PMBD

First of all I would like to thank all of you for this wonderful site and file sharing, because I don't think it's fair to ask so much money for the stuff, that isn't even real  :D
Now back to the topic.
There's a question that really bothers me. I don't believe that "Peggy" is a one person. I mean I think it's something like a team :) They make a lot of different stuff, they have very complicated site layout (I say that because I understand something in these things, such site costs a lot of money to make if you order), they ask really a lot money for subscription. If one or two people pays them it is already enough to pay for site hosting. But I really think that there are much more than 2 people that buy their stuff.
I haven't seen Peggy on any sim board over the internet (well there was someone, who posted their updates, but then they said that this person has nothing in common with them) . But most of the makers are there, chatting with other people. It seems a bit strange to me.

What are your thoughts about this?
(I'm sorry if such topics are not allowed here)

There are at least two persons "artistically" involved in Peggy Inc. - Peggy and Juice (I think. Correct me if I'm wrong).

But that's all I know! The site could be a Chinese child labour sweatshop run by the government to infiltrate the decadent Western world...

Know what..? I think it is!

from what i've gathered around she seems to be a housewife with kids.  to my understanding she has been skinning ever since sims1 so she can pretty much do a lot of stuff if you have no job.  maybe juice is her husband, we'll never know.   :lol:

if she's taking other people's really crappy meshes which they give for free and she manipulates them as crappy donate items then it is an easy thing to do (maybe).  but i do know coloring hair meshes with adobe is fairly easy if you use the action function.  read hysterical P's verbose tutorials at mts2 to get what i mean. :lol:

Well, certainly not "kids". This is China we're talking about, there can't be more than one.

All I know is that there are two creators, Peggy and Juice. Oh, and most of the meshes end up being crappy in game.

But that's why she has to charge for her CC. She has more than one and is therefor blacklisted in all the Hello Kitty factories. Gotta feed the chillun somehow.

first of all after learning the proper identities of openhousejack and rosesims,
the nasty hchangeri and delphy>>>i don't think i want to know anything about peggy.  her site's image with the fairy and twinkling wand is enuf.  beyond that, i am scared. :shock:

From the Whois for peggysims2.net



...I wish I lived in a hi-tech building...

The names of Chinese-people tend to be pretty useless, though. There's probably like a dozen people with that exact name living in the same building alone. When you make a phone call to China, you Wing the Wong number.

You know, the sad thing is, Pescado told me the same joke only just a couple of days ago.  :roll: And he thought he was being funny.

So, Peggy's Chinese. BIG FUCKING WHOOP.

Is it mostly the Asian hair creators that color the custom hairs the really bright unnatural colors?

and about the not releasing personal info ...yea... :roll:

I know Pegy personally. Her english name is actually Pegy not Peggy. She is not a housewife. Has a boyfriend but not married yet. And of course no child  :lol: She is a young lady living in southern China, don't know her exact age but definitly not over 28. She actually chats online, not in english forum but in chinese sims fan forum. That's the official forum of ChinaFanSims. Peggysims is owned by Pegy and Juice alone. No other members. They create everything using Milkshape (that amazed me because Milkshape is hard to use comparing 3dmax). Don't know Juice a lot but I think juice is a "he" (from some hints but not sure). Talked to him couple of times, and he appears to be funny guy  :P

No you are wrong. Actually the names of chinese people have more variety than western people. The english spelling may be confusing, but actually if you see the chinese word, you know the same "Wong" will have dramatic difference. Besides, chinese people don't use last name to tell them apart, not like western, where you can have millions of Sara but only a few Ms. stonebraker. While in China, when you give a kid a name, you can basically give him/her any word you want. Don't have to be Amanda or Bella or Michael or whatever name shared by millions of people. That's kind of funny because each chinese person has unique name that representing his/her parents best wishes or their personality  :P

Oh, BTW, if DENG JIAJIA is Pegy's name, then that name (Jiajia, deng is her last name) basically means "best of best". I like it. Pretty name for a girl  :D

It's a popular trend in east asia. Not only china, also korea, japan, hongkong, etc. Young peoples like to dye their hair into different unnatural colors. I myself enjoy that a lot. My favorite color is shining purple with a few strands of white :roll: Those western girls who only want to become blondy are sooo boring (no offense).

Dreamwalker is a MINE of information!! Thank you. :)

Yep I remember seeing his picture on a blog or something someone put up.  He wasn't wearing a shirt, which prompted me to inquire how much Peggy was paying him if he couldn't even afford a shirt.

This thread has made it official:  Some of you are terrible, terrible people.  xD

Doesnt she have a translator for her site? She clearly doesnt know english or know it that well at least, thats why we dont see her around forums.

