PMBD

Has anyone read this forum yet? Or what their intended goal is? Im there reading it now & im laughing so hard i almost peed my pants :lol:

This is a quote from Greg from sims host. Notice the part i put in bold.



So we are a theft ring who are holding millions of dollars in stolen property now? ROFLMAO You know he's referring  to PMBD. I didnt realize that all these pixels were worth millions :shock: Besides i thought they werent into creating for monies. Its for bandwidth i tell you! Bandwidth! :lol:

This just makes me laugh. If you are all interested in reading more you can find the site here @:

http://z11.invisionfree.com/SaveTheSimsCommunity/index.php?act=idx

& heres the direct link to the post made by Greg

http://z11.invisionfree.com/SaveTheSimsCommunity/index.php?showtopic=12

All our favorite people are there. Greg, MIKEY!, Mal, NeptuneSuzy & more. Dont forget to read Mals Our Goal - To Save The Sims Community Post filled with all kinds of BULLSHIT.

Tee-hee.



Does Greg stay up late thinking about this?  Poor guy, taking a video game so seriously.

ETA: Oh shit, wait a minute.



Am I part of the Sims 2 Mafia now?  Can I dress my self-Sim in a spiffy suit and swanky hat?

There even bringing up the past crap with Delphy & his arrest on whatever charges he was charged with ages ago & calling it Proofs of Pedophelia.

Boy cant people let a dead horse ly already (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v451/Witchboy/Smileys%20Ect/deadhorse.gif)

Greg is also taking about how were all going to be charged with theft & sent to prison :lol:

Who wants to be my prison Biatch?!!? (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v451/Witchboy/Smileys%20Ect/bouncy.gif)

All buy you for a couple of ciggies (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v451/Witchboy/Smileys%20Ect/5437.gif)

I believe this was already commented on in one of the threads here, but, I am too lazy to go looking.

Greg is a real asshat that thinks he is the shit.  He blows hot air everytime he speaks on this subject.  What a loser.

Greg is complaining about Paysites stealing EA's property and selling it  :shock:
Or didn't I get it right?  :roll:

Ensign EO yes you are a part of the Pixel Mafia. Dress your simmie anyway you like. He will soon be wearing prison garb in Gregs Pixel Prison. Oh & i want to thank you for all your Wonderful sims found in your sig :) I grabbed them all.

Gwen hes complaining about us stealing paysites pixels that are supposedly worth millions of dollars & they have proof.

Were all going to the pokie! Im a Skeeeeerd! :lol:

No, he's complaining about PMBD.

:lol:  oh man!!  :lol: They need to invite Jan and Openhouse Jack and the crazy club will be complete..

I remember a very wise woman talking a few years ago about the number of times people have said "well, sue me" in the community and it's never happened. She said she came to the conclusion that there wasn't a legal grounds.

Greg, if you're reading this (I forget if this is the visible or invisible part of the forum) hun, the thing that will save the Sims community is if you lot stop being money-grubbing mongrels and do it just for fun like the rest of us..

 :lol: Thank you whoever posted this, I'm still giggling.. :lol:

thankyou for the entertaining read of the new forum. Hawkgirl already checked with the FBI this morning and as she posted this is not what that site is about. Actually, this site is more for people that have had scams with phishing emails, fraud orders on your credit card like Amazon.com. I know personally. The police department recommended it to me when a fraud order was done though Amazon on my CC. He said its like you go there give them all the details, they build a database and try to look for pattens to catch the scam artist.

Anyone read the post about MTS2 called "I paid for my site out of pocket for months"

http://z11.invisionfree.com/SaveTheSimsCommunity/index.php?showtopic=1

They have screenshots up showing how much delphy has made in supposed pocket money from MTS2 4 months before TS2 was released & are basicaly calling him a liar.

No this is about PMBD & file theft believe me. Read the entire thread here @

http://z11.invisionfree.com/SaveTheSimsCommunity/index.php?showtopic=12

In the thread Neptune Suzy posted


Skarlett posted


Its all about us.

Looking at all the "Calalily fangirl" sigs - I will have a harem of prison bitches.  :lol: I will be lesbi-king of the prison. Calalily FTW!

I read that forum before I read here.  Nothing new.  And when the ICCC gets on top of that, I will be talking to some of the criminologists I work with, about the joint Virtual Taskforce's new "Prevent Online Child Exploitation" - and how they're wasting resources in the sims war.

Calalily i wanna be your Prison Biatch! :lol:

Lesbi-king... :lol:  you crack me up.

No its not complete till they have Atwa and Thomas and their sheeple in toe.

I'll be shaving my head, and preparing the cigarette cache in anticipation for the multimillion dollar theft charges.  :D

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v451/Witchboy/Smileys%20Ect/roflgif3nfzy8.gif) You just made me pee my pants! Now beat me like the Biatch that i am (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v451/Witchboy/Smileys%20Ect/1_4_1261.gif)

Look its Super Greg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v451/Witchboy/Smileys%20Ect/weinerman.gif) out to save the sims community :lol:

:D ROFL WB thats funny particularly super Greg.

Calla you can shave your hair..Im not! No wont allow em to take my locks till the drag us off.

Well I have a tattoo, so I need the full complimentary style of the prison lesbi-king.  I'll be weightlifting in the next couple of days so I can defend my bitches if any butch bitch tries to take them.

I will also be cutting all the sleeves off my clothes, and figuring out where to fit the dildo collection to smuggle in.  :lol:

Seriously though - this is ludicrous - imagine the headlines.

"Sims War: EA does nothing" - *yeah right*.  EA is gonna really appreciate 3000+ of its customer base on criminal charges.  If we can't make them make a definitive statement at least that will.  :D

What the hell is Mikey on?



Whut???



Cala, even if you shave your head, you must leave the mouth hairs intact. How else will I ever recognize you in the prison?

Heres a copy of Hawk Girl's post from the other thread...I think the FBI's reation was predictable:
Ok spoke to the FBI this morning they passed me off three times, I think they thought I was crazy. lol No they will not do anything for that website. They wouldn't even do anything if it was EA for a graphic, they'd have to take it to court. What could they prosecute on? Sharing a non-copywritten image that EA owns copyright too, but doesn't care it's being shared, because that's what they intended to be done with CC? I said well I knew better, but wanted to call anyway because not everyone lives here in the US and it will make them feel better. So there you have it, nothing can be done from the FBI.

Thanks for the laughter on the today's day

(http://www.smilies-smilies.de/smilies/lustige_smilies/hehehe.gif) (http://www.snukk.de)

Hey maybe we will switch from pirates to mobsters now. I'm kinda into all that stuff...

That was funny. Them peoples have no life.

I think it's funny how they mention us, without mentioning us...  :lol:


(http://www.catwack.com/pics/725.jpg)

I already called the FBI about this, it's in the Arr? post about threats. They passed me off three times and I know they were laughing at me. They even had me talk to the agent at the crime center. They will not prosecute this, first they have to prove they have copyright. Which they do not, EA does. Nor can they get copyright protection on CC. Second even they said they can't get copyright on Custom Content created for a game unless EA gives them the right to share in the Copyright which they will not. So now we have it from two sources the US Copyright Office and the FBI and I was made a fool for even calling them to ask because I already knew better, but did so anyway.

You should post this in the thread. It will get deleted, but their reactions would be amusing.  :lol:

I'm actually thinking that people who got banned from TSR should file a complaint via that ICCC site. After all, they scammed you out of your money and then banned you.

(http://paysites.mustbedestroyed.org/hugemanatee.jpg)

lets face it folks, Mikey and thems frustrated. They are running out of options, kind of like grasping at straws here. If I was really serious about getting "the pirates", I'd get a consultation visit which is ussually free with a copyright lawyer. SOO you can say their frustrated and in denial! So how deeps the Nile :twisted: !

Heh. So thats where you have been Inge...

In case any one is wondering, the Admin there who calls herself GreyGoose I strongly think is dear Inge...stuff she says in this thread http://z11.invisionfree.com/SaveTheSimsCommunity/index.php?showtopic=2 is also the same that she said at S2C.

 :roll:

WB, you should have posted this in the ARR? area, dont want to give them any publicity.

Don't forget Janmoo/Jan/Charlotte/Bev/Sybil.

They should have called it:

"Waaah I wanna fool people without hindrance!"

Ich halte es nicht für unwahrscheinlich, dass das FBI eine Spezialeinheit für die SIMS einrichtet. In diesem speziellen Fall werden wahrscheinlich Scully und Mulder ermitteln.


I do not hold it for improbable that the FBI forms a special department for the SIMS . In this special case Scully and Mulder will probably determine.
(Copy by Taroo/Tarox)

 :D  :D  :D  :D  :D

I believe it is Inge, Thomas, and Greg as well, and look here now they are back and saying Delphy was removed from the BBS because of child porn and Nouk's letters from EA were photoshopped.

http://z11.invisionfree.com/SaveTheSimsCommunity/index.php?showtopic=20

I edited this post I don't want to give them any heads up on what was said back and forth between, the evidence that changed hands between us and EA. But I will call them tomorrow and let them know I have changed my mind.

Is it just me, or does anyone else get the sudden inexplicable urge to have a rum orgy?  :D

They are even accusing Echo of being a plant.  I say let them do what they want and have all these agencies laugh at them.

*sigh* Next they will be saying that you talking with EA is a load of bullshit.  :roll:

Meh. Know I know that I shouldnt ask, as as soon as I do ask he will immediately not do it - but Pes could you please move this to ARR? ? I dont think we should give them any publicity whatsoever.

I edited my post, I even asked SparklePlenty to edit her's so we don't give them any heads up on that, and then you post it. lol They can say what they want to about mine I found two in email so far. Mine came in Email, not on tech support, so I have proof where mine came from. I removed the name :) No more heads up.

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Greetings,

Thank you for contacting Electronic Arts.

Thank you for taking the time to write and help us with this issue. I appreciate your dedication to us and helping us root out the bad seeds. Please take your time in getting me the information. I look forward to your reply.

This was the first one.

Teh. I am very disappointed in Inge. I always supported FFFS, and there were a lot of people who did the same. I read about it here, and even though people here did not think much of it, I went and joined anyway and regularly took part in the discussions there. I offered a lot of kind words to her when she was feeling down about it. And then she goes and shuts down the whole thing just because there was a slight tiff here  :roll: And then goes and takes part in that site. Bah humbug Inge, bah humbug.

LOL Di, sorry hun! Do you want me to go back and edit my post at all? Meh every single thing that you have publicly said here, and privately to me in PMs here and at Insim have only strengthened (is that a real word?! =/) what I already believe - EA do not give a damn about it all, they just dont want to be involved and for us (not the PMBD 'us' but as in the whole simming community) to sort it out. Whereas Maxis, and good old hippie Will Wright, really do not like paysites and want this all sorted.

:)

Nah just leave it, I can't believe what they are saying about Echo, Nouk and Delphy. Let them have their little fun, they're trying to get our goats, and were not going to let them. I'm gonna call Maxis tomorrow and tell Will to take a look at that site, and what this has caused by him not doing something sooner. Who is the real person behind that thread and who all the players are. To please go and read all their posts one at a time. I'm also going to call EA and give them that site, to go and read how they are now claiming to have copyright over their own CC. Quite frankly my dear JoJoba I don't give a rats arse if they believe my posts/emails, I don't have to prove a thing to these people. ;) I won't post any more of the correspondence I had with them, why should we let them in our circle? I think the only other person that has seen all the corresponce I have had with them is Hec. I believe I forwarded everything to her, and she's not going to tell them what all was said, all anyone else knows about is all the evidence we gathered and bits and pieces of it all.

Let's just cross our finger's that this sends EA over the edge, and the patience they've shown is cut off.

Do we know for sure it is Inge or someone who took her posts and is using them?

OK. Greg is starting to scare me, but not in the way he intends.

The guy is starting to act like he is truly unhinged.

Let me get this straight. The ICCC has primarily been formed to handle credit card scams, identity theft, hacking attempts and phishing schemes, among other crimes. They, like most agencies, have limited staff and a limited budget.

