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Reflex forum is now closed?  There's a message on the front page that reads -

It is with my deepest regret that I am closing the Reflexsims Forum. Much love to you all. Carol (Greeksgal)

this sux!

I just saw that...wtf???  :o

RSF staff are sort of gathering at Sims Cave - all of this info is from there. Apparently, Carol/Greeksgal (who owns the forum) doesn't agree with what the rest of the staff decided and deleted the entire thing. They've got a backup and are planning on opening back up under a new name.

I hope that they do open under a new name. It's sad that one person doesn't agree with everyone else, thus kinda stuffing it up for everyone.

I've just seen that Greeksgal closed the forum... Unbelieveble... I'm furious. I have no doubt that Jonesi and the rest of the stuff will open again under a new name.

To the rsf stuff and all the members; if I can be of any help or if you want to share any news, please contact me on katija1982@yahoo.com. Thanks!!! (PMBD, hope you don't mind me doing this)

I love the "With deepest regret."   Like she couldn't just walk away herself and give the site to someone else?  Or give some warning at least? 

She can shove her regrets up her ass. This proves, once again, that most paysite supporters are obnoxious, selfish little 12s at heart.

This makes me furious - I can't even come up with any clever nasty comments on tis one - people who pull this shit should all just go bury themselves under a tree and rot - do something -useful- for a change.

Carol's stupidity amazes me. What, she MUST close the site due to circumstances surrounding disloyalty and piracy? Just sounds like a greedy dipshit to me.

Ah, she's kissing Tom's ass in order to maybe full fill her hopes of becoming an FA. Too bad her shit SUCKS.
 ::)
What a huge forum to just dump. Marcella must be a cold bitch to just leave all of those members high and dry.
Her and Pes would make heartless babehs, methinks.  :D

Also worth mentioning is that the forum offerings had far surpassed the garbage that was offered on the Reflex site. It must have been eating the jealous bitch alive.

And she will be reduced from being a site owner to FA/slave.

Well, luckily it seems there were backups for the forums, so setting back up should be easy enough.

And Pes isn't heartless, he's just curmudgeonly.

I really feel for those folks, and it hits kind of close to home - I got evicted in rl by a so-called friend, with no warning.  And really, on an emotional level the situation isn't much different.

Greeksgal is the stupidest cunt alive.  She denied my friend membership because her screen name had ass in it.  The word wasn't ass, though. It just had ass somewhere in it.  ::)

Good riddance.  SHe's probably just conveniently dumping it for the advent of sims 3.

Poor Reflexsims people - but yay a backup!  :-*

Her guestbook is filling up - http://www.reflexsims.de/

Can you blame them? I was getting ready to go check it out, wanted to see what was on there (I've never been there) but I popped in here real quick to see if there was anything new, and lone behold I find this out.

This sucks, I just signed up for that place a few days ago...

Same here. I await the new forums :)

Discussions of soul-devourment are presently underway. News at 10.

This seems a theme lately - shake ups like this - being relatively new to the community, is this normal?  Are people realigning themselves before Sims 3?  It seemed that for a good year or so there was a lack of extreme drama, but that things have kicked up again lately...

kewl.... only 57 more minutes to wait.   :P

And her panties obviously.


ETA: Geesh! How does Pes do these things so fast?? He really doesn't sleep does he.

It's all that caffeine! Vital to survival!

What it seems to me is that every so often we have flair ups. That is how I found out about this site, during one of the flair ups, right about the same time people were up in arms about Bon Voyage came out came out.

posted at simscave - http://www.simscave.com/index.php?topic=6904.90

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It really does suck, I just joined last night and now I feel like I broke it by not staying away. :P

So she is saying that we need to trust a lying deceiving guy, over actual pictures of the info? Hmmm, I'll take the solid proof over what has to be taken with a grain (or more) of salt.

I knew it! UR EVIL!!!1111 :p

Or Marcela is a bitch.

EVIL!

Jeebus, that chick likes to hear herself talk.  There's zero substance to her posts. 

Paden, even if you broke-d the forum, I love your post on the guestpage.  Awesomeness.   ;D

So, because she talked to Thomas, she believes that all the actual screenshot proof is a lie?  This is not cake.  There is no lie, except Thomas's and Anita's lies. 

I am floored by her level of denial.  Absolutely floored.

She would fit right in as a FA at TSR wouldn't she.

Who is she on tsr, anyway? Rum Nate, that seems to be the idea behind this. Maybe some sort of thomas ass-kissing hazing thing? *shudder*

I don't know if she is on TSR, I was just saying that she is one the same level of intelligence and denial as the FAs, so she would fit in with them well. But she said that she knows Thomas, and they talked about the paypal info thing, and he assured her that it was all a lie, that coconut made it all up. How you can believe that is beyond me, but whatever.

Anyone see the spoof newsletter site for TSR that someone posted on the thread over at The Sims Cave? I laughed till I cried.


Anyway, believing lies when there is hard proof in front of you just makes you either look like you have a peanut for a brain (sorry to all the peanuts!) or just plain greedy.

Hang on, hang on, hang on... the personal info sharing was totally made up?  HELLOOOOO, Screenshots?  HELLOOOOO, TSR admitted it on their own website? (sure, they figured we couldn't count the number of names - what was it?  5 or so?  As if any were ok but I digress)

Not that I've ever downloaded anything from that site but I won't be in future.

this one?  http://thesimsresource.info/

Yes. According to TSR everything Coconut has come out with has been attention seeking lies, and the pictures were all fake.

Yeah, that one :D

Wow!!! That chick must be a first class idiot to actually believe that screenshots of FORUM POST were faked...I bet thomass is probably starting to believe that lie himself. What a shame.

The people at TSR that saw this stuff probably have deluded themselves so much that they believe everything coconut comes out with is fake, and there is no way coconut can be able to get into that "private" forum.

Marcela/Reflexsims.de was at TSR a long time before. She left to open her current paysite. Which proves that she's just a bitch who was afraid to lose "donators". Well, now, i'm sure she's lost a lot, not because of the debate thread, but because of what she did to the forum.
A lot of people are standing up at the Simscave to talk. I was afraid that some will leave after this but they showed up and expressed their support.

Suck this, Thomass!! Seriously, he forgot that a lot of TSR members are also from RSF,and won't be too pleased with what happened.

aeris, please? There is always a space after a comma or period. I find your posts intelligent and thought-out and I would like to read them, but I cringe whenever appropriate spaces are ignored. I don't like skipping posts, but I find myself skipping over your contributions to the discussion. :/

Sorry! I edited my post.  :D

She's gonna have a great time cleaning out her guest-book. ;D There are a good many angry peoples...

That's really the least of her problems, a messy guest book, at least to me.  I imagine in the end she'll have to go crawling back to Thoma$$ because no one will buy her paycrap anymore.  And I'd not be surprised at all if some of these neutral folks pick a side - because at the end of the day - the pirates will help neutral folks and the paysites will screw them in a bad way.

I really have to wonder if she thought this one through, because surely the people who willingly donated money to the forum are going to be more likely to become anti-paysite now that she's shown paysite owners to be incredibly self-centered and greedy. Maybe someone should thank her for helping us out.  ::) Anyway, I did have an account at the forum (though I didn't post much) and did my part in leaving an appropriately angry message in her guestbook. I hope she has fun reading them all.

Wow, I just got off of work to see this. I loved the forum but never quite knew how to feel about the association with reflexsims.de (which was full of crap.). I guess I finally got my answer.

Oh and I posted a link to the lovely booty in Marcellas guestbook. I figured since she doesn't want to be associated with the pirates she might not like that too much  ;D

Unfreaking-believable.  What kind of bullshit is this! Seriously-this is some major censorship/ass kissing. I am so f'ing pissed off right now! Who the hell does she think she is!? All made up lies? WTF! Greed and stupidity is ruining this community. I seriously just want to throw my games in the trash and say F U EA, TSR, MARCELLA & CAROL. I have screenshots of my posts to the "taboo" Reflex thread (or the thread that got them closed!) and they are going up on TSR.  Just block my f'in account THOMA$$. (might as well since you will NEVER get even so much as a penny from me)

All this nonsense just bc some greedy bastards THINK they OWN the community! You think you can just keep slapping everyone in the face??
I can't even begin to imagine the feelings of the hardcore reflex members (I only joined back in November..) That's OK-the site will be back and running and be better than ever. Remember karma is a bitch and it has your names written all over it.

*FLIPS YOU OFF YOU GREEDY CRIMINALS* >:(

Exactly. The more I think about it, the more I'm convinced that the evil cow was just insanely jealous of the more talented creators who contributed to the forum and needed any excuse to shut them down. If you've ever downloaded her sketchy looking crap from the booty you'd understand why she'd be so jealous. She wasn't fit to lick Jonesi's or any of the other's boots.

All the good creators have left TSR, anyway. I think the debate thread at RSF will be backed up, just like the rest of the forum. I wonder if Tomass talks about this in his private forums. I'd love to read moar Coconut juicy news.

