PMBD

Never had a subscription to actually download from there, mind you. But they didn't seem like TOTALLY ridiculous people. Now they're taking greedy to a whole new level!

URL for particularly interested peoples:
http://forum.simfreaks.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=5894&view=findpost&p=54439

Basically, they think that when EA releases Sims 3, they should release a creating tool that they will charge an arm and a leg for, and sell "licenses" to creators to entitle them to sell their creations. "To stop thievery". Puhlease.  ::)

SimFreaks is a shitty paysite. Their shit is so fugly.

Meh.

That would require them to first of all create an agreement with EA,and I've never heard SimFreaks having that type of connections. And also would mean that no one does a creating tool for free...or that the SimFreaks one would be better at least. I dont know much about SimFreaks, but have never heard of them having great tutorials or knowledge, so how they will create some master of a creating tool I am very curious.. ::)

Conclusion - meh.

(http://www.moreawesomethanyou.com/cats/piratecat.jpg)

I think you might be reading it wrong...or I am.  I think they are talking about EA selling a creator and charging people licensing fees to create stuff, like the Spore creator. 

Yes Piratessa, Heather, Simfreaks webmaster-"creator", usued to brag about her special relationship with Maxis, back to Sims 1.

But now The Sims 2 its EA game.

Anyways, Heather was always so full of s.... :-\

Rumor? This hasn't even reached the status of RUMOR yet. It is firmly within the realm of "wishful thinking" and lacks even as much substance as a rumor. A rumor is a piece of speculation on something that MIGHT be true, possibly backed by some amount of coincidental evidence. On the continuum of speculation, this isn't even ON the continuum of speculation.

Ya exactly. A more plausible situation would be EA licensing a creator for a small monthly fee and a cut of the action. Then obliging them to submit all creations to EA Quality Control for final inspection. After that all package files would contain a small tracking device so once installed, the package file would have to phone home for permission to to appear in the game. Any CC not activated from central command would just flash blue, even in catalogue view. Once the Death Star has confirmed the CC's identity and location it then becomes playable for up to 3 changes of decor before it self destructs killing all sims on the lot.

See now that's how you start a rumour.

*roflmao* kenmtl, I loved that!! beautiful work!!

That was brilliant kenmtl absolutely brilliant!  LOL!

 kenmtl, that was awesome.


As for SimFreaks, unfortunately I used to be a stupid ass as well, back in the Ts1 days, when they were the only people with decent winterwear and glamour clothes etc. Their Ts2 website is like a large sewage dump with a couple of leftover textures and crappy 12-style Ts2 exchange houses. Pay? I'd rather vomit all over my keyboard.

Yeah wishful thinking that is.  You buy your license to create things when you buy the game.  That's why they include the licensing rules in there - you have to agree to your software license to create things.

As for a license that gives you copyrights - *insert hollow laughing here* - EA is *not* going to give away or even sell what it rightfully owns.  If they did that, then all those people who pre-empt and outdo their expansion packs have the ability to make money that EA would rightfully see as "theirs".  And EA wouldn't be able to do a damn thing to stop them.  So if someone decided to release something called "Apartments" and charge money for it, even if it's based on EA's screenshots, then EA couldn't sue them as they've sold the rights.  Unofficial stuff packs would crop up in stores, and that's certainly no good when EA wants to sell them, and say hello to EA stuff packs reproduced for cheaper, and sold in shops legitimately.

If another company starts selling "The Simmies" well - all they have to do is buy a $50 license, they can release what they want using EA's game engine, and EA has demonstrated that they can do so.

Not to mention, if they try to sue any other company for copyright infringement, it would mean that their own claim to IP is weakened because they've shown a propensity to not have any restrictions.  Judges take into consideration how much of a hold companies keep on their stuff - and no company wants to show they have a cavalier attitude to stuff they own.

I am intrigued by kenmtl's dEAthstar though, and would to subscribe to his magazine.  :D


If she had *anything* in a special relationship, Pescado would have a cease and desist letter from EA on behalf of SimFreaks. Full of shit indeed.

Simfreaks is as 'special' as THIS is serious (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6aX0VQ_Qnc)

 :D    ;D     :D

She had to settle for some bogus sounding thing called Worldsims for representation:  http://paysites.mustbedestroyed.org/legal/simfreaks.txt

Oh noes, they are sharing our  flaming orange terlets  (http://www.simfreaks2.com/objects/sfobjects.php?GoDirect=1397&SubSort=10&ShowHide=0) for free!  Sic something on them! 

