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I was Googling around one day, and I Googled "buffy sims," just to see what would come up.  One of my top results was this:

http://forums.thesimsresource.com/showthread.php?t=242313 (http://forums.thesimsresource.com/showthread.php?t=242313)

Apparently, this one person at T$R, a teenager, I assume, was looking for Buffy and Charmed Sim skins, and the stupid retards over at T$R gave her/him millions of links to paysites.  The poor kid complained and wanted to get like skins for free, and those bitches whined that it was "illegal" and that those skins were "copyrighted."  Soon enough, the KGB moderators were viciously mauling this young Simmer and they black listed her/him (ie: put her/him on probation).  Typical T$R totalitarianism?  Yes, except look at the date of this thread.  It predates TS2 and of course, PMBD. :o  Apparently, the Great Paysite Debate has been going on at T$R for longer than one may think.  I mean, look at his kid fighting the T$R Communists.  She/he almost seems to be a proto-Pirate.  Wonder if she/he eventually found the Site That Must Not Be Named? ;) 

I thought this T$R thread was interesting.  What do you think, Pirates?

Wait. It's illegal for them to download a free skin of a copyrighted character, even though the money a paysite would take wouldn't go the copyright holders? Good God, that's dumb.

Filesharing sites have been around before PMBD - PMBD is the first site to do it in such a brazen manner.  SimsFileVault was around for ages, and Pescado got some of his start up booty there. 

And it should all be noted that some of the people on this site have been around for ages, just PMBD is the first place to express what they're thinking behind the privacy of their computer screens, and where they wouldn't get banned.  People coincidentally find PMBD because they are willing to look, and then join the forum because they agree with their goals - so it's not such a surprise.  :)

There were heated debates about paysites going on at TSR during Sims 1 times.  TSR was completely different then, before Steve got dollar signs in his eyes and Thomas became involved.  Debates were rarely censored.  As I recall, the mods only intervened in the case of outrageous racial or sexual insults, and then only if the offended person complained.  They didn't troll the boards the way they do now hunting with a microscope for any comment that didn't serve TSR's interests. ::)

So yeah, the paysite debate has been going on forever, and filesharing sites were fairly public knowledge, although Cala is right in saying that they weren't as visible as they are now.

 ???Kragey, what I meant was that the kid pretty much wanted the paysite skins free.  In short, they wanted to do filesharing, which is a no-no in T$R's Paysite Fantasyland.  The T$R moderators were whining that those skins were the copyrighted property of their creators, and therefore, cannot be shared.  What those assholes didn't realize is that those skins are technically Maxis' property, and therefore, nobody should be copyrighting them in the first place.  Also, your comment brought up another paysite wrong.  When a paysite charges for "Buffy" and "Charmed" skins (Remember Buffy Sims?), not only is the paysite owner illegally making $$$ off a copyrighted game (TS1/TS2), but she/he is also illegally making $$$ off copyrighted characters (Buffy Summers, Phoebe Halliwell, etc.) :o.  That's a HUGE no-no in the real world but not T$R's empire.


That's what surprises me here.  The mods ARE viciously attacking and censoring this kid.  Did you click the link and read the thread?  It's rather disturbing in the way they are just beating on some poor kid that only wanted skins of their favorite TV characters. :(

^ I was complaining about what the paysite mongers said in response, not the kid.

I guess I'm not clear on your point, Bella.  The thread is from 2004-5, before the new Thomas norm of "fuck em all" took over.  At that point, the general norm on TSR was to defend everyone's so-called copyright, not just TSR's.  Filesharing  WAS going on, but it was kept quiet.  Nevertheless, people at TSR were discussing the copyright issue and the legitimacy of paysites pretty early on. I remember the extremely tortured logic through which we defended paysites (I hadn't yet seen the light :-\).

But, in partial defense of our stupidity, paysites were different in the early days.  They rarely charged more than a little bit for membership.  The abusive fees began when someone who ran SimInternational Imports  or something like that began charging by the set.  I believe her fee was $5 per set, which caused incredible outrage.  Then Banana Republic Revolution came into being and also charged $5 per set.  That seemed to change the rules of the game, and now those kinds of "donations" are more widespread and seen as "acceptable."

(I've got to add that I'm not referring to Kiri or Cindy, both of whom were involved with SimInternational Imports in the early days.  They split off from the site either when, or before, the woman who ran it (come to think of it, I believe her name was Ran, lol), started charging money.)

I have to agree with DoW. Sadly, I don't find the OP even slightly surprising, because the anti-paysite camp wasn't particularly visible or vocal at the time of these posts.

Still an interesting and rather sad read, though. I hope that kid stuck around in the community long enough to find PMBD, but if the way people treated her/him is any indication, she might have just run back home with her tail between her legs.  :-\

People have thought paysites sucked since they were created?  Super surprising!

*shuffles feet* Nice to see you back Plum. Your avi is gone, and your sig is missing a [, torque is back - and idtaminger.  Hey.  ;D

Thanks, Calalalalalala >:( :(

I didn't see you yet - be fair! Plus - I am meshing and watching Dr. Who.  Your avi is missing, and I'm glad you're back. Your sig is fine.  ;D

But:

(http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/7954/bassjh8.jpg)

Is frisbud the Scourge of Buffydom still an entity at TSR?  Gotta admit though, I loved this line from her -


- bet she's changed her tune since then.

Edited to edit the thing that needed editing.

 Bitch, please. For the creators of Buffy the Vampire Slayer, it IS a job, for which I'm sure they'd want their cut of the money.

You betcha'! ;)  Frisbitch still finds all sorts of ways to boss people around and crush all dissent in the TS1 forums.  She currently has a monopoly in the TS1 skins section.  And, I find that quote from her particularly funny, since she kisses the ass of just about every paysite owner you can imagine.  Typical KGB hypocrite.  She was very instrumental in the torturing of that poor kid I mentioned earlier.  But, hey, I say she had it coming.  It's not the kid's fault frisbitch gave her/him a bunch of paysite links, not even realizing that the young Simmer just might be under 18, and therefore, unable to subscribe to any paysites.  The kid even asked her to stop giving her/him paysite links, and that asshole ignored her/him and just continued to beat the kid down.  Geez! Nice way to moderate a forum, ain't it? :P

Wait, whu?? You're talking Sims ONE? Ok fine youbetcha, yeah. No matter what game it's for, T$R is gonna treat people like shit, meal tickets, idiots, fools and catspaws. They're gonna talk down to them, browbeat them, insult them and be totalitarian mud-fucks. That is why we want them flushed down the shitter. Because we're normal humans that don't allow ourselves or anyone else to be treated like they have maybe an eight of a brain, although if you hang out there at T$R long enough, that is surely what in the hell is gonna happen to you.

Yes, okay I will let it slide, but you owe me in the future...maybe sexual favours, I haven't decided yet.  What the hell happened to my av? And, my signature WAS messed up, it cut off the first letter (just like it did to Plum's [ it seems).  So I was telling people to "isit" my site. I don't know what that means or how they can do that, so I changed it to "visit". I'm sure they'll appreciate that.. :P

Edit: Uploaded a new avamatar.

What i think as a pirate? I thin there are far too many TSR threads here.

Edit, cause of necromania threads over at TSR.

from 2004.

Moderate me will you! I shall never perform the Venetian Butterfly sexual technique for you! Hurmph! I also linked to your site too.  ;D

Cala, you promised to only do that dance for me! :::wails::::


But back to topic: I know that there were people bitching when the first paysites appeared for TS1, but there was not enough organization to make much of a stink. Fortunately in 2006, Pescado saw a way to give some people butthurt, and from a desire for endless amusement, a movement was born.

What's interesting about the thread you posted however, is that even in 2004, they were already on the defensive - it's as though they all knew this was wrong right from the start.

Amusing. And fascinating.

Her name was Ran Shengali, I believe, and Simternational Imports actually started the whole "exclusive content" -trend so fondly embraced by both Liquid Stars and Simbella.

