crappy objects in every movie ??

Hahaha what a infantile asshole. You need to put more profanity in your sentances man, it works to bring your point of "I don't care!!!EINZZ" across.  :D

I wonder if the tanning bed is on the exchange?  If it ended up in a lot? 

Everything is on the Exchange. It's like a stinking swamphole where cc goes to die.

Which, right there, is another point against thinking EA is about to endorse TSR--they'd have to spend a lot of time and money cleaning up the Exchange.   ;D

I didn't see it mentioned in the thread, but BBB has been removed from GSC2 now, for all of that crap on the blog.  They are not taking kindly to that kind of ranting, and have removed his things and suspended his account.  HERE (http://www.gaysimsclub2.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=11760)

edit cause, well, links can be nice to have. 

Good on them.  He's now put up an address, and I'm sure when he gets the inevitable mail that he will (because I know my son gets spam for an email address he put in one form only) he'll happily dragoon pirates into the peoples who did it - even if it's a mailing list thanks to a spambot.

Screenshot for those without access. (http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b33/cosmic_charly/simsmisc/2732d261.jpg)

And good on them.

Yeah, the snail mail address that he put up is for the Head of the FBI, Richmond Virginia branch. 

Ah, I see. I'm sure the FBI will appreciate the spam themselves. 

So, I've just spent forever reading this thread.

I just want to say that, obviously, what BBB said was EXTREMELY wrong. About Numenor? While he didn't exactly say "Yeah, those dirty pirates should get cancer", he has made it clear that HE doesn't think BBB was out of line by not saying anything about that particular comment at all, instead just saying "Yeh, Fuck you pirates". That's not cool.

Has someone actually asked Numenor if he made that comment? Someone said they'd contact him, I think. Just to verify.

A well deserved punishment. Why would you hope that someone gets cancer over pixels? He'll probably rant about this somewhere else and blame us for his stupidity.

Off Topic : When did BBB become an FA at TSR? I guess I missed something ???

Well, Kathy and Eric didn't show up for months on Insimenator, basically Beosboxboy took on the role of caring for the site (shutting up everyone who was pro pirate and basically ruining the Animal Army section), and when Kathy returned he left without a word and became FA. That's probably about half a year ago.

Scotty's thoughts -


Thank you, Scotty. I don't know whether it was an easy decision for you to make or not, but it is appreciated.

- you too, Courtney (you rock like Gibraltar)

lol.  I do rock like Gibralter.  It's true.  I'm also so sweet that Slugworth tried to steal me. 

I can't believe it's the real Numenor who commented at BBB blog. I can't care the less for BBB, never felt the need to know him better so it's not a big loss for me, but Numenor is a different case. As Pescado said, we use to consider Numenor a good and nice person, who deserves respect and I'm still  in this mood.
Admit I'm also shocked and actually feel a bit naive right now. Can't say of myself to be a "dreamer" who just think that everything is shining and lovely but I was not prepared to this.
Sorry if I can't explain better the sense of dismay.

I just wanna know if you're anything like an everlasting Gobstopper after that crack...

rofl.  I thought you were too tired to participate in the weird vaguely offputting orgy. 

Ah thank you for the screenshot Devilfish. Beos has always been one to strive for controversy, and not doubt that is exactly what he is doing now. If you read the thread on this at SimsCave, Beos apparently did some pirating himself and is a complete hypocrit. His words completely speak for him on the blog..how he can wish that upon someone else because of a pixel game, when he himself is dieing, I do not understand. Am sure he expected an outburst here but not at GSC2, so either he will say they are all pirate lovers or may realise he over stepped the mark.

As for Numenor, would like to see some sort of evidence that that was actually him. Just to completely know for sure.

Well, if you do, then that gets you rated high for style points, you know? *gets out clipboard*

I could help some. My talents are limited to applying textures to stuff and writing, though, and I don't have a lot of time. My modding capabilities aren't up to porn level. Still, sounds fun ;D.

One problem could be that I'd need to use free stuff (definetely hacks, outfits etc), probably from sexysims and ISA. I wouldn't be selling anything, obviously, but I'd hate for a free creator to get butthurt over it as well. That's not the idea.

I'll see if I can get a free site somewhere (can't exactly drop money on that kind of project, boyfriend would flip like a ninja ;D)

Hey guys, I was going to come over here and start a thread on Yakov, but I'll just post here instead. I want you all to know that you have my support. Always. I have known Beos for 5 years, so banning him was not easy. But he insulted A LOT of people with his hurtful words, and I will not tolerate it. I have always been anti drama, and the GSC has managed to avoid it for the most part. But I can't sit around and keep silent on this. Yakov pissed me off. And hurt some very good friends with his ignorant words. I decided not to remove his stuff from the GSC. There are a lot of exclusive items over there, and removing them will just be punishing other people. He may not like it, but I really dont give a flying rat's ass. He has no say so in the matter. Besides, the GSC members have spoken. :)

Scotty, that can't have been easy for you, especially when you want to stay out of drama (we're sort of big on drama here). It takes a big man to do what you did, so thanks.

We appreciate the support, and glad you came by to voice yourself directly.  :)

*hands over some rum*

Nothing wrong with being anti-drama, and definitely nothing wrong with standing up for what you believe in.

And I agree with being disappointed and having a hard time believing its actually Numenor who said that stuff, when he's always been so nice to me and helped me with my stairs so that sims can pass under them and the like, as well as letting me use his recolourable ones as a repository for my own.  But even nice people can have truly asshole moments.  Everyone has a bad day, and everyone can be a jerk even if they are -normally- friendly, nice folk.

And sometimes, people can seem nice, and turn out to be petulant brats.

Hmmm... would you have to use all free creators' stuff? I mean, TSR alone would supply plenty of content, and since you wouldn't really be charging...

I just thought of this when I saw the Paris Hilton jail porn outfit at a paysite, and there may be good reasons against it that haven't occurred to me.

Scotty: Very cool :)

Thank you Scotty for what you said in your post on GSC and here. I have to admit those words about people getting cancer or any terminal illness really hurt. Not just me personally, but for others whom I know who suffer with all kinds of illnesses.

I know it is hard to defend a friend when they do something that is over the line. I myself have had to do that recently too in another online community. But again I thank you.

Good call posting in this thread, Scotty. - ;)  Beos simply doesn't merit a discussion thread here. It's not like he's Carla Niven or something. And thanks again for taking a stand. I imagine that for any simmer who happened upon his site and who may have been dealing with cancer, or another life threatening disease, that could only have hurt as much as it sucked.

I give you much respect and applause Scotty. There was no need for that disgusting statement and I am glad to see you take a stand against his sad conduct. (I know it was difficult on your part.)

Thank you very much.

I can only echo what the others have said, Scotty, and give you my thanks.

I, too, thank you Scotty.

I'm really offended by the cancer statement. My M-I-L is currently living with us and suffering from Colon Cancer. She's terminal. I'll spare all the horrible details, but will say that the poor woman has been unable to take care of herself in any real capacity since the middle of her 3rd round of chemo. It's heartbreaking. I can guarantee to any dumbfuck that thinks that wishing something like that on anyone else, especially over pixles, is going to end up paying karma back in big ways. 

On a happier note, I'm quite the pervy perv and would be more than willing to share my pervy perv sims movies for the butthurt site  :-*

Thank you Scotty.  BBB's behaviour was pathetic and I applaud your actions.

I've also put up a link to the petition in my blog.  Seeing as I usually get a spike in views when some paysite scandal hits, we should get a few more signatures.

Another vote of thanks here too Scotty.

I've only ever come into contact with BBB once, and that was at InSim during his reign of terror as a self-appointed supermod, and he's left a bitter taste in my mouth ever since. That asscancer comment was totally out of order, as was Numenor's apparent backing of it.

How about Thoma$$ and Atwat instead?

Now that porn I would never ever watch :o

for the love of god no! we only want to make fun of EA not make people go blind!!  :D

Actually I think we have that somewhere. I remember an army of nekkid Thomas zombies and a dominatrix Atwat with a strap-on and a play room. Amirite?

Ok I officially feel dirty now.

I'd put in a vote for maxis skins. No one but EA could be butthurt over that. Perhaps Goopy and Bella?

There are actual Thomas and Atwa shippers besides Thomas and Atwa?  :o
All joking aside, let's not do that  :-X

 It was in a story here, they kidnapped Pes, and someone came and saved them. Maybe Plum? I dont remember the entire story, but I do know what you are talking about kenmtl.

 I would also like to say a GIGANTIC thank you to Scotty. I am sorry that a friend made you make that decision, when a simple apology probably would have helped it die down.

 While I can't help with the sim pron site, I will enjoy its many LULZ!

Filthy Priest wrote that one and it was worth many lulz.

Yeah that was a fun story to wright, it got kinda hard to deal with a green skinned atwat tough.Unfortunately the pics for my story were deleted due to the closing of the pixcastle website. If only I had a sim of Maxoid Drea, her and Thomass in a hot torrent affair. Hmmmm, romance is in the air. Does any one have a barf bag?

Edit: Crap I forgot to comment on this EA crap. My take on it is, its all a bunch of crap pooped out of Drea's drama whore butt hole. That way all her sheepish BBS followers can be lead into the paysite slaughter house of horrors. As for Beosbitch, wishing any form of cancer on anybody is messed the fuck up, and Numenor should know better.

beyond reproach = unassailable virtue, cannot be faulted - "the prostitute's cleanliness was beyond reproach"

beyond reproachful would work better, or "messed the FUCK up."

Thank you Scotty for coming here to brave the ebil pirates.  :-*

Your comment to Beos, I'm sure it was hard, but if you feel it was the right thing to do, then I will stand behind it. That man, no that boy, was offensive. Oh and lookie guys, now he's being just plain childish:

http://beosboxboy.blogspot.com/2009/03/pmbd-must-be-destroyed-or-something.html#comments

I rest my case.

Is BBB  insane?  Seriously.

The wishing death by rectal cancer on people who share files and then him and Miros going on about the FBI.

This is just waaaay too much.

*sigh* BBB's so stupid. Not that this was news, he's always been stupid, but still. Is there anything else on? Seriously, believing that a statement which does not even name names, and which tells people they "should" do something, is a legal statement by EA, is so dumb. I can't stay angry at anyone that dumb. I mean, I know stupid people can be dangerous, but meh. He's not worth our time, it's like squashing a fly with a Zamboni.

Sorry I'm a bit late to the party on this. I had around eight pages to read through by the time I got home from work,. But I would so love to be of help on any proof of concept/EA butthurt project. I can't make quality content or anything,, but if money is needed, I can do that... Or hmm.. writing, Careers, I guess I could do. Whatever, the point is I love the idea and want to help.

Just popping in quickly to say:

I'm very sorry, but I'm going to have to leave this discussion. The father of my son arrived from France to visit for the first time yesterday, and the situation is demanding a lot more of my attention that I expected. I don't really have time or energy to concentrate on anything else.

Just wanted to let you know that I haven't turned my back because of anger or grudge or anything else negative.  :)

@Devilfish.  I'm willing to help in the project.  I don't have much experience making sim movies.  But I do have mod/hacks that work fairly well with each other, in my game anyway.  Expansion packs I've got are nightlife, pets, seasons.

Thanks to anyone who wants to help. I've never been offered smut so eagerly before ;D

I can do a lot of it myself, the only thing I've got no talent for is editing movies, so if there's anyone brave enough (and in possesion of enough eye bleach) to do that, that'd be awesome. If you've got any movies that'd fit the... um... 'theme', feel free to put them on Mediafryer. (Promise I won't as any questions.)

I don't know what your thoughts are, but maybe it'd be best to keep this as 'Maxis' as possible, not too much cc. Because this is sticking it to EA and not paysites. On the other hand, an army of butthurt paysite peeps would be pretty sweet. Thoughts?

(Also, make new thread, y/n?)

I think a new thread is a good idea.

As far as keeping it as Maxis as possible, I'm rather torn myself. On the one hand I think the point is more precise that way,  being in keeping with their respect the creator's policy "statement". On the other hand, paysite butthurt is what we're all about, not to mention I foresee many opportunities to P&L at the ensuing writhing and gnashing of paysite teeth.

For the record, I've never tried editing a movie but I'd certainly be willing to try and learn. Also, I've got no movies made yet, but I've got more woohoo related hacks in my game than I can count and would totally love something to do with them other than proving to the BF that the Sims isn't corny.



Edited because my grammar isn't actually that bad.

You can do one with nothing but EA stuff to stick it to them and then one with a bunch of TSR crap to make them pissy too. Share the love I say!

Understood, Moune.  Good luck with the visit.

@ Moune: Good luck and happy trails!

@ Yous Movies Guys: Sick! I love you. :-X

OK, this is a reply by EA to an email by someone on another site--N99--, asking about paysites.

Screenie: http://picasaweb.google.com/cb1803.1817/MISC?feat=directlink+#5309506514794942210

For those with old eyes, relevant portions:

we support customers adhering to the request of another customer regarding if they are allowed to distribute custom content they have made. Essentially, if I had made a couch you also wanted to distribute, I would expect you to request permission from me to do so.

****
Also, subscription fees are to be a member of the site itself. Membership allows you to fully use the site, but you are not paying for the items themselves, simply the use of the site. If you wish to use a site that charges a fee for use (whether related to the sims or not), you have to pay the fee in order to use the service. Some of our fans go to great lengths to create sites that were not cheap to design. If they feel that it is fair to charge an amount to use their site, that is up to them and will only limit traffic to their site if other users don't want to pay the fees. So, it's up to you on whether or not you want to pay the fee for site access. But, again, this is not the same as paying per download for items (which is what you would do on our site).

If this is official it does change the discussion.  I'm too wiped to consider ramifications.