 :D   ahahahahahaha!!!!!!

that Worldsims fuckwad is ManagerJosh

back when he started that Worldsims site he stole content from other sites just to populate his own site; when he had some stuff made by elphntschld on his site and claimed to be made someone else that shithole refused to do anything about it!  then he siad he would get a '3rd party investigation' to look into the "claims"......what a tool   ::) 

and his site had spyware and he said it didnt until it was proved he did...

ManagerJosh tries to make his 2-bit piece of crap site into some grand site, which it isnt and never will be

examples of the slimy ManagerJosh in action....

the fun begins:
http://forums.thesimsresource.com/showthread.php?t=126342

http://forums.thesimsresource.com/showthread.php?t=128144

but wait, there's more slimy goodness:

http://forums.thesimsresource.com/showthread.php?t=198280

http://forums.thesimsresource.com/showthread.php?t=123012

http://forums.thesimsresource.com/showthread.php?t=164031

  >:(

ManagerJosh is some kinda idiot.

Actually, one of the good byproducts of this paysite owner pipe dream would be a requirement to be up to snuff.  If Peggy has gap, Peggy loses license.  If polycounts are too high, license is lost.  No more amateur bullshit with bad qualities if they make you pay for a license (which EA if they were stupid enough to actually do it wouldn't be stupid enough to make it irrevocable) it has the EA stamp of approval now, and you better make sure it's good or the BBs wouldn't be able to hold the complaints.

No more would it be telling people to "remove all cc and reinstall" EA would need to make sure that their licensees are providing a warranty for their goods.

ManagerJosh retired a while back, didn't he?

And thats a very good point Calalily. Although, it would more be EAxis standards of CC - sure, no gaps and high polys, but there is always borkage in other areas heh.

Wasn't ManagerJosh a mod/active member @ the FFFSS thingo. (Federation for free sims sites) ~ Thats kinda like an oxymoron.

Scratch that last, he obviously has not retired heh. Just went onto WorldSims forum and he's currently online, but there is an announcement  here  (http://forums.worldsims.org/showthread.php?p=148213#post148213) that says he is stepping back from sims stuff to concentrate on Spore. And from what I remember, he was an active member atFFFS heh - very argumentative and disagreed with most things..

Anyway, with this creator liscence thing, I'll believe it when I see it and then I probably won't ever play TS3. Have got very little interest currently, and it seems that EAxis are slowly taking out any extra fun left in it. I like creating. Bleh.

Ha yes - it certainly would.  :D But they'd have to make sure it didn't override their own GUIDs (so there's that nightmare to organise, plus bonus SecuRom verification for shits and giggles) and seeing as many pay creators create bork of the highest level, that doesn't even work in your game, they're screwed.

Also - censorship - no more non-barbie skintones, or adult products.

Someone at MATY ---was it Mirelly?--- was bitching about him kind of recently. How poorly he treated his mods and how he was trying to get the site to be more and more religious.

SimFreaks was one of the sites that started this "pay for game content" shit.  Fuck them right in the ear!  They want EA to make what they do legal to make what we do illegal?  Fuck them in the other ear too!

I used to get so much good Sims 2 stuff from there, then I remember I went to get something there one day and I was like "pay... for it?"  I was very sad and confused.

Does anyone else find it ironic that one of posters complains about how buggy and slow bodyshop is then goes on to say that he would gladly pay maxis for creation tools so he wouldn't have to use 3rd party programs?

Yeah that was Mirelly - thread in Retardo called StupidJosh or somesuch.  ;D

Yeah, instead of just getting EA to make the EULA for Sims 3 so that it allows sale, let's just close this whole fanship down for ALL creators, make ALL creators have to pay a rib out of their body for a liscence, free or not, so hardly any creator is willing to create for free anymore. 
Ah you are such good and honest people, there's absolutely nothing selfish or disgusting about you. We were wrong thinking you were selfish bastards. Please forgive us. You just have the good of the fancommunity in mind with all you do. *rolfmao*

ManagerJosh is a nasty little shit, just read his phony "scripture quotes" and "holier-than-thou OMFG LOOK AT ME I KNOW HOW TO READ" batshit. Looks like somebody's going to Hell  ::)

You know, I think that no matter what EAxis does to try to safegaurd their own personal income at the free maker's expense (I.E. Suckurom, that download manager, anything else they might come up with) there will always be clever people who'll disect the programs and let everyone create freely.