Now they are expected to step away from pursuing credit card scammers and phishing con-artists, and prosecute someone who posts files that are of debatable copyright on a website? Even those files that openly use Disney and other corporate logos and charge people to use them, thus violating corporate copyrights? Even those who don't file their income with the IRS? (And while I think Neptune Suzy mentioned something about a $500 limit, my accountant told us that it is a wise idea to file ALL sources of income if we don't want to run any risk of running afoul of the IRS. We were even told to list the $100 we got from EBay sales!)

I guess the people at ICCC must have so few credit card scammers and phishers to pursue that they are foaming at the mouth to track the IP numbers of thousands of downloaders around the world (and there are hundreds, if not thousands, who are not registered and download from the booty). Oh, and the one organization who might actually BE of use in their case ... EA ... has stated per their EULA that the sites are not to be used for commercial use, and has sat on the fence regarding paysites.

Are all these paysites (US ones, anyway) ready to open their books to hungry IRS agents and state income tax agents (and I can tell you from bitter experience .... if a federal or state tax agent senses there is money to be had from you, they WILL hound you, whether you actually owe or not, until the issue is resolved)? Are they willing to deal with copyright notifications from Disney, et. al, since I am am not exactly convinced that Disney told a site to go ahead and use their copyrighted images and sell them? And that would be only a couple of the expenses they could expect ...

If anyone is dividing the Sims Community, it's paysites, which is why the Save the Sims Community title is such an oxymoron. And what is so sad is that with just a bit of creativity and know-how, sites wanting money can avoid this, yet still collect funds for ... whatever. They could use the money for whatever they wish. Everyone can win. This sniping and ill will and hatred is 100% preventable. And I actually find that very, very sad.

Yup! Well let me know what happens from that...drop me a PM here...actually Insim is better, my inbox is getting full all the moment and I dont notice and forget to clear it out  :oops: Woops!

But if, as you put it, this sends EA over the edge, what would they actually do?! They arent going to start sueing paysites...too many of them now.  :?  Maybe small changes...like remove paysites off the official fan listings. Meh I doubt they will do anthing, big multi national companies only care about money and making sure it keeps coming.

Tomato - yeh, it might not be Inge...but it really looks like it is her to me =/ It could be someone taking her posts, but they are taking her exact words and adding to them and elaborating the points. In the link I posted, in bold is the anti pay point, and in normal text is criticising it - I immediately recognised one of them as being from S2C, so went and lookedm and the anti pay point is at s2c, with a reply from Inge..and then at this site thingy there are her same words just with more added. Did that make sense?! I am quite tired today lol. Sorry if it didnt :)

Well, I hope it's not Inge. I will lose respect for her if it is. I remain suspicious but not positive.  :(

I am not a fan of Delphy, but if anyone has evidence that he is currently involved in inappropriate activities with underage girls, he needs to be reported to the authorities, not gossiped about in some obscure forum.  :roll:  He never has been open about how much money he takes in and spends, that's one reason why I no longer donate to MTS2. It has no relevance to the paysite issue though. Funny how Nouk's screenshots are fakes, but theirs regarding Delphy's finances are not.  :roll:

It looks like Inge to me as well. Frankly, I'm not surprised.



Everyone in the library is giving me dirty looks now. Thanks for this.  :lol:

The thing that cracks me up the most is this insistence that we have "stolen" merchandise - how then do you explain the THOUSANDS* of dollars our donators have spent filling it up? Blood money? "Espenses"?

We SHARE files. We don't steal 'em.

*SimFreaks alone, we figured, costs close to $3000 to get everything...which we have, btw.


Isn't Greg the one who did that graphic accsing us of taking food out of the mouths of the poor chilluns? Crackpots, one and all.

Ah, thank you for reminding me how much I really, really like Tarox. :)

This is what puzzles me.

A relative of mine had a problem with a contractor not performing according to contract. You could SEE that the contractor did not perform according to contract. You could see that certain terms in the contract were violated. This was in black and white ... no grayness whatsoever. The work was not only shoddy ... it made the building dangerous to operate a business in. (The work was performed on a business property.)

Yes, the relative filed a complaint with the BBB. That was easy. But to get her complaint resolved, she had to spend years and years of litigation and a WHOLE lot of money, even in 70's dollars (this happened back in the 70's) to get this done. Oh, and out of her own pocket. She wound up losing money, anyway. She did get enough back to hire another contractor to fix the problem, but couldn't touch the building for years.

This issue caused her family to live under the poverty limit for years as the costs drained their budget severely. The contractor counter-sued and threatened them with not only legal action, but with actual harm. In the meantime, she had no privacy. The papers recorded the court dates. She had to reveal sensitive financial data to prove her case. The business, of course, suffered. The family suffered.

Maybe that's why telling paysite owners "well, just file a complaint, and all will be well" business irks me. Filing a legal claim is not that easy at all. It is costly and will drain your emotional resources ... and that's even if the ICCC will act on their behalf, which it looks like it may not. And my relative actually HAD a solid case. This paysite case is not at all solid.

But what do I know, I guess?

OH I have never been a criminal before! I'm so excited! Can I get a pink or black prison uniform? Orange just does not suit my coloring.






I am afraid you are right. We shall all be lined up waiting for your affection.








RUM ORGY!






I'm not surprised at all. Inge was heading that way. She likes attention and we gave her none, so she flipped over to the other side.









Really though all of this just makes me shake my head and wonder about the sanity of people.

Nnah.......SEE...............Yeah, copp-ah.......you'll never take me alive, SEE

*Think James Cagney playing a gangster*


Well, mafia wise.........um....I MIGHT have Sicillian Mafia blood on my fathers side.......No shit.........and I do have IRA blood on my mothers side.......


SAY HELLO TO MY LITTLE SIM-FRIEND!

Lordy, those fuckers are past grasping at straws........

Has anybody thought to contact EA about that horseshit site? Whether to get thir opinion, or what have you?

My thoughts exactly! And there were only 2 parties your this case, your relative and the contractor.

Even if the paysites had a solid case (which they don't), the problem would be where to sue Pes & co. In the US? Is Pescado even a US citizen? The server is in Malaysia. Which legislation system would be used in this case? Malaysian, US, or whichever country Pescado is residing?

Let's take TSR as an example: Even though TSR is based in Sweden, they cannot sue Pes under the Swedish juridical system, since the alleged crime did not happen in Sweden but in Malaysia. If Pes is an US citizen, they'd have to sue him in the US and probably in Malaysia too, to get the CC off the server.

I just do not see that happening.

And if they'd want to sue all the people who had downloaded from the booty or just those who have shared files... Well, good luck with that. :roll:

I don't think it's Inge.  She's punctilious about her grammar and spelling, and there are mistakes in that first post, which is all I've read so far.  (Unless she's deliberately trying to throw people off). :wink:

I read through all the posts and I must say I am not impressed.  
1) I mean, how anyone can take a site seriously when you post this as the first (and only as I didn’t see any others) rule:

http://z11.invisionfree.com/SaveTheSimsCommunity/index.php?showtopic=4

I really don’t care if this is supposed by funny or not.  “We are not amused.”

2) The fact that this is called a forum is laughable.  By definition a forum is a public meeting or assembly for open discussion.  I saw no open discussion, only one-sided rants, half-truths, misinterpretations.

3) Aside from all the misrepresentations I saw on the site, they should at least get their basic information straight concerning the IC3.  I saw comments like “I didn’t know this site existed,”  “it’s only been around a few months,” etc.  Well, if these pay site owners were all so gung-ho about their intellectual copyrights and had done any kind of research on the matter, they would have known that the Internet Fraud Complaint Center changed its name and scope to the Internet Crime Complaint Center in 2003.  It’s been around for years.

4) They had no problem with posting some financial information for MTS2, but how many of them would put their own information up for public display?  Oh, wait—see point 2 above.

Just my two cents.

Heh, you know no one.  Lol, that's right.  I went there and read that crazy crazy rant, and then went into the one forum http://z11.invisionfree.com/SaveTheSimsCommunity/index.php?showtopic=15 to look around that was all talking about what to do if you are approached by the "other side" or some equally ridiculous title.  

It had one of the offer letters, to help someone go free, and then underneath it their advice on how to handle it:

"I think it is important to politely respond to this type of "approach" but be more than careful about what information you give them. For it would be to easy for them, given enough information, to figure out what we are making." Shades of Silver

Heh.  How dare MTS2 not give them full and complete access to all of their finances!!  DONT GIVE THE PIRATES ANY ANSWERS ABOUT OUR CASH MONEYS!!!

What pisses me off about this bunch of morons is how they claim they want to "Save the Sims Community" and then post a load of crap about Delphy being a pervert. Surely closing down MTS2 wouldn't help at all to save the community? :?
EDIT: Sory if someone already mentioned this, I'm really tired and only skimmed through the thread. :roll:

Maybe they think MTS2 is one of the free sites with a god complex?



If anyone understand what he's talking about, please explain, since I sure as hell don't.

Inge Jones wanted famous. It created FFSS. It only showed URL from free sides. No own work 8) . Now she hopes for still more admittingness with the Payfreaks
 :twisted:  :D

I hadn't realised anyone at MTS2 had a God complex. :shock: I think MIKEY (why is his name all in capitals?!) needs a lobotomy, quickly. :P

It doesn't sound like Inge to me. It's too blatant and confrontational. Also, I'm pretty sure she's made, or come close to making, some of the arguments that post attempts (and fails miserably) to refute. Also, "It's funny that those who complain about paysites have yet to pick up some modding tools and try to create items themselves" -- Inge's not that stupid. In fact, Inge's not stupid at all, whatever else she may be, and the poster is stupid with a level of stupidity only a greedy, rabid, whorish paysite owner could possibly reach.

The posting style does, however, seem familiar, like I've read it somewhere before but never bothered trying to communicate with the poster...

Hm. HChangeri?

Someone on there is definitely LyricLee, of course. The weird obsession with Delphy's purported sexual proclivities shows that much.

Roxelane, you are absolutely correct. Inge wants to be famous. The FFFSS was all about her, but when people weren't buying it, she wandered over to the Dark Side. When she was running the FFFSS she was full of animosity and bitterness toward NeptuneSuzy. Now they are BFFs. Go figure.

MIKEY!! is a moron. Simple as that.  (I picture him in his mom's basement, fat, greasy hair, eating pork rinds and drinking Dr. Pepper, typing away and looking at naked sims and beating off, late into the night.)

What all of them fail to realize is that if this site closed tomorrow, it would be no skin off of anyone's nose. We would go someplace else to talk, and the files would still be shared. On the other hand, if THEY had to close their sites tomorrow, they might be losing a source of tax-free income they have come to enjoy. Their threats have no weight behind them. Doofuses.

Greygoose could be Inge, but we don't have any real evidence. I'm hesitant to accuse her without it.

The site is beyond pathetic. Last time I checked they had a whole 30 members.

So Greg is the new "Jan". There were warning signs earlier. I'm picturing a demented there's-no-such-thing-as-global-warming-and-if-it's-free-it-must-be-the-work-communists type lunatic. Dedicated, but not very bright.

That's my assessment, but I'm starting to believe we need to work with a profiler to get a handle on some of these creeps.

Oh they are so full of shit. Tar and feather all the bastards. :evil:

That's because you have to be "invited" by someone who is already a member there and THEN you have to be approved by the Admin. (ROLF!) I seriously doubt any of us are gonna be invited.  :roll: We wouldn't follow the party line so they don't want us.  :cry:

I agree, Red.  I hate to accuse anyone without proof, not speculation, but proof.

If they want to shut down MTS2, they are shooting themselves in the foot.  Who are the modders who came up with most of the modding tools to make CC possible? Those at MTS2 (and I understand the argument that someone else might have done it if Numenor et al. didn't but the fact remains that they did do it).  While Qaxi did SimPE, he did it with help from Delphy, Numenor, and others who primarily are at MTS2.  They hate the very people who make their business possible.  

These people have gone off the deep end.  Let's tie some rocks to their feet.  

BTW, are we sure Thomas is on there?  I think I saw someone mention they saw him.

Thomas? At least he is in the members list:
http://z11.invisionfree.com/SaveTheSimsCommunity/index.php?act=Members

But he hasn't posted,yet. And what does Solander do there. Isn't he a freesite owner? He is very pro-pay in his German Simforum though!