And if I don't get back to this thread with answers right away it's because I'll be gone for a couple of days on a family outing, not cause I'm ignoring anyone.

Except that they don't charge just to use the site, they're charging for downloads.

Take, for instance, Rose. She charges per item. And Peggy doesn't charge you to use the site. She charges you to DOWNLOAD THE ITEMS. Same as T$R. I don't have to pay to view the items or use the search function, etc. but if I want AN ITEM, I have to BUY a subscription. I don't have to pay to log in, mind you.

If this was an e-mail response to someONE then I highly doubt it is official. If someone else sent in the same question they would probably get a different reply. Also, if you read closely enough, he didn't really answer the question.

Edit: Afterthought

It's as official as Maxoiddrea saying it. Without an actual EULA change you can't convince me otherwise.

Even if TSR could get round this subscription rule they cannot get around the FAs charging or being paid to produce custom content, that is definitely commercial enterprise.

Is it me, or does that statement sound utterly and completely full of a warm, brown substance?

Not to defend TSR, but in the old days, I would have understood this logic saving them. Back when TSR did the "Only so much is free, and it rotates."  Because then, you could say that you bought a subscription to have the right to download whenever you wanted, whatever you wanted.  While it would still be wrong to pay the "artists", it would be pretty easy to claim that you weren't paying for the items, you were paying for the convenience of the items availibility.  But, once they decided that the FA items were pay only, then they began charging for items.  And, no matter how they do it, if they are paying "artists" to produce this stuff, then it is a commercial enterprise.  Someone is making money off Sim content and sim content alone.

Some sites have had dedicated,  faster servers which are only for people who donate.  In that case, yes, you are paying for the site, not the item.  You can get the item another way, that might be more annoying, but it is possible. 

However, no matter how you slice it, if you have to pay to gain access to certain items, and that is the only way to get access to those items, then the items are pay, not the site.  I can't even see how you could claim it was the site.  Otherwise, then these so-called "Pay for my site, not my stuff" places couldn't have free items. 

Food for thought... if this really is the legal loophole that EA games is going to jump through to be able to protect and worship TSR's and other paysites asses, the booty might end up making paysites legal.  Follow me on this one, I know that sounds strange, but, techically, someone charging for content could say, "I'm only charging you for the convenience of downloading my stuff from my website.  If you want my stuff for free, go to the booty." 

Edit for: Clarification.

If that were the case, then no one would be able to access any part of the site. Wrongo, EA guy. Locked downloads specifically say to subscribe to unlock that asset.

That "clarification" actually says something very different from what EA wants to say.  If membership fees are just to gain admission and not to pay for downloads, what's wrong, according that logic, with sharing the downloads? Put the way the EA rep said it, it's getting onto the website that's valuable, not the cc. So according to them, we're in the clear. It's not as if pirates have found a back door into TSR and are delighting themselves with oogling the pr0ny screenshots.  :P

Why in the hell is EA lying to cover the asses of paysites?  Are they really that clueless?  Or have they been getting a cut all along to hide their noses in the sand?

Because there are plenty of paysites that charge per download anymore.  I think it was figured out that for value, at least TSR was low cost, comparitively.  I don't think that included the donation set type paysites, but the actual 'businesses', but still...

righty O then!

If I am not mistaken if you want something from rose you pay her and she emails it to you? So you do not even use the site at all really....just to look at pictures and click on the paypal button.

This is actually a valid point, not that I'm advocating we yank down the booty.

Does the fact that many (I say many because I'm thinking especially of Ren Sim when I say this, since she is fine with her stuff being in the booty) paysites don't want their stuff in the booty matter at all, though? This is a pretty convoluted loophole if EA is actually relying on it, and I'm trying to wrap my head around it. I guess it's possible that this is why EA hasn't come out against filesharing, although I would argue that if that is their stance on the thing, linking to PMBD should be perfectly legit at the "official" site.

ETA: Also, doesn't that mean that in order to continue charging for their downloads, sites like TSR would have to provide their downloads to the booty as well? I'd certainly love to see Thomass's expression during that conversation.

Go to T$R, find a pay item, and mouse over the key icon in the top right hand corner. It says "this content is for subscribers only." Nuff said.

Can't they just get it over with and tell people "Stop sharing payfiles or we'll cut you, bitches." At least THAT would be clear.  :-X

Ah, but then they piss off all the free folks and lose customers - thing is, if they said paysites were bad, they'd lose fewer than if they said paysites were wrong.

If only they'd realize that little bit.  I am more and more thinking EA is getting a cut somewhere, or bribes or cutbacks or whatever.

Considering the Exchange is the original "booty" were anyone can share anything at any time  ( including store items..because I have down loaded those in lots, and yes they do work) I will always assume they think file sharing is ok. They confirmed that fact when meshes started being packaged with the uploads some time ago. The only time something does not work is when you get a slave object without its master.

So EA states "NO sharing files! but check out our exchange for the newest downloads! " ???

I'm starting to see it as:  don't patronize these paysites if it bugs you so much.  Community - police thyself.

What I haven't seen is:  sharing user-made content is wrong, quit it.  See officially provided user made content Exchange for endorsement even.

What EA can address with authority:  violation of their copyright or trademark.  See Securom, see All Rights Reserved statements required on fansites.

What EA won't address with authority:  paysites complaining about people sharing their payfiles.  Not EA's problem, fansites aren't affiliated w/EA.

So basically...EA has done nothing about this at all, except maybe some market research.  Reactions to these statements have shown EA that their fanbase has wised up and is not at all thrilled at the prospect of TSR or any paysite having a say about their relationship with EA.  Nothing good or happy has come from these statements, no 'yay!' from the customer base, only 'hell no, I'll pass'.  Paysites can't put the Coconut back in the bottle, and just the fact that Drea states in one of her posts that 'this is a touchy subject' shows that EA is aware of growing distaste for paysiting.  EA still wants it all ways and always will.  That means that EA will never give TSR or any paysite what it really wants:  fullblown endorsement, nor enforcement of any paysite's terms.  They would've changed the EULA to do so.

Drea's statements actually tread some dangerous ground for EA:  do they really want to throw their EULA, a questionable device of a one-sided, sight-unseen-at-point-of-purchase contract, under a bus in this fashion?  EULAs are already looked upon as 'wishful thinking' that very possibly would not withstand a legal challenge.  For EA to retain the EULA as-is while speaking out of the other side of a Maxiod's mouth...the very first page of this thread said it all:  the EULA means nothing, it's a free for all.  I doubt that's the end result EA or any publisher is looking for.

As of yet, EA hasn't come out and outright condemned nor mandated that the Booty be shut down.  I think it's because they can't.  They have no standing to do so.  That problem falls at the feet of the paysites who take issue with it.  EA's not part of the loop in that regard:  if paysites are going to claim 'infringement' on their payfiles, which necessarily infringe on EA's rights ever so ironically, then paysites are the ones that have to address it, not EA.  

So TSR, etc. may believe they have friends at the offical site, but those friends have hands tied.  Booty butthurt, like people deciding to pay subscriptions or per piece of CC, is not EA's problem, the end.

It sounds like the guy who answered that e-mail did so by reading the actual EULA.  He's probably just a tech support guy and doesn't know much about the paysite thing, so he answered it by explaining what the legal document provided by the game says.  He, like Drea, doesn't speak for EA, but he does show that any person reading the EULA can see that we're right--the EULA does make paysites illegal. :D

But, unfortunately (or fortunately, in the case of Drea), I don't think it matters what he or Drea says.  The people running EA want to have a partnership with TSR, and that's what they're going to do.

Also, I don't think EA really supports the Exchange being a "booty," so to speak.  I think they're too lazy to moderate it correctly (and they probably started including meshes because they got sick of the 12s being confused and spamming them with e-mails when their downloads wouldn't work).  You can get a lot of adult content and read a lot of creepy stories on the Exchange too.  I doubt they want that.

The only problem with that is how do these booty shoppers know what to look for? In order for a site to fall under this protection, they would have to implement a "Pay at the Door" policy. So unless you've paid to get in, you don't know what's on the site. If you've already paid to get in, then everything on the site will be available to you. Why go somewhere else at that point. I can't imagine paying just to visit the forums or to submit creations or to see what kind of content they might have would be a particularly advantageous business practice. Unless you got some good p0rn happening it all sounds a bit restrictive to me.

Not that I think this will happen, but all of these sites will still need to advertise to get new subscribers, so these items will still be able to be seen by people who might want them and then they can go searching.  Also, I am sure that new file share sites will pop up with lots of preview picture threads to show off the items prior to downloading.  There are lots of ways around that plus sites would wither away if people had to pay in order to even see the files. Who is going to pay to get in without knowing if there is anything good inside?

So, can I ask, is this why TS3 was held back? So the EULA could be changed to save paysites in the future? Not for 'marketing purposes'?

I am amazed and astounded that EA has finally cleared up this mess once and for all.

Three cheers for MaxoidDrea!

Why hasn't someone picked you and stuck you into a vase already? People like you make the idea of plucking the hairs from private parts an attractive alternative to possibly becoming a parent...

*throws tsr crap on the troll* Sounded like it needed some more manure since it's spewing it out in our forum.

btw: is that peggy? I saw in a few of their other posts they pretty much were defending her. The comment would seem to make sense if so...

It's some fool that thinks the sun shines out of Peggy's gap, I guess.

You are right about those things! I'll take the job! I would love to reject some of those fugly sims over there and make the 12's cry! lol

(http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/287bcff6b5f4d6f060e996e681ccc5124g.jpg)

Well, if that is Peggy! Dear lord woman, you ARE NOT a 'BeautifulButtercup'

Change the name!

The bald spot certainly explains why her hairs are so gappy!  :D

I had a feeling that was going to be misunderstood. 

No, I am not saying that any paysite will ever leap for joy and say, "Thank you PMBD, We love you!"  We know that is never going to happen. 

However, if the whole idea is that "Noo, you're not paying for items, you're paying for something, it  just looks like its for  items!"  (Let's face it, to say you're paying for the site is ridiculous. Who is going to pay to merely look?) 

Now, if a site has multiple servers, they can offer all their stuff for free, but if you donate, you'll get a better server.  Then, you aren't really paying for the items, you're paying for the privilege of a fast download.

I would imagine that if there was any way, besides paying for items, to get items from any site, a paysite owner could get around that loophole by, instead of bitching about the booty, using it to prove their legality.  "I'm not charging for the items, I'm charging for the privilege of getting the items from my site.  My items are free somewhere, they're free on the booty."   They could even take it a step further and say, "If you donate, you can download the items here, and if they don't work as you hoped, I will replace them, or refund your money.  If you get them from the booty, I make no gaurentee, you're on your own." 

Do I think it's likely?  About as likely as a snowstorm in July in the Bahamas.  However, it would be ironic if by the booty's very existence, these paysite owners could continue and stay within the rights of the EULA.

The only stickler would be, of course, the artists at TSR.   They have nothing to do with the running of the site, they are paid by how many people download, there is no way to look at that as anything but "They are making a profit on Sims items."  Nothing can change that.  But, even Thomas's extravagant paycheck could be written off as "Costs of running the site." 


ETA:  Buttercup, go back to Peggy and let her know you came over and made your statement.  Then, go to the BBS and suck Drea's tits for awhile, because clearly you are not ready to be weaned off breastmilk.

Yeah, I'm glad they "cleared this mess up" too. The EULA means nothing and I'm going to make copies of the game for all my friends.

If Drea is that same Sims 3 Community manager or whatever she's called, did she pick the people who attended the creator's camp?

http://tsr.mustbedestroyed.org/?p=623 - coconut's take on the drea announcement.

You know, that's been bothering me, especially since someone at TSR (was it Steve or Thomas?) was basically telling us to wait and see a week before that 'announcement' was made. I never really figured out how they knew this was going to happen, since officially TSR and EA have dick-all to do with eachother.

As we've discussed for the last umpteen pages, MaxoidDrea doesn't equal EA.  ;)

It seems like some EA bigwig would intervene and tell everyone that Drea just pulled that statement out of her ass, rather than let her spread more wishy-washy crap around.

They'd have to know it was happening first. EA is very uninvolved with the community. They don't want to be bothered, which is why it's such a mess.

I know people have posted about talking to EA's lawyers about stuff. Has anyone run this past them, to see what they'd say?

TSR is in cahoots with EA. The sooner folks believe that, the sooner they'll understand. :P EA helps TSR. Period. I'm not sure when people are going to believe me; the evidence just piles higher and higher!

I'm sorry, but I'd say its only a portion of EA that does.  Plenty of evidence that Drea does, but then, as someone suggested, she might have been in charge of the invites for the creator camp too.

EA or certain Maxoids? If EA only wants a general accounting of what is happening in that division and it's Steve's pals who are supplying it to them, well, there's the problem right there. One corrupt paysite that has connections within the Sims division could be costing EA millions in the long run, but that's not what their hearing. Maybe we should send any and all relevant information to the board of directors.

Even if EA is helping T$R, they aren't helping them all that much; Save for turning a blind eye to the EULA violation.

Big enough help right there. *sigh* :-\

EA is run extremely poorly. The Sims is a big money-maker for them, but so's their sports division, and they don't care about that community either. They are the most detached company I've ever seen. They don't know what's going on with paysites, and they like it that way. This is why TSR is able to exist, and it's why certain Maxoids can be paid under the table by an outside company which is hurting EA's bottom line.

Why not go to the media with it then?  If we can make the story sound attractive enough to the big names, they may decide to go to print with it.  Then EA is forced to deal with the issue because it will have gone public. 

Has anybody else noticed IdiotDrea's modification to her post? I find it interesting that she felt the need to add a "no, really!" edit to her own post. If this really is coming from the "management and legal team", why exactly would they need (or want) to speak through somebody that can't even spell the word "please"?