Ran had some exclusive content (I don't know if it was free or pay), people shared it, she threw a hissy fit and started an exclusive site with only 500 closest friends as members and disappeared from the face of the earth. I was very pissed off, since I loved the ethnic flavour of her things but could not get in as I was not one of her lackeys.  >:(

Wasn't it all about a bed?
Some silly, fugly, bed?

As far as the online community goes, I'm still a fairly new addition to it.  I played sim city, and sims 1, and sims 2, but did not participate in the online community at all.  I didn't know anything about it.  Heh.  When I did finally find it, I didn't understand it.  I think the very first thing I wandered on to was a paysite.  I didn't look around any more after that.  I was rather pleased years later to discover a place that was giving butthurt to paysites at large.  I only wish I'd known about it sooner. 

Which paysite was it?  How much $$$ did you blow off? ???

I just did some more spying on TSR.  Here's some more pre-TS2 paysite discussions:

http://forums.thesimsresource.com/showthread.php?t=222171&highlight=bandwidth+cost (http://forums.thesimsresource.com/showthread.php?t=222171&highlight=bandwidth+cost)- From Nov. 2003.  This one's rather toned down and mature.  However, the paysite defenders are still bringing out the old "I should be paid for my hard work!" argument. :D

http://forums.thesimsresource.com/showthread.php?t=222989&highlight=paysite (http://forums.thesimsresource.com/showthread.php?t=222989&highlight=paysite)- From Nov. 2003.  Very similar to the one listed above.

http://forums.thesimsresource.com/showthread.php?t=229573&highlight=paysite (http://forums.thesimsresource.com/showthread.php?t=229573&highlight=paysite)- From Feb. 2004.  This one's about general frustration with paysites.  No real debating, however.  But, at least no KGB moderators popped up to quash all dissent!

http://forums.thesimsresource.com/showthread.php?t=227366&highlight=paysite (http://forums.thesimsresource.com/showthread.php?t=227366&highlight=paysite)- From January 2004.  T$R members ponder whether or not the paysite industry would be harmed by TS2's release.  We all know the answer, now, do we? ;)

http://forums.thesimsresource.com/showthread.php?t=236317&highlight=paysite (http://forums.thesimsresource.com/showthread.php?t=236317&highlight=paysite)- From May 2004.  Same as above.  Gawd, they were SO naive!

http://forums.thesimsresource.com/showthread.php?t=242338&highlight=paysite (http://forums.thesimsresource.com/showthread.php?t=242338&highlight=paysite)- From July 2004.  A thread about "stealing" (What they call filesharing.).

That's all for now.  I find this rather fascinating, since VERY many people online think paysites weren't a TS1 issue and are a TS2-only issue.  What n00bs!

 

I don't know.  Some sort of mall thing.  I don't know what it was.  And none.  I said WFT?! and then didn't bother looking anymore, cause ChemistryCourtney doesn't pay for pixels. 

Honestly, I cannot remember. Even at that time I thought she was blowing it out of proportions, but then it more or less became a norm.  ::)


That would be the Mall of the Sims. The site and its contents sucked anyways. No wonder you were not impressed.

Edit: typo

I looked over some of those threads, Bella, and all I can say is...wow. I wish I had been a member of the online community at the time, because I would have loved to rip those idiots a new one. Or new ones. Whatever.


Good girl. ;)

Well, sure.  It is just one of those things that has always hit me wrong.  I didn't get it then, and I don't get it now.  I don't eliminate the use of an item because it is pay, but I don't feel it is better than items that are not.  I just think they are all items, and well, some suck, some don't.  Charging for them is inherently wrong, and by default makes your creations a little less interesting to me.  Although I am not above using them; especially now that the booty exists in my world.  Ah the booty, the great equalizer. 

(on a slightly unrelated sidenote, most everything I've ever downloaded from the booty has been deleted over time from my game.  There are things that I would have been super pissed if I'd paid for them.) 

The Kerry bed...oooeeeeoooooo *think Harvey Birdman's lovely ESP laden judge*
Infamous.

I believe that's the one Seabree gave SIH. *snort*
Why I can remember all this shyte is beyond me....but I can't remember trash day... :D

Ah.. the Mall of the Sims.  That place was the biggest ripoff of the TS1 era.  I was never been dumb enough to subscribe, but I've heard that the owners did some pretty nasty things with your money.  Plus, I have seen their freebies, and most of them look like they were created (poorly) with free Maxis programs like Art Studio, Homecrafter, FaceLift Gold, etc.  Everything had a cheap, crappy look to it.  I suspect the pay stuff was of same quality, but this was one of those nasty paysites that doesn't let non-subscribers preview the pay stuff (Note: These are among the worst paysites, as that means they are hiding something.).

Guess What? Mall of the Sims is still online:  http://www.mallofthesims.com/ (http://www.mallofthesims.com/).  What's rather amusing is that this place is still TS1 only.  They never created a TS2 section (Probably because they haven't updated since 2004! :D).  I can't possibly fathom that anyone still subscribes to them.  Yet, they're still up and running and 100% pay.  Hmmm... Wonder if the same will happen to PeggySims2 (the biggest ripoff of the TS2 era) once TS3 comes out?  Hey, it's a thought! ;D


I'm with you 100% glasscigarette! ;)


Love the booty.  Wish there was a place for the TS1 crowd, though (other than Sims Cave). :(

What level of nasty are we talking about here? Like, name-calling a small child nasty, or buying mail order brides and whoring them out nasty?

I'd like to second Kragey's question. Did they do something "nasty" with the money, or was it like Rose giving out people's information? Either way, I find it repugnant.

I'd never heard of the site until I read this thread, so I checked it out just to see what it was like. Of all the sites it links to on the front page, only one is still running, and it hasn't been updated in over 5 years. And if you enter through the visitor's entrance, you get a huge page of text talking about Norton anti-virus; to actually navigate the site you have to use the weird map thing in the corner.

Shitty site is shitty.

SAY WHAT?!

Yeah, she handed out her customer's PayPal info. It happened quite some time ago, but I'm sure it was discussed here...

Yep, here's the thread.

http://phorum.mustnotbenamed.com/index.php/topic,58.0.html (http://phorum.mustnotbenamed.com/index.php/topic,58.0.html)

Talking of things that come up in search I was trying to find help as to why Freetime suddenly stopped working and this came up with AVG link scan. I just thought it was funny.  :D

(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b57/wyrdwing/SimGlitches/exploittsr.jpg)

I blurred the address under it because it was a link to a pirate torrent site. (Another unrelated link that came up)  >:(

On topic I don't know anyone that payed for sims 1 content back in the days since all the pay content I saw were celebrity skins and catwalk dresses. :D

 :-[  Yup some of us were stupid enough to pay for sims 1 content back in the day. I subbed for a month or two at Wood for Sims. There was also one other site that had the only vehicle replacements that I found for the game. I can't recall the name, it had fat sims too. I considered subbing to sim freaks too, but never got round to it. Their sims 1 stuff was really good, though they haven't transitioned well at all.

I didn't learn my lesson for a while. I paid Peggy for her crappy, gappy hairs one month  ::)  I also gave money to Around the Sims. I don't feel too bad about that though.

Now though, I've left my foolish ways behind. No paysite will ever get any of my monies again.

Calm down, guys. ;) I don't remember the source where I read it, but I believe MOTS was doing the same thing Rose has been doing.  They're probably still doing it to whatever # of subscribers they still have left, but really, only the most retarded n00b sheep would subscribe there nowadays.

Well I was over at Mermaid Cove, still on my hunt for the ultimate Goopy Drag Dress when I stumbled over this: "With a minimal working knowledge of SimPE, you can easily edit existing Female skins to make them available to Males. I do not recommend editing existing skins! But it's OK to "clone" them with BodyShop, and edit the "clones," for your personal use only. Distributing others' skins without permission, even if edited, violates international copyright laws"

ahem.