I think her meshes (hair and objects...not much into her clothing meshes) are fabulous. Come on, we all know we download them ;)

sure i downloaded 'em for my sister but not for me.  give me nouk and xm instead.

eh, i like some of her hairs but its too much work for me (the computer illiterate dumbass) to bin and recolor them to be real colors (yes Dreamwalker i understand your point, but I am Western and I like real reds (not just blonde thank you very much) and browns). you would think that Peggy would know that there are quite a few Western people who download from her site and she could at least offer some colors that are more natural (the reds and browns in particular). Other than that, i do use some in game but most have too many things wrong with them. again, eh.

Probably, but I can't read that, so it's all the same to me. As far as I'm concerned, Chinese is a language that sounds like a bird that has swallowed some kind of percussion instrument. Don't get me wrong or anything. I'm not racist. I hate everyone.

Downloading something does not mean it will be kept or used.  Especially after examining it in Body Shop and seeing the glaring mistakes and horrible lies you have been told.

I naturally have this gross light brown dark blonde hair color, my middle sister is a dirty blond, and my youngest sister has brown hair...I have been dying my hair shades of red and dark brown since I was 15 while most of the girls opted for bleach blond or black. My hair is currently a dark reddish brown color and I love it...i would never dye it blond.
I prefer girls with black or red hair, so you will rarely see blond sims in my game lol
Just because all the skanky ho's on mtv are blond doesn't mean all western girls have a blond obsession.....and most of the guys i've known prefer girls with dark hair (a few of them loved redheads)....

Where was anyone getting this whole peggy has a family thing? the first time i saw it mentioned was when you guys were discussing lyric's whole "they use the money to support their children" thing

Also, shouldnt you edit out her address and phone number? or at least edit bits of it? So we aren't hypocritical  I mean (complaining about rose giving out info then doing it ourselves--like the Delphy thing)...i can just imagine the phone calls she'd get lol

I never thought that Pegy was a mother with children. Rumors, rumors. :P

I just realized the fairy on her layout now wears a santa costume.

And wasn't she going to open a BBS? It seems like she dropped the idea.

That's swell.  An equal opportunity offender.

Thank you Dreamwalker, for setting things straight. :) I was wondering when the China-bashing would stop.

I think it's time to edit out Peggy's personal information.  :shock: If it's not OK to post anyone else's, than it's not OK to post hers.

And enough with the Chinese bashing.  :roll:

Peggy makes crappy meshes that she charges too much for, but I doubt it has anything to do with her ethnicity

I wish people would bash my ethnic background.  Sigh.  Or at least the part that isn't white.  (Actually, I would love to hear some great white people jokes that have nothing to do with hillbillies.)

I dunno--anyone can do a WHOIS if they cared enough to want to launch an attack on Peggy.

The inherent problem with "white people" bashing is that white people are essentially a generic flavor of people. There's no singularly "white" ethnicity or culture. You need to be more specific in what flavor of white people you wish to bash. Like, say, the Polish.

It's not private information; anyone can look it up within a minute.

And no one said she makes crappy meshes because she's Chinese.

Though I like her hairs.  The meshes are crappy, but they still look good enough.  I mean, there's not many out there that are better.

The funny thing is how you learn all the best racist jokes from the people being made fun of themselves. All those "Chinese-bashings" I learned from the Chinese. :P Sorta like how no one knows more dead lawyer jokes than a lawyer.

Best quote ever. I was just stating how I have everyone & everything, not just one particular person or one particular thing :)

Pescado, that's complete and utter bullshit. You hardly know any Chinese people. The jokes you've told me are regurgitations of ancient stereotypes generated from the West. Chinese people would not tell you these jokes IN ENGLISH, not to mention this is entirely not how they perceive themselves.

Maybe not Chinese, I don't know, but I've known some Koreans who  have told very self depreciating racial jokes.

Yes Lemmiwinks, we know about your well-recorded "expertise" with regard to Asian people, especially over at MATY.  :roll:

I am talking about actual friends and relatives here. I have Japanese and Korean nieces and nephews.

I have a Chinese friend who tells pretty bad racial jokes and says some deranged things, but on some days he won't shut up about how great China is :/

YES thank you... i only have one blonde in my game at the moment, my hair is a dark red color so thats mostly what i do, or brown which is the rest of my family's hair color. most guys i know as well don't like the blondes i think its starting to turn from that whole obsession (thank God).

The post with Peggy's information isn't considered classified because anyone could do a /whois on her website and get the same information.

The thing with Delphy was not the same thing.  His information was not available that way.

GD it! Why just you say these things? Do you know how bad it hurts to have Coke shoot out your nose? DO YOU!?!

*resumes cleaning screen*

If they didn't tell me them in English, I wouldn't have understood them. Besides, I'm sure they're not funny in Chinese. I probably know more Chinese than you do. I buy stuff from them in large quantities, after all.