The sims2 community is like a freakin' force of nature.

Yeah, but Darwin's sims community law can be slowed down to crawl, like it happened to sims 2, compared to sims 1. At the same gamelifetime in sims 1 way more things were 'unlocked' as for the sims , we're still scratching our heads for odd reverting recolors for example. And custom animations are still only awkward prototype. No skiing, nor ballet schools, crazy sects, nor karate clubs either for sims 2. Yet they were already done 5 years after the sims 1 basegame. We're very far from that result for sims 2 and i'm starting to doubt it'll ever be made. Pescado was totally right about the copyright problems aborting the creativity advance (it was in Helga's password thread i think). I don't know what could solve that for Sims 3, but it's gonna be hell as the CC selling market is way more developed that in sims 1 times. The propotion of pay Vs free site is less but at the same time the total number of sites exploded. We have to stay vigilant on what happens as it's already quickly taking place. EA opened his virtual shop, TSR is already preparing to sell Sims 3 shit; they're all loading their guns and i'm scared to loose that huge pace we managed to do with the booty and months and months of talk, explanations, debates, convincing, fights and rants etc etc. It may all explode very quickly to a sims 1 like community with "Ooooh pay CC! Neat! I luv it!" bodysnatchers sheeplings again. And the nightmare will have a second round. *worries* We should be vigilant and darn quick.

Actually, I worry about the sims 3, because while they make it clear how much we can customize for decor, its very obvious that its in-game texture manipulation.  Will it be even harder to make new meshes?  I don't know, but I expect it will be - then again, it also means that some things will likely never exist in the Sims 3, because if modders don't make it first, the odds are, no one will.

As for Sim Freaks and Josh?

I honestly haven't gotten any of their stuff [sims freaks] except some free picture frames for sim paintings, and those were free.  And I remember Josh *shudders* What a knob.

I wonder about this as well - particularly since Inge said that the SimPE was helped along by a Maxis employee, and they seem less helpful now.  I don't think the current paysite EA selling Spore creator and CC is going to want to help creators with a free tool for the community. Their good chance would be if they don't change the engine too much and SimPE could be modified to work with Sims 3.

Of course the intention could be to push meshers out of the market, so that they can have their own hold over meshes, and thus make selling them a sole EA property - want a new shape of bed - you better buy MOAR EA.  I somehow don't think that paysites could justify textures that they sell (even though if they sold textures able to be imported into the game, they could indeed retain copyright no matter what) as a reasonable act. 

Nor do I think that anyone would buy them - so many of the existing paysite artists photoskin - the creator who makes every single stroke from scratch is a rarity, and if it's going to be overlaid over a mesh, it just doesn't have to have the complexity of current downloads.

There is a recent interview w/Rod Humble re: TS3 wherein he mentions an Exchange a la TS2, so there will be some kind of user creation thang available:

http://uk.pc.gamespy.com/pc/the-sims-3/891476p1.html

"I'd say that a lot of our customers are really interested in making things in the game and customization. We've made it a lot easier to upload to the exchange [the online Sims content repository]. We've also deepened the ability to customize objects. So if you want to change the pattern on this table to, let's say, the texture of my trousers, you can do that. Not only that, but you can map it to the wallpaper, and even your car."

Yes, but that's still basically recolours and texture swapping - not new meshes. Being able to do object recolours was given by SimPE, so yes, they are deepening it, but not actually giving us what SimPE has given us. And I think there is a hint of "only EA new meshes" here:

The net is alive, with the sound of bullshit...

Thanks Paden,  ;D  :-* After reading your post i've now got "The hills are alive with the sound of music"  in my head.

*chuckling* that's a Paden classic.. What it translates to in English is "people have stopped being taken in by our crap, so now we're trying to milk more money out of them by selling them individuals like those credits to society, paysites"..

That sounds good to me.  There's tons of stuff that came with expansions that I don't want.  And I'm not paying for it either way so it's all good.

Oh god, they're going to make it easier for Atwat to create.

I chuckled when I saw that. Win.  ;D

snot green shirts, trousers, tables and walls.... wow. I must buy sunglasses to shield my eyes from the radioactive green stuffs. i might even need an eyepatch.

More like 2...

Totally agree ROFL ;D

Welder's visor would protect your eyes much better if you want to look at that shit.

 :D
 
ZE GOGGLES, ZEY DO NOTHING!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uE9Dgp4zlPg&NR=1)

 :D