That was priceless!  Thanks for the laugh, SparklePlenty!  :lol: However I need brain bleach to get that picture out of my mind.

These losers have never shown any interest in the community other than what they can squeeze out of it. (tools, cash, ect.). NeptuneSuzy's previous talk about bating simmers in order to get them to sign up for a TSR subscription, shows exactly how much that two-faced bitch cares about community. These people have NO integrity. They're a JOKE.

I saw someone named Lyric on there. Is it our old friend LL or do these people just have a serious case of Janitis? Oh Jeebus call the looney we gots an extra shipment for them today.

From the looks of the member list, most of the TSR FAs are on there, as well as Mikey and Greg, who, as usual, want to discuss nakedness.

I just threw up a little in my mouth - and it's your fault.



Colour me unsurprised.

They think if they shut Delphy down all those people are going to run to TSR and Greg's paysites and they'll make money because those members will have to go somewhere. That's all it is, they apparently are loosing money, members are leaving. Why else would they be trying to figure out ways to trick people into taking out a subscription?

I'm surprised that no one has commented on GreyGoose's thread about this..

(http://www.modyourpanties.com/hosting/070824173445-justthefacts.jpg)

Just the facts--really?  Since when have opinions been fact?  In that case I think I should have all the world's jewels and that everyone should bow to me. :lol:

Oh and this..

(http://www.modyourpanties.com/hosting/070824174135-advocating.jpg)

Yeah, yeah, they still don't understand everything in the booty was paid for and then it's shared.  It's not theft.  :roll:  However, to say we advocate hatred is really over the top and laughable because it's so absurd but still offensive.  How far they will go to rationalize what they're doing and feel better about themselves is astounding.

Overall, it certainly reads like Inge.  If it quacks like one, waddles like one..

I haven't been around in a little while, and I am surprised so many people think GreyGoose's opinions sound like Inge's. Did she become a total whacko nutjob in the past few months or something?

I still don't think it's Inge because of the quote I previously posted. Inge knows for a fact that the most talented and prolific modders and creators all share all (or almost all -- I'm looking at you, Holy Simoly) their stuff for free. I just can't see her blatantly lying like that. The Inge I remember was far more subtle.

Oi!  Do you mind?  I am not a duck!    :o

The fact that they are so selective about admission to their angry little circle jerk says volumes and relegates them to the 'only tell us what we want to hear' category.

Wonder how many of their members have slipped in to take a slice of the Booty pie for themselves.

Inge, you quack me up.

What?! All this time I thought you were a duck Inge! Lies after lies after deceit after lies!  :wink:  :lol:

So is the 'GreyGoose' you or not Inge? If not I greatly apologise and offer vast amounts of tea for you to drink and quorn for you to eat :)

Somehow I don't think Inge would hide her identity, since she has  openlyexpressed her feelings, and don't you think they would be leary of her. She would sign in as herself like Lyriclee, she strikes me as that type. seriously maybe this character with the xxed eyes is Thomas, Atwa, or some other creator. Who knows?

The fact that Thomas has joined says volumes. He's getting desperate. Probaly has found out from lawyers and all, he's the lawbreaker.

I copied this from somewhere on one of the links that was posted back:

Grey Goose:

I don't think anyone ever confirmed the emails as being in fact truth. This is one of the problems with screenies, they can always be photoshopped so they can never be proven to be true.

Personally I try to stay away frm screen shots when trying to prove a point to those who disagree with me.

I think it's better if a person can provide a link to a statement/article etc on an official site (such as EA's site, any other legitimate site), then the statement/article etc is obviously being made by EA in this case, or backed up by some other legitimate agency. I prefer this method.

:)

Greg:
Has anyone ever confirmed that the email notes cited the anonymous "Nouk" are not simply pure fiction?

I find it odd that only one person would have ever received such a note from an employee of Electronic Arts.
:blink:

Geesh looking at this they probaby would not believe a cease and desist order from EA if they were sent one. They'd be suspicious of that too.

Had to step out.

So, has the League of Evil Simmers stated their demands yet? One million dollars or they send atwat to attack Tokyo?

Ok I called EA and gave them the link to website and what was being said on it, and they are going to look and want to call me back. Wonder if I should hold my breath? ;)

I think it's smoke and mirrors.  Greygoose I think is that guy from M&M's site that posted on S2C.  But, meh, I could really care less.

Naw, just swig yer rum till they do call back.......

ROFLMAO! Now thats an image i cant get outta my head! Snarky, you made me laugh so hard i almost blew Cherry Coke all over my monitor LOL

It's not a nice feeling when it comes out your nose :lol:

Wait, I thought it was Neptune Suzy who said this? Lemme check......

Yea, she did. I remembered cuz I laughed my ass off seeing as how she was brought down at S2C from the "bait and switch" screenshot.  :D

I was reading the site...If you compare the dialogue  here and in other paysite debates. Their posts just sound so pitiful over there. A lot of it is emotionalism.

1. They do not show any paperwork (because they cant) validating their copyright claims.

2. Any letters directly from EA or licenses endorsing the validty of their claims, cause there was none!

3. On the screen shot attacks, they go after Delphy. Where do I begin they pull out two links. One to Delphy's personal site. I saw nothing to do with Porno there. Also they use these fabricated Paypal screens. I have paypal and I found these screens and charges questionable. However if you have ever went through EA tech, there is nothing questionable about Nouks screen shots they are real. I even got the same people she did answering the questions. (Why aren't they pestering EA if their case is so right and showing us their conversations with EA---flat DENIAL)

4. Mikey was telling us Im going to go free release my stuff from booty. Meanwhile they had activated this forum with their real intention.

5. Also they complain about the Dialogue with Echo, where Echo said he'd see if he could help them hosting so they could make their downloads free. There are so many sites offering to host these pay site folks, they really have no excuse EXCEPT its all about the money honey.

Would the "Digital Millennium Copyright Act" be an appropriate factor in how paysites are actually ileagal?

I read here @:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DMCA

& the point about exemptions for programs & games is:



Seeing as the sims 2 is not obsolete, paysites cannot make a claim on ownership or copyright. Am i right in thinking this or am i missing the point LOL

That whole site makes my head hurt from the combined forces of stupidity and greed.

Oy.

I had to stop browsing when I got to the thread demanding mandatory female member nudity. WTF? Lame. *eyeroll*

I love how they have that thread at the same time they're getting hysterical about a bunch of supposedly eeeevil stuff about Delphy. It makes their real reasons for being so obsessed with Delphy's hormones even more obvious.

Blech, now I'm nauseous.

Oppossed to trying to retype my disgust since Bionix was kind enough to post about this bullshit here are my two-cents http://www.insimenator.net/showthread.php?p=898844#post898844

Mittlerweile haben ja nun einige diesen Thread durchgelesen und wissen nun erst einmal worum es geht. Da wurde also ein Forum gegründet zum Schutze der Community. Eine Allianz der besonderen Art – Geier und Möwen -. die einen heulen und stampfen mit Füßen, weil ihnen die Geldquellen entschwinden, die anderen hocken mit zur Faust geballtem Gesicht vor dem PC und flüstern wie eine Geisterbeschwörung „MEINE, MEINE, MEINE........ Ihre Strategie ist recht primitiv aber nicht ohne Aussicht auf Erfolg. Das zeigt das RL s. IRAK-Krieg, Einschüchterung klappt meist, weil eine der lästigen Eigenschaften vieler Menschen die Feigheit ist. Man muss keine Rechtsgrundlage haben, keine Beweise – es reicht aus, einfach zu behaupten man habe dieses Recht und genügend Schafe blöken jaaaaaaaaa. Bushkrieger allesamt. Sie schwafeln vom FBI und anderen Institutionen, den Weg zu gehen, ihre Rechte auf Verkauf und Copyright bei den dafür zuständigen Stellen einzufordern, sind sie offenbar zu feige. Er würde auch nicht viel bringen, außer enorme Kosten und ein jähes Ende ihres Traumes. Schaut auch mal die Mitgliederliste dieses Forums an, vielleicht findet ihr ja ein paar Bekannte. Die Retter der Community sind also auf dem Kriegspfad, um uns allen den Frieden und eine schönere Community zu bringen. Und wir sollten uns schämen, denn wir sind wahrscheinlich die Achse des Bösen
Auch Thomas von TSR ist dort Mitglied. Er ist kein Ersteller, er ist lediglich ein Mann, der es verstanden hat, genug einfältige Leute zu gewinnen, die für ein Butterbrot und ein Ei massenweise Files auf TSR hochpumpen und ihm damit einen bombastischen Gewinn verschaffen. Und so sieht es ja dort oben auch aus. Tausende von Files - das meiste Schrott - eine Handvoll Files, die Qualität besitzen. Nun, auf alle Fälle lernt man sich innerhalb der Allianz besser kennen und ich frage mich, wie lange wird es dauern, bis Solander sich entscheidet, ein vollwertiges Mitglied dieser "Community" zu werden und seine Seite auf Pay umstellt.

 Edit:

Mal für die nicht amerikanischen Mitglieder in diesem Heilsbringerforum, FBI ist glaub ich nicht zuständig, da würde ich INTERPOL empfehlen. Da die ganze Angelegenheit sehr hochkarätig ist, blieben dann noch die jeweiligen Geheimdienste der Herkunftsländer der einzelnen Ersteller. Also, Jungs und Mädels, gebt nicht auf, wenn alle Stricke reißen bleiben noch die Regierungsoberhäupter oder die UNO :shock: .

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Meanwhile now some this Thread read and to know now only once for which it goes. There thus a forum based for the protection of the Community. An alliance of the special kind - vultures and sea gulls -. the one howl and trample with feet, because the pecuniary resources disappear from them, which squat others also to the fist clenched face before the PC and whisper like a magic formula
 "MY, MY, MY........ Their strategy is quite primitively however not without chance for success. That shows the RL s. Iraq war, intimidation folds usually, because one of the annoying characteristics of many humans is the cowardice. One must not have a legal basis, no proofs - it is sufficient, simply to state one is this right and sufficient sheep bloeken jaaaaaaaaa. Srapswar all together. They call of the FBI and other institutions to go the way to call their rights in to sales and copyright with the authorities competent for it are them obviously too cowardly. It would not bring also much, except enormous costs and a sudden end of its dream. Also times the membership list of this forum looks at, perhaps finds it a few acquaintance. The rescuers of the Community are thus on the war path, in order to bring us everything the peace and a more beautiful Community. And we should be ashamed, because we are probably the axle of the bad. Also Thomas of TSR are there member. He is not a creator, he is only a man, who understood it to win enough stupid people which provide massive files on TSR inflation and it for butter bread and an egg thereby a enormous profit. And in such a way it looks also there above. Thousands of files - most scrap iron - a handful of files, the quality possess. Now, in any case one becomes acquainted with itself within the alliance better and I ask myself, how long it will last, until Solander decides itself to become an adequate member of these "Community" and its side on Pay surrounded.

Edit: Times for the not American members in this Heilsbringerforum, FBI is believes. I there I INTERPOL would not responsibly, recommend. Since the whole affair is very importantly , then still the respective secret services of the countries of origin of the individual creators remained. Thus, young and girls up, do not give, if all cords remain tearing still the government heads or the UN.
 8)  :evil:

If I deny being whoever it is, anyone who wants to believe I am is just going to say "well you would deny it wouldn't you?" so what's the point?  Any of us could have sock puppets anywhere - some of which might have been around long enough for people to think they are genuine individual friends.  People could be anyone on the internet - it's something that has to be born in mind.

Anyway right now I am more worried about the fact MTS2 isn't resolving and I have an outstanding question on there about reshaping bath water. Until I get some help I won't be able to finish my "roman" bath.  So I shall be very cross indeed if these people have actually managed to kill MTS2!   :evil:

I love your posts and the way you word things, just tickles me. lol I don't mean it in a bad way, my mother in law was from Germany and she learned to speak English in Oklahoma of all places, the way she would word things. Some of her little sayings and expressions. Stubborn woman! She would have made a great pirate. No way would she be sitting here typing like me, she'd have been at EA's offices by now, demanding she be heard out. I have a feeling if this keeps up, that's just what I will have to do, and go by Maxis while I am there. I get nice little memories whenever I read your posts. :)

I so agree - the legal remedies for them are so expensive - but at least the money they make will go to line the pockets of lawyers - who desperately need their cash  :lol:

@HawkGirl

Yes, good idea, I should by-look also times with EA and strike the fist on the table :evil:  :D

Roxelane wrote:  I have asked myself the very same question since I saw Solander's name on their member list. :lol:

Secondly,  it is worrying that someone over there is cutting and pasting Inge's words and using them as their own to further some bizarre agenda. :?