Besides, you're not Chinese either. Apparently the actual Chinese laugh at you, remember? And now it's your turn to tell us a racist joke.

Well I have no idea whether or not Pescado knows any Chinese people, but I lived with a Chinese girl while at uni, and she told me quite a few jokes about the Chinese, just like I told her many jokes about Geordies/the English in general.

Edited to add: I downloaded several Peggy hairs, promptly deleted them, couldn't stand how they looked in game. I never even wondered why she had so many unnatural colours, possibly because I only have a couple of female friends with remotely natural hair colours, the rest are either bright red, pink, purple, green or black with blue streaks.

LOL Pescado - Chinese people laugh at me because I speak butchered Mandarin, as a result of living in non-Chinese speaking countries for half of my life. But you're totally wrong - I am 100% Chinese. I just don't come from China, and neither do I live there. My ancestors come from China, though. I have relatives who live there.

And you probably don't know more Chinese people than I do, no.

See, that sort of thing strikes me as a healthy exchange of self-deprecation. You laugh at yourself and share it with me, I return the favour. That's not quite the same as a white person telling a squinty-eyed joke about Asian people to an Asian person (and if so, it REALLY depends on who is doing the joking, and within what sort of context). All cultures are subject to acts of self-deprecation and do share those gems with people who don't belong to that culture. It's not the same, however, when someone from outside that culture does it.

Having said all of that, I should make it clear that I'm not actually offended when Pescado tells me his racist jokes about Chinese people. Again, depends on the person and context, and I don't actually believe that he IS racist. Those who have hung around him for awhile know that he's an equal opportunity asshole. :D I don't take any of it personally. I know he's just winding me up.

Sounds like a variation of the n-word debate that we are used to in the States. Hopefully, you all know what n-word I am referring to, I don't use it. Although, it is a very complicated matter, that many feel very strongly about. I guess I wouldn't want to be called a "cracker" so I try and respect others' feelings, too. I do wish things weren't so complicated. though.

I understand where Surelyfunke is coming from though.  It's kinda like making fun or even bitching about your family.  It's ok if you talk about your crazy mother or hippie uncle Joe, but if someone else does it, it's a completely different.

Back on topic-

Pegy is a young teenage girl who in no way is a man, old woman, married, or any of that shananigan. Really, I've seen pictures of her..

Housewife with kids? Haha, she's a teen from what I've heard. I think I've seen pictures of her before, on another forum. I can't prove they were really hers, though, because I can't remember the source. I'll still try to find them.

maybe i got the impression she's a mother with kids because of somewhere here that i read. lmao i basically believe most things i read, so there.  she has a pix? come on, post it!!!!!

pescado is a middle-aged blind chinese lady with 2 kids.

With a beard, too :P

How would you know? Asians between the ages of 12 and 60 tend to look exactly the same.

Well, in that case...

Yooooo hooooooooo, Pescaaaaaaaaaadoo!!!  :lol:

Found her little picture book.

http://pegy.gamesir.com/user1/73/cmd.shtml?uid=73&do=album&page=3

She's nice. Even without a beard. She looks 14.

There's no 14. Only 12.

My question is why Peggy can't seem to decide how many g's her name is supposed to have.

Eh, I'm not really surprised. But seriously, what does a 12 year old  :P do with all that money? Also, I wanted to know this, what's the exchange rate from US dollars to Chinese currency?

Indeed, she has no chilluns to feed.

It seems to be 7.84 as of 1 dec.

Not bad.

So, for every dollar I spend on her site, she gets 7.84? Or am I just confusing myself?

7.84 chinese yuans, or 7.78 hong kong dollars, don't know what she uses. Just for comparison, 1 USD = 0.76 €.

So, I did the math. If, on any given day, someone buys a $39.95 subscription, she gets 312.89 CNY. Or, depending on what she does use, 310.62 HKD. Now, I ask, what are prices like in China?

Wow, there are so many opinions about who Peggy is :) She is a housewife with kids, young woman, teenage girl (I wish I could make such websites and meshes when I was 12) :) The most funny thing is that people who say that - know for sure. so there must be at least 3 different Peggys?   :lol:

I blame it on the fact that -ese people all look about the same, and tend not to change greatly in appearance between the ages of 12 and 60. Just be careful not to tag them with the wrong -ese, because they kinda hate each other and get really pissed if you do. And then you have to worry about non-ese people, who are not any -ese, yet look the same.

Koreanese?  Laotianese?  Filipinoese?

I looked through those pictures, and let me tell you, I'm thrilled that my $9.95 a month furnishes her trips to Sea World.

i wish someone would pay me to go to Sea World, its fucking expensive these days, like going to goddamn disneyland i swear lol
and she doesnt look older than 18, yet in order to get the paypal money she would have to have a bank account or credit card....unless her parents/sugardaddy are getting the paypal money for her and giving it to her?