Lol, I actually did download some reflexsims stuff from the booty just to hit the delete button once I saw it's full ugliness in my beloved Sims' homes. It took me a long time to realize that the stuff in the forum wasn't made by the same person that was responsible for said ugliness, and allow it in my game.

Anyway, Thomass is pretty stupid. Every time he takes a hit in this 'war' between pirates and paysites, it bites him in the ass. When they shut down coconut, it was only a matter of time until s/he found a new home (repeatedly!). Now, every member of the rsf is going to be turning to the side that serves rum and cookies. Which is stupid as they were neutral before. And the forum is just going to continue under a different name.

Well Thomas has never been smart. All he cares about is getting us shut down. So if that means everyone turns against him in the path, so be it, because when he exposes us as the dirty people we are, everyone will be crawling back to him apologizing for thinking he was wrong. Thats my guess as to what Thomas is thinking about this war, not that I would ever want to be in his head.

Haha, I think coconut, pescado and the pirates are Thomass' "Moby Dick".

Thats an interesting way to put it. lol

Well, so much for posting in her "guest book". She deleted them, i only see one or two now. There was alot more a few minutes ago, oh well.  >:(

*Warning Pic Spam ahead! (but the good kind ;) )*
She's trying her damnedest to remove all the negative comments! LMAO They are just flowing in!! :D

 I have a screenie of my lurve message to her :) If she deleted my comment I'll just post it back here!
ETA: hah at least I was able to salvage some other comments too! You can't delete these biatch! :o
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FAT COW! :P  :D

Heh, she restored all the good comments and deleted the ones that were truthful about the crap she did.

Seems she is now moderating them :(

I must say: I LURV teh DRAMA  [does a happy dance]
I never was a fan reflex' creations... I loath them, that is! But that forum did have some nice free stuff. However, they sort of seemed sort of pro-paysite so I never commented or joined any discussions there (+generally being a lurker and all).

yep! she's cleaned up all the drama, and left just the praises (to boost her selfesteem  :P)

She can moderate all she wants, but she's pretty much destroyed whatever reputation she had left in the community and earned herself a spot in the sim community's Hall of Shame along side Kathy, Walt and atwat. Also, I believe that Thomass' involvement in this mess will only prove to an even wider audience what we here at PMBD have been saying all along; he's a despicable person who'll go to any lengths to make sure that ALL simmers have to pay for user made content.

Yesterday, I woke up and found out one of my favourite forums was changing names, and was all excited because they were finally going more explicitly against tsr. Now today I get home from uni and the whole situation has just exploded! I too am secretly (or not so secretly) hoping they'll go more to the pirate way. It's the only forum where I do a lot of posting, but I have already had a warning for my ... ehm 'pirate' sympathies. I sure hope they get their Black Pearl floating again soon, after it's been shot down by Carol like this.

Oh, I see. Committing crimes is a-ok, but "illegal thoughts" (whatever those are) are a big no-no.

And, damn. I missed the guestbook goodness.

I've been relatively laid back about Thomas and his outrageous behavior, but now I'm FUMING.

Does he have to get his dirty hands into everything that was good about this community?

At least with Coconut and the others who have left T$R, we have people who are willing to tell the truth and come forward with the illegal dealings that have gone on behind closed doors. I salute and applaud what they have done. To be honest, I never knew what went on at T$R until I joined here and realized what was going on. Nouk's forums pointed me here and I'm glad I came to read.

I feel sorry for the Reflex Sims forum folks. I'm sorry you all got the short end of the stick with someone who thinks they are all that and a bag of chips. However, I am glad that you all will open up under a new name and continue to have your community. People like Marcella are making people choose sides now. It won't be a pretty picture at the end of the day and I hope she realizes how much she has hurt only herself. If she expected to go on making money from pixels, she needs to find another job now. I'm glad more people are seeing what is happening in the larger scope of the Sims Community.

Aww how sad! TSR finally deleted my screenshots STATING how CRIMINAL they are. At least they made it a few hours...I will continue to spread the word AGAINST you you ASSWADS, :o :D ;) Thanks Coconut for exposing them for the creeps they are! And thoma$$'s involvement in the shutdown of Reflexforums will ONLY strengthen the cause AGAINST them. I love how stupid people blow up their own ships. Hah-Good news will still come of this sadness. I can't wait to see them explode! :o ;D

ETA:they finally *unpublished* my profile description...lmao OH nooes noone can read my screenies *eye roll* Can't wait for the black pearl to rise!!!!
 ::)

If Thomas doesn't shut up soon the whole Sims Community will be hosted by Pescado.  :D

Oh and won't that be fun when Sims 3 comes around?

This is the type of s**t that I would expect from a 12. " You won't do what I want so I'm going to close the forum ! Hmph!". If that's her attitude, then good riddance. Let someone who isn't a hormonal middle school girl start a new forum.

Definately. Thomass should shut up more - he fucks it up every single time - by the time Sims 3 comes out, at this rate there'll be paysites unable to link to anywhere but other paysites, and the booty the highest link of google.  I don't think I'm ever going to be able to leave servers under control of Pescado - except Sublime.  :D

 wow... what a selfish bitch.

This makes me furious. I don't even have words, I'm so mad right now.

 >:(

Someone over at the Cave was asking for a link to coconuts blog. Hadn't heard of it before they started talking about it over there. Thomas really doesn't think his thoughts through....lol. I thought I was burnt!  :D

Stupidly when I signed on here I chose to hide my identity, but seeing as I don't give a shit anymore: I'm animefemme69 over at (the now defunct) RSF.

This morning was like coming into a trainwreck. That forum is my life-blood of friends and family, and I'm not about to give it up without a fight. Call it selfish, but Thomass has never done anything that affected my life on a personal-level until now. As I stated on SimsCave, he can just keep flashing his arsehole to EA as usual, only I sincerely hope they go sparingly on the lube.

Of COURSE the high-and-mighty Marcella would be in his court...as long as she can still draw support and $$$ for her shitty meshes she's happy. Why would we expect anything different? Enjoy your jaunt in the sack with Thomass, Reflexionistin! I hope his micro-dick can satisfy you.

*danielle*

That was a magnificent rant!  *Claps*  Bravo!

You wrote a beautiful post over at SC, animefemme.  It was very moving.  I don't understand how Carol could attempt to kill an entire community with one impuslive action.  Thomas's slimy tendrils are very long (unlike other parts of his anatomy).

And yay for Pescado helping out once again.  It almost makes up for the babby roaster.  :D

Right when you thought it couldn't get any more pathetic and stupid, and that paysites couldn't look any worse, something new happens. It's like a soap opera.

Instead of just helping them off your server and sending them on their way, you decide to destroy an entire community with one click. You are fucking insane, woman. You are a complete asshole.

Well anyway, looks like they'll be back up soon without your help. And instead of making people forget about pirates, you helped them remember why paysites suck. And guess what, you are one of the worst personalities out there. What you did really doesn't help the affliates you wanted to suck up to at all. Thanks.

You know, what I find hilarious is the fact that Thomass and so many others in this community try to demonize Pes and get people to see him as the "Evil" monster that is destroying the community but every time a site or forum in this community needs help Pes is there to the rescue.  If Thomass keeps trying to destroy sites or forums he will create a reputation for Pescado as the Angel of Hope instead.  I am sure that isn't what Thomass is trying to achieve.  

More exposure for TSR's crappy ethics and Coconut's blog.  I hope they never learn that the tiny bit of exposure that the info gets or that the pirates get buried within a site or forum is nothing compared to the amount of attention given to the situation after Thomass tries to get involved.  

Well-said, scrappy. There is much talk of Thomass' effective "shooting himself in the foot" this time. He has no idea of what he's dealing with, nor the ball he has set to rolling. There are quite a few who were still on the file-sharing fence before this exploded, and he has managed to turn many more masses against him in one single action. Way to go, dumbass! You've just reincarnated yourself as the poster-child of stupidity.   

If the rumours of Marcella allowing thomass onto reflexsims staff are true, does that mean trackers will be in the downloads from that site.

Where did you hear this?   ???

I wouldn't trust a payfile that Thomass even might have influence over.  You just never know.  Marcella has been uploading files to TSR for years so all of those files already have the trackers but it seems likely that he would suggest to her that he could help protect her from the 'big, bad pirates'.

I think it was over on sims cave, I will try and retrace my steps and get a link, whoever said it also said it was just a rumour though. 

http://www.digitalperversion.net/gardenofshadows/index.php?topic=10128.0

 the thread at garden of shadows was shorter to search than the one at sims cave.

Well, Pescado has two goals in helping people. He wants their souls and more importantly, their CHEEZYPOOFS! Seriously, though, this is utter and total garbage. That woman seriously needs to get help for her recovery from cranial-rectal inversion, her brain has been damaged by lack of oxygen. Stupid cunt...

I really hope she isn't so dumb as to try to be an FA at TSR to eliminate the problems with pirates. Uh, Hi honey, we're there too. And she's only hurting herself, her crappy content isn't worth a sub for TSR. 