Could always contact G4 with it, I suppose - if any media unit would be interested it would be them.

Yeah, if it's all so legit, why won't she name names? 

I think it's because her middle name is "Chickenshit" maybe?

If it were legit, it would not be posted ONLY on BBS, land of the 12s

She might as well put 'Hi everyone,
Over the past several months, we’ve received questions about the End User License Agreement (EULA) that is in our games for The Sims 2 regarding custom content. Below is a statement from our Sims teamThomass and Steve at TSR. While there is no change to our End User License Agreement, we hope this clears up any confusion you might have regarding the EULA.
Thanks,
-MaxoidDrea

Maybe we could get Stephen Colbert to put TSR in his "Threat Down!", or at least on his notice board.

Drea has had some prominent role in the Creator's Camp business, although I am given to understand that some "Danforth"(?), or maybe "PanPan" person was the main contact. I'm pretty sure I have the name wrong, but it was someone other than Drea.

Oh, the possibility of more than one EA stooge being a TSR stooge as well is one I heartily entertain  -that or the person in charge asked around and was told TSr was awesomesauce by Drea.

_{*random delurk*}

(http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff131/JoATaMoN/sims/threatdown.jpg)

Done.

I love it!

YES! ;D

 Andrea Wendland, AKA Dreadful Drea is the CommunityTeam Manager, she handled all of the invites to the sims 3 camp, The Assistant CommunityTeam Manager, Sherrie Dandan organised the travel arrangements and helped answer any pre arrival questions. sherrie was the more public face for the 'minor attendees', whereas Andrea dealt more with Steve.

I know how I'd LIKE to deal with him...

So.. how much is tsr paying Drea?

And, apparently, having already driven out the more neutral maxoids, the way was now clear for her and Steve to cook up their latest interpretation of the EULA. It would also seem that, because the statement was so wishy-washy, she was at least aware that she was treading on some very thin ice.

I keep waiting for her to fall through...

Well it seems both Ole & Engelchen have both stated their case over @ GSC over Scotty's decision to ban Yakov. Their both taking their toys & flouncing.

http://www.gaysimsclub2.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=11842&pid=127922&st=0&#entry127922

Bugmenot has failed me. Can someone with access post some screenshots please?  ;)

 Has it been bahleeted? I click the link and get nothing.  :-\

Its been hidden till the admins there decide how to rip Engelchen to pieces as it appears she posted it with Olemantiker's login.

Thread is now open. Its unlocked for everyone to see.

Sorry guys, my mods locked and hid it until I could deal with it. I re opened it because I want everyone to see whats going on. I dont want to sweep it under the rug. I am pissed off at the moment. Oli and engelchen deleted all their crap from the GSC. Like that will change my mind. I am NOT going to reinstate Yakov. End of story.

Thank you for standing up for what you believe in.  It's refreshing to find someone these days that believes what they say and doesn't bend to pressure from others.  I really don't care of BBB wants to hate us, that's par for the course, but yeah, the "ass cancer" was taking it too far.  Even the explanation of "It was on Southpark" doesn't cut it.  "Ass cancer" isn't a fake illness and even he knew that, unless he wants to come forward and admit that he's one of the stupidest people on the planet.  It's a crude way of saying Colon cancer.

I can't believe someone could take their pixels so seriously.  The only thing I can think is that he's ill and the pain is making him crazy.  If that isn't the case, then he's just a stupid jerk.

Special note to BBB.  If you are reading this, which I'm sure you are, while you wish us "ass cancer."  I wish you nothing but the best.  What you said was crude, cold, and downright hateful, however, it is not worth wishing any ill upon your person.  When push comes to shove, it is all just a bunch of pixels.

Oh get this, Someone removed most of Yakov's downloads. I'm sure it was Oli or engelchen that did it. The funny thing is, most of those creations are Marvine's, and I think she is on our side with this one. Yakov, if you are reading this, a hearty Fuck You. The same for Oli and engelchen. Yes, this is JUST a game. They are the ones that causes this drama. Both of them have been banned. Have fun with Yakov dears!

Oh Paalese!
If you're gonna flounce, at least have the consideration to do so with some flair and pizazz. I mean really. Gawd! That was pathetic. Send them a bill for the waambulance.

Anyway Scotty, sorry you're stuck in the middle of their little (and I mean little) moronic clusterfuck.

Looks like the only way to keep supporting paysites like TSR, is to lie to yourself that all pirates are jelous, hackers and unproductive.

Sorry to hear about your trouble Scotty, but never doubt that you did the right thing. Usually doing the right thing will be harder than doing anything else.

(Also, wtf is up with telling everyone from what places pus and blood are oozing and who died, and then berating on being selfish for sharing their own problems and happenings? I guess that right is only reserved for them?)

Kere has stated Marvine wants her creations to remain on GSC where she posted them.

I had liked Oli's stuff, but am going to be removing it from my game as I don't make a whole lot of houses that call for space windows and shit like that. Too bad he turned out to be such a fuckwit, yanno? Scotty, they need to get over themselves and figure out that it's YOUR site, not theirs and deleting content they had nothing to do with making is really nothing but vandalism. Petty fuckers.

There's really not anything I can think of that BBB made that's terribly unique. All the body builder stuff was and is Marvine's work, not his. Everyone thinks he made the body builder meshes, but he didn't. He took parts of Marvine's work and made new things. He always gave her credit, but somehow everyone still thinks he is a major creator of some sort.

People have been making excuses for him forever. Remember the tasteless dig at HP? The old lesbian beer? She's straight btw, so why it was OK for him to make his teen-age "that's so gay" joke is beyond me. Even when he went to TSR, people at PMBD tried to justify it while attacking free, though bitchy, creators. I'd link to the thread, but I'm far too lazy.

I think it's because he can be very nice and supportive, especially on an individual level.

Well, when the whole InSIM thing blew up, I hunted Oli down and asked him to come back. I also personally asked engelchen to join us as a Community Artist. As for Marvine, I asked Kere to let her know that her things were deleted. I dont think she is going to be too happy about that. It just pisses be off, because they are punishing everyone else because of a beef they have with me. I know I did the right thing. Too bad they cant see it that way.

Sorry to jump back a page, but I just want to second what Darqstar said. Scotty, I think its great that you stuck to your principles and didnt waiver to others' demands. It gives me hope that there are still decent people in this community. except for here, of course ::) If more people in this world stuck to their beliefs like Scotty, it'd probably be a less fucked-up place.

There's some discussion of Beos somewhere in this thread: http://phorum.mustnotbenamed.com/index.php/topic,1595.0.html

It's 36 pages, so good luck. It's not on pages 1-10.

It starts here: http://phorum.mustnotbenamed.com/index.php/topic,1595.285.html

I think we were pretty nice to him in fact. There was a lot more ripping of others.

So, now the three of them can have a circlejerk.   ;D

Well it seems it all boils down to Pay vs Free. Ole & Her both quoting over & over again even though she said in one quote it was the only time she was going mention it.

You can give them a parting gift Scotty ;)

(http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/68b8718c1da715095c36a5edb359f29d4g.jpg)

And it's reusable!

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v451/Witchboy/Ole1.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v451/Witchboy/Ole2.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v451/Witchboy/Ole3.jpg)

Thanks, lol. This is exactly how I'm feeling at the moment too. :)

12s will be 12s, Scotty. I caught her (?) rant last night and was only a little surprised. Obviously, that lunatic beos is orchestrating all of this as a way of getting back at you. So let his fangurls crawl back up his ass where they belong. That really is the best place for them. There, they can come up with even more creative ways of explaining away his idiotic behavior as well as wish death on everyone else to their heart's content. They deserve each other.

Is there anyway we can make another exception and put the flouncing diva's creations in the booty?  I know we can't make beos any more insane than he already is but it might be worth a shot.

Oh who the hell cares. The more attention you give them, the more they like it anyway. It's not like the Holy Grail was lost to you, it's a bunch of lying creators that's trying to blackmail/punish you for standing up to a narcissist that thinks that everything he does and says is justified and/or excusable.
Fact is, if this were the other way around, and a pirate said that everyone that owns a paysite and/or is pro paysite should  get ass cancer, the same person would go batshit crazy on your ass, going on about how morally depraved the 'filthy pirates' are, etc. There would be NO leaving GS2 for them, if a pirate creator was banned and their stuff made while working together with someone else, was still up. So I'd say baaibaai.

I'm kind of surprised that anyone is surprised. Beos was always a complete jerk with a stratospheric opinion of himself. I'm sorry he's sick, but assholes get sick too, and that doesn't make him less of an asshole.

As for elemantiker: Hypocrite. I'm sorry he had an illness. He needs to realize he's not the only one who's ever been sick, though. Some of the people Beos has been wishing ass cancer on have been through worse. It's not an excuse.

By the way, no, I've never actually wished anyone would die a wretched death. I've made jokes, but never actually wished death on anyone. Forget the internet, I've had some serious enemies in real life, and all I've wished was that they'd go away.

Sims Cave  ;)

If you can get her crap in the booty, your more than welcome to it. She deleted it from the GSC completely, and I dont know where else she has it. She may have it at All4Sims. And while your at it, you can add Oli's stuff too. But I honestly don't think it's worth it. The only thing I'm really pissed off about is losing Marvine's exclusives that were at the GSC. She had NO say in that matter, Yakov took that away from her.

Oh, and Oli has been trying to get in with bugmenot. So I IP banned all three of them. Hopefully this will die down soon, and their 15 minutes of fame will go with hem

Well, I can't really think of how to afflict ass-cancer on someone, and frankly it's not very funny, so how about if I just wish for the fleas of a thousand camels to infest their armpits?

Clearly, he wasn't enough of an asshole. Me, I shrug off diseases that fell lesser beings by my sheer nastiness. Incidentally, I think he's a wussy and deserved it.

I have, but I never say so in public. It's bad for my alibi. You know you've hit a turning point when I stop piling on abuse and calls for your horrible death.

That's a common joke/saying in english speaking parts of the world, right?

Very distastefull. About as distastefull as those weird fundamentalist christians that protest at soldier funerals and say people deserve to die because of this and that. But yeah what do I expect XD

'DEATH TO CALALILY' comes close, but if it's a wretched death, we'll have to see. Add it and I will be able to rant and rave about you too.  :D

*de-lurking*

someone very quietly had a deletion session with Marvine's stuff at Insim too (although it's more than obvious who that someone is). It's recently come to light with a number of complaints about not being able to find her meshes for various things

Marvine was happy for her stuff to stay at insim too, so she's going to be doubly unhappy

I have to now point out Yakov's reply to Numenor that was quoted about a gazillion pages back by Devilfish where he says that he respects other creators TOU....

hypocrite much?

It's just appalling that someone would delete another persons work that they've worked hard for (In which case Marvine).

Marvine will be absolutely furious if not very unhappy as it's her work that someone else exploited to use for their own advantage.

Hopefully someone will have all of Marvines files somewhere so that we can re-upload them.

I believe I have some of her stuff, but I don't think it's anything that we're missing. We're trying to compile a list now of what's been removed and if any of you are members over to InSIM and have found that items are missing or giving you a 404 Error, please post in the thread we've got going in the WCIF section so we know what in the hell to search for??

I don't have any of them but is anyone able to contact Marvine and and see what her opinion is of them being hosted at someplace like Simscave.  If she has left the community and wants her things to still be available somewhere that they wont be deleted then once we get her permission we can talk to them and gather the items from the community.  I guess they could also be hosted somewhere like the graveyard.   :-\

Oh, Yakov can't do a damn thing at InSIM beyond read. We've got that one handled. We do have Marvine's complete permission to host her stuff, but due to someone going through and removing stuff because they had her log in details, not naming names, we have to first recover what we've lost. Said person also can't get to her log in any more because sadly, we've had to take the same lock down where she's concerned until she can change those details.

Sadly, I may have to do the same thing until I hear from her. I'll see if Kere can get a hold of her, and tell her what you said, Paden. I should have thought of this myself. I am starting to get a headache. :(

Honey, your headache and my stomach problems go hand in hand. I feel for ya, I truly do.

*hands around more rum, and popcorn and popcorn balls made with rum and shares her cats around too* Except for my daughter of basement cat, she's not a very soothing personality.

What makes this worse, is that Marvine apparently trusted the turtle's egg, and he goes and betrays that trust.  Fucker.

Well it's nice to see that they've decided to put on their big girl panties and be mature about it all. I'm sure they wouldn't want to be seen as petty.

Ok question. Who do they think they're actually hurting?

Anyone that won't kiss the ass of the great Yakov, of course. I have so many things I could say and likely will say in private, but this is garbage. So much for respecting the terms and wishes of a creator, huh? Like Ali said, but in my words, "Hey, Yakov, hypocrite much? You dumped Marvine when she retired and now you try to dictate where her files can be hosted? It doesn't work that way, and neither does the world."

The whole ungrateful sims community no doubt. Maybe Marvine who had the audacity to have all the talent and none of the hubris or asshattery.

I don't know if this has been posted here yet or not, I couldn't see it, but EA has put a notice up about the EULA on the main page, linking to the post that Drea made.

http://thesims2.ea.com/news/detail.php?id=1708 (http://thesims2.ea.com/news/detail.php?id=1708)

Not much of an announcment I'm afraid.

Gesh, let's continue to be wishy-washy.  They might as well say, "We can't change the EULA, then you basically resell the game.  But we really really love Thomas and Steve, so we're going to make this vauge statement and hope you buy it. " 

You can't have it both ways, EA.  Either it's all right or it's not. 

I love the 'I'm not posting this without the permission of our sims team which includes management and legal.'