Also:  I wonder why they have not bothered to ask EA themselves, if they don't believe the responses others have gotten. No, I don't wonder at all. They are afraid of the answer they know they would get.  :P

All in all, I believe that the average simmer just wants stuff, and really just wants stuff for free.  :lol:

Those who SWEAR that they HAVE to keep paying Peggy and Rose for hair and TSR for Maxis recolors either are trying to buy "friends" on the internet (you can tell that by the very existence of the forum we are talking about and reading the "kudos" on TSR) or they have yet to find a source for file sharing.  :wink:  (It is our job to help them find a source, isn't it?)

Those people are just sad, lonely, frustrated people. And a couple of them are true nut cases. But you would have to be extremely sad and lonely to voluntarily hook up with nutcases like Greg and Jan/Charlotte/Bev/Sybil, wouldn't you? They need to realize that all of this is about a fucking game. And go out and mingle with some actual people. Sheesh.  :roll:

Who is Jan?

Jan of http://www.mainstsims.com - another thread here.

Read all about Jan/Janmoo/Bev/Charlotte Mahony here: http://phorum.mustnotbenamed.com/viewtopic.php?t=1085&start=0

@calalily (http://www.smilies-smilies.de/smilies/freundschaft_smilies/fordaniandme.gif) (http://www.snukk.de)
@SparklePlenty(http://www.smilies-smilies.de/smilies/freundschaft_smilies/fordaniandme.gif) (http://www.snukk.de)

Thank you

I'm confident that greygoose isn't Inge. Are we sure that Solander is Solander over there? He strikes me as classier than that bunch, of course most trailer park residents are classier than that bunch.

If Solander is not Solander, he will surely protest. 8)

Is it me or have they hidden the members list? I can only see Admin and users who are in the stage of being validated.



Well he did help to trigger Numenor's hissy fit and said he considers Thomas a friend here (http://phorum.mustnotbenamed.com/viewtopic.php?t=1042&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=135) but I try to not judge people by the company they keep. So it will be interesting to see his future actions.

Nope.  They hid it.  It was visible to me yesterday.

ETA: Minolia, I adore your avatar!

Something else I wondered about. A smart forum owner would have hidden everything while creating the forum. Doofuses.

You are right.  Guess who (I've taken a screenshot incase they hide it).

http://www.mandmneedfulthings.ca/Forum/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=23458

Hover over "send email" to find out the secret identity.  

Not behind the smear campaign my arse.

Wouldn't surprise me in the least. Solander seems to be flaking out. Over in the thread where Numenor's pay item was being discussed, it seemed to me, like he showed up just to say that he was the one who informed Numenor his pay item was in the booty. It would appear based on that and some of the odd messages on his site, that he seriously craves attention.

Maybe it's inevitable that as Sims 2 begins to wind down, some of these creators are going to try and get all the attention they can, WHILE they can.

I won't say who it is, so not to spoil the surprise but....

...so not surprised it's them :roll:

So Lyric posted the shit about Delphy again? Did anyone happen to screen shot them bringing up his past again?

Nope sorry.  But I remember from yesterday members included zeldaop - who posted the crap at S2C.

I am tempted to ban everyone on insim who is associated with this bullshit smear campaign. I dunno, I think as long as we entertain these people and allow them to run ammock in the community spewing their hatred the more they will keep it up.

I have said it before and I will say it again, certain people involved in this, hint hint Lyric, was file sharing long before pmbd was open. She was sending files via msn so if anything she is a hypocrite and it is laughable that her of all people are so obsessed with this.

I personally don't give a rats ass about the legality of paysites nor do I care if people are file sharing. I doubt highly that there is a single person in this community who hasn't shared or illegally downloaded something before, whether it be software, music, movies or Sims 2 content. Whether or not it is right is each inidividuals choice to make. I don't happen to download from the Booty as I don't find any of the content appealing and I am a bit torn on how the entire thing has pushed the envelope a bit more as to where people, some people, don't respect any artists work, free or pay, and is doing what they please with it but that is a whole other discussion and I am babbling due to pain pills.

The address is gone now. I take it was Lyric?

Yeah, it was lyric.  Wow, they really keep up with the reading here, don't they?

*waves to lyric and wiggles ass at her.

You betcha.  Too late Lyric  :lol:

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/4697/lyricisgreygooseoe3.jpg

Edited to give you a link to the full size picture, so you can see the name on the bottom bar.

The email contact info has been removed, but Lyric Lee under her own name has registered today.  Hah!

Firstly, I apologise to Inge for thinking that was her :) Sorry hun!

I agree with you completely Kathy. All that certain people in this so called community have proved is that they are grudgeful hateful and spiteful beings that will attack people greatly on a personal level. cough lyric cough. Its really pathetic. But more so, why do we give them attention?!

Kathy, while I understand what you are saying, I'd say it's not fair to ban someone for what they may say on another forum or who they choose to associate with. Where would it all end? Not to mention that at least one of the members over there tried to appear as if they were someone else. If they bring it to insim, then you would be right to ban them.

ETA: Hope you're on the mend and the pain pills are helping. :wink:

Yes, Lyric has enemies.  I am sure at least one of them must have the brains to work out that pretending to be Lyriclee posting under a pseudonym but with her email address apparently "accidentally" left visible is a good way to blacken her name further.  More subtle than just posting in her name in the first place.

The whole setup looks like the work of someone who wants to get everyone suspicious and falling out with each other.  I'd be inclined to just pretend it isn't happening.  They might get bored with it.

That's ludicrous Inge - if they wanted to dump Lyric in the shit they would have left the email address visible for all the pirates coming to view - not deleted it in hoping that no one would believe it.  :roll:

I'd have to agree with Calalily on this one.
If it wasn't really her, they wouldn't have deleted the e-mail so fast.

But they left it up long enough for someone to finally spot it - and they must have been watching carefully for someone to spot it - as they seem to have immediately responded by hiding it which could be to make it look like it was an "oops" on their part.  But in order for the timing to be so close it really does look like they're watching our reactions closely.

LyricLee's been a moderator of various places long enough she's not forum-naive enough to accidentally leave her email address showing.  I am not specifically defending Lyric, but I don't want to waste time believing a charade either.

Finding this and getting a screencap is why I am your most devoted fangirl.  Calalily FTW!  :D

They've changed the front page now, too.  That last forum topic on "They did What?" (the Delphy thread) is now either gone or hidden.  Although I fail to understand what hiding it would accomplish, as only the select few would able to view it.

Whatever Inge.  See whatever conspiracies you want to.

TIN FOIL!



and no this had no real point except to make you laugh, because I worship the ground you walk on, as any good fan girl should. LOL

To be so righteous, they sure are trying to hide.

Guys, I say we ignore it. Give them no attention whatsoever.

(http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/1821/ai2667ea5.jpg)

Now, onto the lol cats! Or a completely different topic all together! :P

eta: Btg, tin foil FTW!  :!:  :wink:

ignore me im high n sore and cant type worth a fuck... I think she probably didn't suspect someone would look at m&m for the name. The whole tone of her the posts stink of her.

Lyric, eh?  Well, what she wrote is certainly the most coherent dribble that's come out of her in a while!  Hanging around her 12 year old minions all day I would of imagined her mind to go further to poo.  It could be that she also fixed that foaming at the mouth problem.. :lol:

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I'm sorry, Inge, for the identity mixup.

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Has anyone commented that "grey goose" is an alcoholic drink?  I know it has been mentioned on this phorum at least a couple times..

Heartily agree with you Jojoba.

(http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/8457/macrowarsh8.jpg)

Principle actors uncovered and what a surprise, eh?

(http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/8077/circusnn3.jpg)

What alcohol does it consist of? 10 yr old rotten snatch.. I mean scotch.

I hope they are reading it.  I never had any direct contact with LL, but her lack of maturity and her smear campaign against Delphy, along with so many screen caps that I have seen of her stupid behavior, make me absolutely sick.  

Does she not realize how many people, not just here and MTS2, but at a lot of the paysites and freesites despise her?  She continues to make an absolute fool of herself.  Very few people do I absolutely not like, she is definitely one of them - hell, I don't ever know her and don't like her.  Probably because she is an attention whore.

Calalily FTW!  This is why I absolutely love that whacky hair faced smart-ass chick.  You are da bomb.

(http://www.acc.umu.se/~zqad/cats/1185211630-1175968476013.t.jpg)

FOR LYRIC LEE

For da fangirls (and boy)
(http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/7954/bassjh8.jpg)

NP.  FWIW I think this is about the only site I use anything other than the name I have on my marriage certificate.

Right! So, Jojoba, where's your Johnny-avatar? I do not see him, there is only a boring car. We demand Captain Jack and we demand him now!

And here's a lolcat:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v259/shannis75/Cats/catpants.jpg)

Kathy I hope you feel better soon. I never had a cast before, sounds very painful. Take it easy.


Lyric Lee has it out for Delphy this is a vendetta. She is into SO destroying Delphy for something personal that she does not care if she destroys MTS2 at the same time. In fact she may want to destroy MTS2 because she considers it one of Delphy's achievements. Just my opinion.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/mmekare79/Cats/128277976566146250WAITDatfish.jpg)

It is not a boring car! Pfft-cha! It is a tin foil car.  :wink: But if you really want Captain Jack back then I may have to combine him with tin foil...there is no other way! Tin foil ftw!

Anyhowie, moar lol cats -

(http://www.mentalfloss.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/invisible_harmonica_410.jpg)

(http://www.acc.umu.se/~zqad/cats/1173277998-1170190268689374.t.jpg)

The cast is a bitch but I also have a pinched nerve in my neck so Im wearing a brace atm so yeah I'm in great shape lol

Whats funny about that entire relationship thing is is the fact that again Lyric knew and defended him wholeheartedly as a friend should. Her tune only began to change towards him when he wouldn't give her her way, months prior to finally being fired. He isn't this vile man, he's human and as being as such we all make mistakes. Again there is not a single one of us that is free from sin.

Those screenshots you are referring to I think we have all seen, whether or not they are photoshopped I don't know but I know he did say he did something for a friend of his and because paypal will only allow one account per bank account he was limited to using his account, something like that. Anyways it is his business, not ours. Unless he is a psycho serial killer preying on Simmers and planning on bombing the white house I don't give a shit.

Kathy,
Sorry about the cast.  I hope you feel better soon.  

I couldn't agree with you more.  I mean that horse is so dead - it's glue.  

*gives Kathy lots of rum to wash down the pain pills and choclate chip cookies because - chocolate makes everything better*

(http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/6333/captjacksparrowtf23pj2.jpg)

One tinfoilish Capt. Jack.

Oi armywife, dont give her rum! It will mix with her meds and make her crazy and hyper...oooh maybe we do want that!

Moar rum! :P

ROFL Calalily I now know what my next avi will be! Thankies  :D

(http://www.acc.umu.se/~zqad/cats/1163920513-1163878270226.t.jpg)

(http://img490.imageshack.us/img490/5949/thisismyasskickinglegex6.jpg)

(http://i11.tinypic.com/66vqfeb.jpg)

(http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x52/AshRedfern/cats/twins.jpg)

(http://s169.photobucket.com/albums/u208/liverspout/catz/beta309.gif)

OMG, Capt. F! I'm your fangirl after that macro. I love Despair.com.

If they're spamming the shit out of the forums like a couple 'tards on MTS2 tried to (I haven't been around Insim for a while, so I don't know) you're probably better off doing just that. This is just tiresome now.

It makes me wonder if they had a thing going or something.

And then I realize that I am using brain cells on Delphy and LyricLee's personal lives, and that literally anything else would be more productive and enjoyable.

Dammit! I am always late to the party... :roll:

but I'd still like to be on record for this issue as having said this:

 :shock:

That being said, I'd also like to add:

What. The. Fuck. Are. These. People. ON?!