Paypal rules say you must be 18 to have an account.

Granted, one could lie, but technically a 15-year-old is too young for Paypal :P

There is no 15. That is still 12. You are hereby issued a warning for failure to convincingly pretend to be older than 12, as required in the registration agreement.

What are all of the ages anyway, Pescado?

the six rule.  you're not 18, you're 12.

Lol most asians don't age accordingly... they usually look much younger than they are. I have a thai friend that comes to visit me over here every once in a while, we're both 21 but it's always a pain in the ass to take him to bars and clubs because no one believes he's 21 unless he shows some ID. He looks like he's 14  

I always tease him and complain about it :lol: LMAO

You could at least get it right. If you're 18 in real years, you're 18 in Pescado years.

grrr well i'm confused.   :evil:

It's not really all that confusing, you had it right first time, you just appeared to miss the aging threshold...12, until you actually ARE 18, whereby you're Pescado-18, from then on, you continue to be 18, until you are rest-of-world-24, when you become Pescado-24. And you're not allowed to round up. :(

Nyah, Pegy doesn't look 14 or 12. She is just acting cute ...you know those japanese "kawaii" girls. Kawaii means "cute" in japanese. That's what she is pretending to be.
Damn, it isnt a wonder her stupid site looks the way it does...just look at the poses she strikes.

She must be at least 24. She doesn't look older than 28.

I know what kawaii is. She certainly doesn't look anywhere NEAR 18 to me.

or she could be the daughter of the site owner.

What parent doesn't pose with their child in at least one picture?  Assholes!  Granted, I only looked at the first page before getting bored, so maybe there is proof on the later pages, but anyway.

Either way--I wish I could go to Sea World.

i just find it tough to believe pegy is that young.  correct me if i'm wrong but she has been skinning since ts1, right?  and what age was she back then, ten?  :lol: or it could be she just really looks young.  seaworld is for wimps!

She looks like she's in her 20's to me.  So, 18, I guess :P

She doesn't look like she has kids either.

Good point, yeah, she can't be like, 14 or 15 really, 5 years back she was churning out pretty good stuff for TS1, I'm willing to agree with the jailbait-lookin' consensus...

She has been skinning since TS1.  Someone in this thread who has talked with her mentioned that she has a boyfriend and is living in an apartment.  I know someone else who mentioned that Peggy is a full-time job for Pegy (note the g's if you are confused).   So if this is true then I am sure she is using the funding for everything from groceries to seaworld trips.

Say what you will about Peg(g)y but her stuff is the most requested and wanted that I have seen for TS2, and outside of maybe TSR, she is probably also the site that most people sub at  ...  12 or 18 or 24, she is not doing to bad for herself.

ugh... what is it with asian people and the damned peace sign? why do they feel the need to do that in EVERY picture of them?! other than that, i think that she could be 18, like others have said asian people tend to look young... but to me she looks at least 18, something about her face.

ps: i'm not so sure thats Sea World.... all the attendents that she took pics of seem to be Chinese... maybe SeaWorld China?

There isn't only one SeaWorld and as far as I am aware they're all just called SeaWorld so the generic location name is valid.

You know she can be anything from 20 to 30 years old. I'm serious about it, an aquaintance of mine married a Chinese woman and I got to meet her. I was 14 at the time and she looked exactly my age, only that she was in her mid 20s. I was stunned when I found out, and so was she because she had thought I was her age.

She's definitely college age. She looks kind of like a friend of mine, and she's 21 now (18 on the Pescado calendar).

That doesn't look like Seaworld to me. It looks like Ocean Park in Hong Kong.

One of the forums I frequent just got an interview with Peggy, and she said the following:



So I guess she's at least out of college...

The peace sign isn't a peace sign to them, it is a victory sign.

As for why they do it so much.... I got nothin'.

And it's not SeaWorld, it's Ocean Park. You can see the sign in one of the pictures.

I care.  Really, truly, honestly.

Stupid checkmark under the chin thing.  People have been doing that since I was in elementary school and they all thought they were so awesome doing it.  :o

You are right. That is Ocean Park in HK. The chinese words in the picture read as such.
She probably buys a LV bag over at HK with the sub money too. lol.
They sell LV bags in HK much cheaper than China.

And torque, maybe others don't know what kawaii is. The explaination is there for their reference. I am very sure that Pegy is at least 24. If you know asian people well, you know how to tell her ages accurately.
One bad thing about asians is that they look younger than they are but once they start to age, they age terribly and look horrible. But Caucasians tend to look older when young and age more gracefully when they start to show age.

If Pegy is living full time on her site, it is not such a bad idea for her. After all, China is infamous for being difficult to find a good paying job. And looking at her, she doesn't look like such a bright bulb to me.