Either she's lying, or their legal department got their degrees out of a box of cracker jacks.

"Sims legal team"? What? It's EA's legal team that matters. What, they have a separate legal team for each game? That sounds... unlikely.

And even if this "legal team" got their degrees out of Cracker Jack boxes, they cannot void parts of a contract retroactively, and if they say we can ignore one part of the contract, then we get to say we ignore other parts too.

I notice they aren't going to add that to the EULA.  I read that as if you buy it you own it, so do with it what you will.  Awesome! I'll post up pay items for free.  Thank you for your permission EA! ;D

Actually, get a pay item from the store. Recolor it the teensiest bit. You are now an artist and may do with it what you will.

Reverse engineer the expansion packs. Change the descriptions of one item in each of them. Re-package and re-sell them.

Yeah, there is no way a legal team okay'd this statement if they know what's actually behind it, and if they realize the intent is not to charge to pay for bandwidth, but to charge for and make a profit from .package files.

Thomas has offered extra incentive money to FA’s who post about Drea's statement in their blog!? Now come on Coconut, why didn't most of the FAs post about it in their blogs then? I thought they all were money hungry.
I think you should either admit that this is a lie or prove it:)

Somehow I don't think anyone involved, EAxis, Drea, A$$, Steven, and whatever other buttlicker du jour will be able to get the reaction they want from us because they are too scared to do exactly what it would take to get it down.  EAxis would have to police the exchange constantly, which they don't have the time to do.  Saying "it's really ok" without an actuall legal change to the EULA can't exactly stop the signal. 

Wipe,

coconut's information has proven reliable time and time again. Who the fuck are you?

edit - didn't think so

I'd like to post a MATYland comic which explains the BBB situation.

(http://i41.tinypic.com/208e7w3.jpg)

A speshul TSR comic is to come.

Edit: Here it is:
(http://static.stripgenerator.com/generated/giggy6004/tmp/image_1236497436.png)

BTW: The fish head guy is Pescado.

I love it when people like Dime go, "hah hah gotcha!" They are so ignorant that their "gotchas" never have any substance, but you'll never convince them of that.

I'm going to steal some of the missing stuff off of asshat BBBs site and upload it to Insim.

Edit: Done, some of the stuff should be on insim now.

*huge hugs* for you giggy, those comics made my day.

Yeah, there were times when she proved that she's right with screenshots. But that doesn't mean everything she says is true. Now coconut, shame on you! People here trust you, why'd you lie to them? And why do you keep deleting my comment on your site? Because you can't prove anything?

Why don't you prove coconut is lying?  Why should we trust you? I would trust coconut's word any day over some random moron who comes here just to stir shit. in fact, I would trust coconut's word over many people's that I know in real life.

Edited for word order.

Umm, can you not read?


 
 You have your proof right there. ^  I guess T$R does brainwash you, you can't see what is right in front of your face. Go back home and tell Thoma$$ that you tried, really hard.  ::) Maybe you can still shine his shoes.

Dime, prove it. If you have reason for saying she is lieing then prove it. If you have no evidence to base your opinion on, then why should people believe what you say?

Boring troll is boring.

And in the spirit of boring is Beosboxboy's response to both us and his banning:

http://beosboxboy.blogspot.com/2009/03/just-for-record.html (http://beosboxboy.blogspot.com/2009/03/just-for-record.html)

My favorite line is, "I find it ironic that my juvenile and feeble bad joke could be so distorted and blown out of all proportion."

DOT, estatica, evi, Murano, Padre333, Pinecat and ulkrhsn posted about Drea's statement in their blogs then, correct me if I'm wrong. As far as I know there are over 60 FAs at TSR. Why wouldn't the other ones post it too? (You keep saying FAs would do anything for money, why wouldn't they post a blog entry?) Well, I know that those FAs didn't get extra money to post it. It's up to you to believe coconut.

Coconut proved herself reliable in the past. But now that she won your trust she thinks you will believe every word she says even if she doesn't have evidence. Good luck you idiots, wait for coconut to prove what she's saying.

Hello little TSR agent. It was just proven that FA's are posting about it.   Dime = Fail

Now you're bitching that a comment keeps getting deleted.  Well, post it here, no one will erase it.  We'll just point and laugh.  Unless, your comment is about being unable to "prove it" with screen shots.  In which case, see above.  But, no matter, Dime = Fail.


Your prize?



Edit starts here:


Because, you see, it really doesn't matter much in the big picture.  I, for one, believe Coconut, but mostly because it doesn't really matter, so why would she lie?  In light of everything that has happened, Thomas offering extra money to FA's for posting about it in their blog is a relatively minor thing.

And not all FA's are on board with Thomas and his little plans. I know of at least one FA who doesn't give a damn that their items are in the booty, that its not their problem to worry about.  Yes, I have this in writing.  No, I'm not gong to post it, because it was told in confidence to someone else, not me. 

There are a million reasons why not every FA ran eagerly to their journal to post what Thomas asked them.   I could list them all, but I won't be bothered.

Why would Coconut lie about something so trivial?  In truth, if Thomas really does believe that he's just been given a green light to go forward and continue what he's doing with nothing but blessings heaped upon his little head, which I really do believe, then him offering money to spread the word seems a relatively minor thing at best.  It's more of an amusement than evidence that he's evil.

Atwat, is that you?

Why would your 'FA friends' tell you the truth? You have nothing to do with T$R anymore. They might be nice to you to your face but you can bet your bottom dollar (or dime :P) that they bitch about you behind your back. Get some dignity, woman and bow out of the stinking cesspool that is T$R.

[fake edit] Sorta ninja'd by Darqstar, but still posting anyway.

I doubt it, not enough ...

Umm, because she's pissed at Drea's statement and would do anything to make TSR look bad?

Coconut doesn't have to do anything to make T$R look bad. T$R does that all on its own...

Yes there are 60 FAs, but you have just pointed out that the big name & popular FAs have posted about it, so every little T$R sheeple will see their woops about it.

Because obviously coconut has been posting for more than two years in order to gain our trust just so they could hoodwink us over something like this.  All because of Drea!  I mean, it is a master plan.  I know that I would post screenshots that showed the truth behind TSR's lies for two years just so I could then lie about something like this.  I am sure that this is just what coconut has been waiting to do.  It is so clear now! Thanks so much Dime for showing me the truth and the way! What would I have done without your insightful posts that show me how wrong headed I have been!

Moron.

 TSR looked bad before Coconut said anything about this. TSR has made TSR look bad, not Coconut. Dumbass...

I love how you only picked one tiny thing my post. But, I'll answer it, because apparently, you're stupid and need to be told things.  (By the way hon, it's in with the good air, out with the bad, 'kay?) 

Thomas paying FA's to write about this non change to the Eula is nothing.  It really doesn't even make Thomas look any worse than he already has.  Think of it like this; imagine if someone you knew, maybe your boss, a neighbor, whatever, was caught with a stash full of kiddie porn and a child locked up in the basement for them to play with.  That's horrifiying, right?  Now, imagine that the press reports a few weeks after this person was caught and exposed, that they are also *gasp* a jaywalker!

In light of the child porn and child enslavement, being a jaywalker is a pretty trivial thing.  It really isn't gong to change anyone's opinion on the person one way or the other.  So, what is the point of lying? 

If Coconut makes a real damming statement about TSR, she backs it.   But in this case, it's so minor that if you want to believe it or not, it doesn't matter.  It's a mere jaywalking in the scheme of things. 

If Coconut said, "Thomas was so happy about this announcement, that he tracked down WellKnownPirate X and beat the shit out of him/her" then, she'd better have some serious proof, because that is something very important and no one is going to believe without proof.

And, why don't you post the proof that Thomas didn't say it?  Or at least post his "secret" announcement in the "Sooper Sekret FoRUM" about the change of policy,  so we can see it wasn't mentioned there.  It still isn't complete proof, but it will at least show you might not be talking completely out of your asshole.  Not that it matters, either way.  After someone shared personal details about other people, banned folks for POSSIBLY being pirates and allowed his FA's to post PHONE numbers of other members for the sole purposes of harassing them, him offering money to promote his cause is a tiny matter.

Now, come back with some dumb ass reply, basically accusing us of blindly following whatever coconut says.  And when you scamper back to tell Thomas that you were a good girl and get that golden cookie, or mercy fuck, or whatever he's going to give you?  Tell him the next time he sends someone to make sure they have more than .05 of a brain. 

Boring TSR agent is boring.


Edit reason: Clarify.  I forgot a couple words. 

Purposely ignoring Dime's failsauce arguement

Is anyone else amused that DOT put Drea's staement in her blog like four times on four different days and didnt comment on it or anything? Maybe she thinks she'll get extra money if she posts it more than once..dumbass

See now he's getting all tl;dr on us. Meh. Dude just quote some lyrics and move on already.

I just posted on BBB's blog. I wanted to tell you all about it, because I know he'll delete it.

I told him I hope he gets AIDS. It's not a real disease since they joked about it on South Park.
I also mentioned that the only reason it's funny on South Park is because they are making fun of the type of jackasses that would say something like that.
I also said that he needs to quit thinking he's god's gift to the sims, since there are so many good creators out there that share their stuff for free. We will all do just fine without his crappy second-hand creations.

There was more, but I don't want to repeat myself too much. I'm sure no one will see it but him. Fine with me. I was speaking to him directly and personally. I just wanted to say something to you guys, so you know where I stand.

Darqstar, how exactly do you want me to prove something that doesn't exist? It's coconut who claims there's such a thing, not me. I'm still waiting for coconut to prove it. Coconut, are you hiding?

We've given you proof that it exists.

By the way, you've now posted enough that I think I'm getting a pretty good idea of who you are, just from comparing your writing style to other posts I've read. But by all means, keep arguing; more evidence is always a good thing.

You ever heard of this thing called Real Life? Maybe you should check it out sometime, people aren't going to respond to you instantly ;)

Again, you don't read very well do you.  Read what you quoted again and think about it for awhile.  I even highlighted parts of it, so you know just what to focus on. I know you can't prove what someone didn't say, but you can post a screen shot of an area where we would expect such things to be said and show us that even though Thomas talked about the announcement, he didn't say anything about FA's posting in their blog.   Again, it's not proof positive, but again, in the scheme of things this is not nearly as terrible as you want us to think it is.  

Let me put this in brass tacks.   I don't really give a damn if Thomas did offer money for people to post it in their blogs or not.  I don't think anyone here really gives a damn.  It's a minor issue at best.  I don't think Coconut really cares either, it's just one more amusing thing in the vast sea of stupid, know as TSR.  If it was at all important she would have proof, or she never would have brought it up.  

If Coconut is going to make up things about Thomas, she can do far better than him offering extra $$ to FA's for doing his dirty work.  

And, I think you're trying to get coconut to "prove" it because someone from TSR sent you over here, and like a good little lapdog, you ran off to do their bidding.  But, I think Thomas whoever sent you is hoping Coconut will post his or her screen shots, and somehow, those screenshots will help narrow down who Coconut is.   So, run back and tell Thomas that it didn't work.  

And Thomas?  Sending Solander over worked better than this one.  Try to pick a slightly smarter idiot out of the pool next time.

This little TSR puppet seems to have distracted us from talking about these things:
1) Drea's statement is hogwash
2) If it weren't hogwash, it would negate the EULA entirely

Distraction and obfuscation are really the only weapons they've got. Pretty pathetic.

 Dime seems to not realise that there is many EX Fa's and Sa's out there who can back much of what coconuts writes.  At Least 2 on the forum I know of, so Dime is preaching to the wrong crowd.

And that is the real reason you are here, isn't it Dime?  Good luck next time.  Maybe Thomas will still pay you.

Why stop us from talking about it? We've hashed it out several time.  There really isn't much we can add to it, is there?  Although I do admit that I find it ironic that when  this (http://www.simscave.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=223.0;attach=56;image)letter was floating about, TSR didn't stop charging until it could be cleared up, yet TSR and Paysites want us to drop everything we're doing and destroy the booty, because a Maxoid said "Hey, paysites are cool by us!"  

Dime should be ignored. Don't lick the tard/troll otherwise I'll splash you with listerine!

I'm not trying to get people to stop talking about it. I just think it's interesting and important, that they can't attack our arguments so they try to distract with a side issue.

What side issue?  Dimes aren't worth enough to bother paying attention to.

Dime, as Darqstar pointed out, is obviously trying to get Coconut to post proof as some kind of lame trap set by Thomas. 

Dimes are small change that belong in small jars on the dresser until you can take them into the bank and exchange them for something that actually matters.

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Ah, okay.  Misunderstood.   

On topic random remark:  Paysites aren't worth a dime. 

Because BBB, colon cancer is real and eating shit is as well. We know you enjoy the latter, but not everyone else does. Telling someone to go die of cancer is more offensive then telling someone to go eat shit.

Now, I hope you go eat shit and die. (See, that's funny because people say that on tv lolz!! If you don't agree with my sense of humor you can't understand black comedyz. You should grow a funny bone or get ass cancer!!11)

Fortunately, Coconut isn't stupid enough to show all his/ her cards just because you demand to see them. It doesn't mean that he/ she doesn't have them.

I'm talking about Dime of course. I forgot to read the last page before posting this, so the moment may have passed.

Dime means "tell me" in Spanish... I´m wondering if this moron is on some purposed unfunny joke.

Look, we've talked the "ass cancer" and "Drea's Drivel" threads to the point where they are both masticated mush.  We all agree.  Dime's hysterical babbling is irrelevant. 

However, the topic that died very quickly because something else came up is the one that really bothers me.  It was this: http://blackpearlsims.com/showthread.php?t=23460

How the heck was this accomplished, why did it suddenly start up if it had been before, and what the heck was the Evil Empire trying to accomplish?  Why hasn't coconut mentioned it? 