After I read this, and got suitably annoyed, I got distracted by a blinking gif on the lower left corner "TSR Fansite Index" button.
We all know TSR agenda, but do you think, that to get on their index you have to follow their totalitarian attitude towards CC? Of course you do! And by last count the index had 157 sites THAT MUST BE DESTROYED!!
Well, if they have booty on offer of course. But it still irks me to think that people are so freaking stupid to tell me that once they release CC they expect to have full control over it. How many people modify content for their own purpose? possible hundreds of thousands of people, do the creators grow boils on their heads because of this? Only if they knew, I guess. Maybe.
All I say in return is that, once I've paid for it - it's mine. If I want to give it to the booty. I should be able to. Intellectual property cannot apply to a SEQUINED SKIRT, I am not making money of it, I am simply sharing the love. There is love in this when it was created right? Oh, you just made it to make money? Let me see it in-game.. oh ew...it shows...

disclaimer: I am very very very ill. Sorry If I made little or no sense.

So, it's OK to alter or convert maxis made outfits and post those all over the web (which I've seen done plenty of times without anyone raising an eyebrow), but when it's a hobbyist's creation, then suddenly it's wrong? I wouldn't think so. If EA ain't bitching about someone, say, converting their adult outfits into teen outfits, then fan creators have no reason to bitch if someone converts theirs and shares it. If you can't deal with it find another hobby or keep it to yourself.

And Dee, I hope you feel better soon.

Did some more spying @ T$R (Man, I'm so bored! :D):

http://forums.thesimsresource.com/showthread.php?t=251311 (http://forums.thesimsresource.com/showthread.php?t=251311)
http://forums.thesimsresource.com/showthread.php?t=244358 (http://forums.thesimsresource.com/showthread.php?t=244358)

Both above threads are from 2004, and once again, poor little Buffy_slayer02 is being mauled by frisbitch & co.  Apparently, they suspect she is *shock* filesharing!

http://forums.thesimsresource.com/showthread.php?t=242262&highlight=paysites (http://forums.thesimsresource.com/showthread.php?t=242262&highlight=paysites)

This one's also from 2004, and apparently, this Simmer, MoNNie 2 Dope (notice she/he has also been blacklisted like Buffy_slayer02), wants a popcorn machine from T$R for their home theater.  She/he naively wandered into T$R's forums thinking someone would give it to her for free.  What I can say is that frisbitch wasn't very nice to her...

What I find amusing is that to these assholes, Maxis stuff isn't copyrighted, but if it's user-created, it suddenly has a copyright.  Good logic, ain't it? :-\   

Thanks Snarky. I've had a crappy couple of weeks. Tooth Pain, period Pain, now tonsillitis. I don't want to derail this thread, so I shall thank you quickly but gracefully! shanksyoushanksyoushanksyou I will try to get better! :)

I have a question... will copyright exist in the Sims if for example, a person painted an original artwork and put it on their own painting mesh?
I guess they could hold copyright of the image but not of the actual object.. right? I think I just would like clarification on that

The saddest part about this thread is that I almost missed a chance to say, "MENTOK: THE MIIIIND TAKER!"

Oh, pedophiles might be trolling TSR. Wait, that's another thread. Um...Dee is sick. That is sad. ;)

Feel better!

Edited to fix a typo-diddly-o.

Still not.  Would copyright exist if a person created their own hair texture and put on their own hair mesh?  No.  Yes, the "skin" contains their artwork, but it still technically belongs to Maxis because the codes and everything were Maxis-created (Or so I believe.  I play TS1, so I only have to worry about head and body skins/meshes. :D).  And the mesh, unless they totally recoded the mesh themselves, it's definitely still Maxis' object.  Blah... Blah... The point is that copyright will never exist in the Sims.  The only people that can copyright anything would be the game creators, Maxis.  Now, it's okay to give credit to creators of custom content for their work, but copyrighting is a completely different matter.  The confusion between "crediting" and "copyrighting" is what allows several paysites to continue fucking their subscribing sheep over!

Thanks for the history, Bella, maybe you ought to see if you can track that poor kid and see how it turned out. Like check to see if they're now a brain dead drone or someone that fights the bullshit. Thing is, while important, this stuff happened four years back in time. We can't change what went on then. But, we are trying to change what is going on now. If you find sites where they are still selling Sims one content, maybe you should get like-minded people together and do a Booty thing on them, setting up a site and subs and shit so that people don't have to pay to get the good, where you can fileshare to your heart's delight. Me, I choose to focus on the here and now, and what's up ahead. I'm not going down without a fight and while it's handy to have the history that you've brought to us and while we can learn from what happened, we have to move forward and change it now or people are going to wonder what in the world happened to those pirates that enraged the bloodsuckers. We're gonna  knock their asses into the dirt. And we're gonna like it.

Because this is drama and drama is interesting. Trash day is not interesting, hence you cannot remember it. ;)

Hope you feel better soon, Dee.

Wrong, my friend. Maxis - or EA actually - has no copyright to the mesh I create, nor to the textures I make and use in my creations. Those are mine and only mine. EA holds the copyright to the package format, but not to what I choose to put in it.

As for redistributing other people's stuff - modified or not: I know we've had the discussion about TOS'es before, and I still think it is rather silly to put extensive conditions on your creations. But if a creator asks you not to redistribute/modify/take credit for their stuff it should be respected. I mean, if I spend hours making a new bed and then offer it up to everybody I don't think it is too much to ask for just that little bit of respect or even gratitude that accepting my terms would be. It won't hurt you and it certainly won't cost you anything to show me that courtesy. I am perfectly aware that we have no way of reinforcing anything, and are left with relying on the goodwill and respect of the downloaders, but that doesn't make it right to just do whatever you want with something that was given to you with good intentions.


Which means that you don't really know, doesn't it. I can't speak for others, but I for one prefer that you check your facts before making such allegations here, instead of just spreading self-made rumours and speculations.

*sniff* Ey. Actually just wanted to refrain from posting till a creator came by.
Oh quickly, thanks glass and alia, I really am trying to get better. But I have one big blanket thief sharing a bed with me, and so I think I'm actually getting worse. We shall see. *snif* Or it's mutating into a head cold. I don't fucking care any more. Bring on the rum, that I don't die is all I'm betting on.
Anyways, you see I am painter myself, I doodle many situations, from an observational point of view. I paint a stylised version of life. However it's my perception of life, hence I guess I can call it intellectual property. Since it's, well, life interpreted. Art is very different to CC, and hopefully we won't argue about that. Right. Got it.
I guess in many stances, in regards to CC... the "intellectual property" line is a little blurred. And it's what I'm trying to get at only for clarification purposes only. For the slow witted ones. I.e: Me.
If someone copies an Ikea lamp into a CC mesh *shudders slightly* and paints, oh I don't know, a small thin pink stripy pattern/texture on it. Could have made the texture out of scratch or using a photoshop filter, I don't know.
And then the creator processes it through the magical SimPE/BodyShop etc doobeewacker, and presto out comes a custom content item -- with a Terms of Use "Read Me" txt file attached to it. That Terms of Use is the compilers  agreement with the downloader on what to do with it. Right?
And if someone uploads the custom item butchered, the Terms of Use is what will be used as evidence. And the person must take it down.

*rubs eyes* Very complicated stuff, but as long as TOU's are abided by, we ruffle the least amount of FREE feathers, and that is what we are aiming for right?
Being quite the attention loving extrovert myself, I love credit. But if I chose something as generic as an Ikea lamp, I wouldn't be surprised it another one rose up in a few months coloured bright purple with cacti horns growing all over it. After all, if that person made their own mesh and coloured their own texture on it, the only thing we would have in common would be the same resource material.

So if Creator A made a Buffy Sim...and offered her for free, and Creator B made a Buffy sim and offered her for $2USD, there can be no outcry for copyright, but there could be an outcry if Creator B's pay Buffy took any part of Custom A's Buffy thus violating Creator's A TOU.

Phew. Got it. *drowns rum* You'd think I'd know this by now, but the way this thread was going, I was really confusing myself.