I gave him my soul but am keeping the cheezypoofs  ;D  I might as well unhide now too, so ello  ;)

Jonesi, if I didn't know better I'd think you were following me, eh?  ;) Welcome aboard!

Well, I must say you guys rock for taking a stand - they sure thought you'd knuckle under.  And extra kudos for taking a forum backup.  :-* Even if 2 weeks is missing, all the Black Pearl members will be so happy to be back, they'll have it up to former levels in a couple of days.  ;D

But nouk, don't we like watching this soap opera?

*And we now return to The Life and Death of Paysites*

^I know it's a crappy title, but that was the only thing I could think of.

How about, "As the Assholes Burn" for a name?

I'm all for No Paysite To Live myself. ;D Paden, your title is appropriate on soooo many levels. *snickers*

Well, I prefer watching All my Freesites myself.

Hey Danielle, and Nat! Er, Nat, while you're here, may I ask if the Black Pearl forum rules will be much different from the RSF ones?  I'd really appreciate it if linking to the booty were allowed. Maybe we could have a system like the one on insim, linking is allowed, but you must also link to the original creator? That seems pretty neutral to me ... But if that's not ok with everyone, don't worry I'll be good and avoid that second warning ...

*grabs some popcorn* And now as we return to As the TSR Burns (Or any of the cool ass other names! Make your choice ;) )

Thoma$$: (thought bubble) HAHA my micro-dick has worked!(wow it worked!) Reflexsimforum is now closed! Now noone will be able to talk about me!
ReflexTWAT: Oh how all this pirate hatin' and community destroying gets me in the mood for some thoma$$ lurvin! Umm btw, Can I be an FA? Ya know since everyone hates me now...and will never pay for my shit again?? What should I change my name to now??
Thoma$$: Sure, just sign my NDA and suck it bitch!
ATWAT: OH Hell nah bitch! Who do you think you are getting close to my Lurver! *slaps Marcella* :throws gypsy scarf over thoma$$ and pulls him near*
DOT: Umm Hey let me turn off my "shape" light first before ya get busy.


ETA: LOTS of Brainbleach and Rum!  :D

 :-\   That would be the title for what happened after I ate at Taco Bell.   :-X

Had to throw DOT and her shapes in there, didn't you. Nice touch.

 ;) the only time I would sanction seeing "shapes" mentioned by her lol Besides...noone would want to see any of that secret forum action. Not even coconut. :-X

Eeew, cyberlove including Atwat, Dot and Thomass. Where's the brain bleach????

That's rad, siberiansunset...only you forgot the bits where atwat claws Marcella's eyballs from their sockets and Thomass' wife joins in on the fun.

Pretty darn sure that's how it'll be running...


Siberian, you just made me LOL, thank you..Dot and her shape, classic!

Dragonballz, that'll be on the next episode :o hehe  ;)

Glad to make ya smile Jonesi and all  :D (Sorry for the scary content use though! *shudders*)

Well at least you guys didn't lose the ability to nausiate people into forgetting their sorrow. *sighs blisfully*

Jippee! Now I certainly can't wait! That'll be so much easier than constantly pm'ing people with links to the booty.

Thomass' reply to fallonc after she closed her TSR membership:

Hell, I've been known to link to the Booty index and just title it "Booty" after someone links a pay site and ignores the rule about also posting the alternative. I don't think it's evil of me to do it, I look at it more like "equal opportunity".


Suuuuuuuuuure, you didn't, Tommy, we believe that you didn't go to the cow, whining and bitch and making threats. We trust you when you tell us that you didn't throw an unholy shit fit and lie like a rug and brain wash yet another Teutonic twat into believing that you've been smeared with a paint brush loaded with liquid shit. Oh, I know, you are soooo misunderstood and fragile inside, just an absolute crumbly cookie for a heart. BULLSHIT! We know what you did there and aren't gonna back down, not for what you did and for the actions those two cunts took after your little shitfit tantrum. Stand up and grow a pair, or at least yank them from Atwat's mouth before you go round acting like you own every community that deals with this fandom on the intarwebz!


Remember that you read it here at PMBD, we now have the sanction of Thomass and company to exist! In fact, he positively promotes and encourages us, because he doesn't think HIS site ought to be the only one on the internet! Uh huh. Yeah. Right. I dunno whether to call bullshit or ram those words into his face and tell him to pack his bags to move out of his second house... All sarcasm aside, does he really think people are this damn dumb after seeing what just happened over the course of a day or two?

Passed ownership to someone else?  As in selling the domain name or *shudder* selling it to tsr?

Of course they do!  They need places to find their next FA's. 

Of course he does. To him, if he says it, its true. So when the paypal pictures came out, he said they were not sharing people's personal info, so that means they are not. He can't rap his head around the thought that people from other sites are wrong and he is right.

I think he meant Marcela passed ownership of the forum to Greeksgal, therefore Marcela has nothing to do with the forum closing, except that Greeksgal obviously has her head so far up Marcelas ass she can't see straight.

Can't imagine it smells too good in there.  :-X

Oh how he loves to try to hide behind semantics and "formalities". Wow he truly lives in a world his own? A greedy, dark piece of shit world. Too bad he can't just disappear into it forever... :-\

Sounds to me like more of Thomass saying "La, La, It never happened.  Prove it.  It wasn't us.  Must have been somebody else. You should blame the pirates. TSR never does anything against the community.  Don't pay any attention to the man behind the curtain." etc

lol, That sure as hell sounds like it. Skirt responsibility from himself and the site.

Talk about a backfire. Thomas/TSR do not seem to, still, understand how this community works and how people will react. Demanding someone who has little control over a forum (she lost power over it a long time ago) to enforce something is obviously going to go wrong..interesting how wrong it did go, really: in an attempt to hush the forum down about anti paysite views, the forum is gone, yes, but its now become big news/gossip. The forum is being reborn with more people attracted to it. The forum was a bigger attraction then the main Reflex sites, so talk about an idiotic move. More people on the new site and more people are aware of the anti paysite views that they wanted to hush down.

I look forward to the new forum. Although 'BlackPearl' seems unsuiting to how light and nice the forum atmosphere it, it will be nice to have its own identity away from Marcella and Carol. Good luck to Jonesi and co!

TSR: One Of Us! One Of Us!

Differing opinions aren't allowed on a forum! Beleted! Evidence is like science. Totally a fad.

Oh, the schadenfreude is thick today

Pescado adds another well known, much loved site to Pescado World while Thomass, the ruthless businessman without a brain, is left wiping even more egg off his face. I think this is possibly the stupidest thing he's done to date. But let's make sure-

- insists on hiring the most unstable woman in the community, atwat, over and over again.  Even lies about it to his own staff
- he and his slimeball whores (also known as FAs) are busted gleefully sharing the personal information of their own site's members
- is widely suspected of carrying out attacks on other sites (both pay and free) in an attempt to destroy TSR's competition
- EA Land (snicker)
- freaks out when it's discovered that he's asking the TSR idiots to sign confidentiality agreements in an attempt to keep TSR's underhanded business practices kept secret
- attempts to secure tools from EA which would make custom content exclusive to the whores of TSR
- is involved in the destruction of a healthy, much loved community made up of over 50,000 members

It's close but, yup, this may be the dumbest move of all. But hey, don't stop there, Thomass! TSR is well on it's way to becoming the most hated site of any gaming community, ever.

I would like to propose a vote of thanks for Thoma$$. He is working so very hard to pull the Sims community together. What happened at RFS is the proof. He interferes, the community pulls closer together. If he backed off, so many people would stay on the fence, he helps people make their minds up.

Someone though should explain to him what was obviously lost in translation... the difference between " Divide and conquer" and "Destroy and unite"

Truer words not spoken, Issy. I think the distinction there is just too darn subtle for his like to understand.
All hail the Black Pearl! Christen with rum?

I think EA and TSR share a common bond with greed driven epic fails. Perhaps that's why they're butt-buddies :D

Issy well said! Keep up the good work Thoma$$!  :o


I always figured they were secretly pirates..some how!  ;D

Reading through the thread over on Sims Cave, it seems what Thoma$$ succeeded in doing, along with pulling the overall community together more firmly, but making yet more neutral people not nearly so neutral.  When the paysite owners -attack- the neutrals, and the pirates are the ones helping?  Well, that's usually enough to do it.

Thing is, there is nothing wrong with being neutral - the real fault is being a paysite.  So....Thoma$$ made an unprovoked attack on a large group of neutral parties - and accused them of sharing his precious payfiles.

That's as stupid as when Drea [did I remember the right name?] attacked MATY and PMDB by saying we host their simstore crap.  Doesn't anyone bother with facts anymore?

Yes, just like EA doesn't want to be the only game company in the world.

Facts are the new things that we must avoid in order to not get confused, or didn't you get the memo?? :D

There's a girl in my history class who refuses to read things that make her uncomfortable. She's gonna fail, hard, and I will laugh and laugh and laugh.

ETA: I edited out examples because she's pretty active on the internet and ya never know :P.