That's fine though. They can have the Sims Community. I was more interested in saving the Sims2 community anyways.  :lol:

P.S. @ Sparkle - Actually, I picture MIKEY!! more like one of those pent up, tie-wearing, middle management retards in a big SUV, who tailgates you and cuts you off in traffic because he's pissed off about the fact that, even though he thinks he is full of awesome he knows deep down that everyone he knows secretly despises him and that he can't deal with his problems like an adult --who beats off to nekkit sims IN THE NIIIIGHT!  :lol:

P.P.S. I've read up on the Lyric Lee history but I am a little fuzzy on the fatcs of why her attack on Delphy "is unfounded" though I've no doubt that it is all some trumped up bs and that she is loco. Seriously though, doesn't he have enough *evidence* to sue her for defamation at this point?! I would think he would anyway. What she is doing to him seems beyond wicked and truly unlawful. Poor him. That's lame.  :cry:

This is how I feel about their so-called forum:
(http://icanhascheezburger.wordpress.com/files/2007/08/this-meeting-is-over.jpg)

This is how I imagine Lyric thinks about being fired at MTS2:
(http://icanhascheezburger.wordpress.com/files/2007/08/128295283927345000iminurshadow.jpg)

And this is what eventually will happen to paysites:
(http://icanhascheezburger.wordpress.com/files/2007/08/128295297077501250manateecatiz.jpg)

Yes, kind of long I know, but there was a STORY to be told... And the story is, after all, why we're here in the end when all is said and done.

ROTFLMFAO

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 :roll:

My God, that sounds like my mother-in-law!

"So i sez to mildred, i sez" LOL

That is so cute! Thank You for the laugh Requip :lol:

I know that I tend to lurk around these forums (and most other Sims-related forums), but it's usually because everyone has already beaten me to the punch when it comes to my personal feelings and beliefs on this paysites subject, and I feel rather foolish posting a stupid "I agree!!1!" post.  :roll:

In any case, I'm speaking up right now because after reading through this thread, I find myself growing more and more aggravated with EA.  Everyone already knows how Will Wright/Maxis feels on this subject, but EA can't seem to settle on one solid thing, and now it's becoming apparent that they're giving everyone who emails a different flippant response.  Which is complete bullshit, considering this gives idiots like Greg, MIKEY!!!, and their ilk "ammo" to use in this "war".  The whole lot of this mess is EA's fault for trying to play all sides in a greedy attempt to keep customers placated.

I have put a lot of money -- and I do mean a LOT -- into EA's and Maxis' pockets over the years.  I suppose I'll be firing out a wonderfully polite letter asking them why I should continue to do so if they can't come up with simply ONE GODDAMN STANCE on this whole paysites issue.  If they don't wish to piss off fans by condemning paysites, then fine -- at least acknowledge in all correspondence in NICE BOLD LETTERS that EA/Maxis SUPPORTS filesharing of ANY files pertaining to The Sims 2.  Then we won't have to keep hearing about how PMBD is filled with thieves who belong in prison.  Paysites will continue to sell their shit, people will continue to fileshare everything, no one will be able to do anything about it, the ridiculousness will stop, and we'll all be one big lovely happy dysfunctional family again.  :lol:

I'd certainly love to see all paysites go up in flames because I'm an "old skool" gamer who is used to people making and sharing mods for free just to add to the gaming experience...an ideal that always escapes TS2, sadly (and a few other newer games).  I feel that all modders in it for the money should be laughed at by the collective gaming community.  Honestly, the concept of paying for a fanmade mod that may end of breaking the game...well, it's certainly not tolerated in other gaming communities.   However, I'm not that optimistic, nor am I naive; I realize that paysites have been around since TS1, and sadly, they'll probably continue onto TS3...unless EA finally does something about them then.

Just my two cents, and to let you know to expect an EA letter from me...if they give me a damn response, that is.  I'd also like to take this time to *wave* to armywife whom I've already met in another paysites thread.  :P

EA did call me back today, I didn't think they would, because they said they were going to look at that site and call me back. They are not tickled by that website at all. They have no intentions of supporting paysites. The guy said why would we support paysites? We couldn't even if we wanted too. Do they think we are stupid? If we openly supported paysites, then they can come after us when their stuff shows up on the BBS! That is not going to happen. I don't know where these people get these things from. I said your guess is as good as mine. Oh and second confirmation they are not changing the EULA to support paysites or for the game. I think the guy said his name was Edward? I didn't get to talk to him long because he called and the babies were screaming in the bg, playing with each other and he talked really softly.

Where do they get these things from? From that fact that EAxis hasn't made an official statement on their position anywhere. Since EAxis hasn't explicitly said in a medium which can't be refuted (ie posting it on The Sims 2 official site) that paysites are against their EULA, paysites take this to mean they are well within their right to charge for content. Seriously, EAxis needs to take official action instead of this ambiguous fence sitting and statements that amount to hearsay. I appreciate your efforts in obtaining this information but until they make an official statement the information you've provided amounts to a huge pile of "he said/she said" with nothing to back it up.

I'm sick of EAxis doing nothing. They need to shit or get off the damn pot.

I seriously doubt we will get any official statement. If we do it will be a small miracle. I went the show recently for Spore. I got the feeling there they are not ready, nor will they ever be ready to draw a line in the sand. They don't want to loose fans on either side. Which is why they are making CC for Spore and Sims 3 the way they are. Like everyone else I have emails and not from Customer Support or Tech Support. But they do no good, because like you said actions speak louder than words. At the show I tried hard to ask direct questions. I got told. We know about the Pirates, we know about Paysites, we know people are posting Paysite things on the BBS, have we tried to stop any of it? No. Will there be paysites for Sims 3? NO! Is the same technology that is incorporated in Spores also going to be incorporated into Sims 3? Yes. So what's to stop them from coming up with a way to have a paysite? There will be no paysites for Sims 3 was my answer. What he said today did make sense though think about it, if they give approval to paysites, that's basically giving them right to claim copyright to their content. Which means they could turn around and sue EA as well for allowing their things to be posted on the BBS. EA is not that stupid, so made perfect sense to me. They would also set themselves up with lawsuits from us as well that did follow the EULA for violating their own contract. I can feel the emotional distress coming on now, can't you?

Well, if they're waiting for Sims 3 to shit then they'd better have one hell of a big pot to catch it all.

The problem is of course, that unless they make some sort of definitive statement, paysites are already set to go.  TSR has the "Spore Resource" already set up - ready to capitalise on it.

There will be paysites up and going from the first day release of Spore, and then what are they going to do? Alienate their fans.  Personally, I think they're better off releasing their last ep, and then making a statement.

Oh, and possibly setting up a site that says "I am a paysite owner, and I intend to buy sims disks and burn them in protest" - that way they get lots of sales to paysite owners  :lol:

I don't understand how the release of Sims 3 will put a stop to Sims 2 paysites. Do they really think that everyone is going to immediately drop Sims 2 and upgrade to Sims 3? That didn't happen with Sims 1 when Sims 2 was released. Anything changed in the custom content policy and creation techniques released with Sims 3 will apply only to Sims 3. If they want to stop Sims 2 paysites they have to address that problem specifically. Sims 3 is actually rather irrelevant to the Sims 2 paysite problem. Now, if they are planning on issuing a statement saying Sims 2 paysites are against the Sims 2 EULA at the time they release Sims 3 that's another thing but that's not what I'm reading. I'm reading that they think the release of Sims 3 will clear up the Sims 2 paysite problem and it won't. It's apples and oranges.

I'm not ranting at you, HawkGirl. I just do not get their logic.

When sims 2 came out I stopped playing sims 1.  I guess they assume that everyone who plays sims 2 will switch to sims 3 and the new terms will apply.

I think it's possible that Spore may change things in a way the paysites will not like one bit. Spore is Will Wright's dream, his baby, and from all the interviews I've read with him about it, he's thrilled about people sharing their creations -- FREELY. Will Wright may not have much say over EA's business practices, but what he says still means something. Further, Spore is going to draw a lot of "normal" gamers who absolutely will not put up with paysite shit.

If TSR feels threatened now (and those pirate sets show that they do), they'd better run and hide in their bunkers for the bombs that will be lobbed their way whenever the hell Spore comes out.

I'm not sure I understand... from what I've been reading until now the customer content is automatically uploaded to the Spore servers and made available to all other users... what will the paysites sell? Or what will they sell more than once?

Meshes are already automatically packaged with sims, and that hasn't stopped paysites selling them.  People will find a way around it.

If you do a search on google video or you tube there are lots of Spore videos that show how the CC is different. The user makes the CC, its buiLt into the games software and I get the distinct feeling that Sims will be simmarily built no need for a SIMPE CEP. When the new EULA comes out on Spore and Sims 3 it can be stressed in better language what is not permittable. I agree lol my friend Tells me TSR wont have a chance with the gaming community, not the same crowd.) There was one presentation a year ago I watched with Will Wright and Robin Williams was there. Before robin Williams came up to the front to try spore, Will Wright talked about CC it will be free for all, and he was talking about licensing agreements with Hollywood. We are seeing that now a sims movie will be made. So basically the paysites are going to have a bigger problem justifying their existence, if the CC developer is built into the games interface as well.

Trust me I fully understand. Every single time I talk to them I feel like I'm going in circles. I tried hard today to get the guy to give me straight answers, but my two grandsons that are 3 and 2 were in the bg pulling on me, and hollering in the phone. I have cathedral ceilings here so they love to hear themselves echo and almost no insulation because I live in CA. So you can imagine what he was going through listening to that. I had him hold on several times while I tried to find something to get them to be quiet. I was having a hard time not only hearing him, but understanding him. I knew he was getting frustrated having to repeat himself, so I let him go.

I see Duckie's point as Sims 3 is irrelevent to Sims 2 mess. The problem is, next year the series ends. From the feeling I get they are stonewalling both sides till the next EP. I think they are going to keep us in limbo, and continue stonewalling. We are pestering them, and they are being like parents appeasing a child. SO basically I don't have faith in them resolving anything, as they have let them thrive this long. So its kind of like they give both sides a greenlight. Thats how it feels to me.

I was thinking what would be the overall rammifications in the community if TSR was given a license agreement, and smaller sites up and vanished and TSR absorbed the others. A few may run their sites still like Peggy, Rose, and Vita because their in country's with no copyright agreement.

1.A bigger subscription rate (minimum 10 dollars less free days)

2. When the gossip reaches around all the sims community how many fans of the game will like these pay sites or even EA after they found out the paysites had no legal right to charge them they were scammed. Then theres the anger of the fans towards EA, you allowed this knowing we were being ripped off. do you see the vicious cycle here!

How many people would want Sims 3 after finding all this out?

Like I said earlier, if EAxis' going to wait until the release of Sims 3 to shit they'd better have a gigantic pot to catch it all in... (http://www.derailedsims2.com/images/smileys/shitstorm.gif)

Wow...I had to see it for myself, and when I typed it in the location bar and hit enter -- presto!  Holy shit, the game is delayed "for quite some time" (according to Game Informer and a few other places), and yet Thomas has already sunk his greedy fat fingers into it.

Haha, if the thing about how CC will be handled is true (and I'm sure it is), I can't wait to see this hit the fan!  As Calalily said, they'll find some way around it, but as it's been pointed out by Neriana (and me a few posts up), the "normal" gamers won't tolerate this paysite shit.  Thomas and his cohorts can expect some sort of hell unleashed their way (as what happened with Oblivion when some complete asses tried to sell mods for the game).

I wonder if that was Exem caught trying to sell Oblivion files, he abandoned S2 for a while, and it was mentioned he was over in the Oblivion community?

By the way what do the gamers do to these crooks? 8)
Maybe we are being too nice...

Don't pay.
That's what they do.
They laugh them out of the community.
Someone brings up payment for a mod in Oblivion everyone laughs and See ya, greedy.
The reason it never got that way with the sims, IMO is because the people who tend to play are either young or older and neither want to trouble the waters. They just bought and played and kept their thoughts to themselves.
Before Oblivion there was Morrowind, and that's the one I was super into...lol. Oblivion, I have, but it doesn't run on my PC. What a waste of 50 bucks. :lol:
Anyway, when I first found out about mods for Morrowind I went looking around and found some stuff that would put the best sims creators to shame, for free. And NO ONE ever mentioned anyone trying to collect payment for them ever. Not while I was around that crowd.
Oblivion, on the other hand, has had two or three people try to introduce pay sites. And all of them were cussed out, brought into the light and shoved out the door.
Hm.
We aren't doing anything wrong here, it's the rest of the fans that are. They need to realize that paysites are NOT the norm in online gaming communities.