It looks to me like an attempt to spy on, or control any site who have linked to or had creators on TSR, and I think that's a lot more scarey than some wishful thinking on TSR's part.  And it seems to point direct to TSR.

I thought it *was* shown what the problem was, web ring code that went wonky.  Remove the webring from the webpage and it goes away. Paleoanth you're ugly.

And wouldn't bringing this back up be more appropriate in the TSR thread?  Since it is a problem with TSR?  Just sayin'...

I thought we had already talked about that, awhile ago.  ???

On page two of the same thread you linked, Cala explains (http://blackpearlsims.com/showpost.php?p=362553&postcount=17) what happened.  Apparently it was a link darqstar you are stupid to TSR that was causing the problem.  Once it was removed, all was OK.

I'm picking up on some not very suble subliminal insults.

Yes, they seem to be occurring in other threads as well. Can't you just feel the love? :D

I thought I was losing my danged mind, thank GOD I'm not the only one seeing that!

It's a conspiracy!

No they're brainwashing us  ;D

You mean the thing that says, "sex, sex, sex" in Pescado's Avi?

Sorry about the webring thing.  I'm still pretty fried from the weekend.  We went out of town for about 36 hours, 24 of which were on the road.  And as we're sitting there so stiff we can barely move the Spousal Unit suddenly looks up from his condensed caffiene and chirps, "If I'd had another driver we could have day-tripped it!"

My biggest complaint about many of the paysites that bitch and moan about "the pirates stealing my creations", if you examine their content, that Prada bag, those Gucci or Louis Vuitton re-colors, those meshes of Pottery Barn and Ikea (only the Maxis stuff pack items are officially endorsed) furniture and that photo skinned sim of some famous actor or actress, etc, etc, etc, how much of a fee did they pay the holders of those copyrights? And, better yet, did they remember to claim their income on their taxes?? It's very much a case of pot-kettle to me.

OMG I said A$$CANCER! SOWWEY! (http://beosboxboy.blogspot.com/2009/03/darker-comedy-than-i-knew.html)

I'm really not going to forgive him for what he said. He was such an asshole and shouldn't have said it in the first place. No apology cake from me because it was too late for that! (I know it's irritating to mention him but make it the last one, no really, I had enough of this bullshit!)

Okay, uh... Maybe I'm crazy, but I found that kinda cute. Aw, sad guy is sad! Hey, well, if it's all a bunch of crap, fine. If it's not, maybe he'll come out a better person in general. Either way, the ass cancer was out of line. And at the end of the day he's still at T$R, so... arr.

I can't help wondering what exactly EA legal (not drea) would say if all the store items were "recolored" and posted for sale. Since they don't seem to mind if the EULA is broken.  :D If they're uploaded to the Exchange, aren't the meshes included? Is this already happening with store items or does anyone know? *trying to keep mind from wandering off topic*  ::)

I don't think you're crazy, I found it pretty sad myself. 

I'm not going to harbor a grudge.  He said some nasty stuff, but it sounds like he got hurt much more than he hurt us (Or, me at least, I cannot and will not speak for everyone)  He had to lose someone he really cares about as a friend to get a wake up call that he's pushing things.  I think he's paid his dues.  What he said was mean, but it was just words.  That's a rough thing, because we're told all the time that friends stick with each other through thick and thin, friends love you, even when you're not at your best, so on and so forth.  I find it to be bullshit for the most part, most people are all too eager to end a friendship if they think you're no longer useful to them for whatever reasons, but we're always getting this message from society, "Oh, a friend love you enough to put up with you when you're being a jerk!"  "A friend is always there for you!"  Blah blah blah.  No one says, "A friend is only a friend until you have a really bad spell and are acting like a jerk.  Then a friend will tell you you're an asshole and get the hell out of your life." 

I'm willing to shrug it off, if he's really learned something from it. 


Requip, someone mentioned in another thread that they had downloaded stuff from the Exchange with store items in it, and that the items worked fine.  I can't remember who it was, but if I find the thread again, I'll send you a link. 

Just to add my .02 cents on BBB, perhaps the friend had stood by him many times in the past. Sometimes people can only stand so much and then they finally had it. Scotty said as much when he posted about banning BBB. Friendship is a two way street and yes, sometimes people on both sides act like jackasses and they make up and go on. But if one friend is always a jackass and never seems to change, then it is time to move on for your own sanity and maybe to stop being a crutch for the jackass in question. Maybe then the friend will wake up as I hope BBB has and realize what he destroyed. What BBB said about cancer (not just colon cancer) was immature and uninformed. If he suffers from a terminal illness, I pray his last days will be filled with peace and that he not know the pain that my husband's grandmother suffered the last month or so of her life as she died from liver cancer.

As for the items from the Exchange store, I wish I could be able to download them, but they don't download on a regular Mac like mine. I don't have an Intel Mac. And Maxis was nice and used to share the free items from the site with Aspyr to recode. EA sure is a bunch of greedy, non caring people.

Actually, it sounds like he was pushing away this friend, to keep from being an asshole, and failed.

Honestly, I hope he does read this place.  I for one wanted to comment that I didn't hate him, but felt sorry for him.  It seems he has a lot of growing up to do, and hopefully this does the trick.

Me, I know that its just as important to let your friends give to you as it is for them to let you give to them - whther it be gifts, help or just being there.  And that's as hard a lesson to learn as the one about taking and never giving being bad.

It's definately not the hundreds of posts that he had hurt people in the community that made him change his mind. Fully expecting he will pull another shitty thing on the community and not acknowledge what he causes (after the many, many shitty things he has already done), I will forgive what he said and not take personal offense anymore. Judging from his blog, he was out of controll and lashing out to reject that he made a mistake.
His business with his friend has very little to do with the situation between him and the community as a whole, and I doubt he will change his mind about us, ever.

Still love the friend I once had, don't like the person he is being. Big difference to me, though. I can love someone and hate their actions even when I understand them. I can care about what happens to them even after they've treated me like total shit. I can still wish them well even when they've thrown friendship back into my face. I can also walk away when the losses get to be too much and they've reduced what once was a good and warm relationship into browbeating and hatred. It's called cutting the losses and protecting yourself.

The bit about cancer and trying to blame the reference on pop culture doesn't cut it. I haven't watched that show since my daughter was a six and it was pretty bad then. I can only imagine it's gotten worse. BBB isn't going to change towards this community, and for some reason I highly doubt he's going to change outside of it as well. I read his blog last night before I went to bed and I remember thinking, "Your wake up call comes a bit late, but I wonder if you can change before the last of your friends take their leave of you? Good luck, you're going to need it."

A person can only take being belted emotionally for so long before they become numb to it or sick to death of it and then slag back or walk out. Illness doesn't excuse one person abusing another, nor does anything else. Just because a person cares about you doesn't mean they're going to let you heap shit on them constantly and it sounds like Beos finally learned that.

"Somehow, to me, simply warning people I am an asshole and selfish came to excuse the fact I am."   -Beos

This is the part that seems to me to be the real problem for him.  Just because you admit you are an asshole doesn't mean you don't still have consequences for your actions.  That seems to be where he is with this.  I know a lot of people that seem to think that "as long as I admit and warn people that I am a jerk then that makes it okay" but it doesn't.  You will allow people to have realistic expectations of you but that doesn't mean your actions will be excused. Hopefully, this is a lesson he has learned.  I will wait and see. After all he has warned me that he is a selfish asshole and I have every reason to take his word for plus I have seen it in action so I may just allow the natural consequences of his actions determine what happens.


Just my 2 cents.

It does when said friend is a part of this very community. I happen to know who it is but cannot say.

I'm of two minds with people who are self-described assholes.

There's the type that think that stating this is a free pass to be an asshole to everyone, without any reason, and without any one calling them out on their poor behavior.

Then there's the type that use the statement to inform people out there that they don't mince words with false niceties if the situation warrants harsh words.

Most people fall into the former category, but I have no problem with the latter.  I have no problem with people who are assholes when they have a reason to be.  It's when every single thing you do or say is assholish that you lose worth as a friend or colleague or acquaintance, in my eyes.

It's often a subtle difference, but I can see it.  To me, that's the difference between someone like BBB, who, from what I've seen, lashes out at every single person and thing, almost to "prove" his assholishness, and someone like Pescado, who lashes out a lot, but only at people and things that he deems deserving.

Then in my opinion that was unnecessary. It's a bit like putting your fingers in your ears and shouting "I know something you don't know!" . Forgive me if I am being a bitch, I have spent the past week with TWO sick toddlers and I rather feel like dumping acid on my head, as it would be less painful.

 My husband and I know someone who has the same problem attitude wise that BBB has. He got fired from his job because of it, but won't accept responsibility for it, he prefers to blame my husband. We are now having to deal with his girlfriend who is actively trying to get my husband fired in revenge. People like him don't change, and while I hate that he had to loose a friend, it's his own fault. Being an asshole is no excuse, no matter how open about you are.

Just to answer someones question  ( sorry if someone did answer, I did not see one) But yes the store items do show up if you download them in the exchange. That is how I ended up with some stuff.  When you use clean installer they do show up highlighted in red tho... but they work. At least in lots, not sure about sim stuff like hairs and clothes.

 That could be another site someone may want to tackle along with sim smut. A pay site with nothing but recolored store stuff. I would so do it but I have never recolored a darn thing. I had a fight with SimPE  when first trying to use it, and it won. We decided to part ways and never speak of the incident again.

My SimPE stopped working around Christmas and no matter how many times I install and reinstall it won't stop loading. I never get to the actual user interface, so I deleted it. I didn't use it for making stuff anyway, so really I just can't change skintones and stuff anymore.

Try telling Aunty Inge about simPE. She will make sure it has a red smacked bottom by the end of the day.

Also, try comepltely reinstalling everything.  I had a problem where it refused to load up any of the EA content for me to clone.  Reinstalled everything after deleting everything, and it fixed ir right up.

I'm not sure what he really means by his last two posts. One seems almost like an apology, but the most recent seems to take it all back. I don't have any hatred toward him, never have.

I think the most recent is him realizing he can't just change who he is, but that he can moderate his behavior.  Its how I read it, at least.  And he's right.  He's not going to change his intrinsic nature.  But he can grow up a bit and learn to modify his behavior in a moderate manner.

Beos should probably notice that the raven tried to change himself for all the wrong reasons, and the main one, vanity. There are better reasons to want to change, and a change doesn't have to be as huge as he thinks. Also - you can change the things you don't like to become a richer person, a little change for the right reason will definately not kill your personality. But - you'd have to actually want it.

I'd like to change my lazyness, but hey, I'm too lazy. Sorry.  ;D

He could start by not wishing cancer or other terminal illness on people and then being upset when they are offended.  :D

Don't fool yourself: Pescado is a right bastard. What he "deems deserving" of unleashing his dogs of war on covers a very wide range of behaviors; he has hurt a lot of people, and most of them aren't like Thomas. On PMBD you see his best side.

Beos bores me.

I prefer Pescado, as he is at least consistent and fairly predictable. Pescado is mean no matter what purposes of his own it serves - and can and has shot himself in the foot, and that I can deal with. Rain, hail or internet shine, Pescado is mean if you are helping, or if you are not.  Death to calalily no matter what purpose it serves - sort of like background noise and unrelated to the topic at hand. He doesn't have that dash of selfish manipulation that comes into it - and is as refreshing as someone who is nice all the time without ulterior motives.

Beosboxboy on the other hand is selfish - and that means that whatever serves his purpose at this point in time is dictating his behaviour.  He'll lash out for his own reasons, and then show contrition when it suits his purposes. Changeable behaviour on selfish whims is more than I can handle, as most of beosboxboy's behaviour is basically an extension of his own navel gazing - he's nasty to others because it's all about him. He'll share files he wants, but then demand you give him money for his files, speak nastily to those who he sees as not expedient right now with no thought in his selfish head that tomorrow he might be nice because he needs something from you. 

I don't really think Beos's self-serving behavior is really the issue here. After all, I am essentially selfish as well. The difference is that Beos expects others to behave better than he does. Even while he is a selfish jerk who cares about no one but himself, he expects others to be better than this. Me? I'm also a selfish jerk. However, I fully expect you to behave exactly the same. There is no hypocrisy, no expectation that I somehow deserve better treatment than I give to others.

Also, death to Calalily. If the Sims had ass-cancer, I would give it to you.

And lo! The grand Calalilly - Pescado lovefest doth continue  ;D

You're right, and I appreciate that about you. If there's one thing I hate, it's people who try to manipulate me for their own purposes, thinking I can be fooled into doing something.  I'll do what I want because I want to, the other person's motivations be damned.


Death to calalily indeed. Ass cancer is not spectacular enough - you can't see it, like you can Pescado in lingerie in flames. :D


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DEATH to CALALILY.

I've been thinking of another photoshoot for your sim. :D I did so enjoy the last one, and it pleased Emma soooo much. DEATH TO CALALILY will need sparkles or something as well, to press the point.

Your wish is my command:
(http://www.sublimesims.net/images/Animate.gif)

Perhaps I should dedicate it to you and make you the showcaser. :D

Awesome. I'm yet to have regular "death to skadi" moments.

I'll start.  DEATH TO SKADI  ;D

Sorry for going back a page, but BBB is in the fail-sauce category of asshole because he won't really admit to being one. Instead, he blames other people to make his assholeness seem justified.

OK back to the fun part  ;D

I love this idea & would do it in a heartbeat but am doubtful it would remain up long before Drea came in screaming.  :D
Also I can't recolor anything.  :P

Well neither can most people at TSR, that's never stopped them

That is the point.  Getting her to come running in saying "hey you can't do that" so we can point to her "clarification" and remind her to respect the creators wishes to share these new creations.  Unfortunately, I can only build so recolors are out of the question for me too.