His repeated use of 'we' and his past attempts -haha- at "promoting and encouraging" other fansites makes me picture TSR as one of those gigantic Borg cubes (in other words, one of Buntah's boxes that has been flood filled with the TSR logo by Atwa and 'shaped' by Dot), cruising the community and assimilating at will. It would explain the apparent lack of free thought that his remaining followers have shown.

God, I'm such a geek.

LOL Wow that TSR cube is a frightening thought!  :o Hopefully they mis-steer it and it crushes thoma$$,atwat and dot!  :D (this actually would be feasible seeing as they keep shooting themselves in the ass...)  ;)

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y265/siberiansunset/borgtsr.jpg)

 ::) Yeah It's crappy. :) Done on purpose to add to the relative crappiness which is TSR. Honestly I couldn't bring myself to stare at that crap anymore, so this is what you get! LMAO  :D

I am also now whoring my artwork around the community.  :P

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb300/animefemme69/P1010013-1.jpg)

LMAO that cracks me up! I love the "shape"/ DOT lamp! Oh and of course the blown up TSR in the background ;)
The biatch sure is with stupid...but oh poor atwat. No Valentine's lurve card from thoma$$! He's moved onto the reflextwat...
Man that big Pescado sure is scary. Maybe he should shift change into it for added TSR domination effect?
  :D Nice!

*Suck it!* That should become the new Black Pearl slogan;) Anyways I can't wait to see the new site

ETA: I thought that's what ya were portraying (habitat43) lmao it's the little details that are so awesome-o  ;D

Heh, thanks. I was hoping someone would pick up on the DOT lamp. I was especialy proud of Habitat43 getting head-skewered.

I love that cartoon and think you did a great job on it. MOAR! :D

Excellent cartoon!  I like the little heartbroken "twat" too.  Great job.

Very cleverly done, and I noticed the lamp right off :)

I thought at first that the "I'm with stupid" sign woman was Izazu, but now I get it now!

And who is that person saying "Suck it"?

The Reflex Forum staff. Jonesi, in particular, are the ones saying Suck It.  :D

Arrrrrr! I love jonesi's "Suck it!" sign! lmao  ;D

They: I like what ya did with the tsrborg! brilliant! :)

*makes caramel rum cake* Celebration cake for Black Pearl Independence!
Yum!

Excellent pic! I love it! Of corse ThomASS had to bring his money bag...lol.

I love it but you forgot the long, long beard  :P

Ha! Awesome picture! :D

That is truly fantastic - Thomass looks like authentic - and he's clapping his hands.  :D

DOT and the "Suck it!" sign made me lol. Priceless.

Brilliant.  Just brilliant.  Inspirational.  *Hands dragonballz a freshly baked caramel and rum shortbread cookie*

 :D That cartoon is great!!!

Thanks everyone.

Nouk, you're right...Pescado could have been designed better, but limited-time/resources will do that.

I'd love some inspiration for an "instalment two". *hint-hint* Feel free, just try to keep the dry-heave-inducing mental-pictures to a minimum. My brain can only take so many nano-seconds of dwelling on images like "Thomass Gets Cornholed by Black-Pearl Butt-Beads", for example. *shudders violently*  ;)

(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b33/cosmic_charly/simsmisc/583291a3.jpg)

Epic shockpic.

Most excellent toon, dragonballz. I'd like to see your take on all the FAs. Maybe a group portrait?

Is it just me, or does Atwat look like a bloke? :o

Scary pic.

Thankyou! I was thinking exactly that. Am glad I'm not going mad. Or if I am I'm glad to have company

How about Idiot Village? :D

http://phorum.mustnotbenamed.com/index.php/topic,2113.msg134626.html#msg134626

I've missed alot of this stuff.  Can someone fill me in on the Coconut Paypal screenshots TSR sharing personal info debacle?  ???

http://tsr.mustbedestroyed.org/?page_id=15 - read this, work sequentially.

damn .. and we've just nicely got over the Walt fall out

never ceases to amaze me, the lows that people will sink to  >:(

Well, Thomass has to use a ladder and shovel to get that low, but he does seem to enjoy it, which is a pity.

The measure of lowness being subjective of course.

What I find almost sad is that by listening to ThomASS's stupid suggestion, she gets all of the flak while he sits in his tower in the tsr clouds relatively unscathed. Oh, don't get me wrong.  Marcela is a scumball, too.
;)

His mico-dick  *cough* must be very satisfying *gag* Ok bad image. :-X But seriously: What has he done for her lately? *duh duna duh* (sorry that damned song is now in my head...) ::) Besides turn the community against her...(then again-actually she did that one herself by listening to the greedy assacles.)

Oh well stupid marcela is stupid.  ::)

AHH! The bleach! It does nothing!

That's how people like him operate. He's just an ego driven idiot who surrounds himself with yes-men and puppets. Anyone who doesn't share his doctrines is labeled the "nazi" "troll" "control-freak" (irony and self-awareness not intended). Meanwhile he makes them feel "speshul" and like their in on the joke.

People like Marcela drink his kool-aid and lap it all up. I don't exactly feel sorry for her. Who is stupider? The idiot or the idiot who follows him? But it does make a lot of sense if you look at it like the old swindler swindling his "student" scheme. 

You pretty much hit it all on target  ;D His little cult following is soo sick! I guess all he has to do is give them a hug and a mug and send them on their way to FA-dom. And they are hooked (until the kool-aid runs out). Defending his every criminal way. (as padre stated: "I'm embarrassed to admit I am starting to like this search and destroy bit very much!.-you can see a macro of it on pg 30 of paysite macros) It truly is nauseating to see how quick these fools are to jump on thoma$$'s bandwagon!! And the crap they do to "win" his affection! (Ie: Izazu commenting in coconut's blog...anything atwat does...)

Hopefully there is a revival of senses and logic-BUT that is a longshot. :-\

Stooopid Marcela is even more stupid than we all originally estimated. Not only did she order a forum that she had fuck all to do with to ban most of their staff, afterwards she went crying to a german speaking forum with a little sob story and when everyone disagreed with her she created some fake ass profiles to flame everyone and then promptly got banned.  Just shows how much attention she paid to the reflex forum, if the stupid bitch knew anything about forums she would know that staff can see IP addresses!

HAHA thanks for sharing this awesome bit of info! MAN what a STUPID biatch! She should have asked thoma$$ for that ip generator thingie before she went in there trying to so valiantly defend "marcela's" honor! This made my night! lmao :D

STUPID STUPID Marcela is STUPID STUPID! (sorry for the caps use yall..but I think it's warranted to express how really *ummhmm* stupid she really is!)

Sadly, facts, logic, and sincere straightforward conviction aren't much in the face of majority rule. When I was a kid, I had a friend who swore up and down that the word "grudge" meant "promise" and that my take on the word was WRONG. Even going so far as to gather as many on the playground to say that "grudge" means "to promise or agree" and shake hands on it. She was right because she could convince people that she was. Not because she had any linguistic sense or taken the time to judge a simple word in context, like ever.

I still chuckle about that from time to time.

TSR is a big, shiny website, so people figure it can't be wrong. That's just how most people think. Numbers win.

Sorry, that's my last cynical post for the day.

And yes, Jonesi. STUPID STUPID Marcela. It should be her legal name now, on her ID, birth certificate. FTW

(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b33/cosmic_charly/simsmisc/5b98e784.jpg)

Thanx calalily, I'd forgotten how much fun that was. I<3 izazu. I really do.

Oh and Marcela ya, she's just trying to edge her way into the Teutonic Twats club. Ain't gonna happen.

She's just a twat all her own  ;)  :o

LOL @ Devilfish! Lemmings go in TSR ocean. *plop*

Yeah that's right.  There's no classifying her.  Shes completely classless  ;D

Check out the Reflexsims homepage. LOL! Marcela, and Thomass and his ilk, should be eliminated via natural selection.

Um... I may have missed something, but I saw this on that ew FA's blog:


Did I miss something? Because that url leads nowhere and it's the first I hear about it.

That will be the new forums address once it is up an running.  (from what I understand form the thread on sims cave)

Way off topic, but I read somewhere that the popular mythos  of mass-drowning-lemmings was due to Disney's "creative" nudging of facts. A group of lemmings DO in fact run off a cliff and drown in an old disney "nature documentary" but what most people don't know is that a stagehand chased them off the cliff.

Or so I've read. *cough* Back to scheduled programming. Nothing to see here.
Ahoy  Black Pearl!

Don't know if it was Disney, believe it was Wild Kingdom.  Staged nature shows were the norm and a lot of facts about animals on those shows were comletely made up to make for better ratings.

Disney did the Wild Kingdom shows, and yes, they murdered lemmings en masse. Lemmings don't jump off cliffs normally.

Stupid Disney!
Prefer Attenborough, anyway. :-\

Mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom was on before the Wonderful World of Disney on Sunday nights when I was a kid. Disney did a nature series called True Life Adventures, but had nothing to do with Wild Kingdom which was a separate show.