Moune, by that logic, then Peggy and Rose have every right to copyright and charge for their creations.  By that logic, PMBD should permanently empty out the booty.  I'm beginning to suspect your pirate credentials.  Sure you're not a spy from PeggyZone?  ;)


Actually, I do know.  I just can't find the page where I read it.  It may have been deleted since then.  That type of shit happens all the time.  If you have your doubts, then go fuck off to Mall of the Sims and get a subscription; we'll see what happens, then. ;D

Not cool.

First of all, your logic is highly flawed. She's completely right. Even the EULA does not claim ownership of the meshes and textures that creatures design, only the format that they are saved in (which makes them suitable for use in the game in the first place). All Moune is saying is that it's nice to give free creator's the respect they deserve; now, if a creator is breaking the rules on their own (i.e. selling .package files), then it is the right of the community to make said files available for free, because they should have been free in the first place. If a creator is freely distributing their content but asks that people not post that content on the Exchange, or something, it's only polite (and mature) to respect that wish.

She also acknowledged that there's really nothing anyone can do to enforce these requests, and that's completely accurate as well. But, basically, if you start stealing someone's work just because you want to, then you are a dick.

Pirates aren't about getting to do whatever they want with everyone's creations, we're about making all Sims content free, as it should be. It's not a free-for-all. You might want to get a better grasp on what we do before you start slinging insults.

Edit: oh, and allow me to agree with everything Cala has said below.  >:(

Are you serious? Moune has a known freesite, more posts, and has been around for far longer. If everyone who disagrees with you is going to be designated "paysite spy" - looks like you're the only true pirate around here according to your rules. Might as well leave now if the key criteria for being "pirate" is agreeing with you.

If Moune is a spy, then I wanna be one too!!

All the cool kids are doing it. Join us!   8) you know you wanna

I wanna be a spy!  Will I get a cool trench-coat?

Peggy could paint a picture and sell prints of that picture all she wants.  If Peggy takes that same picture she painted, recolours a painting in the game, and sells that package, she is in the wrong and shouldn't be selling it.  Although the painting is still her own artwork and intellectual property, once it is in that package format, she doesn't reserve the right to sell it.  (Am I right?)  The booty is just making files free--no one is claiming that anyone other than the original creators made the items.  All of Peggy's gap-tacular hairs are credited to her, it's just free now.

YO! BITCH! Why don't you just go fuck off?! I have my doubts about you and your intentions and I'm getting real sick about hearing ancient history! We've learned our lesson about pay sites and we're doing something to take them down. What the fuck are you doing, aside from bugging the shit out of the members here? If you weren't smart enough to take screen caps to back yourself up, then you're a knob that needs turned until you fall out of the slot and go away! This is not Sims 1, it is Sims 2. Seems you like to hang around and try to live out the glory days if being able to swap the heads of pixel dolls!

Moune is a truthful talented lady that is no more likely to spy on us for pay sites than Stalin would start to sell flowers in the goddam bus terminals! Why don't you go fuck off to what ever rock you crawled out from under or better yet to the stinking fetid pool of putrid slime that spawned you, you pathetic rabble-rouser wanna be!? So, you don't like T$R, join the fucking club! Take your complaints about the way they treated someone four years ago to the staff there, because unlike them, we know better!

Take it to the bastards that did it, stand up to them! Don't expect us to get all excited over what happened in history, we're using that to prevent it from happening in the future! We cant' change the past! If you can't back up your claims, shut the fuck up and get the fuck out! If you cannot provide the proof of what happened on a site, why bring it up, dumbass?

Also, you don't impress me with your name. An obvious take-off on a canceled television series which leads me to conclude that you are about as original as a mass produced Goldfish snack cracker! Buffy actually knew what in the hell she was doing but from watching you in action I can say that I don't think you do. If you wanna kill pay sites selling Sims 1 content, then do what we are doing! Get off your ass, get the site, get the shit, and give it away! Now would you please shut up and go away before I really decide to burst a blood vessel on your sorry ass?

Can we nail that damn cat flap shut now?!?!?!

Yay, Paden made cookies! And look: they're flavored with rum chips, powdered vulgarity and zest of rage. It's pirate-tastically delicious!  :-*

Whoa ...

I'm going to make an attempt to be kind now. This time. Don't expect this every time  ... not even next time. I'm in quite a bit of pain right now, and my pleasantness quota is about to be exhausted.

Buffy, not everyone here agrees on every single thing regarding pirating. Some, for instance, believe that some sites offering pay items are not as "toxic" as others. Some have differing views on how far a creator's rights should extend. Some disagree about whether downloading pay items, even from the booty,  is a good thing at all. There are some good forums for parrots. This is not one of them.

I do hope I misread your intent, and that you did not just tell Moune to fuck off. She indeed runs a fine free site. It's one thing to politely disagree with her .... quite another to be disagreeable with her. She certainly should be welcome on this site, as should you. Attacking each other because we don't fully agree is the very thing that would make a TSR groupie chuckle and relate that tasty tidbit to Thoma$$. It might not be advisable to do that.

I would think it lonely for TS1 people in Simland. It might just be the same for TS2 people in a couple of years.

Now I've heard that rum be good for what ails you. I'm ailing. Let's all be ailing together.

Oh the drama! Yell at me all you want; I won't run home crying. >:(


YO! ASSPIRATE! I'm here to kill paysites.  I agree with this website's mission; so fucking what if I play Sims 1?  That only means that I can't get anything out of the booty.  There's no literal rule set in stone here saying that all members have to play TS2, or else.  On the topic of TS1 custom content, how about you try searching for good TS1 stuff one day?  I bet you'd become frustrated as hell, since the TS1 community is mostly paysites, dead sites, and amateur crap that hadn't been updated since 2003.  On top of that, there's no "booty" for TS1 on ANY site.  Either way, you're fucked if you want that special item, and it's on a paysite and/or dead site.  TS1 content is 500X harder to find than TS2 content, and things could get even worse when EA shits TS3 out.  Also, don't think for one second the same neglect won't happen to TS2.


Actually, my name is a take-off of the early '90s movie of the same name (never liked the TV show) and the ever-popular Sims character, Bella Goth.  I like both, so why penalize me for it? :-\  This is irrelevant to the discussion, anyways.


A quick reminder: it's Bella, not Buffy.  And, don't worry, I didn't tell her to fuck off, but her post rubbed me the wrong way.  I couldn't resist an angry reply.  My bad. :-[

For clarity:  I think that giving an artist credit is important for all files.  That's why you have "read mes."  What I have a problem with is when creators LITERALLY copyright their creations and refuse to let people share it, especially if they expect people to pay for the files.


*Sigh* It is very lonely.  There's absolutely no place for TS1 fans to meet, chat, and fileshare.  I'm very much ailing and could use some of that rum right now... :(

Well, I agree that artists should  be acknowledged for the stuff they make.  But that's a matter of civility, not of law.  Sims artists can't literally copyright their creations, unless you're speaking of just the .png file (or in the case of Sims 1, the .jpg or .bmp).  They can't copyright the file that's packaged to be shared, i.e. in a Sims2Pack or package file,or .iff file, because EA owns those rights.

Don't people talk about Sims 1 at Simscave?

Well, that's good. You wouldn't survive long here if you couldn't handle a little drama or disagreement.


First of all, I wouldn't recommend that. Our dear Paden's teeth are sharp, and we let her whet them on whatever or whoever she likes. ;)

Second, there's not need to be offended just because we're primarily a TS2 crowd, and our interests lie in that direction. There are TS1 players here, too, but most people just don't want to rehash issues that have essentially been relegated to the status of a historical footnote. Mind you, that doesn't mean that your links were not interesting, at least to some people, and it also doesn't mean that we hate you for playing TS1. It sucks that it's difficult for you to find content for your game, but, quite frankly, the booty is a TS2 matter. We're going to continue hosting TS2 content, and sites like SAS are going to fight for the removal of SecuROM from upcoming games like Spore and TS3. Most of us just don't care to deal with TS1.