Yeah, Exnem was one of them.  There's been a few.  The Civilization community had a couple pop up a while back, too, according to my in-law.  They were "kindly" showed the door.  :D

Yep, AND shared files with family and friends.  :D *heehee*

Been reading Spore press and I LOVE this one

Every time anyone in the world makes something in the editors while playing Spore it is uploaded and saved on EA servers, then shared with others around the world.

but don't understand how?.......And how would this work in Sims 3? (computer tech idiot)  :roll: Please be kind.

Yeah...beautiful custom content for the sims takes lots of exporting, importing, and testing.  It wouldn't be good if we ended up with some mesh that was half complete or some mod that fried our computers.  Will there be quality control?

Red if you saw any of the Spore videos, you would see they provide with pieces, shapes, and colors. Its hard to explain but it would be a lot like the interface of Bryce software in its early days, very intuitive and easy to work with shapes to build. You could only upload their stuff to them if you are online. Anyway, till we all see Sims 3 we are just guessing. It could be a separate program like bodyshop that installs with your game.

Yes, but Sims 2 was made for sharing - and that's not being done freely either.  There are ways in which someone can stop the sharing.  

And as for the system they've set up - it should be good, and hopefully will be foolproof - but I'm not holding my breath.   Maybe all this extra time spent designing it is putting in the failsafes to make sure there's no selling.

And yes, I've watched some Spore videos - and know that Will Wright is interested in a community built game.  He's not interested in exclusivity, or any of the other crap that paysites do.

I'm too cynical for my own good.  I don't think EAxis will be able to shut the paysites out of Sims 3 or Spore just through programming.  After all, the Sims 2 was supposed to work almost the same way:  content was supposed to be both uploaded and downloaded from the game itself, without any need to search the web.  We all know how that worked out.  

How is Spore going to take content off of my computer if I use my firewall to refuse it access to the internet?  How is it going to prevent me from searching my game files until I find the item I just created so I can extract it manually and put it online on a personal website?  I hope they find a way to shut out Spore paysites -- and I hope the solution isn't to force me to let my game go online.  (I  don't want my game to download random crap it thinks I'll like!)

What kind of failsafes do you think they can make?
I'm lost on this subject...lol.
It seems to me that including the Upload to Sims2.com option should have been a *DING* for the paysites and exclusive forums. If they ask you to do it and share the files, how can there be arguement about whether or not they condone file-sharing? :?:
What other options are there in order to make 3 more sharing-minded? Either I'm too burnt or I just can't figure out a way on my own...lol
Help me Dr. Calalily!  :lol:

They could code the game so that no custom content works without passing through EA's hands someway before installing on your game.

If I knew that I would be a future doctor of computer design and graphics - not criminology  :lol:  But knowing criminal activity like I do - they always find a way around things.  And I found something curious this week (been fortifying the puter for the release of Bon Voyage - I'll be damned if I have any adware installed by EAxis). I found a tracking cookie on my PC - with the name Maxis in it - so what else they could install is beyond me.

I don't what the hell they're doing with Spore.  It looked ready in 2006 for fuck's sake. Why the hell is it's release a tease?

I prefer to be the one who decides what gets installed and when, so if a program tried to do that to me, I'd yank it out, uninstall and either snap the disk or write the maker one hell of a nasty letter for leaving a backdoor into my computer. MY computer, that I paid for. That kind of shit just leaves you open for a hack, no matter your firewall. If one can get in, others can find a way to exploit it and get in as well. I got hacked through ICQ back in '98 and from then on, I wouldn't and will not, ever have ICQ again. Bite me once and I'll slap you so hard your teeth launch down your throat... Not seen the ads for Spore, am thinking of checking them out... But Sims 3 sounds very interesting, very interesting indeed... I'd love to have a dummies way to make my own cc because as it is, I can't get my head around it...

There was a Spore video someone posted about recently (either here or MATY, I can't recall) that was over half an hour long. It's one that a lot of clips have been extracted from to GameSpot and the such. The whole video just gives it a lot more context when it comes to how custom content is created.

I personally was worried about the world-sharing. I don't want anyone else messing with my game. Typically, in simulators, I like creating the most balanced happy experience possible. This was true for SimCity, for Sims 1&2, and will be true for Sims3 & Spore. I avoid  games that include a strong pvp component. If I later decide to muck it all up for laughs, I want to muck it up my way.

Anyways, with world-sharing other people's worlds  populate your game universe. You can visit them, abduct things, bomb the poo out of them, perhaps even play them. But you only effect your copy of the world. I suspect it's similar with custom content. What remains to be seen is if you have complete control over what you download or are given suggested items/meshes/textures/races/whatchamacallits based on ratings kind of like Yahoo! Radio does. Honestly, I could see both happening but suspect it will be full control with the Sims3. The amazing thing is that Will Wright stated that world files are only about 56k in size.

Thing is, we (as a community, because I can learn to read specific coding but hacking/modding is beyond me) like to push the game into unintended avenues. We will do it with Spore and Sims3....how could we not? There still will be something out there that isn't included in the normal game parameters that feasibly could be charged for. TSR will find a way.

Half an hour long:

https://www.poptech.org/popcasts/PopCasts.aspx?viewcastid=33

One of the paysite supporters on s2c tried to use it as an indication that EA likes TSR.

To which I said:

Someone attempted to charge for Civilization mods? That's hilarious. I would have loved to have seen that.

Any paysite jackasses who are reading this: put a year, at minimum, into one far-reaching mod that touches every part of the game, and works correctly. Then... I would still make fun of you for charging for it. You are a bunch of freaks.

Paysites may find some kind of out with Sims 3, but they are totally s.o.l. with Spore, and considering the community overlap... yeah, this is gonna be fun.

Calalily, for Halloween, if you dress up, you should buy some smarties candies and safety pin them all over your britches, cus you're Miss SMARTY-PANTS! :lol:

But yeah, they'd have to come up with something that doesn't put a bunch of crap directly into the game, though, because that's a horrible thought.

No Halloween in Aussie land.  :D

No Halloween? NO HALLOWEEN? OMG! That's sheer blasphemy! *Falls over dead at thought of NO HALLOWEEN...*

Then how else do you get free candy off your neighbors?

No Halloween means...

....no riffling through your brother's bag for the Snickers and replacing them with those godawful Mary Jane's

.... no scary old guy at the house at the end of the road that your friends dare you to approach

... no Greenwich Village Halloween parade, full of amazing costumes, drag queens, freaks, goths, and other assorted weirdos (an event worth going to at least once!)

... no costumes you have to cover with your coat because your mother thinks it's too cold in just that sheet you turned into a ghost costume

.... no egging the principal's car

...no TPing the minister's trees

What the hell do you do for fun then, Cala?

If it involves toilet paper and koalas/kangaroos, I don't think I wanna know...

:cry:
No Halloween?
How sad. It's my favorite holiday!
I love to scare the kiddies....muahahahahaha!
I go all out.
But, yeah...no Halloween sucks!
you do have christmas, right? lol

 :P their smart downunder! Here in the good old USA I dont even celebrate Halloween.

I know I'm opening a can o'worms here, but I have to ask...lol.
Is it a religious thing, Soup Parrot?

Actually, oddly enough, Hallowe'en (Formally All Saint's Day and All Hallows Eve) was (still is? I'm agnostic  :lol: ) a very important religious holiday for many different groups (including Christians) in Europe and elsewhere and is still celebrated with a religious slant in many places currently as well. In North America, of course, it's all about free candy and scary movies nowadays, but it wasn't always like that.

Considering that it was for a long period for Catholics a day about saints and honouring the dead in the hopes that they would be sent to heaven, it always seems strange to me when religious groups have problems with it (although that dislike is more than likely connected to its earliest beginnings as well as more recent traditions).

Yes, but I dont people down for celebrating it. Its a choice thing :)

Plus, you're saving yourself a mint not having to purchase a ton of mini chocolates too, Soup Parrot.  :lol:

You know, I am probably one of the only people in the world who wanted to celebrate Halloween (trick-or-treat, pranking, dressing up, the whole lot of it) but couldn't -- not because my family is religious and against the holiday, but because my dad said it was complete bullshit to expect people to buy candy for kids who weren't even their own.  :?

And yet, he never bothered with buying us candy on the day to ease the hurt.  :roll:

In a way, I ended up hating the holiday for a while as a little girl...only because of an asshat tradition at our school involving marching the costumed little kids into the older kids' classrooms to show off.  Of course, I never had a costume, so I'd get all sorts of "Who are you supposed to be, dork?" responses.  I'd ask the teachers to let me stay behind, and each year, they said no.  

...I need rum.  :cry:

I thought the whole point was to buy more candy than you need and you get to eat up the excess. I love the season when the Candy Corn is in bloom!

Definely, though I ussualy get some treat at the store, cause it tempted me. But my lights are out, I dont answer the door. This hood gets few treaters. I think everyone is down at the Community center, they encourage group activities, parties and all for everyone. its safer that way for the kids.

Beer.
Beer.
Beer.

No seriously - we do some of those things - egging principals' car etc. - we just don't have a designated day to do it.  It's just when he pisses you off.  :lol:

Australia, at least when I was a kid, was severely anti-commercialism - so it never really caught on here.  Not to mention that most people - again from when I was a kid - would rather eat ground glass and nails than be like Americans.  Nowadays, with the saturation of American tv, and American style, kids are more apt to want to do the whole Halloween thing.  I had a friend who had some kids come to her door for Halloween - teenagers - and she had nothing to give them.  So it quickly dies out.

Oh, and I only ever tasted Candy Corn when I was in LA in the year 2000.

Calla, Candy corn is fun. Seriously, I think Hollywood's version of American life, and real American life are completely different. so I dont blame you all for not wanting to be like us. Its bad enough Hollywood pretends to be American and peddles it around the world.

Oh crap! :lol:  That is so sad, it's hilarious; "Trick-or....ohhh....bye."

Ah, now I was lucky because I grew up out in the countryside, far from neighbors.  You had to go to town to trick-or-treat.

First time I lived in town as an adult, I got trick-or-treaters.  I was dumb enough to leave my lights on (don't do that anymore).  In any case, I felt so damn dumb when they came to the door...I scrounged around my mom's house, looking for candy and found some cinnamon balls to give them.

I don't know how old that candy was (as my mom usually never eats it).  :oops:

That's what I do. Always make sure to pick up a couple bags of my own favorites. My grandbabies only go to people's houses we know. So grandma sneaks and buys extra bags to dump in their bags when they aren't looking of mixed candy and a couple bags of their favorite candy. Couple toys. They probably wouldn't care if they got to go trick or treating, it's all about getting dressed up for them. Of course they are only 7,6, 3, and 2. Plus, I'll have three more soon. My own children didn't want to go trick or treating anymore when they were about 10, they figured out that pour the bags of candy in the bag trick. Plus, they didn't like that they couldn't just wander off with their friends. So they just liked dressing up and passing out the candy.

Ahhh I remember my mom use to get carried away dressing us up. She sewed costumes and all for us. Then she would carefully go through our bags checking for suspicious candy, then we'd be door greeters. But i think after 6th grade halloween wasnt that fujn anymore for me.

I went trick or treating with my kids last year, dressed as Dorothy from the Wizard of Oz, complete with pigtails, dress and ruby slippers   :lol:  My son always gives me the chocolate, he likes skittles and stuff like that.  So, free chocolate....I'm in.

I do the same thing almost every year, dress up like a witch, play spooky music, and pass out candy from a cauldron. But, a few years ago I rented a Disney Bear costume. I just walked behind people, flipping their hair.  Or looking over their shoulder. Looked in their bags. Passed out potatoes to teenagers. lol That was lots of fun. The kids loved it, even the teenagers had fun with it. Moms and Dads must have been calling everyone they knew, because my poor husband had to go back to the store four times for candy. He threatened me that never again was I allowed to do that. The last time he went to the store he bought all they had left, so I had candy here till Christmas and ended up throwing away a bunch. I'm glad I'm not the only one that likes to do that.