It's probably not a good idea to give BBB's whining and finger-pointing too much attention. It will just show him that we all take every complaint seriously and probably fuels the fire. He deserves a good ignoring. I've never cared what he says and I haven't gone over read his blogs. I have better things to do.

I've always found Pescado's meanness to be sort of funny.

I can do recolors.  I can do lots of recolors if the idea isn't that they must be particularly well done recolors.  But I can flip around slider bars with the best of them.  Or, I can make decent enough ones.   ;D

She is way modest, if stupid.  She makes kick ass recolors.  In fact, she can take a mesh and make it look completely different. 

I did say I made decent enough recolors. I only meant to say that if someone wanted a ton of recolors real quickly, I could do that too, but the quality of the recolors will be poor if forced to put quantity over quality.   I'm starting to wonder if your ugliness has affected even your eyesight.  As for making meshes look totally different, I can do that with yours, because you make such great meshes, in such good styles, that recolors can change each one dramatically.   Like the Shaker dining room.  Those shaker chairs also look a lot like captain chairs, so it was easy to convert them into a nautical theme. 

A recolorist is only as good as her tools and your meshes make great tools to work with. 

I don't think the goal would be to make good recolors. It would be to churn out crap. The closer to the original, the better, and frankly the uglier, the better. I'm thinking Carla Niven for couches.

I'd be able to do some later next week.

Does this mean we're gonna see a meat slab couch with matching love seat, living chair, end tables and coffee table? *ducks and runs like all hell*

An entire meatslab suite would be amazing. Maybe some kitchen appliances with lots of tin foil and feathers. I also think that P & D should just get a room that a special Hommage a Buntuh section would be great for donations.

It would be astounding and amazing! I can think of so many eye-searing possibilities. We can't forget Atwa: how about a mustard yellow bedroom? A fuschia kitchen? All in "Egyptian" themes!

Do we get hieroglyphic and faintly pronographic images like she put out, too?

Nah. T$R = G-rated!  ::)

Bootbrisket at MTS2 did one back in 2005. It's called The Raw Meat Suite :D

http://www.modthesims2.com/download.php?t=84657

Did anybody notice that Drea updated her post? Sorry if it was mentioned already and I missed it. She added -



"EDIT: I'm not posting this without the permission of our Sims team. Just to be clear, this statement is coming from our Sims team which includes all management for all of our games and our Sims legal team."


http://thesims2.ea.com/news/detail.php?id=1708

Uh huh, yeah. The day she starts to talk without Thomas pulling on her pull string might be the day that I start to believe it. Someone with some actual authority needs to come on and say this shit, not some jumped up little pissant bitch that takes money from a third party to promote their agenda. I don't have proof that they pay her, but why else would their heads be shoved so far up each other's asses?

It feels like a direct comment to the discussion earlier in this thread. She must have been sneaking around in here. That's bone-chilling.

Doesn't have to have been her, though it wouldn't surprise me that much.  It could be anyone getting back to Thomass too - since he's the one pushing buttons.

When is he going to hit the big red one that blows his site out of the water? (You remember the big red one, it's the one in the Bugs Bunny cartoons that they tell us never to push. And if we do push it, they have a nifty blue one they'll sell us for the low, low price of $199.99!) :D

I'm sick to death of EA and I'm not spending another penny on their products. I don't have 3 of the SP and if I want them I'll get them used on Amazon so that my money won't go to the corporation. I hope people don't stop creating for TS2 when TS3 comes out like they did with TS1. But if EA gets their way, they won't be able to create for it anyway, unless they buy a license or something.

Wouldn't be surprised, I'm getting the feeling that she's got a personal mission set out in her head.  ::) It is creepy, but it's not anything that wasn't being stated over at the BBS anyway. Personally, I thought it was kind of funny that she thought basically adding "I'm not lying!" to her post was somehow going to add legitimacy.

Could also have been in response to the BBSer's.  They were very vocal and accusatory of her being influenced by others or maybe speaking on behalf of TSR.  There were many threads that could have caused that sort of reaction.  Not to say she doesn't hang here though.  She has been known to be at Maty so why not here.

Does anybody know if Drea is the same maxoid who pitched a fit about the Ikea lamps over at MATY?

Edited because I accidentally hit "quote" before. *smacks forehead*

Yeah it was, cause the title of the thread is Suck it Drea, or something like that.

Yeah, she was the one who came in and went mental about recovering a "lost" item from the Ikea pack, even though EAxis had previously said they were happy for simmers to "find" stuff and distribute it a la Numenor. Popular thought at the time was that they were supposed to be released in the sims 2 store, as a rabid BBSer had made a "story" of all the stuff you could buy in game, and it included those lamps.

Original quote.

At the time, we were wondering WTF was in her head.

Honestly, I'm not even sure that was a real EAxoid Drea. I think it was an impostor, as the email format does not match the EAxis corporate format. I know what EAxoidDrea's real email is, and that ain't it.

Besides being popular with attention seeking FA's (like you, DOT) who don't care what's being said about them as long as something is being said about them, PMBD is also the place to go to be down with the down and in. But I look forward to Drea's next addendum which will, no doubt, clarify the matter.

Stuff packs are not worth wasting money on, even if its used. Remember where you ARR. Unless you're not into that sort of thing. I got them because there were some nom nomable lots on MTS2 that required them.

You owe me a new keyboard.  Mine is now dripping with tea. 

I don't think I will want them anyway. I only got the ones I have for meshes for AAS clothes that I wanted. I am morally opposed to them, but I get them Sims longing sometimes and breakdown.


Could Drea have a not-so-secret email? Maybe she wants it look like an imposter or something. But that doesn't make sense. If didn't want people to know it was her she could have made an anonymous account with yahoo.

Speaking of the BBS (aka not knowing where to post this), they are looking to add new asses to their staff:

http://bbs.thesims2.ea.com/community/bbs/messages.php?threadID=4f2e00a3bceccfdc0eefd5eefe46abde&directoryID=2&startRow=1&openItemID=item.2,item.43,item.61,item.104,item.41,item.23

Notice there is no mention of artistic talent as a requirement. I think my total lack of interpersonal skills would prevent me from doing that job. Wouldn't want it anyway.

Maybe they are assuming that knowing how to use photoshop includes talent?  And honestly, telecommuting would work just fine, so why do folks have to be local?

It's hard to brainwash from a distance. 

Welcome to TS3sweatshopStore!

 :D I'm in the bay area. That's commutable. However, I have zero knowledge of Maya, so becoming a piratey spy wouldn't work for me.

They'd probably want to do a full check on you anyway, to make sure you weren't a pirate spy, because  you know, TSR might get mad if  a pirate was hired.  And TSR makes the bribes rules. 

Do you think that we'll hear a big announcement in a few weeks from TSR saying that DOT and Padre are new EA employees?

Its temp work though - only for a week or so.

I tried Maya once.  I was able to finish the tutorial dome thingie on pillars, but the person who wrote the tutorial assumed that I would remember High School geometry and was sadly mistaken.  I probably forgot everything I learned within a week of finishing the course and that wasn't much since I barely passed.  (I flunked the second semester of beginning algebra.)

Since I don't conceptualize 3D very well--probably because I don't have much depth vision to begin with--I decided that meshing just wasn't for me.  Same reason I don't sew much, if can't imagine what a pattern should work like on a human body you're not going to be very good at it.  This is a pain because historical costume research has been a hobby for the past 40 years.

I do halfway decent houses though. It's just that I use so much CC in designing them that I don't feel right putting them up anywhere. 

Scurvy, thats why when I know I'm going to upload a house, I turn off cc and use EA content only, that way I don't have to worry about trying to figure who made what and if it breaks their TOU.

I know that, but sometimes the house just wouldn't work right with EA stuff only.

Honestly, if you use mostly stuff from mts for your house and upload there, it keeps track of who made what.  And if you mostly stick to stuff that's got a friendly tou, then its not a problem there either.

That's how I handle it, because I -like- showcasing other people's stuff.  Partially because it makes me get happy to see other people use my stuff for uploads, and partially because it seems a good way to give back to the community.

The only problem I have with houses that are stuffed with CC, is that it really bulks out the file. 

If you turn off the CC in the game, will that even turn off the hacks?   

It should - and for myself, I usually only use a little bit of CC - a few favorite pieces I think make the house look the way I want it.  And its just as easy to not include it in the file, and just tell people they need to grab it themselves - that way if they already have it, they don't get duplicates....

So, I've spent some time following threads here, reading Coconut's blog, poking about through other sites - heck, I even combed through TSR to see if they had any information other than "shiny happy people" (they didn't) - and I've come to a conclusion most of you already reached quite some time ago: EA and TSR just don't care.

They don't care about the rules, about what's right, or about any of the people who actually play the game, buy the subscriptions, and make up the community.  This doesn't surprise me about TSR; they've edited my posts in their forums (all two of them - I refuse to be active on a forum that slashes your posts and refuses to tell you why), the quality of their downloads is crap, and the few that I did like enough to dl looked nothing like the preview pictures and/or borked my game.  Once Aikea Guinea and Gelydh left, I had no reason to subscribe.  (I really wish I knew about the booty long ago!)

EA is what really surprised me.  I hadn't paid much attention when The Sims was no longer Maxis-owned.  Heck, I still called it Maxis up until a couple weeks ago.  But the things EA has been doing...  Okay, their little 'anti-piracy' program annoyed me, but it seemed on par with all the piracy overreaction that seemed to be going on everywhere.  But the setup for their games, not allowing you to install it more than a set number of times, that really ticked me off.  I said never mind to Spore.  They're getting flooded by angry customers over the paysite issue, among many other things, and they have no response to it at all (I'll change that when a person higher up than some board moderator says something).  So they ignore customers completely - getting me angrier. 

And now they (possibly - probably?) want to prevent players from making custom content for TS3?!  Don't they realise that cc is the primary reason a heck of a lot of people even play the stupid game?  I've been more and more annoyed with the borked-ness of the EPs, but I pop over to MTS2 or, more recently, WickedNouk sites, and find nifty content that I simply must have.  And then I play again, with Pescado's hacks to fix the more broken/obnoxious aspects.

I'm not buying TS3.  I've been on the fence about this for a while, but I'm just so disgusted with EA and TSR - the latter for manipulating and screwing over the community and making all this drama in the first place, and the former for ignoring the community and encouraging the money-grubbing drama whores.

All right, I'm way past tl;dr right now, so I'm just gonna /rant and make a sammich or something.  Thank you for your time.  Feel free to throw cats if necessary.  Or if bored.  I like cats...

Yeah, I like cats too and you pretty much summed up my feelings on the subject. I was on the fence about TS3 too and I'm really disappointed that I won't get it. But buying sims games is a thing I used to look forward too and they've just ruined it. With Sims 1 every pack had some interesting and cool new aspects. Now they are just excuses to sell another sims theme for $20-$30. I kept buying the next one hoping to find them as interesting as before but...

Here's a cute cat for you -

(http://i438.photobucket.com/albums/qq104/ooglafina/lolcatsdotcom1evls0ysqclgvzwn.jpg)

Is this MaxoidDrea the same MaxoidMonkey that occasional posts some pretty bland uploads at the exchange?

I gather she works for EA, so apart from kneeling in front of Thomas, just what official position does she hold with EA?

I am being serious this time, I really don't know.

No it is not. MaxoidMonkey is a different maxoid (EA employee for the sims2website) that would post FREE objects that would fit in with the maxis themes and and complement the games, also some objects that were later included in stuffpacks/expansions were posted.  MaxoidDrea being the selfish corrupt TSR asskisser bottomfeeder would never be so generous; and if Im not mistaken she has not contributed anything useful at all the entire time she has worked as a maxoid. From her sim profile page she has been around since 2005.  Maxoidmonkey who has been around since 2004 has sadly not been around in some time and is missed.

Drea is the website manager. She and the webteam are in charge of keeping the website running, the forums clean (*cough*) and, now, working on the Sims 3 website to get it ready for Sims 3's launch.

The light is getting brighter.TSR claims 2.18 million members and growing, we are talking serious cash there. So getting back to Drea, as well as the position I already hinted at, I would assume there are several others.
If you take the numbers that subscribe to TSR, add that with the number of sheep out there that throw their cash at Peggy and the rest, assuming that EA wants a share of the action is not unreasonable. Hence Drea and her interpretation of the EULA.

I read this over at Maty (http://www.moreawesomethanyou.com/smf/index.php/topic,14631.0/topicseen.html). I'm glad that I didn't sign the petition with my real name and email.

I just checked and it is closed for new sigs.  But the page does say there are 624 signers.  How can you hack and online petition?

I have no idea. I hope it's just a rumor. Maybe Bluesoup will see this and let us know.

Heh, if it's true it wouldn't surprise me. :D

If it's true, it is one more indication that someone obviously doesn't want EA to know about the goings on in the sim community.  I signed that petition too.  If the petition is going to be hacked every time it is put up we need a better way of conveying our feelings to EA and draw attention to the mess TSR and drea are creating.  Just going to hang on for bluesoup to say something though see what has really happened.

You could write a letter your self personally. If you don't know what to write then just copy/paste Blue's letter. Or just not buy their games, and Arr! them. You could even start a gaming blog, not just sims related, for people to put up stories on how they have been screwed by EA. Then you could send the url to some of the large internet gaming news websites, they could do a feature. Or post a "Don't believe EA!" on their BBS. You will probably get banned but there's a good chance some sheeps will see it before it's deleted. Start creating things, submitting them to TSR, but include a readme with the links to PMBD and coconut. Or even name all your creations with some variations of PMBD/coconut.