Your previous posts seem to indicate that you were against people being able to lay any sort of claim to the files that they create, even the free ones. When a creator makes a texture or designs a mesh, they have a right to be credited for it, and to dictate whether or not other people are allowed to distribute content made from the same files; ideally, if everyone gave proper credit all the time, creators would not feel the need to establish rigid TOU's, and sharing would reach all new heights. While there may not be any way to enforce such rules, doing our best to maintain them allows for a more respectful and ultimately more open community. Like DoW said, the issue is one of civility, not law. Besides, the vast majority of creators don't mind it when people use their work, as long as they get credit. It seemed that you were negating all of the artistic rights of creators, although that may not have been the case. Perhaps our reactions were unnecessarily harsh, but that is one reason why.

The second and more pressing matter is your treatment of Moune. If you were being sarcastic, or teasing, or whatever, then you should have made it blatantly, painfully obvious, at least until more people here are familiar with your sense of humor. You were way out of line to say the things you did to her, and since we don't really know you here yet, it was natural for us to assume that you were being serious. And since you have not taken the opportunity to say otherwise, it does seem to be that way. If not, you might want to make that clear. We do our best to treat one another with respect here, and when we feel such boundaries have been crossed, we tend to react quite poorly.

Anyway, you'll soon realize that disagreement is one of the hallmarks of this forum, and drama is part of the fun. ;)

Oh, and I think DoW is right: I'm pretty sure there is TS1 stuff over at the Cave.

Very much appreciate the confidence I’m being shown here.  :)

Bella, Glasscigarette already explained what I meant, and Silver pointed out that one does not have to be a big fan of the booty to be against paysites and therefore part of this phorum. So all there is left for me to say is that if my post rubbed you the wrong way, you had  better get used to it right away if you want to hang around here. We’re actually serious about what we do here, and we aren’t going to destroy any paysites if we 1) don’t know exactly what we’re talking about and 2) don’t back up our claims with screenies and other indisputable evidence – just like Paden pointed out.

And now for the Spy Club. Does anyone else but Pickles and Ensign want to join? I’ve got a few spare trench coats (gap-free) and we can quickly whip up a bunch of martinis (shaken, not stirred), but you’ll have to bring your own dark glasses.

I iz already a spy....but, would love to join your group of known spys.

I can haz trenchcoat nao?  ;D

Count me in, Moune. ;)

I already have the dark glasses and the martinis, but I'm conspicuously short on trenchcoats.

Cool!  ;D

Now all we need are some exploding gadgets and a fast car. Anybody know where Q is hanging out these days?

LOL! You're ok, Bella, you give as good as you get, that's for damn sure. Now, as for the asspirate thing, I'm a chick! How can a chick be an asspirate, is all I wanna know. And I have a smegload of cc for Sims 1, being as I played it back in the day when I was pregnant with my son. I'm still sorting it out to make sure that I don't have duplicate files and such, but it's been rough going. All of the files are on my laptop and right now it's giving me some trouble, the screen doesn't wanna work. I have to hook it up to an outside monitor to know what in the hell I'm doing. Yeah, I supposed it is lonely to be a Sims 1 player, then again, I can be pretty solitary by nature.

I have some pay stuff that my sister gave me, and I have the so-called AOL exclusive files, too. Dunno if anyone will want them but they'll be in a separate file all of their own. There's also going to be some programs, as well, like the Sims File Cop and the original Sims File Maid, along with the companion proggie for that. Once I finally get the lot zipped/rar'ed up, I'll let you guys know. And yes, I'm going to put them all into the two formats because not everyone likes using zips/rars. It only makes sense to me that I make them available for the separate preferences. Believe it or not, I can be accommodating when I wish to be so.

The phrase "fuck off and" do whatever is like setting fire to a can of gasoline because there are so many insulting/incendiary endings to it. Maybe if you'd phrased it as, "Get yourself over to," it may have come off better. Also, while Moune may not agree with all we pirates do, she'd never be a spy. At least, not for the enemy.

Also, Moune, which Q do you want? The one from James Bond or the one from the Star Trek: Next Generation? As for explosives, hell, I can build those myself. Little bit of this, little bit of bleach, little bit of that, little bit of ammonia, little bit of that other thing, little bit of Drano, little bit of this other thing, little bit of gasoline... POOF! It's all in the chemicals you mix, ya know? And a vodka bottle mostly full of gasoline with a gas dampened rag shoved into the mouth of the bottle, lit and thrown makes a nice little... I think I've said just a bit too much... Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

Oops! :-[ Hey, I couldn't tell!  Honest!


You're putting the files up for download?  That would be totally awesome! 8) TS1 downloadables are always welcome.  What kind of stuff do you have?  And what is an "AOL exclusive file"?

And, I'd be honored to join the Spy Club!  Personally, I wouldn't mind doing spy business over at T$R.  I've had bad personal experiences with the assholes over there and now know better to stay out of the forums.  I'll even venture into the Sims 2 section for you guys.  Now, what I could really use would be an invisibility cloak, like Harry Potter's.  I already have a sharp scythe for defense, but invisibility would be great! :D

...come on.  THINK ABOUT IT.  :P

It's pretty obvious, Paden ;) lol

Ok, who was asking about the copyright stuff?  Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it goes like this: if you painted the art yourself, it IS yours. But once you put it in that .package file - then yes, the art is still yours, but the Sims item that it now is, is freely distributable (is that a real word? it is now) pay or free.  Though most people won't throw around your free .package file unless you say its ok, otherwise credit.  You could charge for the art separately as a .png/.jpeg/etc file if you were so inclined, but you cannot charge for the .package file, even if it does contain your original art.

That may have already been said, or it may not make sense, but whatever. I think I got it right, and if I'm not I don't really care :P

Oh, one more thing to add: I don't think you waive the rights to your art just because you put it in a .package file - if someone were to use your art outside of the Sims, then real-world copyrights apply.  I don't have legal sections to quote, so this is just what seems logical to me.

Bella, have you ever looked over at The SimsCave.  There is a whole section for the Sims 1 people and they seem to have quite a few items from the paysites.  I really don't go in there alot but, I took a quick peek just now and they have things from Sims Freaks, Banana Republic, Around the Sims and Sim Snobs just to mention a few.  You do have to register and post around a bit before having access to the sharing area but, it really doesn't take long at all and there is a really nice group of people there.  I'll include the link to my post, in case you are interested.
http://www.simscave.com/ferris/index.php

Actually, Titan, I am a member of Sims Cave, and I love their services.  Right now, I'm waiting for a Sim Freaks request to be filled. ;)  They're so generous over there, it's amazing.  For example, I now have the prized WD$ escalator thanks to them.  I'm currently saving up any pay files I get from them in the event that a TS1 version of PMBD ever shows up (Hey, it's a thought! :D).

Sorry I couldn't have helped you out more.  I'll drop you a note if I ever do find anything pertaining to the Sims1, just in case I find something that is new.

Awww...the love! It's back!

Feel it. Feel it now!

Ah, the benefits of not being currently known as Peachfish.  :D


I would like to add that all spies are required to present new mesh sets.  In lieu of mesh sets, they must at least post pictures of their cute babies.

I should also mention I think there's a difference in TOU. There are TOU that you make, and TOU that you try to get people to abide by.  In a fit of rage a couple of days ago, I added a little line of insanity to my TOU - that any person who has said, or thinks "antipaysite people/pirates should get a life" should not use my content. Mainly because I'm sick to death of people saying such things in such a condescending manner, and have had this thrown at me throughout the S2C debates to the point where I wish to throttle said tossers.

I just really want them to know I think they are arseholes - not that I actually intend to go through their previous history with a fine tooth comb, and check what they're doing.  To get people to abide by that would be impossible and insane, on my part particularly.  But at least, if it can give one fucktard pause for thought (cause you know you can say "I'm sick of arguing" without casting aspersions on every single persons' personal circumstances who doesn't feel the same way) or at least make one of them feel like shit for saying it, then I'm good.