Regarding the victory sign, maybe Jackie Chan popularised it. He does that irritating gesture in everyone of his photos.

whats an LV bag?

Of course you care. Everybody cares about Pegy/Peggy. D:

Did anyone check out the link to Juices profile (bottom left, under "friends")? Sorry, but I just HAD to point it out. Do you think that's him?  ;)

It's one of those irritating new photoisms, like when they started that "say cheese" campaign. In the Good Old Days, it was traditional and proper to stand stiffly and scowl balefully at the camera.

I dunno, but either way, that's a lot of hair.

Louis Vuitton. Nasty, ugly, chavvy-looking overpriced shit. Or maybe a bag of Luncheon Vouchers....

I want to know what possessed her to think that Peggy/Pegy is a glamourous, cool sounding name. I mean, I know mundane western names sound exotic and foreign and fantastical and great to Asians, but seriously, PEGGY? It sounds like an old cockney lady with a bad bad dye job, a hairnet and a tabard, puffing on a fag as she spies on her neighbours...

The only Peggy I know is from King of the Hill.



Holy observation skills, Batman!

I never look at things that close.  One day I will fall victim to something silly like, "Do you want a penis butter and jelly sandwich?" And I'll be all, "Sure."  And everyone will be like, "OMG HAHAHAHAHAH RTARD."  And then I'll be like, "SHUT UP GUYZ.  UR JACKASSES.  LEVE ME AONE."

Anyway, terrible picture of Juice.  He needs to dress it up just as well as the other Asian guys do on Myspace, not try to pass off as hot from his untoned body.  Even my fetishes for hipbones and clavicles can't save this picture.

And wtf is with the little poop by the picture?  Is that commentary?

i find the sole english message really funny: "i enjoy you".  perhaps it has something to do with the famous festival pegy has enlightened us about? :twisted: and i joined the bandwagon and checked out juice.  HOLY mother of G- he seemed to be trying for the rocker dude look but his pix drowned in pink kinda defeats the purpose.  and i'm sick of pegy.  peggy, pegy, blah, blah, blah.  pfft.  so what's the minimum daily wage in China anyway?  I'm pretty sure one ten dollar sub will set a Chinese family for at least a month. sad, but it maybe true.

I dunno. I'm Asian and I still think Pegy looks young. Something about her bodyshape as well. I didn't peg her (har har) to be anything over 20, tops. :P

Jysudo - I think Asians overall still age better than Caucasians, LOL. Maybe I'm also incredibly biased. The women in my family age amazingly well. My grandmother of 84 has no lines around her eyes. I'm sure it really depends on how much sun you were exposed to.

I didn't know that LV bags were cheaper in HK. I thought they would be cheaper in the mainland for some reasons. I should probably let some people who care about that shit know, then. :D

If I were Pegy and I read this thread, I would be totally creeped out.   :lol:

It's neither. Peace nor Victory. Asian girls do it because it's "cute". Therefore they are "cute".

I read a newspaper article once that mainland chinese went to HK to Q up outside LV shops because supposedly the LV bags in HK are MUCH cheaper. The mainland chinese are so bloody rich these days that they are spending on such stuff.

I don't know. I think Asians shrink a lot while aging. Causasians don't ...although Causasians end up being rounder than Asians. And Asians have more wrinkles but I think you are right. It is the sun factor.
I think it is amazing that your nana of 84 years old have no  lines around the eyes. Because even 25 years old have lines around their eyes these days.


and torque, don't think that only girls do it. Remember Jackie Chan do it all the time. Can't imagine him acting cute. It is a victory sign. Besides, go to Thailand and you see how the thais pose...it is even more 'kawaii' than that victory sign ...*coughs*

How much you wanna bet she bought that car w/ the paysite money? She's really making a killing off this.

Meh, I guess I should be happy she has so many suckers to exploit.



It's easy to pronounce since it hews closer to Asian pronounciation systems. I have a friend whose Chinese name sounds exactly like Peggy, so her English name is, naturally, Peggy.

And are all LV bags cheaper in HK? Or just the totally over, monogram patterned crap?

And Asians do age better, from my experience. My mom is in her 40s and has no wrinkles. In fact, I once got a wrinkle cream sample and wanted to give it to my mother, but I couldn't, b/c she didn't have any wrinkles!

And my dad, who's almost 50, rountinely has pple telling him he looks like he's in his 20s, although I think it's more 30ish.

But I do agree that the shrinkage is major for Asian folks. I think it's b/c we're all lactose intolerant and whatnot and don't drink as much milk as we should. Weak bones and what have you.