Candy corn was alright - give me coconut ice anyday.  The one thing I did really love (scarfed 2 boxes) was Junior Mints.

It's the little things we don't want either - like word substitutions:

US                                    Aussie
cookies                             biscuits
biscuits                             scones or dumplings
Mom                                 Mum
candy                               lollies
zee as in letter zee            letter zed
ass                                  arse
fanny (means bum)           fanny (means vagina) - hence the giggling when we hear Americans talk about "fanny packs".  :D

I will remember to watch how I use the word fanny from now on. I just named a Sim Fanny... :shock:. Wait till I tell my mom what fanny means over downunder. Junior mints are the best, Dots, Goodnplenty, all that. Now dont get me hungry or I wont be able to sleep.

Junior Mints are my favorite candy. I have to also order thin mints from the girls scouts every year, and I love Spearmint/Peppermint tea. Maybe I just have a thing for mint.



I was thinking the same thing, I know a couple women named Francine who's nicknames are Fanny, I'll never be able to look at them again without laughing now!  :oops: How could you ever look at someone and say oh and by the way did you know your nickname means vagina in Australia? lol

And in England it means vulva!   Doctors would get really confused, they wouldn't know if we were talking about our backside, frontside, or inside :D

Oh - come to think of it though, Americans don't have a seperate word for vulva do they?  They call the whole thing the vagina?  Here, the vagina just means the internal tube that leads to the uterus, it doesn't include the visible parts.

Edit: Oh I just want to add that "fanny" for vulva is not considered a particularly rude word (except inasmuch as one doesn't talk about the area in polite conversation), in fact my friends and I taught that word to our small daughters to name the part.  And we do use Fanny as short for Frances too, it's not a problem.

I absolutely hate candy corn. Worst candy ever. ew.
I like peanut butter cups. And snickers after you put them in the freezer for awhile.

I love languages and words and always delight in the differences I notice.

On my sweet mum-in-law's first trip to America we took her into a Burger King because she was so excited that we had them here in Seattle like they do back home in Belfast. She ran in and said quickly to the boy at the counter, "I need a Flamer! Hot, please."

The boy, noticing her accent, quickly looked at me... like this :shock: and I said, stiffling myself, "She means a grilled chicken sandwich and not the one that's already sitting there, please.  :D "

Later I explained to her that she had just ordered a "nice looking gay boy".   :lol:

Well I still call them Marathons.  Stupid internationalisation of brand names  :x

I miss the name "Marathon" too. It sounded SO much better than Snickers.

And then there's Starburst, which used to be called "Opal Fruits."

I'm sure there are many more, but I can't remember them ATM...

A candy bar by any other name... :P
They do have a snickers ice cream bar, but I still prefer the candy bar after it's been in the fridge.
I love caramel apple lollipops too. They are a sour apple lollipop covered with caramel. They are yummy but hard to find.

ETA: these http://www.centurynovelty.com/detail_2_400-002.html?mr:referralID=e5dc1c7b-aceb-4c04-aaf9-77518d7c45f8

You guys are killing me.  I am on a diet.  I'm eating a sourdough pretzel right now, wishing it was a snickers.  :cry:

I must really be naieve. If i had of heard her I would assumed she was ordering a sandwich. :?

Sadly, I don't have any grandbabies, but my younger son, age 14, likes to put on his Freddy Kruger mask and knife glove and hand out the candy. Then when the little neighbor kids go home about 8 p.m. there are usually all night horror movie marathons on TV. So he and I pop some popcorn and watch them. My husband sometimes joins us, but only for the candy and popcorn, I suspect. He talks through movies, so we have to send him away.

Holy hell, there went my coffee.

That's so freaking funny. Fanny Packs are stupid, imo, anyway, so to hear that makes it all the more fun to tease those who wear them now..lol.

Thanks Soup for answering. I didn't want to start a debate or anything, was just curious and I'm glad it didn't offend you that I asked. :)

Halloween is my Christmas..lol.
I just go nuts. I decorate the yard and house, Cam gets jkick ass comstumes and Eli will now, too since he's old enough to enjoy it this year.
I even dress up every year.
I have the same costume I've been wearing since 2000..lmao. It's an old black bridesmaids dress *yeah, balck, who knows* and I wear it with my fangs and stuff and hiss at everyone that comes to the door.
I dunno, I'm odd.  :lol:
The kids all love me around here, though...although the parents treat me like their oldest kid or something..lmao.

There are some other amusing differences between British and American slang. I'm not sure about Australian slang.

I once went to school with a British student who asked for a "rubber" and got the strangest looks from her classmates. Here, a rubber is a condom. The poor thing just wanted to borrow an eraser.

Then there are "fags". Here, they do not mean cigarettes, and if you ask for a fag, you may not get what you intended. A British acquaintance of one of my son's friends nearly had an unfortunate experience when he asked a group of guys for a "fag".

"Lemonade" there is "7-Up" or "Sprite" or a related drink there. Here, "lemonade" means a drink made of lemons, water and sugar. Usually. We do have alcoholic lemonades, though. I remember seeing "lemonade" on a menu when I visited England, ordering one, and giving the waiter a very strange expression when he brought me a 7-Up. I thought he was trying to be a wise guy.

I found out the hard way ... A "bathroom" in England is a room with a bathtub. If you really, really have to pee, do NOT ask for a bathroom.

The only people I ever see wearing them now are American tourists (you can tell the French, Swedish etc. since they wear backpacks).  Oh, and just in case you're wondering what we call "fanny packs" - bum bags.

And silver - we derive our slang a lot more from Britain - we use rubber, fag, lemonade and bathroom in the same context.  It was really weird to ask for a bathroom in LA - here we use (in order of how well you know the person, and how comfortable you are) toilet (polite) or loo and toot (colloquial).  It's not unknown for a man to ask for the shithouse.  Australians like the swearing.  :D

Thanks a lot, guys, I just choked on my fucking pretzel! I knew most of the slang for Aussie, we had an Aussie student two years out of the three that I attended Sr. High, and she was wonderful for my education! I'd explain American usage to her, she'd explain Aussie to me and the one thing we agreed on was for smokes, we both called them coffin nails but that didn't deter us from smoking the damn things under the water tower!
As for the Marathon bar, I remember that one being kind of a flat braid shape (or plait) of caramel covered with chocolate. I remember putting a piece of one in my mouth and letting the chocolate melt off and just enjoying it... I miss those things...
One thing I really want to try some day is a deep fried Mars bar, it sounds good... I've been advised to stay away from Toad in the Hole and Bubble and Squeak, though...

There was some publicity about the whole loo issue (what about dunny Cala?) in the press in UK when William and Kate broke up. It was reported that she wasn't posh enough because she said toilet instead of loo.  :roll:  There was then far too much column space and air time devoted to the curious habits of the upper class. Apparently the rules change fairly often and only the blue bloods are in the know.

I knew there was one I forgot - but I often feel that way, so I just ignored it  :oops:

Brit slang is fun, but Halloween is better, so nah.

Last Halloween, my entire family decided to have some fun. We transformed the front porch of our house into an enclosed mad-doctor's operating room. We bought scrubs from thrift stores, and I made myself a little nurses outfit and hat, and a bunch of surgical masks, and then covered everything in fake blood. My youngest brother sat with his head through a hole in the table, and in the dark with smoke machines and a black light, he totally looked fake. Then my mother's husband (who is 50, btw) totally overdid his performance as the mad doctor, screaming and cackling while we ushered kids through the door 'the doctor will see you now'. The fake head thing scared more than a few adults and teens, and he went easier on the little ones, but everyone had a great time. We must have had a couple hundred trick or treaters, we went through more than forty pounds of bulk candy.

I'm 26, and I'm never giving up Halloween. It's a family tradition.

Here in the states, I loved the hijinks that the cast of "Roseanne" would pull every year, tallying up pratical jokes. Me and my family, eh........just did the T&T thing. The apt. complex me and my wife live in and have for the past 5 years has been a void around Halloween. Lots of decorations, no kiddies and families out gathering candy. But it's a dual-university town where we live, so it's fun to see the college kids go all the way around halloween...

We do have Halloween!  Here in Perth we do, anyway.  But it's different.  We have dress-up parties.  There isn't any trick-or-treating.  :D

I Absolutely love Roseanne! I have them all on dvd up to season 8 + the Roseanne Halloween Edition dvd with all the Halloween episodes from every show.

I hope you get us some pictures of your next Halloween show for us all to see.

I love Halloween. I don't go out trick or treating anymore, but I have younger siblings that do, so I get to steal their candy when they're not looking. But really, Halloween was more about the atmosphere to me, it is just wicked fun and I love it. Of course, the goodies help too.

Not to forget the slang 'Dunny' for toilet.   We use that a lot here (I'm in Perth).  That one is one of my favourites.  :)

We also call sweaters 'jumpers', drink english tea all through the day and call our cookies 'biscuits'.  If we do have 'cookies', they're usually large baked chocolate-chip things.

Which is exactly what a cookie should be.  :wink:

Back to the topic at hand. I hope they're better at keeping their supporters interest peaked. They lost ours several pages back. Guess that means they didn't accomplish what they set out to do. It has turned into a much more interesting conversation, since then. But, what can we expect from such winning personalities as Thomas, Greg, Suzy, and LyricLee. Each, their own worse enemies.

Someone informed me that GoS (Garden of Shadows) forum was shut down by the Save Sims2 Community for filesharing.  Do y'all know anything about this?

Already have a thread on it here.  http://phorum.mustnotbenamed.com/viewtopic.php?t=1266

It is being talked about in this thread http://phorum.mustnotbenamed.com/viewtopic.php?t=1266. There's likely to be a bit more info there.


Edit: Dang. Too slow.

Wow.
Deja Vu.
 :lol:

I am thinking that the only members that they will have are paysite owners. I can't see anyone going there and saying " OHH yaya! Now i can be aprt of you ripping me off!" yeah... no they all will come here. that site will just help this on all the more.

That site is simply a front.
They are doing their 'ebil planning' elsewhere. There haven't been any posts made since last week or so.
I'm sure they used that place to take the attention away from what or where they're really doing/dwelling.
They're probably all in Mikey's forum, WTF, plotting to hack sites and turn them into their hosts.
In other words, they're there whinning and bitching and acting 12.

Hm. Wonder what THEIR host would think about them having a RAPE MOD for download at their place...

I was wondering if someone saved the page where they stated their intention of destroying free sites or if there's a link to it. There's an ongoing effort to collect material/information about computer crime. At the time the trolling was going on at SC2 I saved the page at M&M where they stated they wanted to hack sites. That's pretty illegal in the US and I'm sure Canada doesn't take it lightly either.

Edit:
Never mind, found that page too.


Nah, they are in the Save The Sims member-only area. I wonder what invisionfree.com thinks about providing Free hosting to a group of Paysites owners that state "And I don't want to get rid of all the free sites. There are lots of them who don't care what we, or even 100% pay sites do. It's just the ones who have a god-complex we need to put a halt to.
".

I am SO angry with these idiots. Anyone else see the correlation between "Save the Sims Community" and "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth"? Doublespeak is alive and well.

Anyway, since talking about it here isn't enough, I suggest we do a letter writing campaign to our favorite FREE sites, to make sure they know there is Evil In Our World. I've posted this letter at Money Better Spent (http://www.moneybetterspent.org/index_files/page0001.htm). feel free to edit as desired, and email freely.

Hec, what program did you use to make that page? That's the worst coding I've ever seen and the page doesn't display properly with my fully W3 compliant browser.

::::hangs head in shame:::::

You don't wanna know. But I have someone helping me recode it. It looks good in IE, though.....

Yea, I had to switch over to IE to see it properly because I use Firefox. It does look much better in IE. *quickly exits IE before skull implodes*

Actually I do want to know. It's always useful to know which programs are really bad so you can steer away those who need a WYSIWYG and find them something less offensive.
I don't hate IE7 as much as all the IEs before it, but I <3 my Opera.