Same really goes for the no paysites stuff.  Seeing as I never go to paysites, I wouldn't know my stuff is there unless someone told me. But at least the paysite person knows they're a peice of shit, and so does everyone else.

Here's my requirement.  My granddaughter, Josie.  ;D

(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i119/keirra1983/Family/josephineblanket2.jpg)

Aww! What a cute baby! *melts*

Godsdamn you people! You make me want to have babies! *grumble*

That is a cute baby. Look at those little pinchable cheeks.  :D

Actually Peggy or Rose don't have copyright if their meshes ARE from a poser store. Poser community have a strict TOU of do not redistribute the file. If you use it in a game the obj can't be extractable to other people... oh but you can with simpe so that still counts.  :D

Keirra, your g-daughter is completely adorable. And that photo of her is amazing as well. It looks like an ad for bottled cuteness.

Heh Keirra, you grandaughter is very cute. She looks like you've just woken her up, and she's trying to focus on your face. Very cute ;)

*steals baby grand-daughter and hides her beneath long trenchcoat*
Mwahahahahaha....All your babiez are belong to ME!

So cute, Keirra. SO CUTE!

Ok, Ry, when are you going to pick up my little angel?

Oh, it's you Cassandra. I used to have a sub at simfreaks 1 before, but now i am playing sims 2, so then i am not able to get sims 1 stuff even i think that should be
possible - simfreaks is very greedy.  >:( I helped you with the last request from SimsSnobs, you can have 1 sub there, and get stuff from both sims 1 and sims 2. Don't forget to use the thank you button please ;) (over at simscave).

I have never figured out why we have a thank you tab here, all i hear is a goat or a sheep? I am thanking myself then, even if i thank another person, how silly.

It may not be wise to publicly say what subs you have, you don't exactly want to be caught out and for your account details to be shared do you :) All you need is for someone to go check what SimSnobs item you are talking about, go check what accounts downloaded it recently, and then they've got your sub and could share those details with other paysite owners..

And I don't get the thing about thinking you need thank you things. Guess some people like that or whatever. Personally I just share at SimsCakve just to simply share

I don't have a subscription over at simsnobs anymore.  All i want to say about SimsCave, is their forum is complete different from PMBDs forum.  If i should complain that people did not thanked me for sharing stuff, then i would have done that before, since i have been an active sharer for a long time now.

If 1 single person is doing a request for 1 single item for sims 1, i would preciate that the person used the thank you tab, so i could see if she got the item or not.

Hmm... I don't make meshes.  So I shall provide cute bebes.   ;D  (Keirra, your grandbaby is ADORABLE!!)
My cute bebes, let me show you them.
Taylor:
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g287/chemistrycourtney/101_0043.jpg
James:
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g287/chemistrycourtney/101_0065_edited.jpg

Umm.... I did a direct link to them cause the pictures are massive.  So yeah. 

There's a thank you button?  Aww, I didn't know that. :P  I usually just post a "thank you" reply.  Oh, and I love that Sim Snobs set.  I can't thank you enough for it! :-*

Massively adorable! What gorgeous babies! And their happy little faces! Gorgeous little outfits too - they look all soft and snuggly.  ;D

Those were their Halloween costumes.  They enjoyed them so much, they requested to wear them all the time.  Now they are too tall for them, but they still put the little dinosaur/dragon heads on and run round like that.  Heh.

*on my way south to get Paden's angel with the great giggle*
Court, thems some cuties!

Bella, then at least know you got it!  ;D I am always worried when i upload files, so i have asked if people could tell me the files are ok.
And i understand jojobas point, it's not smart to post what subs one have. I know that, but lets say, this are old files you know. And i have 10 different paypals,
and gawd knows how many cards :p

Oh, how adorable they are! Nothing is cuter than a small child, except for a small dinosaur child!

Awww, Courtney, how cute they are.  The eyelashes on the one close up....to die for!

Very cute babies keirra and Courtney. I think babies are relative cute. Courtney are your bebes twins? They look so alike.

Thanks all.  ;D Nope, they are not twins.  They're 11 months apart.  Heh.  They are the same age for 3 weeks in January.  lol.  Biologically speaking, they are about as close together in age as you can get, without having twins.  They both have the ridiculously long eyelashes.  I think that's a boy thing.  I have no real basis for this, except it appears most all little boys have glorious eyelashes. 

Actually, that's what my dad calls "Irish twins."

I don't mesh either, so here's my two oldest as an offering.

http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg286/pickles_pirate/101_0040.jpg

Now...your lovely daughter could be giving your lovely son a hug pickles. But I am inclined to believe she has him in a headlock and is demanding to know where he hid her favourite toy And if he doesn't answer he will be in a world of pain. Haha. Ah the storyteller in me comes out!  8)

Pretty much, yes. He will only stand still for the camera if she is throttling him.

Cute kids, pickles.  That pic would make a cute macro.

Yes, it is an action pic. That's cute. A tip to remove the red in the boys eyes, use the sponge tool in Photoshop. ;)


Sorry, i couldn't help.

Aww, what a cute pic, Pickles!  :D

The boy is the one with allergies, yes?

They are so cute! I love action shots - particularly when it looks so good.

I vote for actual cuddle - the boy is looking away and not grimacing.  If she were wrestling him, he would be much more intent on her.  ;D

I don't have babies, but I have kittens! Unfortunately, I don't appear to have any decent pictures of Ebony (all my piccies are on Mum's PC/my camera) but I do have baby pictures of Maisie!

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y75/jersey_princess/Kittens/DSCF0027.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y75/jersey_princess/Kittens/DSCF0020.jpg

And one baby picture of Ebony looking short-haired. She's actually very, VERY long-haired. And she has a tail of doom. (And her tummy and neck is curly, and her ears and toes are tufty! I'm get my piccies off the cam...)

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y75/jersey_princess/Kittens/DSCF0017.jpg

Scaredy cat Ebony:

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y75/jersey_princess/Kittens/DSCF0019.jpg

Ah what the hell.
Baby shot:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/mmekare79/SN850012-Copy3-1.jpg
He's dirty, but sweet...lol.
Lovely kitteh's, blankie! ;D

Cute babies and kittehs are cute.

No babies. Kittehs. Oh, and they're artists.

Chelsea (she-cat; most recent work: "Inside Snow"  Kleenex on hardwood)
(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg63/MadameHecubus/chelsea1.jpg)

Shea (he-cat; most recent work: "Nature is Everywhere" petunias on wool carpeting)
(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg63/MadameHecubus/shea-in-his-box.jpg)

Such adorable fur-babies and real babies!  My head is gonna explode from all the cute! :)

Ah, Hec, I love seeing pics of Chelsea and Shea.
And now they're artists, too! Petunia's on Wool Carpet sounds interesting, too bad you didn't snap a pick, sweets...lol.

I should have.

There's a wonderful book, published probably 20 years ago, called Why Cats Paint: A Theory of Feline Asthetics...it's developed into an online museum, found here (http://www.monpa.com/). I once copied photos from the book and put them in frames to decorate my office; I loved watching the double-takes as visitors realized what the pictures were really of...

Busch and Silver are also the creators of the Japanese erotic art form of Kokigami (http://www.kokigami.com/). ;)

Awww...all the babies are so cute. Hec, your kitty looks almost exactly like my mom's cat Ming. If yours is in love with a hammer and likes to lick telephones, then they might be twins.

Here are my babies: Edison & Uno, my ferrets. They are stinky and annoying but I love them.  :D I normally can't get them to hold still long enough to get a picture, but they built a nest and fell asleep so I was able to ambush them. It turned out alright considering the fact that I was using my cellphone.

(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f358/pyropixxy/PuppyLove.jpg)

Ferrets!  :o
I love ferrets! I wish I had one. Or two. :)

Cute kittehs, guys, and Ry, your son is adorable.