I thought churchill started it. :D
I'm just waiting for someone to do that hand gesture the other way. :lol:

anyway if anyone's curious wiki is helpful for info http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V_sign

Osteoporosis is a major factor for us. I don't know about the dairy thing, but we have less bone mass than our Caucasian counterparts to begin with. There are ways to counter this without dairy, like doing high-impact exercise such as weightlifting and running.

Pegy isn't phonetically matching her English name to her Mandarin name though. Her Mandarin name is Jia Jia, which doesn't sound close to Pegy to me.

Jysudo, me thinks you need to hang around a lot more aging Caucasians. LOL.

But yes, all in all, she makes a bloody killing from her website. DEATH TO PAYSITES!

Well, not that I'm a huge expert on east Asian culture or anything, but I heard somewhere that most Westerners smell kinda bad to Asians, as in, people who live in Asia, as opposed to Americans and so on, not because of bad hygiene, but because of dairy features quite highly in our diet, whereas most Chinese/Japanese foods don't have much of a milky content...

I may be madly wrong, of course, I heard this a very long time ago, from an unverified source...

But if it is indeed the case, then yeah, lack of calcium would factor into it quite a bit...

My English friends pretty much have that down. LOL. Highly doubt that Asians would know what that meant. It would be funny if they did it though.

Jesserocket, where I live, babies are typically brought up on cow's milk. Not all of us are lactose-intolerant, though many are. Cheese and milk is consumed in good amounts here, though probably nothing compared to the amount that Europeans consume. You're right, dairy products are not culturally ingrained into many Asian cuisines (though I'm sure somewhere in the north that would be different), but that doesn't stop, say, Meiji, a large Japanese corporation, to be selling the huge amounts of milk that they do. We have local milk producers here to. Milk is commonly handed out in schools to children, and consumed for breakfast with cereal, etc. Then again, I live in a highly-Westernized society and this may not be true for many other Asian nations.

Also, depending on where you procure your sources, dairy may not have a significant impact on bone mass loss. That is certainly what the FDA would like us to believe, due to vested interests, but I won't get into a dairy-industry rant here.

As for the stink....I just don't know. I hardly notice it myself. I do know, however, based on ENTIRELY my experiences alone, that the English tend to smell a lot worse than the Americans. They don't shower as much. LOL. A very huge generalization there, of course. Stinky people are just stinky people regardless of where they're from.

The best way to avoid bone mass loss is to EAT BONES. Why do you think dogs do it?

I love milk, but I hate Japanese milk.  Must be something in the grasses of Hokkaido.  

Or it could have not been from cows  :shock:   (just thought of that because you mentioned Meiji)

I have an aversion to milk and all dairy products.  It's nothing to do with health (oranges make my tummy hurt worse than anything)--I just don't like the taste.

What about poor little "Other" bubble-filling-in me?  :cry:  I rarely see "Mixed" or "Mixed heritage" on those little ethnicity thingies.  I'm too lazy to fill in both if they let me, so some days I'm full Caucasian, other days I'm full Asian.  Whatever.  :P

Really? Where might that be?



Most Asians don't eat food w/ any milky content at all, so you're right on that. When it comes to milky foods, the mere thought of cream soups and Fettucini Alfredo just churns my stomach. Strangely enough, cheese I like, in tiny amounts and depending on the type, and I just LOVE cheesecake, even though I can never finish more than half a slice at a time.

The stink though I haven't noticed. Although I do hear that Asians don't stink when they sweat, not like Westerners do. So yeah, Westerners stink in comparison, but not if they're clean and non-sweaty. That's why they don't sell deodorant in China btw (dunno about elsewhere). Cuz it isn't needed. I've never worn it, and I don't smell.

Then you have people in the US who would die without theirs because we are a society so hung up on cleanliness and hygiene. What I mean is, it's grained into us that we much bathe everyday and so worth.

what is wrong with some people who say they don't sell deodorants in China because they don't stink?  i find it laughable at best.  look, it's a scientific fact that whites and blacks do smell more than the asians.  if you ask me my source i might just give it to you because i'm pretty sure i read it from an anatomy book.  if i'm very, very bored i'll even scan it for you.   the difference is our olfactory sense develop a numbness to a certain smell when we're exposed to it a lot of times.  they have a term for that but my memory is quite dim for now.  hence someone with a body odor a lot of times fails to notice he needs to shower really bad.  it's a lot like developing a callous when we smell something "offensive" for the first time we hate it but if we encounter that smell repeatedly our nose will get used to it.
in hong kong, taking a bath daily is frowned upon by most households because you waste water and it's not good luck if you do.  and that place is quite cosmopolitan already, compared to the real China which is still rural for the most part.  the whites and blacks do have a more noticeable smell compared to asians but it doesn't necessarily mean it's due to poor hygiene.  it's genetics.  if asians think they smell better it's because they are genetically lucky not because they are more hygienic. Pfft.