Think there's a way to weave subliminal anti-EA messages into clothing textures and get them posted at TSR?  ;D

I already wrote to EA at redwood,  I did that when coconut posted the address, just before the last blog was pulled.  it wasn't as good as bluesoup's but had all the relevant info.   


Ongoing discussion at blackpearlsims

It does appear that my petition was hacked, yes.  I have no idea how or who by, but I can take a guess...  I've written a third email to their technical support centre, but this time I didn't send it through my petition control panel, so I'm hoping this makes a difference.  If it was TSR, then WTF will EA have to say about that?  The most hideous, vile, fucking disgusting behaviour is supported?  They'll get any more of my money over my dead body.

I will still be sending my letter to them, regardless of what happens.

Coconut, you reading??? 

Coconut should investigate the matter, once she has evidence, she should give it to bluesoup for the letter.

Online petitions = FAIL. Snail mail = Win. I've said it before, and I maintain that belief. ;)

Well, I was going to print out the list and send it along with my letter.  If the petition is not recoverable, then I'll still be mailing the letter regardless.  I would encourage everyone else to do so as well, but that's up to everyone else.

I will definitely write again. This time I will make sure it doesn't go to the sims 2 team.  As for the hacking, I think any talk of hacking would have been via PM, it's only the minor schmucks who are willing to announce in the FA forum what they are up to, so unless it was Padre333 (snicker) or Dot (even bigger snicker) doubt if anything will get back to Coconut.

I'm sorry about what happend, Blue.   Is there a way to get IP's of people who hacked?  Yes, we know TSR is great for using IP hiding software, but most of it comes from HideMy IP, so if it shows up as one of their IP's, we can be pretty sure it was TSR.  Tom bought a copy for Anita even!

Well so far I haven't even received a reply from the petition people :\  So who knows what's going to happen.  I'm still supremely pissed and outraged though!

I don't blame you, Blue.  That is pretty outrageous.  I didn't sign the petition, because I am weird about my name being out there, but I can certainly write a letter.  Do we have addys?  Where are you sending yours?

Electronic Arts
209 Redwood Shores Parkway
Redwood City, CA  94065

Attn: Sam ____________ (I haven't bothered looking for his last name yet, anyone know it off-chance?)

Pescado tells me this Sam guy was sacked ages ago.  Anyone know who is in charge of the Sims 2 faction over there now?

Rod Humble is in charge oof the Sims, in general, anyway.

Yeah, addressing it "Dear Jerk" wouldn't win us any favors, even if I sometimes feel it's true. 

Couldn't people put "To Whom It May Concern?"  instead?  I usually put that, because sometime things change so fast in this industry, that the person who was in charge when you mailed it, might not be the person in charge by the time the letter arrives.  They might be transfered to another department instead. 

From what ive read the head of the sims division is Nancy Smith. She is the Sims Label President. Rod Humble just heads the studio that creates the sims.

http://www.gamedaily.com/articles/features/meet-the-ea-label-presidents-nancy-smith/71267/?biz=1

Ah, okay.

Who's the head lawyer at EA? Or even the PR director? Head of sales and marketing? The board of directors would be good, and it's a publicly traded company, so getting to the stockholders is a must. I'd advise sending copies to every head honcho there you can find, including the CEO, along with one copy to the head of the Sims division. It will disappear down the rabbit hole if it's only sent to her; her division is fucking up bigtime, she isn't going to advertise that, and she's obviously a complete incompetent, so she's not going to change it either. Here's a link to some possible contacts: http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/people/board.asp?symbol=ERTS.O. However, EA is run by assholes, and John Riccitiello is at least as bad in his way as Thomas.

I'd seriously consider contacting various independent gaming community types. Penny Arcade comes to mind.

I'm thinking that if World of Warcraft players found out that they were getting screwed by Blizzard, that would be a newsworthy story. So why not this?
I agree with neriana. We all need to do whatever we can to get this out in the open. Make it common knowledge. Write to every mass media outlet you can think of, as well as the people at EA. Take out full page ads, rent billboards, call the freaking national guard for fuck's sake! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAArgh!

Sorry about that last part there. Sometimes I can't control my outrage. I'm ok now. :D

I'd suggested a little while ago contacting G4 - a show like X-Play might run a story like this, since they are all about the game and the players - Morgan even did a rant once on advertising in games and how such games should be free.

Penny Arcade might be a good one as well, and various gaming magazines - have to find the ones that aren't getting paid off by gaming companies.

And while JR is a rat, its possible that, while the shareholders probably aren't much better, they are smart enough to realize that insulting your playerbase and ignoring illegal activites affecting that playerbase, and so might do something.

If people are going to write letters I would suggest putting a recipient's name on the envelope.  If it is a general letter addressed to no one in particular it gets opened at a very low level within the company and they take a guess as to who reads it.  If it is marked for instance Nancy Smith at least it gets as far as her secretary.  Writing to every member of the board can be expensive if posting outside of the USA so pick a name off the list if money is a concern.  I totally agree with neriana that we take this outside the sims community as long as this subject is confined to beng discussed in the sims community forums it remains our dirty little secret.

Yes, I am from Canada and definitely can't afford sending it to everyone!  But I was planning on putting her name on the envelope, as I know how it usually works within companies for mail :)

This is the sort of mentality we are up against


http://www.cinemablend.com/games/EA-Seals-Pandemic-BioWare-Acquisition-8151.html

Well, far be it for me to defend EA because I hate them just as much as the next guy, but that's a distortion of what she actually said.


It's like movie-making people not getting too upset about movie critics because most of the critics are pretentious douches anyway.  The movie can do just fine without awesome reviews.

Thanks for the point out blue soup.  The guy at cinema blend isn't exactly a fan of EA lol.


ETA It reminded me of Gerald Ratner.  He single handedly wiped £500 million off the value of Ratner's Jewellery here in the UK by making a similar remark in the 1990's.

I went over to TSR to oggle the forums and see if anyone was cackling maniacally about the petition, and my browser blew up. Way to fail TSR.

Penny Arcade would be a good one to contact, I think.  They get a lot of readers and have wide reach potential, rally for a lot of different games, and they have no problem at all mocking big name companies for screw ups.  I personally would love to see a comic with EA's Sim's Team screwing themselves on the Twirl, Fuck n' Wobble while the company headquarters burns down behind them. 

Satan?

That would make an extreme amount of sense, yes. How would you go about addressing the letter, though?

"Dear Mr. Satan, blah blah blah, TSR sucks, blah blah blah, they rip us off, blah blah blah, they go against the EULA that you people put on the game, blah blah blah, illegalities committed left and right by said website(s), blah blah blah, quit yanking the users around, blah blah blah, Sincerely, A Now Disgusted Non-Customer?"

Just a rough idea.

(http://i42.tinypic.com/126em9h.jpg)

 :D Church Lady!

Well, isn't that spashul! :D *sniff* old memories

If Satan were a lawyer wouldn't his pitchfork be a security risk? I'd like to see a security guard try to confiscate it. "I'll hold your briefcase, Mr. Satan, while you go back through the metal detector."

Here's a copy/paste of a post I just made on the BBS:


The petition was re-opened to new signatures - I'm not sure how or even WHO reopened it, since I haven't received any email from the petitiononline people - but I closed it again.  I simply don't want to risk the privacy of anyone who signs.  It sucks, but I'll definitely be sure to emphasize this happening in my letter!

Thank you Blue Soup. I will be writing my own letter to add to yours. Thank you for the address as well.

Both the G4 and PennyArcade ideas are good, but has anyone volunteered to spearhead the effort?  We can all individually write to G4 and PenyArcade, I plan to, but I'm not sure how much that will accomplish.  Is anyone here a journalist or public relations person?  Does someone have experience putting together a press kit?  I don't.

BlueSoup, I hope you can uncover some incriminating evidence of hacking your petition.  It had 600 or so signatures before it got hacked, right?  To me, that's a lot, but I didn't think 600 would matter to anyone corporate.  Apparently it bothered them enough to hack.  Does that mean our voices matter, even in small numbers, or does it just mean TSR is ultra paranoid and extremely petty?

629.

I have no idea what it means.  The entire thing is tiring.  I don't have the energy to fight like this anymore, for Sims shit.

I usually just lurk but the more I hear about this crap the more pissed off I get! Giving their previous record and set precedents, I'd say that this definitely means TSR is ultra paranoid and extremely petty!  Its ridiculous that they have nothing better to do....don't they have lives for goodness sake?

I know how to write a press release, but I don't have time to spearhead anything. Here's the thing: I don't think G4 would notice, and I bet Penny Arcade gets mail from kooks all the time. I think there would have to be more behind it that just PMBD, though coconut's journal helps.

First, what other gaming websites do y'all visit? Somethingawful would be good, if anyone's a regular there. Kotaku would be great. Also, gaming blogs, like http://www.shamusyoung.com/twentysidedtale/. We could use one big write-up of the history, something like the Duchess of Richmond did about the Harry Potter fanfic community and Ms. Scribe (http://www.journalfen.net/community/bad_penny/1074.html).

The Sims community isn't taken seriously in the wider gaming community, partly because we're mostly women, but also because most of us don't seem to interact a lot with everyone else, or play other games. The idea that EA is evil incarnate is going to get a big yawn, along with, "yeah, and also the earth revolves around the sun. Tell us something new." Plenty of people hate EA. If we can get concrete evidence of that "something new", as it ties into TSR, we could get somewhere.

Somethingawful would probably jizz all over tsr happily if someone compiled info for them.  They love sick shit like what tsr and thomass has done and continue to do. 

Also, I think they love giving butthurt more than Pes.

Minor point, but I just noticed that Drea's 'clarification' has disappeared (http://bbs.thesims2.ea.com/community/bbs/start.php?openItemID=item.2,item.43,item.61,item.104,item.41,item.127,item.23) from the stickied threads in General Discussion.

It's not been deleted, because I can still follow the direct link (http://bbs.thesims2.ea.com/community/bbs/messages.php?threadID=17989d983b8aa06886b13273b94f2387&directoryID=2&startRow=1&openItemID=item.2,item.43,item.61,item.104,item.41,item.127,item.23) to it, but it ain't in the stickied section anymore.  And I just quickly scanned the first few pages of threads in GD and couldn't see it.

Could be important, might not.  Just thought I'd throw that out there.

They could have felt that everyone who was going to see it has seen it and there is no use keeping it stickied anymore, but I really doubt that. It does seem odd it was let drift down pages already. I mean, it hasn't even been a month yet since it was posted.

It makes me happypants that my thread is back on the front page and their "clarification" isn't.

The very fact that someone went to the trouble to hack the petition with only 600 signatures on it is proof that it's hitting very close to home. One can only imagine the reaction to 30,60, or even 100,000 signatures.
As for the email addresses in the petition, well my email address is there.Ea games don't count, they banned me, so that leaves TSR and I would be only to happy to trade insults with that scum.
If the purpose of the hack is to gain access to my PC. in order to see who i am and how much of their custom content I have, well fuck me all they have to do is ask.
Just what are those idiots gonna do? take me to court.

I think the only definite proof is if Thomas does his usual and blabs on his own forum " no we did not hack the petition..... well we did erase some names... but it was only five... honest."  Till then it's a mystery.

Not sure if this is the right thread, but I thought this was worth mentioning.

Blizzard (the company behind World of Warcraft), just released an update to their policy
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/policy/ui.html

People can no longer charge for their mods or add-ons.    :)

People have been debating it a little (http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15864447114&sid=1) on the forums, and it reminded me of the Sims community.       

So, you see.....EA *could* amend their policy if it suited them.   Blizzard had no problem putting the smack down.  /shrug

and re: the petition.... I did sign it, and I'm sure my email address and name are out there now...  only have myself to blame for that, I suppose.

Thankfully Bioware has never charged for second party mods for Neverwinter Nights. They actually host them on their website. They do have modules they made that you can buy, but they were made by Bioware. EA would never be that helpful to the Sims Community.

(http://cats.moreawesomethanyou.com/crowdgoeswild.jpg)

Doesn't surprise me, overall, Blizzard actually cares about their playerbase.  Since the ui mods don't keep people from buying more wow stuff, its not even a case of Blizzard protecting their own pockets - its just to protect the players themselves.

And you know, if any company was to go under or suffer in the economy today, it ought to be EA - most other companies actually do care about how they look and what the players think.  EA could learn alot.

Hey, maybe we should send letters to the board suggesting they start implementing things companies like Blizzard does.

And someone should squeeze that troll and make some orange juice.

But who would want to drink squeezed troll?

I've been playing WoW for a long time, I use lots of addons, and I've never even come across any that were pay. Good on Blizzard, anyway; they know how to make money.

there are a few that are part of paidfor leveling guides - but honestly, there were only a few to my knowledge to begin with.

That was the first thing that sprang to mind when I read the post about Blizzard changing their policy. If memory serves, I believe an author of one of those guides went to court against Blizzard when they got Ebay to remove the guide from their listings.

That's funny - blizzard would/will spank them.

Tougher to say, really. A "levelling guide" does not constitute any form of content that interfaces with the game itself. It is more akin to a Prima Guide, something that IS sold. Is it really a good thing to protect an enforced monopoly on strategy guides? Is it even right to stop this?

WoW is 15 bucks a month, the players SHOULDN'T have to pay for anything else...

Prima and Brady games pay a fee or work a deal with the companies to do their guides.  Nothing wrong with giving your guide away, but selling it i think is illegal, without permission.

Agreed. Games like "Everquest" and "Asheron's Call" all have monthly fees. I play Neverwinter Nights 1 online and I only had to pay for the game itself. Bioware runs the server we use to log in for free.

There was another game I can't recall the name of that was from Korea (I think) that people paid really money to buy "gold" in the game. The game itself was downloadable for free. It was all the rage a few years ago in the Far East.