My human kiddies are all grown up, but my non-human (don't tell her that!) baby is only 3.  This is my deaf kitty Tippy (you can't tell from the pic, but she got her name cuz she has a white tipped paw).  I've had her since the day she was born, and she follows me everywhere, which is a trait of deaf cats.

(http://usera.imagecave.com/thecookiejar/Stuff/Tippy028.jpg)

aww, cookiepirate, hec, others, your fur bebes are adorable. 

Ry, what a handsome little dude.  So cute he makes your head explode. :D

don't have any kitteh digitised photos at the moment - will this do?
z

Greystorm and Bismarck
(http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i244/dhaissa/boys.jpg)

I can has your doggies nao?

Hecubus - how did you initially discover your cats could paint?  I'm kind of tempted to see if mine can, but I don't know how I'd do it: "This is paint. This is paper. You take paw, put paw in paint, then paw goes on paper!"? lol  Is paint even safe for cats to have on their paws?  They'd likely have to be thoroughly cleaned before they could go about their catly duties.

ETA:  The word paws now means nothing.  Paws, paws, paws, paws, paws, paws, paws. See? No longer makes sense.

Only if you want to be drowned in dog spit.
z

Love the four legged babies everyone and Ry, Eli is too cute.  I just want to hug him.

Actually, my cats are not painters as much as they are mixed-media artists. Chelsea particularly likes to sculpt - her prefered medium is upholstery. Shea also does performance art; he is currently doing 2am showings of "If I cry loud enough you will come watch me do my bunny imitation." My previous cat, Duiffie, was the improvisational painter - he would take advantage of my own paints. I'm pretty sure paint is as bad for cats as it is for humans; however, most watercolors, acryllics, and latex paints aren't toxic in small doses. Duffie, for some odd reason, was not deterred from painting by the baths he'd receive (although that might have something to do with the walnut-sized brain).


Try the word 'word' sometime. ;)

ok, now I wanna watch black sheep.  road. road. roe-ad. roooad.

All your "fur babies" are gorgeous too. Acceptable. You may also be spies. :P

Ummmm, wow  D=
Hec, that kokigami link is so hilarious OMG. I've never heard of such a thing :o
I guess now I know the origin of finger puppets :D

My TOU: No permission required to use any of my meshes in movies/stories/screenshots or to recolour. Mesh may be included with recolours or in lots on FREE sites only. Please also give credit and a link back to Natural sims.  You may upload recolours only to paysites and you must give credit and link back to the mesh at Natural Sims.  You may not upload to the exchange under any circumstances.  Do not upload and claim as your own.  You may clone the mesh if you want but only if the clone will be uploaded to a free site. Thank you for respecting my TOU. gayle_afcb www.naturalsims.com

And the pets:  I did direct links as they are largish pics and it's less scary that way. The only one missing is Lucy my Red Kite but I don't have any pics of her  ;D

Little Bill my common kestral: Bill (http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa290/gayle_afcb_sims_2/LittleBill.jpg)

Henry my European eagle owl: Henry (http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa290/gayle_afcb_sims_2/Henry.jpg)

Oscar: Oscar (http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa290/gayle_afcb_sims_2/Oscar.jpg)

Feeding time at the zoo: yuk! (http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa290/gayle_afcb_sims_2/feedingtime.jpg)

The monkey, although he has lost a few teeth since this one was taken. This was a couple of weeks before his birthday last Oct: Scary!! (http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa290/gayle_afcb_sims_2/Lewis.jpg)

I haz my own trenchcoat  ;)

I felt compelled to share the kokigami link with many friends.
Orders have been placed.
Hopefully no one will get a papercut.
z

hee hee...excellent!

Acceptable. Cute kid - and you better bring your own trenchcoat - Moune hasn't meshed enough for everyone.  :D

Ok, Gayle.  It's obvious what's going to have to happen here.  You're just going to have to send Oscar on to me.  Yup.  It is decidedly so.

It's a deal  ;D

PS Did I mention he comes attached to boy...

Gayle, love the picture of Lewis!  ;D Can I have him?  My baby's growing up  :'(

Henry is adorable!  I still can't believe he won't fly  :D  But he probably likes being carried around  ;D

You have a very generous TOU .. personally, I wouldn't even allow recolors of my meshes at a paysite: why let them profit off my work?

Of course, since I have all the talent of a cockatoo let loose with finger paints, I don't have the above to worry about.

I think I may have you all beat, I unleash Lucifer!

(http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/193/lucyct7.th.jpg) (http://img366.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lucyct7.jpg)

*dies from teh cute*

Okies, you get to be a spy too.  :D

I don't have cute furbabies or babies to show you, I only have mr. SmartyPants. He doesn't shave very often and I think he's cute, but he still can't compete with bebehs or puppehs or kittehs. I'll never get to be a spy!  :'( :'( :'( :'(

I shall await your new meshes.  :D

OK, I can't resist showing off my baby. This is Millie when she was only a wee kitten. She still is, and I love seeing that ball of fur sprint around the theatre room when she has no collar on :D

Teh Millie (http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd317/Jess-Gilligan/StevesCameraloaded5-10-07037.jpg)

Omg Jess... Millie is so cute...oh to have a kitten again! My Freddy is a big fattie bombah. He just doesn't want to play with anything that he can't kill at the end :( Stupid cat... cat toys are a waste of money on him. Wah.

It's because my meshes are rubbish and no one wants to recolour them anyway so I can afford to be that generous LOL  ;D

Dina - you are on. So my to do list now reads - send Oscar to Courtney, send Lewis to Dina, find homes for Litlle Bill and Henry - any takers???

D I have never met such a lazy bird - he went over to the people who live opposite to visit Donut their speckled owl and nearly got run over as he just hopped across the road  ::)

Jess - Millie is a real cutie for sure and as for Charity_Bonney's Lucifer awww I may have to replace my dearly departed Oscar with him  ;)

Think you're sneaky don't you.   :D I guess the dog could have the floor, and the boy could have the doghouse... heh.

Well, sure, because he's a cat. We spend probably hundreds of dollars over the years for fancy toys for my family's cat. And what did she decide to play with? An old ping-pong ball that she found god knows where (we've never had a ping-pong table) and my dad's used earplugs. :P

This is her by the way:

http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/9190/muffinsleepingcn2.jpg

But I don't know if she fits the necessary spy criteria because she's not exactly a kitten in this picture, and because she had to be put down a year ago due to kidney problems. (My mom insists that she was a victim of the tainted food fiasco. The time fits, but she was also sixteen years old so it may have just been her time.) But can I be a spy if I play my sympathy card?

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Aw, Muffin is so cute! I love how comfortable and happy she looks :)

Freddy doesn't play with toys. He plays with insects, rats and whatever he can kill. I try and get him to batt a feather or a ball, or even my pantihose. And all he does is look at me with big yellow eyes that say "Are you insane? Don't you know who I am?"

I say your cat should be an honorary spy! :P

Awww cute!

My parents had a cat that lived to be 20 years old. It was fine and then about a hour later her organs all just started shutting down. :( I was 18 when the cat died. I used to carry the poor thing around by the neck when I was a kid, it was a very tolerant cat.
My cat Abby, she's four years old now.
(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i186/xxEMMYoo/lily/DSC00312.jpg)

And my dog Donut, my younger brother named him (my brother was four at the time). He's wearing a Schmacko's bandanna ;). He's nine years old tomorrow. And he still acts exactly the same as he did when he was a puppy. Except now when he tries to keep up with my younger brothers and sisters he pulls a muscle in his leg, it's the same muscle football player injure all the time.
(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i186/xxEMMYoo/lily/DSC00292.jpg)

I also have a turtle and three birds but they wouldn't meet the spy criteria, one bird is bald, one lays eggs all year round, and the other one doesn't stop talking.
The Turtle
(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i186/xxEMMYoo/lily/IMG003.jpg)


I give my cat McDonalds toys my younger brothers and sisters don't want anymore. And she only plays with one of them, an old octopus. She treats it as her kill, she's not smart enough to catch anything alive(which is a good thing). 