I'm milk-intolerant, too. But it's not a problem because I don't like milk anyway.

I shower each day. Sometimes twice a day. So I don't know whether I "stink" or not.

.torque. i'm not looking for a wife btw. :lol:
i'm afraid i didn't say my point quite clearly.  what is normal smell for the whites and blacks is strong for most asians (?) purely because they are not used to the scent. :lol: i know i myself am confused, but i guarantee you this is scientifically true.  again, it's ignorant for some asians to boast and base their bragging on hygiene routines because it's a dumb assumption.  it is purely about genes.  well of course no one is immune to poor hygiene so i won't be so proud announcing to the world that this country does not sell deodorants because no one stinks over here. ROFL.  poor motherfuckers.  i wonder, maybe dragon scales is fantastic for nasty odors.

I really love Meiji milk. It is the only reason why I drink milk...
Their milk is far better than Aussie or NZ milk.

oops. I thought the required age was a hint.  :) and you wanted babies with jesse.

I didn't mention hygiene at all, just that when it comes to sweaty Asians vs sweaty Westerners, the Westerners are gonna stink a lot, lot more. And Westerners aren't gonna stink as long as they're clean. Which is kinda what you said so yourself. So I dunno where you're getting your rant from.

And I said I don't use deodorant, not that I don't shower. Wow. I'm sure full of myself, cuz you know, I don't need deodorant. :roll:

lol no, i wanted the kid to get outta here since we talk pretty much a lot about
skull fucking, child porn convict, a prostitute and the attention whores.  well even a geriatric would have a heart attack with the treasure trove of links around PMBD.  of course if she goes to s2c it'll most probably defeat my purpose of trying to protect her from the predator and shitty facts of life.
hell yes! i want a football team of kids with jesse that can probably out cuss me before they turn five.  rofl, first she has to give me her birth papers, i have to make sure she's not Onyela (?). :D pirate babies, yeah!



it's not a rant, i just can't say things in a nice way a lot of times.  sorry babe, want a beer?    :oops: hey, i laugh basically about everything, so when someone says they don't sell anti-perspirants in a country as big as China, i just find it really funny.  hell, i laugh at how i look every morning since i was six, so i hope that will make you feel better ;)

I don't use "deodorant" or shower much. I also stink, but hey. It keeps people at bay. It's also handy that scar tissue doesn't sweat.

oh I get it. Jesse is lucky. With the upcoming 22 december national orgasm day and all.

Well, all this started because of a remark about smell.  

What I have read (as opposed to heard, which is much less reliable) is that Japanese people tend to smell of fish to Westerners, and we tend to smell like butter to them - this is solely due to diet, and has nothing to do with genetics or natural smelliness.

There are fundamental differences genetically which can change smell - such as the amount of underarm hair - which varies between the caucasoid, mongoloid and negroid races, but the difference is minimal.  Neither is less or more smelly - unless like Pescado you don't shower, and really people like that are in a race of their own - hopefully separate from the rest of us.

Sorry to interrupt a good fight. :D

i disagree.  although i concur with the diet thing.  it is even said the more fats you eat, the stinkier your sweat is.  lord, i'm pretty sure opJack is an expert on this, what with his sniffing his shit and all after a cup of coffee.  generally, whites and blacks do have more pronounced scents but wether one finds it disagreeable or not is a culture thing.  and it doesn't necessarily mean it's a nasty smell.

...You know you're scaling new heights of retarded-ness when you're trying to argue why some races stink more than others. LOL.

The voice of reason!

My god, what a shitstain this thread turned into.



I was just thinking this.

Whether or not you smell has more to do with your diet than your race you 'tards. More green vegetables and less meat = less body odor. You can test this yourselves.

You people amuse me. :D

I think you all stink, srsly.

i'm not lactose intolerent, i'm milk and ice cream intolerent.... i can eat pretty much any other dairy product though i do get sick if i eat too much cheese..... 0_o

I have a milk allergy but I can eat cheese (don't like it much) and ice cream without problem, just not milk. there's various protiens in milk itself that get broken down when processed that one can be allergic to.

Also, you have to consider that (IIRC) females have more senitive noses, evolved so they could locate their children by scent if needed. I've noticed my black friends smell different than my white ones, faintly; also, my mom smells different than other white women I know, except there are a few who smell faintly like her, so it's gotta be some weird diet thing or something. And who can forget old-lady smell? And then there's the smell of your lover's natural scent, which is an instant turn on in my case (not his sweat, just his skin).

I identify people by their smell.

I know a few people who I cannot make the bridge into actual friendship with simply because I don't like the way they smell. Not that they smell nasty or anything. They just smell wrong to me.

My husband, on the other hand, smells delicious.

Isn't that like pheromones or something?   It's a real thing.

That is sex, hardwired into our brains.