I would think that is true. And I know places like 'Gamespot' have user written online guides or walkthroughs. But they do not charge for them.

Actually, most asian mmos are free to play with item malls - you get the game for free, you play for free and if you want extras, you pay real money for it.  I honestly think its a better model over all.  Perfect World, for example, has vanity items and things like extra space for only a few dollars, and you pay it one time.  EA is trying to use that model, but the problem is, alot of these companies when bringing the idea to the US try to either use it in a p2p game like CoX [City of Heros/Villians], where they charge 10 dollars a pop for a few costume pieces and a new dance, or a convenience power, or like EA they charge us through the nose for stuff packs and expansions, then want to charge us through the nose for crap.

In the Asian market it wouldn't float.  One just has to take a look at how lovely the various f2p games are, and good a quality the extras are, then compare it to what these companies think they can do to use dumb Americans [NCSoft being a Korean based company, as I understand it, and EA being an American one, but seemingly of the same mindset regarding us customers.  Yes, those are the examples i know best]

I think there are a few reasons for Blizzard taking action.   

- they just won against Glider in court (botting program)

- paid leveling guides (Zygor's Guide, for an example) are becoming more popular.   
  it's not just a .pdf or a book you buy - you buy an addon to install, and it displays step by step what you need to do in-game.
  with a big pointy arrow and nice map mods, etc.

- sometimes Blizzard takes ideas from the mod creators (like CTmod) and puts a similar version in the default UI of the game.
  if you have people getting paid for their mods, couldn't they demand that Blizz compensate them as well for 'stealing' their ideas?
  that seems like you'd be getting into a lot of ugly grey area, and copyright stuff...i'm no lawyer, so /shrug

Anyway, to keep it on the topic of The Sims

I posted the update because while I'm not sure I agree with Blizzard's methods 100% - I do think that paid mods/add-ons detract from the creative spirit of the community.
Same with the Sims.   It alienates good people that create for fun, and often create more quality stuff.   And I wish that SOMEONE at EA would realize what they're doing to this community by not taking a stance, or enforcing, or updating their f***ing policy.    I realize my opinions matter not to EA or their speshul paysite partner.

I believe The Sims games were originally meant to be a 'free' and open moddable game.   It's been a good time-waster for the last 8 years, and I was interested in seeing if they've made the Sims3 engine more stable.   But I seriously doubt it will be.   =/     They're just grubbing for more money at this point.    If EAxis had wanted more cash out of me, maybe they should have made a Stuff Pack called 'We fixed our crap code' and I would have pre-ordered it.   

I had a point in there somewhere.  Maybe.

Well, yes.  Blizzard doesn't -lose- money from people selling the guides with the add-ons.  Not really, maybe from a few people 'beating' the game and quitting for something else, but that will happen regardless.

On the other hand EA does lose money from supporting paysites.  If someone is shelling out 100$ a year, or worse a month [it is possible too] to get all the nifty pay-crap, then they are less likely to shell out the 100$ to EA for the expansions and stuff packs and now the official paysite.

So, if Blizzard can go, 'This is dividing the community, cut it out.' when its not affecting their bottom line, but just overall player enjoyment, then why the fuck can't EA do the same when it is going to cost them a lot more money?

This is the same question I have had for ages. Financially, it doesn't make sense for EA to allow paysites to exist, especially with current economic issues. Their unwillingness to step in is pretty baffling to me, actually.

Not that baffling. They probably recieve money from TSR, without having to give out an official lisence, and the risks attached to that.

Blizzard has always cared about its customer base unlike EA. When Diablo II came out they apologized profusely to the Mac gaming community because their port was several months behind. (And yes, their disks used to be ac/dc meaning it worked on both a Mac and a Windows machine) And Blizzard knows how to keep their customers happy. EA has a lot to learn about customer service and customer retention. If I  had the extra money, I might seriously consider playing WoW.

If EA was smart, they'd enforce their own EULA instead of relying on us (the customers) to do it.

Diablo 3 is supposed to be out soon, too.  And this is true.  EA did what, one MMO and it flopped - it flopped because during Beta they took the advice of people who said 'MMOs need to be a grind, or people won't play.' So it went from being able to be a recluse and having a home of your own to having to share lots with 7 other folks - all this before beta ended.  It got me -playing- mmos, but not theirs, because they were so worried about 'keeping' players to make money, they missed what keeps people -playing-.

Don't get me wrong though, Blizzard needs to fire and get new folks for their Cloth class devs and artists.  Granted, as a mage I don't feel like a colourblind nun anymore, just like a nun.  Our one trick, dps, is being done bettwer by warriors, DKs, pallies and hunters [that's at least not new], and tailoring is one of the most obnoxious armour making skills out there.

But overall, yeah, they are a good company.

I had a friend who played on the Sims MMO and said it was awful. People couldn't even talk or socialize they had to "work" and maintain their homes. If they'd made it like the game (except with the ability to talk to others on line) it might have been fun. But yeah, I can understand what you say about the "game design". Bioware has allowed people to mod the heck out of NWN. It is still a fun game for me.

It sucked - I was so disappointed because it had potential, if they'ed listened to simmers rather than hard-core powerplaying mmo types.  I watched it go from fun to horrible and said as much on the forums too.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

You've obviously never played a blacksmith. Tailoring is no worse than leatherworking. Also, mages don't just have one trick; they also have crowd control and buffs. But it wouldn't be WoW if people didn't complain incessantly about their classes :P.

first post, it's terribly off topic, but i have to just say... i downloaded both Zygor and joana (mancow)'s  wow guides for free... by torrent.  ;)

Actually, I did do a blacksmith, got her all the way to 300 and something, then found out that [at the time] there were -no- swords for a holy pally, and not mcuh armour for one either, so switched to alchemy and engineering with friends feeding me mats.

The reason I say tailoring is harder is this - Blacksmithing, while a rampaging pain in the ass, does -not- have a four day time limit.  With persistance you can make a whole set in a few days of farming what you need.  Tailoring, unless you just buy the cloth, requires months to make a full set of anything, a set being -three- pieces.  It was three months for me to make the extra pieces to fill out my spec armour set [which only took a month or so, while I worked on hitting 70.

No class should have to wait like that, and its just plain dumb that they kept that with Wotlk - I still haven't made my frozen shadowweave set - between instance and raid drops [ 4-man Kara wooo!] I haven't even had to replace stuff yet with wotlk gear, but when I need to, I can craft better [ well, when they make mages have to have spirit to be any good :P]

UPDATE on EAxis EULAe in TS3 (http://www.ea.com/portal/pdf/legal/EULA-TheSims3-Retail-3-22-09.pdf):
Apparently, in TS3, being a paysite is no longer mentioned anywhere as being forbidden, but at the same time, by creating stuff at all, you "...expressly grant to other users of the Software the non‐exclusive, perpetual, transferable, worldwide, irrevocable right to access and use, copy, modify, display, perform, and create and distribute derivative works from...", meaning that we are absolutely allowed to be pirates. YARR! The future of PMBD looks rather bright, it seems, as EAxis decides to officially tuck in their tails and run away from this issue with both hands.

I wish they would have out-lawed paysites, but at least they finally agreed pirates are "legal".

From a more immediately relevant perspective, "diva-ism" is officially outlawed. Creators can no longer behave as divas, insisting that no one modify their stuff, etc., etc. That is officially declared to be dead.

That's only granting EA rights to unlimited usage.  Part 2 sort of seems a little 'anti-booty' if you ask me.

Part 4 is the relevant one. Part 2 is just the part saying they can banhammer people at will. Also keep in mind, this is a partial draft of a specific subpart of a product which doesn't actually exist, but it clearly makes their intended position known: They intend to duck and cover.

Part 2 is saying third part copyrights or trademarks, meaning no uploading a McDonalds, if you do it a lot then you get banned.

What about the "non-commercial use" and "Commercial use of this Software is prohibited" restrictions in Part 1A?

This is only when you upload somewhere that EA can control. Through the sims3spywarecommunism manager ;) Now all they have to do is forbid content from actual fansites outside of EA's 'approved' list, and THEN you can transfer this to any and all custom content.

Ya exactly Nouk, they seem to be taking a stand on their own doorstep only. They don't say anything about content not funnelled through their spyware.

I'm curious as what exactly what this content is to which they are referring. Is that an admission that CC is going to be doable or simply referring to stuff created with the tools included with the game. *yawns*. If so why are they referring to third party trademark protection. That in itself assumes the importation into the game of something from the outside world. It seems an odd statement to me.

In any case third party fansites and content distribution isn't referred to all, so it's somewhat of a non-stand stand.

With the lack of any actual game or tools, with this being only a first draft, it is hard to say.

Maybe its just a case of EA trying to cover its fat pimply arse in case anyone doesmanage to devise a way of creating CC for the game. ???

Part 1-E seems to disagree with the BBS sheeple about the fact that the ads have not been removed at all.  Does anyone remember whether only the sheep were saying that or did a Maxoid confirm no ads?  (I would rather not go back there and check).  I thought, though I could be wrong, that someone over there said that someone from EA had confirmed no ads in game but according to this ELUA there will be ads that phone home.

Someone who was at the creator camp said they heard there would be no ads.  But Pescado said that his sources said there would be, they just weren't talking about it, because people bitched too much.  ("If we don't mention it, they won't notice it!")  If that's true, once again, EA is assuming we have the brains of a dust bunny.

Welp, guess I won't be buying it then.  No securom, but full price for a game with ads?  Not happening.  They get ad revenue, I get my game for free - greedy bastards.

They told at least a couple people at the creator camp that there would be no ads. However, the EAxoids who talked to people at the creator camp were not Rod Humble level. I think the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing at EA, and I think the game will have ads.

I thought that someone was talking about it in the "no securom" thread at the bbs.  I thought it was that recent and that it was the sheep saying something along the lines of "Yea!!! See everyone freaked out for nothing.  The benevolent EA, in all its glorious wisdom, has listened to our concerns and have banished the ads and Securom so everyone can stop badmouthing EA now and go back to bending over"  You know, something like that.  I may have to venture over and check it out.

This is politics. Tell people you'll raise income taxes, tax fuel more highly, and pretend to want to raise taxes on sigarettes and alcohol with 40%.
Then wait a couple of weeks. Then say you will forget about the taxes on sigs and alcohol. Then people will feel accomplished that their complaining has had an effect. And you get what you initially wanted without much fuss: higher income tax, higher fuel tax.

Glad I'm not the only person who caught on to EA's political tactics. They do that with everything they announce. "We have stuff packs!" Some sheeple get angry, thinking this is the end of free EA content then later forgot. Then EA says "Look at our Sims Store! Give us your moniez!" Sheeple get angry, saying this is the end of free content, stuff packs are the best, and EA is money grubbing. Same cycle can somewhat apply to suckuROM. Wouldn't be surprise if they did the same with ads in game. EA has always been the same and it won't surprise me when EA starts charging players to pay for their own Sim's items, property, and clothes within the game.

At first I was going to say that no, once they were a decent company, but...there was a bug with the Lotr game they put out about 15 years ago, now, I think.  To get out of Moria there was supposed to be a y/n bubble to let you know to hit y or n to get out - wasn't there.  And they charged me to call and it took them forever to go, 'Oh, just hit 'y' to get unstuck.

But, I still object to paying for SPs and I still object paying for sims store crap.  The days when they would give -good- quality stuff away for free has been replaced with selling garbage.

And we can thank TSR for that.  TSR and all paysites that showed EA games that Custom Content for Sims = $$.   I'm waiting for them to just change the name to $ims! 

In other news, it seems a FA from TSR, one of the ones who posted about the 'clarification' and how it meant we had to respect pay artists' work too, has been caught stealing a free artist's mesh complete with the uv mapping. 

Details?

Oh, that is funny. Smug, smarmy assholes like that ought to get laughed out of the community for saying one thing while doing another.

Really? Where is this from? 

One of the artists from MTS2 - I'd say more, but she's going to attempt to get TSR to remove the offending files, and if not, I think she's planning on making a very big deal about it.  I've seen her pictures of both uv mapping, its identical, and there is no way it would be, without having taken the mesh.

If the big deal starts to get made, let us know.  I would love to see that.

Well, it just goes to prove that you never know when inspiration can strike. Now, imagine being a frantic TSR FA who desperately needs to meet a quota or else wind up becoming a sad and pathetic has-been like poor, crazy NeptuneWhat'sHerName. The first thing you'd probably do is check out the competition and see what they're up to. So, while haunting MTS2 (no doubt, imagining that you're better than everybody else because, hey, Thomass said so ) you see a mesh that you absolutely love and want to take credit for. Of course you're going to download it, change a couple things and then release it as your own work.  See? The original artist was inspired and you decided to strike.

Well, not only did Shakeshaft steal the mesh, and only modify it and the texture slightly [I think removing the dirt so it became a decorative vase rather than a decorative planter [I bet you could still put Buggy's plants in them too], but then Thoma$$ hacked her account on MTS2, hopping, perhaps that Delphy was somehow as incompetatn and -he- is [he being Thoma$$] and that deleting all her stuff would get rid of the evidence.

I guess he also didn't realize that Delphy knew who 'Hamilton' was and so didn't expect to get caught red-handed.

This also makes me wonder who else is stolen from?

I suspect this happens all the time.  Most free creators probably don't go to TSR so they probably don't notice.

Stolen?  Hell, the FA's steal stuff from SA's and regular contributors!  Ravena stole Paleoanth's welcome mats.  At least one of them was a direct steal, she didn't change anything.   If they'll steal from people on the site itself, I am sure anything posted outside of the site is "Fair game."

TSR, the Scientology of Sim fansites.