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*lurk mode off*

Not only is Rose charging insane prices on hair  >:( *note i have been guilty in donating for some* she then makes another site which is Chinese only that contains hairs from Rosesims2 plus other new outfits and hairs o.O Link (http://uk.babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_url?doit=done&tt=url&intl=1&fr=bf-home&trurl=http%3A%2F%2Fstore.taobao.com%2Fshop%2Fview_shop-f75ab9c7b1f5b5b3fb319589041afae3.htm&lp=zh_en&btnTrUrl=Translate), does this woman think that there are people out there that still pay through their noses for pixels. end rant

*lurk mode on*

Seeing as Rose's lengths to make money no longer surprises me, I do have to add one thing that raises questions... it also looks like she's selling meshes with BlooM's sexy feet added on (http://66.196.80.202/babelfish/translate_url_content?.intl=uk&lp=zh_en&trurl=http%3a%2f%2fauction1.taobao.com%2fauction%2fitem_detail-0db2-89a035adafd20a9009be552c4e98e104.jhtml) with no credits from what I can see.  Not sure about his policy on those meshes and pay sites using them, but I do know he did ask for credit on any parts of his work used at one point.  I'd say that's a cheap move of piggy-backing on her part if those are indeed the feet meshes he made.   >:(

I had a look on insim but couldn't see his policy.  I know yagami at our site often uses Blooms sexy feet in his meshes and always provide credit and a link back to the original meshes at insim so I would assume that is as per Blooms policy as we try to make sure we always respect the TOU of other free creators.

The woman has no morals  >:(

If you want, I can drop a note to him in the staff section and find out. I doubt he'd be pleased, but going to see if I can find his TOS just in case.

from dealing with Bloom, I know he likes to be at least asked and credited.. and fair enough too, he's a great modder.

It's the doublestandard thing "you're sharing meshes so I'll whinge about it but share some free ones just to annoy you"..

Yeah, but my hammer is bigger than hers and it speaks any language when it goes "WHAMMO!" upside the head... :D

I checked around also... looks like his policy sticky has gone AWOL since he got his own section, but I do remember him having a link directly to it in his signature sometime before the changes. 

I guess it's best to ask him directly about it now.  So yeah, Paden, you should drop him the line if you haven't already.   (didn't get a chance to PM him earlier about it because I had to leave shortly after I posted here... but I'm probably going to end up doing so now either way)  I'm pretty sure he won't be too happy about that fact, either, especially considering all of the hard work he's done in the community.  I know I wouldn't be. 

Oh yeah, I posted a thread in the staff section, with links to this thread and the one where the offense she's committing is posted. I hope to hear back from him soon.

 :D  I had went ahead and PM'ed him a little while ago still... but glad you did that anyways.  I sure wouldn't feel right if he didn't know this was happening or not. 

It seems you can only buy these things online with a Chinese bank accounts, or am I just an illiterate idiot?

Its a Chinese auction site (asked a friend to translate it a while back)...so only Chinese bank accounts yup. Means people bid as much as they want, the price gets really high, and only one person gets it. More money for Rose and a lot less likely that a pesky filesharer will get it.

I spoke to bloom last night about it.  Basically he said that his TOU got lost along the way when he was moved to his own section but yes she is breaching his TOU as well as those of poser.  He said it was ok to quote him so this is what he had to say basically:

Maybe contact whomever made them for poser?  Does he remember? People who make stuff for poser usually get pretty pissed about these sorts of things. 

Ah, thanks, Jojoba. I was thinking about donating some to the booty, but it seems I can't afford if if I have to bid.  :-\

This post is probably full of useless info, but I just thought some people would like to have physical evidence on the similarities between those too meshes in general.

So I poked around a bit with a few things, and downloaded one of Rose's free meshes that has the feet on them.  (the one with the stockings and red/purple/etc. nightgowns here (http://www.rosesims.org/clothes/roseclothes_21.htm), and the male mesh with the purple shirt on pg 19...  :P)  Apparently, I also ran across a "thanks" text file in the male file, though it's not the thanks we might be expecting.  (as copied:  "Thank qingming for the foot.") So if those feet on that particular mesh are what she's also using on the pay files, I'd have to say they're definitely similar to BlooM's, and most-likely edited to make them look like they're different.  The reason I say this...

(http://i34.tinypic.com/28vuebq_th.jpg) (http://i34.tinypic.com/28vuebq.jpg)  (http://i34.tinypic.com/2hfkkjo_th.jpg) (http://i34.tinypic.com/2hfkkjo.jpg)

When you enlarge the pictures, you'll see Rose's "borrowed" foot on the left and BlooM's conversion on the right.  Notice the extreme difference in the amount of details, but the same shapes that both have.  Whoever "qingming" is, they could've easily used any sort of poly reducer in a meshing program to make it look like that, just like it can be done in Blender:

(http://i33.tinypic.com/nyv7td_th.jpg) (http://i33.tinypic.com/nyv7td.jpg)  (http://i35.tinypic.com/2dazs6a_th.jpg) (http://i35.tinypic.com/2dazs6a.jpg)  (http://i34.tinypic.com/aadq13_th.jpg) (http://i34.tinypic.com/aadq13.jpg)

I just left the default settings for that program's poly reducer, and surprise-surprise, it almost looks like we have a rip-off.  Now all that needs to be done is to fiddle around with the UV maps a bit.