Yes, Wild Kingdom did some pretty crazy stunts even before (rest his soul in peace) Steve Irwin was wrestling crocs. "Watch now as Jim holds the python" at which point poor Jim would get tangled with some python and struggle in the background as Marlin Perkins gave some information on the snake, animal, whatever. Apparently Animal Planet shows the show in syndication now.

No, the Lemmings incident was one of Disney's True Life Adventure series.  Not Wild Kingdom, which was a separate show sponsored by an Insurance Company--Mutual of Omaha.l

For the ugly truth about this, you can read it all here (http://www.snopes.com/disney/films/lemmings.asp). I loves me some Snopes late at night.

That's what threw me - I'd read this article, and confused the MoO with the Disney one.

It's late, and you're most likely tired and both of the shows had a history of staging the animal action, so it's not unreasonable to get them crossed, which is why I went to Snopes. They iz mythbusters... :D

Thats disturbing they would want to do that. But anything to make a buck apparently, right.

Actually there are two myths about Lemmings that are completely untrue. The first, obviously, is that they jump off cliffs. The second is that the first myth was invented by disney. In fact it predates disney, as episode 5 of series 4 of the wonderful british show QI shows
So there you go, another myth dispelled by Stephen Fry

This has been random facts from Elphaba, tune in next time for 'The shin: a device for finding furniture in the dark' and 'Yes you CAN walk on custard!'

Lemmings do fall to their deaths en masse when their population explodes and they migrate though, but those are not suicides, they're accidents. I suppose to a casual observer it could look like a mass suicide, which would explain the entry in Arthur Mee's Children's Encyclopedia.

And in any case, real lemmings don't interest me quite as much as those cute little green-haired critters :)

I grew up seeing that Disney video week after week (they showed a clip of them leaping off the cliff it during the opening of Wide World of Disney, every single Sunday night)  and with most people believing that Lemmings killed themselves when their population was too big. 

My father though, called bullspit on this almost imedietly, pointing out that there were more logical things to do to restore population than for all the healthiest Lemmings to go leaping off to death.  Most animals in population control situations will stop mating, or kill the young.  Yes, I know, we're a child centered society now, that would kill all adults in order to save the precious children, but in the animal kingdom it's a bit different.  Until they become young adults,  animal babies are a liability to the society.  They cannot self sustain, they need other to help. Even worse, if they are nursing, they tie up another member so that the rest of the tribe have to protect mother and babies.  If it gets to the point where there is not enough food for everyone, the logical thing to do is to get rid of the members who are taking resources without giving back.  The young and the old.

For a mass suicide, even if the entire colony of Lemmings ran to jump off the cliff, the strongest and fastest would make it first, leaving the weaker behind.  Yeah, that's logical for evolution.

My father was convinced that it was all faked.  And what do you know?  He was right.  But even better, he convinced me and my brother of that as well, it also helped teach us to think before we accept. 

Lemmings don't actually jump off cliffs, they actually simply fall off because of the pushing of too many crowds of lemmings. It IS, however, an overpopulation reaction, as when there are too many lemmings, they decide to migrate, like coconuts, only lemmings do so in hordes (as opposed to being carried by African swallows). At some point they reach a cliff, and decide to stop, but the lemmings behind them can't see this cliff, so push them over.

Exactly.  Mass migration is a smart move when the area is getting played out, send a bunch to a new area, or have everyone go to a new area that isn't played out.  Having a "Who can jump off a cliff to their death faster!" contest isn't.  While it may get rid of the stupidest ones, it also gets rid of the strongest and fastest ones as well.

Dying for some, on the way to the new place, is acceptable in most circumstances.  As long as the new place has a good mix of breeding capable males and females, repopulation will happen.  As well as mishaps, if the journey is long and difficult, some of the weaker will die out too.  Again, from an evolutionary standpoint, it's a win-win, because that means less of a population that needs to be cared for mucking about in a new area, and also keeps some of the weaker out of the breeding pool. 

The point remains that lemmings are not the brightest creatures out there. While they're not suicidal, this particular form of mishap IS something they essentially cause as a result of herd mentality.

Wow! I had no idea lemmings could spark such conversation ;)


If you go by this than it seems to me TSR are the "new" lemmings.  ::)

No! Then I'd be hard pressed not to feel some sort of pity for them

I would agree the herd mentality isn't very smart, but not all evolutionary moves are smart, it mostly comes down to "Will the species be able to go on with this."  Improvements are always good, but not everything is an improvement.  Or, sometimes something was an improvement and now is no longer an improvement, but it's also not enough of a disability/liability to cause the species to die out.  I don't know what dangers lemmings face where they are, but I would imagine when the herd behavior started, there was probably a good reason.  Most likely a Lemming stamped helped get through an enemy territory  "Sure, you may want to eat us, but we'll just mow you over by sheer mass!"   Even if some were killed and eaten by enemies, the sheer volume factor would make sure everyone wasn't killed.  Same with the cliffs.  If they had to get near cliffs and some fell because of the whole "herd" thing, then obviously the sacrifice of lemmings is acceptable and they're still able to thrive.

I haven't done much research into Lemmings, but some types seem to be on the endangered list, but this doesn't seem to be because of mass migration, it seems more likely that we humans are invading their turf.  

T$R are the predators that chase the herd off of the cliffs and eat those that can't out run them.

Oh for the love of all that is holy...PLEASE tell me that is not an honest-to-goodness real-life piccie of The Twat. My eyes are bleeding. I see now that I must change the comic...I made her backside too lovely to illustrate such a hideous...uggggh. I am struggling for words right now, so will turn to quoting the illustrious "Westley" (brought to Eighties-eye-candy life by Carey Elwes) "Dear God, what is that THING?!"

Oh yeah...and whoever suggested the "group portrait"...ding-ding, we have a winner! I'm chortling with much mirth and glee over how much fun that will be to do.  ;D

Lemmings are not very bright but they are rather tasty !

I'll give a hearty OM NOM NOM to 80's Carey Elwes!  :D

 

Hmmm yes.  I remember lemmings well.  A great game. I used to like trapping them by putting a blocker lemming at either side, waiting for them all to fall through and then nuking the lot of them.  They'd wipe out entire hills with their explosions.  Guarranteed fun and hilarity for all.  (The sound of that 'Oh no!' then 'pop' is echoing in my mind ;D )

Heartily seconded!

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y265/siberiansunset/lemmings.jpg)

 ;)

Coconut is pure win   ;D


http://tsr.mustbedestroyed.org/?page_id=358

(http://tsr.mustbedestroyed.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/tomreflex.jpg)

Not so gone...

(http://tsr.mustbedestroyed.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/reflex.jpg)

 :o Man Coconut totally PWNS their ASS! (yet again!) Thanks karu for alerting me to the new entry! :D

 *passes celebration rum*  ;)

ETA: *gone* sorry for that-in all fairness to her (yes...) it does look made up.

Dude - remove personal information - even Atwat's. Not cool. We don't harass. All better.  :-*

hmmm... anyone else having problem accessing coconuts alternate site (w/o the mustbedestroyed addy)?


http://www.tsrcoconut.info/

I've been having that all day. Eventually it goes through. A direct link to the mustbedestroyed URL works fine though.

Actually I can't access it either. ??? Well maybe it will be back up later?

*will always think ahead Cala-my apologies!*   :-*

I couldn't get to it either with that link. I had to look for the post that had to link to the new entry, and I had no problem.

For the people that care to know and don't know yet: Black Pearl Sims will be open at 11 pm GMT this evening.

Hurray!

Well, that's definately a shame.

And did convince me and Funny that Pimp my Sims.com will move from a strict "neutral" position with no pirates or pay content policy to a "we will not use any pirated content ourselves and will respect copyright claims of third party creators" but will also link to sites containing pirated content. And Pimp my Sims.com 2.0 ( yes, we are not dead and yes, we will start again soon and yes, that's a stupid name i know, but the upcoming relaunch is simply an enhanced version of the old, not longer up to date site) will contain a feature, where users can link to creations based on some stuff from our site. And we will allow links to pirate sites there, too.

I always thought this kind of "war" would end in the long run, but obviously it doesn't. And our decision to leave our strict "no pirates" position in favour of a more moderate position will be flanked by a absolutely strict "no commercial use" policy. Meaning that no paysite will be allowed to use a single file in whatever download, if it is not available for free 24/7 for everyone.

I know, somewhat off topic ;)

Very awesome to know your new site policies! Let us know when the new site's up too! ;)

Quite honestly I think it is very sad how far everything has gone. The fact that TSR planned (and sickly celebrated in) the destruction of a very well known, respected and NEUTRAL site is just..no words. It's smart to assume if they are warring against neutral grounds what the heck they will do to the other sites. Because let's face it they will not be happy until they have turned the Sims community into a TSR monopoly-they want no other competition! It truly is US (everyone NOT tsr) vs THEM.