Freddy has 3 bells on his collar, so he never comes home with birds. But he is catching a few mice now... I thik because it's winter and he's finding their nest or something. It's gross.

So does my cat, She's caught one bird her whole life and it was a sick bird. I like watching her try and catch the magpies in the backyard. I think the birds know she can't get them and tease her, it's hilarious to watch.

Tippy loves straws, so I just keep a box of them around and give her one when they disappear, but her favorite "toy" is playing with shadows.  Since she's deaf, she doesn't care for any of the jingle-y toys,  shadows are much more fun to attack. 

My Cattie died in the middle of last year of cancer. :( She was 11. But this reminds me of her. I think I tried to carry her around by the neck too. As I grew older, I began to carry her around my neck, haha.

I have no meshing abilities, cute babies, cats or dogs.

(http://i30.tinypic.com/n5fsxi.jpg)

But I haz cute bunny. I can be spy too?

God that is a cute bunneh. You're in.  :D

These are my babies (http://www.catster.com/family/249526). :)

awww! more fur babies. (and a tiny turtle!)  too cute!  :D

Wonderful cat toys, by the way! My cat loves for me to throw them so that she can bring them back. I just bought 50 pairs of earplugs today for her  :P

All the fur babies are as cute as the human babies.  That bunny is too cute, kinda looks like a puppy with bunny ears.

I love looking at everyone's furbabies. Here's my potential spies.

(http://img65.imageshack.us/img65/8185/200806050011yb8.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
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4 out of 5 furbabies; Ginny, Leia, Woof and no-name. We need a home for the little guy on the back right (no-name) :P. My big old girl is missing from the pic. She's big, grey and floofy, and loves only me.

(http://img65.imageshack.us/img65/8094/200806050015vm7.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
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Woof, looking smug. "Cute? I know!"

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She even has the Snark :D. I dunno what she was saying, but I bet it was rude.

Reminds me of the bunny I had when I was little.

It's far from tiny now, It's about 20cm long now, nearly fully grown. We have a 6ft tank for it now. I was going to put a pond in the backyard but the cane toads are really bad at my place and I don't want to give them a place to breed. Plus my dog likes to chase cane toads, he's nearly died three times from biting them. :(

Strix, that last picture would make a great lol cat. It could say something like STFU and Go Away, or something like that. Cool pic.

She does need macro-ing. "STFU n00b!" or something perhaps :D

Aww! Your cat looks almost like MY cat!!  Black & white, with black nose and white paws - my cat has an extra finger on his front paws, so they look like hands/mittens. I must say, though, even the part of your house in that picture looks eerily similar to mine O.O  But back to the cats: my kitty is 4 years old now, but when he was a baby he was soooooooo adorable!!  He's still adorable now, but you know what I mean - kittens are so new and curious and they don't know what anything is, it's fascinating to watch them.

Seeing your kitty's picture just reminds me of all that: I remember when my little baby was too small to climb steps, and he didn't understand how "eyeballs" work (blinking, moving, etc) so he'd poke my eye.  I'd be going to sleep, he'd be peeking his head out from one side of the pillow, and I would watch him while he watched me. He would then cautiously reach a paw out and touch my eye quickly before withdrawing it lol

Anyhoo, just had to comment since yours looks almost like mine, and has such a cute expression on her face!  I like the bell.  I once bought mine a very nice red collar with a bell, but he started acting all retarded when we put it on, and tried to bite it by twisting his head in weird ways and turning in circles. :-\

Edit: Just wanted to add, because it's both odd and amusing, that my cat tries to talk to birds.  He makes this very odd, ..stuttered? meowing that's, I guess, supposed to sound like chirping.  They chirp, he chirp-meows at them, and they continue chirping.  Maybe he can talk to them?

My cats do that too it is hilarious when they chatter at them.  Mine will do that and have their tails lashing, they want the birds so badly.

It's a kitty's way of ordering KFC.

My cats talk to the birds, too...lol.
Milo likes to chatter at them, then he meows really loud and scares them all away. He gets this...muhahahaha look on his face as he turns to get out of the window....then he comes up to me like, Did you see what I did? I scary fat cat...lol.

Odie just twicthes and chatters...she's silly.

I never knew it was a common occurrence!  I googled this last night before going to bed and saw a bunch of YouTube clips of cats chattering to birds and was quite fascinated to see my cat isn't the only one.  I do have another cat but he doesn't chatter at all, and the cat I had about 14 years ago (my first cat, he's no longer around :() never chattered, either.  I'd also never come across it in all the personal research I've done about cats over the years.

I've read some mixed opinions on why cats chatter, but I don't think mine does it out of frustration or wanting to eat the birds - I think he really wants to talk to them lol.  He's never been outdoors, he's a very sweet cat, and he scares REALLY easily.  But who knows; I'd like to believe my little baby doesn't want to eat them :P

Ry, Pooki - are your cats outdoor cats, or have they ever gone outside just to sniff around? How do you think they learn how to chatter? It's so odd-sounding lol

My cats are indoor ones but I have let them outside before to play some.  Its something that all the cats I have ever had have done.  Even the ones that were outdoor cats.  I used to have one that would chatter at the fish tank too. :D  I think it is just an instinct in them, and some do it some don't.   My cats are very vocal too and always meow back at us when we talk to them.  I swear sometimes my hubby's cat understands what he wants her to do, he will tell her to do something and she immediately goes and does it.  Hubby is a cat whisperer. LOL!

Freddy varies his pitch in his meow. He sings with my bf in the shower, and he sounds happy especially if it's cold, because he knows that when bf gets out of shower he is going have a very warm lap!
He also greets us, and the pitch varies depending on how lonely he's been. If he's been stuck inside it's usually a desperate "hurry up and feed me! I have that Siamese cat down the street to see!" kinda meow, and he hits and run.
if its summer and hes been going in and out of the house, he greets us with a "Oh. Hey can you like feed me...and uh..sit down afterwards...so I can nap on you? It's hot.." *pause* "and I would very much like to make you uncomfortable."

And then there is the short meows when he sees his towel being lifted from his Vet box, and I swear he's saying "Bath or the Vet? bath or the VET? You're doing it again man! You're lifting that towel! Come on, don't...you totally suck! I hate that towel! it represents pain!" <-- he usually really drags out a whingeing meow at that last part. It's a green towel I wash after his baths, and he hates it lol.

Yeah I love my Freddy, he's awesome. Because it's winter he hangs out a lot with me, and he's getting a bit old so he's appreciating his human slave  :D

Both of them have *snuck* out before, but are indoor cats for the most part.
Odie never did it until Milo came, he 'taught' her or something.
I had a cat years ago who never did this either, I'd never heard of it until Milo came and started in on it. Then Odie learned....
Both are very vocal, too. Milo meows his name when he's hungry....Odie just complains all the time..lol..

Hehe, i found this cute singing cat video :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4r-jnHJt0o&feature=related

Dr House, aww thats cute! She sounds sad though =(

As for the indoor/outdoor thing and chattering - seems like it doesn't have anything to do with that, but it sounds like VOCAL cats do it.  My fat old outdoor tabby is not vocal, so he doesn't do any chattering despite hearing Simon do it.  And Simon is verry vocal, he likes to talk and I have no idea what he says half the time lol.  It's probably things like "Do you has food for me?!" and "Gimme sum attenshunz plx!"  I figure he talks like lolcats, in a very cute kiddie-voice, if he were to talk in Human.

I was going to say something else, but no longer remember. Oh well. Moar cat talk! :)

None of my cats have ever 'chattered' with birds, when we had two cats at the same time they used to work together to catch birds.

The cat I have now hardly makes any noise, only when she's playing with the octopus toy she loves, she'll start meowing loudly, like she does when she's going to throw up, so I'll run to her to try and get her outside before she chucks up in the house, but it's just her playing the the stupid toy. But when I don't go to her she'll chuck up all through the house.