(http://i36.tinypic.com/2w4n0ns_th.jpg) (http://i36.tinypic.com/2w4n0ns.jpg) (http://i35.tinypic.com/2cs6j55_th.jpg) (http://i35.tinypic.com/2cs6j55.jpg) (http://i35.tinypic.com/2ewpoja_th.jpg) (http://i35.tinypic.com/2ewpoja.jpg)

The left UV is Rose's, the middle is BlooM's, and the right is both overlapped.  If these were two completely different feet conversions, wouldn't the UV's for the toes and the top of the feet not line up, seeing as the original poser mesh probably had a much different positioning than both?  Clearly those highlighted areas are spot on if you look at the UVs in any 3D meshing program.

I'm pretty much ready to call foul on this one.   ::)

Thanks for the info Light_Angel. Not to defend Rose in the slightest, but it should be pointed out that BlooM modified Poser meshes for his sexy feet. Of course, he gave full credit and they're free. Rose could have done the same. Unless they were completely identical, there is no way to establish that she took his feet and modified them.

That's precisely the difference though.  There are plenty of free 3d models available to use at will, but they usually stipulate that they are not for commercial use. 

You're welcome.  True, that's a good possibility... and I originally was thinking so until I saw the positioning of parts of the UV maps.  Unfortunately, there's really no true way to be sure if she/"qingming" did or not unless we see how the original poser mesh itself was done UV-wise.  Either way, like Sherry and gayle mentioned, it's against Poser's TOU, modified or not. 

You have got to be kidding me. Just when I'd gotten used to the idea of people paying real can-buy-burritos-with-it money for pixels, they start auctioning them? And people bid on it?

No, no, I've got nothing constructive to add. I'm well and truly baffled.

Peggy has some stuff on this site,too..

http://www.peggyzone.com/html/CN/SuperMember.html

I don't understand though...If most of the stuff they have on taobao is stuff they also have on their regular sites,why would people bet and pay that much  (since you say bets get really high) to be "the only one" to get an item.Doesn't everyone already have those items already?

What assholes, to make money out of other people's work. Unbareable.  >:(

Carebear, I think that site is just a Chinese version of her English site if I'm not mistaken. I'm wondering if there is something behind this taobao site though. It just seems to ridiculous. I mean are people really that stupid to bid on items like that?

I know a Chinese girl I'm talking to through msn.
She said Taobao is an auction site similar to ebay. So the title of the thread is a bit wrong.

There are lots of things which aren't available at Rosesims, for example at least one f2m-conversion and several traditional Chinese clothes, hairstyles, accessoires etc.

I think Rose does this mostly to sell her traditional stuff because she might think that in the western world the interest might not be very big in these things. And of course she might get more money this way.
I don't know if it really works like ebay, that you put up one item (one file) for auction and only one person gets it.
I cannot check it right now, the site would not open for me. But if I remember right there was a list of the peope who purchased an item when I last checked, and several of them were listed very close in date to each other. I'll need to ask what's up with this the next time...

In addition to that Rose's site was English only until very recently. Now she's added a Chinese translation for all of her section. It might have been very hard for Chinese people to buy the stuff if they didn't know English.



Peggy's site has been partly Chinese for years, not only at Peggyzone, but also at Peggysims 2 and even the site before that, where she had a stupid point system like Simfreaks. The Chinese girl I'm talking to said that a sub for Chinese people is even more expensive than a sub in American Dollar.

Echoing what Carissa said, 1 RMB (Chinese yuan) is more or less equal to 8 or 9 cents USD. What Rose is asking for, for a full outfit set is about $2 USD.

Take into consideration, though, for about the same amount of money, one could take a 20-minute long ride on the local bullet train. People are poorer in China, as it is a less developed country.
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All the more reason for them to use the booty.  ;D

Oh, the Chinese people are very good with sharing Sims files - the only files they don't share, at least not openly, are files by Chinese creators. This of course includes everything by Peggyzone, Rosesims, Huabunzu and Sunair from TSR, Bobosims etc.
Instead the girl said she was really surprised that we share every payfile, no matter where the creator is from. There are some places where one could get these files, but while the filesharing of foreign creations is done rather openly it is done in hidden places for Chinese files - which are some of the most expensive ones.

Ah, yep. Peach, GameSir, those file-sharing forums have pretty much everything but what Carisssa mentioned. It's not even an enforced law here, I walk into a DVD store and they don't have any legal copies.  ;D

Has anyone told Rose about this? I mean, maybe it was a mistake.  It could be.

If you point it out, she will probably take care of it herself, as she will not want to get a 'bad rep' because of it. What do you all think?

hugs,
Skye

Updated: I sent Rose a letter, with this link, so she could make a decision about this subject. With all the information in it, it will explain it all to her and she can remedy the situation. How's that?

A for effort Skye, but I don't think anyone here really believes this was all due to some whacky and hilarious misunderstanding. Rose has done some pretty vile things in the past and personally, I'm way past giving her the benefit of the doubt. We'll see what happens though, but I'm not holding my breath.

It's a possibility. Some time ago someone had made a collection of Roan hairs and was selling them as a "hair pack" on ebay without Roan knowing. A very slim possibility, but it could be a mistake.

Rose links to it on her own site (the big pink banner with Chinese writing), so it really is her.
I addition there are nearly only things which aren't on her site, another sign that it is her, it cannot be a mistake.

No,you have to click on the picture to be taken to her taobao page...

http://auction1.taobao.com/auction/item_detail-0db1-722575d046a6d82df1789187fdc318f9.jhtml

Ahh gotcha.  ;) I still wonder how they even manage to sell those creations on there though. The ones that aren't on the website I can understand, but the ones that are?