Very ridiculous. Oh well, they have pissed a LOT of people off. Luckily their foolishness and greed trump any intelligence they may have had. ;)

If it wasn't for coconut's blog we wouldn't have any proof of all their awful "behind the back alley" shameful tactics! I'm just glad others are starting to see the BS that is tsr

Solander, I think I love you! :D

Well it became in TSR's eyes a war against anyone but them. RSF was a peaceful, neutral site (not forgetting charming amounts of glitter  ;D) so attacking and destroying them...? Well, no words on it. The screenshot you quoted is shocking, and as much as it is a horrid, stark revelation, thank you to Coconut for showing it.

Good luck with the future site, Solander  :)

Well said, Sabian.  I've been worried that sims fan sites would turn into one big conglomeration of stuff that's exactly the same as other stuff.  Another reason  to continue the fight against the way TSR operates.

Solander, I've always been a big fan of your site and am glad to read about your new policy.

I was willing to give Thomas the benefit of the doubt re his role in shutting down RSF until I saw the coconut's screenshot.  The man is an utter fool.  He keeps shooting himself  in all of his big floppy feet.

All that fighting over who was responsible for the baleeting. Come you guys, no more fighting. I haz a sad. :'( 
Can't you all just be equatards and get along? People might think you're petty.

On a happier note. At least now we know the asshat can count backwards from 5. Maybe next he can get Dot to explain shape.

To Jonesi and the Black Pearl Sims staff and crew, I am sorry for what you have been through because of these arrogant assholes. I know you will come back bigger, better and stronger because of the trial you have been through. And you have discovered a whole other world of friends and supporters you never knew you had.

To Solander, great to know you are bringing your site back. Love the site and love the new policy.

 :-*

Yay! Great news. TSR is digging it's own grave. It's awesome.

I love how padre333 picked a tough black dude for an avatar. ::)

Thomass is both a control freak and a moron. Not a great combination if one wants to succeed in life.

But in Thoma's sick mind, he is succeeding in life. But if the most you can do in life is to steal money from people, have no regards for any laws, and have to shut down other sites to make yourself happy, then your life wont amount to much.

Thomass IS a success. At SUCKING!  >:(

Well Thomas, BlackPearlSims going up in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, Its up!

*Passes around the rum*

Got to toast to BlackPearlSims opening.

*Flips off Thomass while toasting the BlackPearlSims with rum* HUZZAH!!

Here's something for a laugh  ;)

LMAO I just logged into TSR (to see if I was banned yet  :P ..) and they took ALL my "kudos" away! Oh noooees! LMFAO! That is soo hilarious!


(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y265/siberiansunset/ass.jpg)


I love this! They think they are "punishing" me for using my brain,comprehending the facts and speaking out about it!? Sorry Thoma$$, but money doesn't rule my life and there is NOTHING that justifies the BS you guys are doing at TSR. CRIMINALS. And a bunch of fools. Anyone thinking of going to TSR/sitting on the fence: Wise up and read all you can (coconut's blog)! Look at this funny crap-I have broken none of their rules, but for speaking my opinion on another site they "punish" me. Oh well! *the sad, sad panda plays me a sad song bc of the world's biggest (tiniest...no I'm not going there without eye & brain bleach!  ;)) dickhead.

Hey go ahead and close my account too while you're at it because I was never going to use those kudos anyways and you sure as hell were never gonna get a cent from me! Besides Kibahnah (cassandre) was the only reason I even looked at your site: and she's not there anymore ;) :D ;D
Go jerk off in your tube sock thoma$$...

I am soo glad that learning the truth has set me free!  ;D

ETA: Wow. They actually reinstated my kudos (for how long??) I actually am floored TSR. :o I never expected you to right your wrongs. *checks TSR for fever* So how about beginning to make right your other  Serious wrongs?...Just a thought.  :P

Yay, Solander and yes - let us know when you've got the site back up :)

And if TSR closes down everyone, where the hell will they -learn- to make pay crap and steal fresh decent modders from?

Thing is, they won't be able to close everyone down. :)

Good point Soggy Fox. On their site they thank a bunch of free people for making CC what is is now. Do they think they could do that themselves?

Solander-

I am so happy about your new policies.  I cannot applaud you enough.  Since you are doing this and the new Black Pearl is pretty much doing the same thing, that is two big areas that Thomas is directly responsible for going from anti-booty to a more actual neutral, but fair stance that allows booty links. 

Thanks Thomas, you rock!   :-*

No they won't try to close everyone down, just the ones that aren't useful and/or meek.

Thanks for all the well wishes, we all really appreciate the support  :-*

My current husband grew up being best friends with my exhusband.  When me and current husband were married, current husband sent ex a thank you card which said, "Thanks for being a dick!"

I almost want to send something like that to Thomas. Because honestly, Thomas has done more to help the cause that he tries to fight.  I know I was leaning when I first started coming here, but I didn't fall over until I saw those screen shots.

So, keep up the good work, Thomas! God bless you and thank you for being a dick. 

"How dare you associate with those filthy pirates! Now we'll make sure you'll never be able to participate in our (obviously-rigged) lottery!" :D

Is it me being soppy, or is that actually quite sweet?
They always do say "true love comes to those who wait"!
In my case it was "distance makes the heart grow fonder", considering the other half is actually from quite a distance away from me originally, he lived in South Wales I lived in North Wales (UK), so there was a hek of a distance between us!
Did you vision youself being with your ex-hubby's friend while you were with him Darqstar? Sorry, OT I know, but these sorts of stories lighten my heart and make me go Awww :P :)

Actually, when I first met my current husband, I hated him.  Me and the Ex were living in an apartment about the size of a postage stamp.  Current husband had moved to Vegas in senior year of HS, and now wanted to come back and live in New England.  Ex told him he could stay at our place.  We hadn't been married for a year yet.   So yeah, I resented him.  But then, my ex was working all the time, and me and Current husband became best friends.

Current moved back to Vegas for awhile, I divorced Ex, dated someone else for awhile, then Current got ahold of me and things took off from there.  Once we announced our marrage, Current confessed that he had always loved me (I suspected he did) and that he had backed off, to give me a chance to get over Ex and to explore who I was, not someone's daugher or someone's wife, but just me.  But he always held a torch for me. 

I felt so unworthy.   ;D

I made this last night & posted it on Black Pearl Sims for everyone there, so i thought id add it here too :)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v451/Witchboy/Smileys%20Ect/Everyday/SuckIt.gif)

That is excellent!

Cool beans! Snagged for my own collection.

 :D

awesome! I was wondering if someone was going to do that! *passes rum to ya* This will become an instant classic I believe   ;)

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y265/siberiansunset/SuckIt.gif)

I really wonder how Thomas got to be where he is, you know.  I know some people in high level jobs who truly suck at what they do and all of them, without exception, have been placed there by richer, more powerful family members who are equally incompetent. Is that the case here? Because he just doesn't seem the type to succeed at making money for two own homes in times of crisis on his wits and bussiness sense alone. How did he get there? Who planted him there? Because I just can't believe he worked his way to his position. Even pure evil can't accomplish that much without the genius to back it up.

Is Thomas related to Steve?

I would say richer and more competent people put him there.  Think about it - how often do we see Steve, Per or Johan in these screenshots? Never.  They're never doing something absolutely retarded - it's always Thomass.  See the paysite macro thread I'm about to post in.

I was just pondering this topic actually. Naturally they are smart enough to find someone stupid to do their dirty work and take the flack for it. But...Oh, wait thoma$$ does that too. But he's not smart. Damn them. *scratches head* Tsr is always changing the meaning of things.  :-\

It makes you wonder how much they are profiting off of this BS. If thoma$$ is building a 2nd dream house than what number are they on? >:(
Your macro made me lol cala! :D

I heard that it's a family affair. Thomas's father owns a multimedia company and they do websites and so on. TSR was started as a branch of the operations. That's what I heard, anyway.

Definately. And I don't even know if they know half the shit he does - they don't dick around in the community like him.  They might be mortified by his hamfisted backdoor deals.

Now, onto another related topic to RSF.

So, the owner of exoticelements contacted me. For those of you curious, very nommable downloads. http://www.exoticelements.org/

She asked me to have a look and compare two meshes - one she made yonks ago and pulled, and one from Reflex sims the paysite, recently released.  And lo and behold what did I find - but almost identical meshing. As an object mesher, I say that even if you work from the same pictures, and have the mesh in Milkshape, you cannot produce the very same peice. Ever.

Now before anyone tries to out this as deceptive, this is the same Heidi involved in previous Cole related dramas.  She doesn't want unnecessary drama, or anything else, but she also doesn't want a paysite profiting off her.  This is particularly ironic as Marcela *just spent* a couple of days calling *us* thieves, and shutting down RSF for entertaining welcoming us thieves to the forum.

Why would Marcela use this? Because Heidi took that download down years ago because it was too high poly - it was made before polycounts were important, and I have to say, the polycount is a kicker.  Heidi still gets requests for it though, which is undoubtedly why Marcela thought she could thieve it and make money.

She brought this to me, because she wanted someone to confirm that it was indeed the same mesh before getting embroiled.  She wanted to be sure, and I think she's smart. I would have happily told her she's crazy.  But I don't think she is. 