And here's me thinking I was the only one :)

It's not the 'sweat' kind of smell, just a smell a person has, whether he/she scrubs in the shower three times a day or not.
I can't befriend people whose smell I don't like either, and think my boyfriend has the most fantastic scent in the world.

Might be pheromones, I don't know.

No. It has nothing to do with hygiene.

 My husband smells the way he smells right out of the shower and first thing in the morning (minus the morning sock breath. That is NEVER pleasant) and even after working out. Under the sweat smell is another smell. I can't isolate the smell to determine WHAT it smells like. Just that it smells like him.

I discovered this when I learned why it was so difficult for anyone to sneak up on me. I may not be able to hear you, but I will smell you and be able to identify you that way.

I'm a smoker. I can't smell anything.

:D

Me too, isn't it great?  :lol:

The only advantage to smoking. Others can smell us, but we cannot smell them. I consider this a good thing, unless they are stalking us in the jungle.

*hides safari gear*

o_o

Why are you people in a jungle?!

*continues living in dark room with computer*

Stalking us in L.A. would prove fruitless. I offered that as an option.

People seem to forget that LA is the city that has effectively banned smoking. Those that smoke are a mistreated minority and the subject of intense harassment.

What you meant to say was "Vegas."

85% of British Columbians are non-smokers.

Of tobacco :P


It's probably totally reversed for pot smokers. :P

Portland (Oregon) is smoke-free as well, can't smoke in any public place, and Bowling Green is well on its way (pretty damned progressive for a city in the south)... it annoys the piss out of me. :D

I bet you most of the ppl here have no idea where Bowling Green is, and they're better off for it.

lmao
i would think that it would be better to be a smoker who can simply smoke at home (and not harm people with their smoking) than being...i dunno...pick a minority...gay/lesbian/transgendered where you can get beat up, humiliated, ignored, have limited rights, etc no matter where you go pretty much....or being black some places where the cops beat you simply for being black or arrest you for being "black while driving".....or being mexican and told we dont want you here get out and stay out and if you continue to stay here we won't let you become legal so the only work you can get is dirty work no one else wants to do (and dont even ask for healthcare)
you poor smokers...no matter how hard it might be, at least there's a possibility you can quit being a smoker...its not like you can quit being gay/black/mexican/etc (well...unless you're michael jackson lol)

Depends on which Bowling Green you're talking about. I grew up a few miles north of Bowling Green, Virginia, so I know exactly where it is. I also have visited relatives that live in Bowling Green, Kentucky. So, there again, I know exactly where that Bowling Green is also.

I wouldn't say they're mistreated. They should be bound by air pollution regulations just like everyone else. The rest of us still have to breathe, you know.

Yeah, I have no sympathy for people who are giving themselves lung cancer and are pissy because they can't do the same to the rest of us. Poor mistreated babies.

I am glad smokers are in the minority.  I do not want to breathe that shite, and why should I be forced to?

Everyone should be entitled to clean air and clean water.

I'm a bit offended by the mexican part of your rant, but then again, I'm also american, have an american passport and have as many rights as any of you pureblood gringos... but anyways, it's not like you give a damn, you're probably have mixed races in ya too ;)

and no I'm not starting any kind of pirate debate or riot on the matter, I jsut thought it was funny to mention because the only real americans are the native americans  :lol: anyone else is a hybrid.

I think wicked one was referring to Mexicans as a mistreated minority with a genuine cause to complain, as opposed to smokers who really deserve all the shit they get when they inflict it on others who choose not to smoke.

*edit poo I can't trype*

that would be bowling green, kentucky... ;D

I can proudly say I had no idea where either of those places called Bowling Green were, prior to this.

i'm not sure what crawled up your a** and died but why are you snapping at everyone? whats your problem? all i did was make a statement that had to do with the conversation and you make a nasty comment. there was no reason for that.

I've heard of Fiddler's Green, guess that doesn't count.

Now, back to topic... Peggy smokes? :lol:

Well, in that case, I guess I'm not better off then since I know where it is... :wink:

Erm.

Where's Kentucky? :P

I love your avatar. *pinches and squeezes it*

I guess my avatar would love yours down to the bones.
If he's ever going to move :lol:

From what I've heard she's an ass about her donation files and her meshes tend to look like a hatchet has been taken to the back of your poor sim's head. Hence I've heard her meshing is on crack.

i had the craziest dream! i had a dream i was moving in to a apartment/house type thing that was really ghetto. and a fat curly haired, old lady lived next door. i was in the middle of working on my site (which i dont have lol) and she cameover in spandex and taught me how to mesh! hah! crazy huh? my friends and i laughed really hard when i told them. just thought i'd share :D

Such necromancy. And yes, her site is down-ish due to the earthquake thingy in Taiwan.