When I installed IE7 on my other computer, it kept taking me to that stupid intro/setup page(or whatever the hell it was), or it would just freeze. It hasn't done that on this computer YET. Probably because I haven't used it except maybe twice for maybe a minute.

They are so polite there it makes me wanna puke..

Greg: "paysites are bad."
Next poster "Why thank you, Greg...what a great thought."
Third poster" wow, what groovy ideas. You guys are so rockin'"
Greg "Thank YOU for noticing. You're groovy too."
Next poster "And we don't call name sin public, only in private."
Greg "That's right. Thank you for re-stating that."
Third poster "no, thank you, Greg for thanking us"

Thank you for posting that, Tempest.  What a great idea!

Fine lulz there, indeed.  All quite proper and such.  Especially rule number one requiring female nudity.  Yes, ever so special.

Crumpet, anyone?

Does anybody have the page where paysite owners say they are taking down the free sites?  

Tempest, lmao, they sound so much like the sheeple.

http://z11.invisionfree.com/SaveTheSimsCommunity/index.php?showtopic=12

Quote from Mikey:

And I don't want to get rid of all the free sites. There are lots of them who don't care what we, or even 100% pay sites do. It's just the ones who have a god-complex we need to put a halt to.


This is the only post in the "viewable" area I found.

And I really can't grasp how they expect to sway people to "their side" if no one knows what the hell they are talking about in secret.  I mean, the closed forum is preaching to the choir.

feckin' interwebs.

I think this is what you mean, Red?

http://z11.invisionfree.com/SaveTheSimsCommunity/index.php?showtopic=12

See 'DOGPILE', Mikey post a bit downthread.  :)

ETA:  see above post!  argh.

Hmm, I did not think that people could get any more deluded. Honestly, I don't care how big the booty, or whatever 'theft ring' they are referring to, is there is no way that it is worth a million dollars or more. Bedsides that , none of the files that I know of were ever stolen, so there is no theft.
   Just because you are able to file a complaint with someone does not mean that claim has any merrit.

Oh, yes, I saw that and found it only mildly shocking. To me that is what paysites have been trying to do since this whole debate started. They simply want the free sites out that have stated their side on the debate, and if that side is not the paysite then it is wrong.

I just did a A VERY ROUGHestimate of the current booty, and I would say,  the estimated value is about $10,000 - that includes the nearly $3K it cost to get all the shit from SimFreaks, the big Vita bill, and the various yearly subs.

A million dollars, my ass.

JFed and Red: Thank you for thanking me and commenting in such a polite way. Oh happy days for all!

And then, in the middle of polite-sheeple-speak, they go off on women being naked or topless. It looks like mommy was watching while they were typing the rest and when she turned her back, the 12 year olds all wanted to talk about TOPLESS chicks. Mommy should have known not to turn her back.

My favorite part is that to belong there, one must have references from someone notable in the community. Notable must mean pay.

Tempest, thank you for thanking me for thanking you!  Also, thank you for thanking Red, that was very cool of you!  And lastly, thank you for raising an excellent point!

If I imagine myself to be a legend in my own mind, does that not make me notable?  Worthy of note?  Even noteworthy?  Simple logic dictates that it must be so.

Henceforth, I shall be available for recommending anyone to anything for the low subscription price of 3.50 USD per month.   :D

Wow! You're cheap. Must not be very good...


 :P

What am I supposed to say? :lol: I got lost after thank you for thankig me for thanking you, so thank you both for whatever you were thanking me or each other for thanking someone else or something like that.

That was hilarious!

Greg's "I MUST be the leader of  something! ANYTHING!" persona,  just keeps getting funnier and funnier! Watch out Jan, there's a new lunatic with a psychotic need for attention in town!

And MIKEY!!! A closet homosexual!?! Fucking BRILLIANT!

The only sour note was NeptuneSuzy's lackluster performance as someone with credibility.

I will send you my son's college fund, JFed!
And thank you for letting me send you my $.

I am now one of JFed's sheeple.

*sending RedLove a map* Don't get lost.....I am practicing so I can be on the forum with Mikey! and Greg. I must talk like sheeple now. But thank you for telling me you were lost.

Hey!  I'm just starting out!  That's my introductory price.   8)   And you don't know that my recommendations are any good until after I have yer monies, so nyah.   :wink:

In other (maybe old) news, I saw a very heartfelt valentine from Mikey to his wife on their site and he signed it 'Jim'.  I was relieved, as I'm too lazy to hit capslock sometimes, and the stretch to the exclamation mark key is often beyond my endurance.

Edit:  Tempest!   :lol:   I thank you for your pledge of monies and sheeple-tude!

*dies laughing, you guys are too much!

And it's not about price....it's like...OMG! I color things with programs made by other people and have a paysite and that means....like kewl...I am a designer for Sims 2. If you have a free site, then you just so do not design for EA. Ya gotta get paid to be a real artist. And then you can tell your friends or multiples that you are so wonderful.

I get it, Greg and Mikey! I am nothing (and hardly notable) until I get paid.

Oh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Shit, I get it!!!!!! I totally get paysites now.
If you give it away, you are a slut. If you get paid, you are a prostitute.

Why didn't someone tell me sooner!

 :shock:  :o  :D  :lol:

OMG! That is so cult worthy!

*dies laughing*

If MIKEY!!! or Good forbid, Greg show up here, can I go after them with my new hammers?! Those piles of maloderous refuse posing as humans piss me off! We've pretty much heard from EA that the paysiters are in the wrong... My mind is boggling... Melting... How in the fucking fuckity fuck fuck fuckity fucking HELL are WE the ones with the God complex when we aren't the one saying "if you tithe and praise and kiss my ass, you can have this download!" We are not the ones who try to keep people ignorant of the EULA, we aren't the ones who say that they can do things and no one else can...
Greg is a dirty cocksucking power mad CENSORED!
MIKEY!!! is a sexually depraved asshole who makes mods that allow sex crimes! He needs to be hit over the head with a branding iron that is white hot and his mod needs to be reported to the company.
Neptune Suzy... she's a cunt. I hate that word, it's derogatory in the extreme, but she has earned it.
Fucktards, the whole lot of them... I don't wish death on anyone, but I DO wish them to have piles that swell and itch and cause all manner of pain and discomfort...

YOu know, I think I don't wish any specific bad for them. I mean, we already are causing them plenty of butthurt just by being right.

And karma's a bitch. So's the tenfold rule in Wicca - anything you send out will come back to you ten times as intense. So I suspect they'll begin seeing the..er...fruits of their labors, as it were, soon. Read: tentimes more butthurt.

There's also the Egyptian belief that when you die, the goddess Maat weighs your soul against a feather..and if you've done bad stuff, it has weight...and that judgment determins where you spend eternity.

My conscience is clear and I sleep well at night. I wonder how Mikey sleeps.

This seems appropriate in light of Paden's post.  :lol:

(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b218/Requip/god.jpg)

Last night I finally found out how to get rid of my account in M&M since I didn't want to be in any way associated with freesites destroyers.
To the best of my knowledge, derived from posts by members, the site they want to destroy is MTS2. Interestingly enough Mikey!!! says he doesn't want to destroy anything. Maybe he should inform his sheeple :)

Well this is where I stand. I was and still am primarily a console gamer, so the idea of modding or adding custom content to a game completely escaped me until I began playing The Sims. At the time the pc I had would not allow me to even play the game for long with out crashing, so I never even considered that you could add content to the game. A few years later I learned a little about computers and what it took to run and upgrade them. So when I got The Sims2 I found the vast wealth of custom content. When I ran across a site that wanted you to pay for something, I just assumed it was normal. That was until I began playing other pc games. The main one of which is Vampire the Masquerade: bloodlines. Now by this point I know enough about computers to build my own each time I get a new one and something about making content for games, and the time it takes to make these things. Now no matter what the other game is I never see anyone trying to charge for their mods or additions. In the case of Vampire, the game is years old and the company that produced it is now shut down. So the company provides no support for the game what so ever.
   Now why does that have anything to do with The Sims paysite debate?
Easy the above mentioned game, and I would imagine a whole host of other games out there, are still patched and modded by fans all for free. Even now years after the company that made the game went under. I believe that these people have put in much more work and time than most of these sims creators do. Most of all those people do it for the love of the game, not because they want to make a quick buck.
  So in the end when I look at people who have spent years listening to the community of a certain game, and then implement those suggestions, for free. It really leaves a bad taste in my mouth when I see a site charge for things, that are often poor quality. When I know full well that no one else in any other gamming community, would ever be allowed to do.

Sorry for the long rant, And I apologize in advance for any spelling or grammar errors, I wrote this in a rush.

:D  I just want to watch Paden hammer the living shit outa Greg and Mikey.

You and me both!  :)

I also play the King's Quest series which is no longer being made and I did a search in that community and there are people who have spent years making a new sequel to the game for diehard fans and they don't want anything whatsoever for making it.  The same goes for The Elder Scrolls series.  Those communites are tight nit and they charge nothing for their time, help and mods.  I used to think it was normal too when I first got The Sims 1 and then I moved on to Sims 2 and started subscribing to certain sites until I saw this one.  I was blown away by what I read.  I will never subscribe again.

Well, at the family auction I went to last week and had to leave early because of migraine, my sister got me two of my dad's claw hammers. I'm equally good at swinging them with either hand... rotten low down dirty fuckwads, mikey and Peon Greg...

Dude, I wanna join there and talk about crumpets now....oooh I could spam and be all rude, see if they can be rude enough to kick me out. Paden, if you attack anybody, and the cops ask me if I saw what happened. I've got your back, "I didn't see anything officer."

:P Isn't Maat a crocidile goddess, and after weighing your soul, eats your heart if you have been bad?

Yay for mythology! :D

So Greg has changed tactics? Wasn't his forum Sims Must Be Destroyed or something like that before?  LOL Crazy fucker. I know I got banned from it , whatever the hell it was called. :twisted:

No.  Ma'at was the Goddess in charge of justice and the fundamental law of the universe.  As a result, Pharaoh's liked to call themselves the "Beloved of Ma'at".  It was her feather that the heart was weighed against.  If heavier, the guilty were fed to Ammit, The Devourer, who consumed the souls of the dead.  Once eaten by him, the person has no hope of further existence.  It is total annihilation of the person.

Ammit had the hindquarters of a hippopotamus, the front legs and torso of a leopard and the head of a crocodile.  

Whether anyone deserves that sort of end - *shrugs*.

Felony crime? Theft ring? Dohz. I'm too lame for those!

On a more serious note, they're the felony ring. Since they're supposed to read the damn frikkin' EULA. WELL EXCUSE ME I'M NOT THE RETARDED ONE.

That is all.  :) What did you have for lunch today?

People, retarded is not a proper insult!
I haven't had lunch yet. I want pizza. Again. I luvs pizza.
My next av:
(http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u208/liverspout/food_pirate_pizza6.gif)

No, Feverish, don't change your avatar!  I just figured out yesterday that that's Queen!!

I know, I know, I didn't know who Queen is....

Okie Dokie. I'll keep it my Queen av. But I'm still gonna order some pizza! I eat too much pizza and then wonder why I gain weight. At least my boobs are bigger though, FTW.

I know, right?  It's worse here because everywhere you go, there's a Chick-fil-A.

BIG BOOBIES, FTW!!

Speaking of big boobs, I think I'll head to McDonald's for lunch. Have to maintain them and all.  :D

....I'm eating ice cream right now....

I'm making carrot cake as we speak. :)

is drinking coffee...not cooking, not cleaning and sitting on fat lazy ass.


 :lol:

Not eating, not drinking, cracked two molars in my sleep by grinding my teeth after a stressful day due to child acting up. So me is hurtie. Not as bad as poor Hecubus, but bad enough...

I love to get fries and an ice cream cone from macdonald's and dip the fries into the ice cream. It's quite yummy.
I don't like Chik Fil A.

Ohh Paden, I sympathize. I have wisdom tooth that is broke to bits. I am a broke person with no insurance, so I can't do anything about it, and it hurts like hell.

I used to dip fries in the frosties from Wendy's, but I haven't done it in so long that I forgot about it. I'm going to have to go get some fries and a frosty now.  :D

That sounds good too. They now have a vanilla frosty. Took them long enough.