Here is my case for why it is:

Firstly, it has exactly the same poly and vertex count - which means that she would have had to match Heidi point for point - and seeing as it is an extremely high poly mesh, that to me looks like it could lose quite a few of those polys as unnecessary. So to match them for no benefit - foolish.  So that's one point for Marcela the thief.

(http://i39.tinypic.com/xnzvvb.jpg)

See how similar they look even though she's changed the shape a bit - dirty pool.


Secondly.  See the curves on Marcela's mesh - the same curves as Heidi's, but the bottom is pulled down - worst still, she didn't even try to hide the similarity in the base of the mesh - they are both uneven.

(http://i43.tinypic.com/wc04n9.jpg)

Thirdly, note the "zigzag" pattern there where the bulb meets the stem - it would be almost impossible to construct them in a similar manner, and that to me screams a unique mesh by a certain artist.  Since Heidi was first, it's pretty clear.

(http://i40.tinypic.com/504bb4.jpg)

Fourthly, look at the stamen - I've cut away part of the mesh here to show the similarity.  Neither stamen is connected to the flower - when it is in the real flower.

(http://i44.tinypic.com/2ui8c20.jpg)

Fifthly - when I was doing that, I moved them next to each other for the screenie, and low and behold. Look at the shape and angle - both are the same angle without me fiddling with them, but just using face front to back and lining them up.  Too much coincidence for me.

(http://i41.tinypic.com/ioislf.jpg)

Lastly - go and look through Marcela's site - she's a fan of planes (flat shapes with photoskinned flowers) and no highly detailed meshes - yet this is so incredibly detailed? http://www.reflexsims.de/ If you want to look at the offending file, it's the callas in the Glenn Set.  While you're there, note all the blossoms that are flat - and if you have it in game, I'm sure you can attest to it.

If you would like to see the pictures Heidi herself took and showed me after I confirmed that it looks ripped off, they are here:

http://www.exoticelements.org/Ref5.jpg

http://www.exoticelements.org/Ref4.jpg

http://www.exoticelements.org/Ref3.jpg

http://www.exoticelements.org/Ref2.jpg

http://www.exoticelements.org/Ref1.jpg

Definitely looks like the same mesh, modified slightly, but the same mesh.

Granted, I've done that - but using maxis mesh bits to make maxis match furniture.  To sell someone else's work is despicable, but then this is Marcela we're talking about.

Ah good - two confirmations she's not crazy. And the arsey bitch eh? Wanting Jonesi to ditch the forum and being a secret thief herself! Bet she thought no one would notice - but most people can recognise their own work.

Wow. I have no meshing experience-but it looks quite Obvious from both yours and her pics that this is the same mesh. (even if she just "tweaked" it a little...)
I'm sure she thought she could get away with it since it was made a while back.

Marcela you are a dirty, stupid hypocrite.

The number of polys sold me right away.   That is IMPOSSIBLE to do twice exactly the same way, unless you are doing box, box, box. 

Have you checked the mapping?

I'm totally a non-mesher, but even to me those look too similar to be anything original from the second person.

Doh! Didn't even occur to me. 

Here's heidi's map:
 (http://i39.tinypic.com/2lat020.jpg)

Here's reflex map:
(http://i40.tinypic.com/sb3ep3.jpg)

They're mapped completely differently, except marcela's makes no logical sense.  Heidi's is how I would map it. Reflex map looks like she didn't realise she could use Heidi's mapped object as well - or perhaps she's a really crap mesher. :P

This IS the woman that sells stuff that bleeds so badly that it's unusable in the game, unless you enjoy your beds, bathtubs, sinks, etc sitting in the center of the room where they can't sink through the walls when they're up.

Oh yeah, Reflex stole that, no doubt in my mind.  I'm not a mesher, but the Doc did a lot of meshing and I watched him and saw enough that I know duplication to that extent is impossible.  And I'm betting Reflex deliberately remapped in order to throw people off the track.

I understand that she doesn't want to cause a fuss, but it doesn't seem right that someone who can whine about stealing and go on the side of TSR because OMG, they iz loozin teh monezz! and then steal from a fellow creator is about as low as you can get.

I'd be tempted to put up a mini website where you could put the pictures up and the explanations and then put the URL in my sig file on ever forum I could find, including the official BBS.  Don't say, "HEY I'M SLAMMING REFLEX!" just leave it and let folks judge for themselves. 

A really poor mapper because she didn't make it.

Well, I think our problem is going to be finding the original - she waited until this had been offline for a year or two and thought it safe.  I agree with all your points. If only heidi wasn't a good mesher, we could look for similar faults in her mesh - but she's too good. :D In all fairness, Heidi made this when the community was just modding - so she wasn't to know the problems she was creating - when she did, she pulled it.  But, Marcela sees it as an opportunity to SELL SELL SELL!

And looking at the map - she's obviously stolen it - the only other detailed flowers she has are in the pearl apartment set (as far as I could see) and it looks like they weren't mapped by an idiotic monkey.

(http://i43.tinypic.com/zmxjpk.jpg)


Well, she doesn't want it sold - and she's hesitant because of previous dramas.  She's angry about this - ironically she found it because of the reflexsims forum drama! Marcela and Thomass shot themselves in the foot it seems. Idiots.

Well, maybe we need a Hall of Shame thread, like TSR had on the pirates, but we'll be legal and only use Net identities.  And then anyone who finds something like this, can put it up, let other people judge too.  Or, was this already done?

That's beyond pathetic >:(  If you're going to charge for something, the least you could bother to do is create your OWN stuff.

Meh - confusion happens. I did it myself yesterday, and was forced to macro myself back to the stone age. Have a macro and feel better:

(http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/4782/ijustdidadoodyinyoursocjy9.jpg)

Really you shouldn't be surprised. Theft in their dictionary is when THEIR pockets aren't being lined sufficiently. They have no other meaning for the word theft.

Calalily thank you very much for posting this here.

In Marcela's FAQ she says:
 
·         -What happen to the Forum?

Unfortunatly the moderators have not accepted reflexsims`policies concearning piracy, and file-sharing. For Reflexsims it is important to respect the intellectual property of all designers, and to share file with other members is only allowed with permission of the designer. Also Reflexsims does not agree with the piracy-mentality of some communities, and the Forum sadly became one of them with the time. It is really sad for me, but I had no other choice.

I was just livid that she caused an innocent forum and thousands of members to be displaced for "piracy" when she herself is selling something she didn't even make. I am used to paysites using premade meshes and selling them to unsuspecting customers, but I never in a milion years would have imagined them using something of mine. Especially something so old and so...bad! It is pretty clearly stated in my policy that you can't use anything of mine on any paysite.

I think the reason she used that very odd texture map is that she figured it would give her away to use mine. Unfortunately for her, all the pieces had been merged together, so her only option, barring using my map which would be risky, was to remap it the only way she could.

If you look at her site, she has my oriingal vase and flowers all over the pictures of some of her "free" sets. Several years ago she put it on her site without my permission when she recolored it. At the time, it was actually fine she did that because my site was down and I told her so after it had been up for download for a while. My point is that she has had access to that thing almost from the time I made it.


 

Your right nouk. Theft is when they don't get their money or someone takes an item from their site and re posts is. But when they take an item from another site and re post it, its being an open and sharing community.

You are most welcome.  :-*


Yeah - if she remapped it grouped, when she didn't with the other one - that shows she's trying to hide it.  I could have hidden it in the map - but I'm better than her. :P Bet she thought you'd never see it, and had forgotten about it.  Lousy bitch - after what she did to the Black Pearlers.

*snerk* Perhaps its been kind of a glum day. But this has provided my first real chuckle thus far.
Thanks for that. ;)

Oh, it makes sense. Looks like a map you get if you use BodyPaint, which is available with Cinema4D. And as far as i know, she uses it to create her meshes. The reason for those extremly weird maps is, that you paint the mesh in the program like using photoshop in 3D and the program creates the UV map and applies the colors to it automaticaly. This way, you can get almost perfectly textured surfaces (no distortion effects, smooth transition between different parts of the mesh etc. etc.) but the UV map is almost unusable for anyone not working with BodyPaint and Cinema.

Don't nail me down on this, but i am pretty sure this is the explanation for this somewhat strange mapping :)

That, or you simply use 'remap' and select from wich side you want to remap in Milkshape. Has the same inefficient result.

But her other mesh is mapped differently - with logic, and not at all like that. If she used Cinema4D, it would have a similar bizarre map - but it's like Heidi's map. If it was the same with the other mesh, argument could be made - but that looks to me like a box mesh remap. 

Maybe different mapping mode. You can set some parameters which mapping methods should be used. This results in completely different maps from classic style maps similar to Milkshape etc. to those "optimized" maps. But i can't tell for sure.

I think you're reaching for the bizarre explanation, when there's a perfectly good non-bizarre one.  I don't change my settings and do them over when meshing, so I fail to see why she would change them so rapidly this one time. 

Doesn't surprise me at all, infact apart from feeling bad for Heidi it makes me chuckle a little that one person could fail so much in such a short space of time. Thank god we're no longer associated with her crappy site!

Did Heidi make that mesh from scratch or use a premade 3D source? They are too similar for both to claim to be made from scratch. Either Marcella has yoinked it, or they both used a premade 3D object. Did not see it stated that Heidi had made it from scratch, so correct me if I missed that.

Also, is it just my suspicious mind, or do you think TSR gave Nanu a nudge to make a gift (http://blackpearlsims.com/showthread.php?t=22964) to save some face and put TSR in a better light? There were subscribers at RSF and TSR do often plan deliberate attempts to boost their image like that.

From Nanu's posts at RSF and the new forum, I get the impression that he really likes it there and is liked in return.  So I wouldn't be surprised if he made the gift without TSR's meddling.

You may be right with that dietofworms. :P I do hope it was an actual act of kindness, and not for murky reasons. I just would not put it past TSR to encourage him to do so.

I thought I would have to sign up at Black Pearl. It was a nice surprise to see that my login from the old forum worked.

I was pretty happy about that, too, until I discovered that I can't remember my password to save my life! Sadly, I signed up on my old e-mail account, which is now defunct. :'(
But I'm super stoked about the new site. I always felt a little bad loving the reflex forum, because I really dislike the reflex site. Hugs to the Black Pearl Peoples, for coming back better than ever!

I made it from scratch.

Yes!

No, nothing to forgive. I made this flower like 3 weeks after we had the ability to put meshes in the game and I had no idea about polys or their impact on the game. I remember making it and I subdivided the hell out of it.   :-[

 I think you are right, he seems to be a nice guy.He doesn't seem to be all hateful and jaded yet. Too bad he is in with the TSR but you never know, maybe with some encouragement he will switch to be a free creator.

It's for sure that TSR didn't had anything to do with that gift. After becoming a gold member last month he promised a gift to rsf members, he even posted a thread asking all of us what we want. After all what happened I believe that he made those black pearls as a sign of support to the new forum. 

Yeah, i remember reading the post where he offered making a gift. What i've noticed was that he offered to make ONE mesh. Considering the fact that he usually upload big sets at TSR, i think that if he really cared about the RSF, he would have offered an entire set, not only a single item. To tell the truth, i think that what he really wanted was to see how much people would post requests in the thread and prove that he is loved by everyone and that he's such a great and generous artist blablabla...

Plus, that candle gift looks familiar. He uploaded something similar at TSR, than cloned it and added the pearls to match the new forum's name. Yeah, he's such an original artist! ::)

He is well liked and he's a nice young man too, always helpful and polite.  It is a pity he's an FA but we're not gonna hold that against him :p  As long as he follows our rules he's more than welcome at the forum, what he does about his FA status is completely up to him, he's old enough to make his own decisions.

The purpose of BP is not pro- or anti paysite activism, anyone is welcome, so I would just sit back and enjoy the atmosphere.

Marcela is so absolutely full of fail - and to think, she may have gotten away with her thievery if she'd let you all continue on. Good job Marcela, you dickhead.


No. He tries to stay neutral on the whole subject.  He said elsewhere that he likes both sites, and he's careful to stay neutral because he likes them both.  He promised to do a gift for RSF before the shut down when he was made a gold member, and that was about a week before the shutdown.  So I'd say he just switched what he was going to do.

Alright, thank you for the correction ;) Was merely wondering on that, and was not aware that he was still very active at RSF. Sorry if I caused any offense with asking.

Edited to add more

 :-* Not offended - can't expect you to know everything about everyone.  :) But both he and I were made gold members in February - so perhaps this may explain why TSR were watching the forum so closely.

Craptacular news!

Angelamveliza has just been accepted to FA status. http://www.thesimsresource.com/news/view-post/post/10189 (http://www.thesimsresource.com/news/view-post/post/10189) Another money-hungry sheep joins the flock. Now I'm just wondering how that's going to work with the newly allowed booty-linking on BPS since she's a forum-designer there.  :-\

Wonder what that person is even thinking after what happened?

She must have already had her head up Thomass' ass for the past week. I'll bet it's hard to read and/or comprehend when one is up there. Not to mention the odor.

She's probably thinking something along the lines of "SHOW ME MONIES NAO." Really, it isn't conceivable to me that anyone is buying into the whole idea of TSR being anything respected or looked up to - especially someone who spends a lot of time on other sites. Maybe she knew about the plans to shut down RSF - after all, that would solve any issues about cross loyalties. I'm not saying that she did, just speculating before coffee.

 I had to read that 3 times. I got new glasses and everything is blurry. Sadly I read it right the first time, she really is an FA now.  I guess she cares nothing for the site that gave her a place to start.

a-HA! I was waiting for that announcement. A couple of days ago all her stuff suddenly went pay right under my nose. It was too weird.

Hi, I'm new, and I, unfortunately have a TAR (oops!!) TSR account by this name, (if you look for me as a member of other forums you will see that I am not creative with my username for the sake of having a bad memory) I didn't know this type of bullshit was going on...... But.... I will be a little off topic here. (please forgive me, I am in High School; it is to be expected)....

You know... I've been thinking about this for a while. AND I feel like I need to play lawyer for a minute and weigh in on this mess. Can I say that EA is a total dumbass if it sides with the paysites? Their End User Agreement is totally opposing that. Look it up on paysites.mustbedestroyed.org (http://paysites.mustbedestroyed.org) and see who can be taken to court for the hell of it. Do you see what I mean now? So, I'm just saying that Thomass (like your nickname for the _____sucker) is going to be completely chopped and skrewed if I get to have a conversation with him over his mess, and It goes for Marcela and any of the money-hungry punks out there, cause this girl can make you look so bad that you will want to kill yourself.

And you can please to be putting this in English somehow because I got lost in your role-play somehow.

..Scusi? And please to be changing your font color back to black..my eyes they hurt..

blue font = fail

p.s. way to come on too strong Jentyre  ???

Opps!! I'm sorry. I've been lurking about too long to do that. I have a mean streak that I am bad at controlling. I apologize to you all, I did not mean to be offensivel. I was already mad at the paysite idiots, but when reflexsims closed the forum... well... let's just say that I did calm down some before I wrote that post.

Oh, and Moonie blue does not equal fail. It is my favorite color. But its okay if you don't like it.


I was just saying that if you look at the End User agreement, it's possible to just shut Thomas down and be done with him, (well, legally)

Sorry if I was confusing

I love blue.  Just not as a font color.

You're preaching to choir on that one, we know it chapter and verse. Some of us are here because of that very reason. If EA said today that pay sites are ok and changed their EULA, you wouldn't see many of us here. I like blue, but won't use it on a forum because it can distract from what you are saying in the effort to focus on the different colour.

okay. I will post in black from now on.

Yup - I think at one point I said jokingly if they side with paysites I'd sell my crap and give the good stuff away for free.

I think I read that wrong too.  :-[  But still, I think it's possible to just get rid of Thomas, and the rest of his gang.

Technically, yes, if you have the money to hire an army of lawyers and the time to force EA to follow their own EULA...

It's just not going to happen that way. Trust me. We've been at this for a while now.

DIE 12!

Yeah, that works too.

You don't need a lawyer, but you can send documented letters at least to EA, and the website owner(s) and see if they consider changing their tune. Or was that tried already?

We've tried and they still sit there with the fence post up their hind ends. They just don't want to take a stand on it.

I'm guessing you've not read the FAQ yet - strongly recommended.

Okay, I'm sorry again. I have some bad habits. This was the only time that I had not read the FAQ before I posted.

Right now all we can do it wait for TSR to kill itself from the inside out (which they are doing quite well right now), and for The Sims 3 to come out to see if EA has changed their tune on paysites.

Who knows, EA could say they're fine with paysites.  It wouldn't surprise me.

For some reason, I just can't see EA taking anyone's side. Picking one side means blowing off the other side, and for EA that means losing business. If they side with paysites, they'll lose the business of most of the free community, which is quite vast. However, if they condemn paysites, then they would lose their business and be out of cheap and easy advertisement. As long as they stay money hungry, they'll probably just stay neutral, even if their EULA is being violated.

I sincerely hope they don't choose a side, especially with the paysites. That would cause a bigger mess.

After what has happened in the past about 18 months, nothing at all will surprise me. (Ok, some things will surprise me, but it will take a lot.)

But i agree with eternal_darkness , EA will probaly not take any sides because that shuts out a part of the community, but they have done a good job in making CC creators mad when it comes to new meshes for The Sims 3.

I'm sorry that this isn't on the latest topic(I've only just started reading this thread) but I read that and I am propper pissing myself laughing here, I'm trying to kepp quiet because it's 3am here and I should be in bed for college starting back up, but my god, first laugh I've had today!! Thank you!!

Well, it would actually be a good thing if they decided to enforce their own EULA and side with us, but I honestly can't see that happening. If they do side with TSR, we will be losing some good pirates here. For me, the crap that both EA and TSR have pulled, is enough for me not to give a fuck whether EA sides with TSR or not. If they do, I will just extend my anger towards both of them.

Jentyre, thanks for clarifying to me earlier btw and changing the blue.