PMBD

I'm not totally with you and not totally against you. But my only point, is if it's not legal to ask money for Sims stuff, why not let EA does their job. They made this community to make money, don't you see it. The ''community'' help them to buy their expansion (wich are not very good either). The Sims 2 was supposed to be a lot better, without needed patch for working good. Anyway, this is their problem if people ask money for stuff not yours. Don't have money to get donation stuff...your problem. The only thing that can happen is that a lot a site will close. If there was no cc, it's been a while that I had stop playing this game.

Are really don't understand why you are doing all this drama about paysite. It concerns EA Games only. Nobody forced you to buy something, are you just jealous for not be able to have all these pay stuff?

Really, you have to explain it to me. Ea Games pay you for making this or what?

I'm going to attempt to explain my opinion on this.
No one is not letting EA do their job or anything else.
No one is stopping paysites from charging obviously.
And no one is stopping us from downloading for free.
Neither party, for now, is forcing the other to do anything.
And you're right: no one if forcing us to buy anything, we can download it for free here.
Just like no one is forcing you or anyone else that doesn't agree to come here.
And in my opinion the people that start the drama are the people against this site.

If bruising a prima donna's ego is enough reason for them to close their site, so be it.
Since this site opened, only one has closed as a result. How many new ones have opened in that time? There will be no shortage of cc.

I download here because I don't want to pay for it. Plain and simple.

It may be the cheap reason but it's the truth.

Me too, why pay for it and spent money I can spent on shoes when you can get the stupid (and most of the time hideous) pixels for free!

It's not an issue of EA not doing enough hence the need for some modders to create CCs.  The onus for the disagreements of paysites vs. PMDB is that a lot of darned "artiste" are using this ruse to filch money from the community, when in fact they should accept donations solely for bandwith and maintenance costs.  Some other games have CC creators that do it solely for the love of the game and not to fatten their bank accounts.

Me too. Paying for a few pixels is ridiculous.

EA aren't doing anything because it is not profitable for them to do so. The only thing they have said about this issue can be paraphrased as 'Sort it out amongst yourself'. So as far as 'letting EA do their job' goes, it...really is a non-issue.



I'm not entirely sure what your point is supposed to be here. People download custom content (pay or otherwise), and STILL buy the expansions and stuff packs. I don't think I've ever seen anyone say 'I'm not gonna buy Pets (for example) because I spent all my money on paysites'



As everyone else has pointed out, only one site has closed, and that was her choice, and out of PRINCIPLE, not because she was run out of business and couldn't afford to keep the site open without selling a kidney, or anything like that, she just had a hissy fit. Oh, and if you'd stop playing if it weren't for custom content, you need a bit more challenge in your game...



It does not concern EA games only. It doesnt concern them at all. It concerns the rules they laid down, people breaking them, and other people who know no better, and waste their money. There is no jealousy here, the pay stuff is available, for free, and someone paid for it in the first place. This doesn't sound like an act of jealousy, or bitterness to me.



You just don't seem to understand the underlying principles of this, nor how EA works as a business, they're not going to leap in and fix anything, we're out here doing this for the community at large, and for ourselves.

Thank you all for your explanation (especially Jessrocket) I now understand your point of view a bit more. I red others topics and didn't found any answers. There's a lot of people fighting for this, but a lot didn't really know why. The simple ''don't want to pay'' is not a good point. Seriously, if you go shopping you pay for your purchase. World is crual as that! I do think that some sites have crap and they sell it...but I didn't thought that there were silly people to buy them.

In other hand, I think that there is no point for fighting for a game...it's just a fucking game! I don't really approuve the term community because EA game created it (don't want to debate on that, my opinion only and it can be long to explain) But I do think that this site is cool because you all think the same way, so I'm not going to tell you that what you think is not right or to stop that.  Get much fun as you can and good luck in your fight!

The thing is, that all of these items were paid for before they got put up here, otherwise how would we have gotten them?

I have spent much more money on pay content than I've paid on the actual game and all of the EP's!  And so if I want to share it, that's my business.  And a paysite owner can't tell me that I can't.  The only thing they're doing by refusing to let me pay for their "donation content" is refusing my money.  And pity for them that I can get it anyway. :P

Good thing I wasn't trying to make a good point, then. You asked for a reason, I gave mine.

I just have to say that I always find it really sad and pathetic when people have to resort to "you're just jealous" as an argument.

This was not an argument but a question. I just wanted to understand your view. That's it. I didn't accuse anybody of anything. I you think I have done it, then sorry, I didn't want to.

That's a perfectly fine argument. You're just jealous the voices speak to me, and not you.

I could afford any of the pay stuff I actually wanted to get. This is pure principle for me. I downloaded the following, absolutely free:
 
http://www.tessource.net/files/file.php?id=3063 "Oscuro's Oblivion Overhaul aims to enhance the sense of reward, immersion and realism with extensive changes to ES IV: Oblivion's gameplay structures."

http://www.gibberlings3.net/bg2fixpack/ "This collaborative effort, including the work of modders from several different modding communities, has resulted in a fixpack that currently includes all of the fixes addressed by Baldurdash (including the Game Text Update) and several hundred new bugfixes."

http://www.pocketplane.net/mambo/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogcategory&id=81&Itemid=66 "Kelsey is a brand-new, 100% original NPC for Baldur's Gate 2. Kelsey adds dozens of inter-party banters with all your favorite characters: Imoen, Jan, Minsc, Viconia, and more, as well as hundreds of new lines of quest interjections and advice dialogue."

http://www.team-gizka.org/downloads.html KotOR2 gameplay fixes.

Oh, and virtually everything from http://www.parsimonious.org/

That's a small sampling of the great things people have made for other people to enjoy, without getting one cent from it. Modders charging for custom content is disgusting. It hurts the community when one part of it sees another part as customers, rather than someone who enjoys the same hobby. How many of these paysite people don't even play TS2?

If people are only making things for TS2 to make money, and are not employed by EA, they should stop making things immediately and go do something else with their spare time. They're dragging the community down.

Actually I'm jealous that I'm nowhere near as awesome as you :(

Yes, I am so jealous of people spending money on things that really shouldn't have to be paid for.  I already spent money on the base game and the expansion packs, and for the new graphics card and RAM so I could play a SHINY game.  I don't want to pay for something that may or may not look good in game, with no hope for a refund.  I hate to waste money.

It's a good excuse if you're fifteen and living out a script of Degrassi TNG.  Other than that, it's a shallow response....

Or you have an awesome $25 weave.

*sigh*

And I really AM jealous of a $25 weave. Why did you have to bring it up?  :cry:

*sob*

As a matter of fact, EA built up a well organized system for custom contents sharing. This doesn't mean that it's the best system ever, or that we have to like it, but its rules are those which matter: the Exchange.

The Exchange is simple: you may upload cc stuff there, for free, that stuff will be automatically identified as yours from that moment on (i.e. credits), and that's it. You can't decide who, when or how your stuff will be downloaded: the EA decided.
Your choice is to share or not to share, not else.

You can also, of course, choose to avoid Exchange's system: you can share stuff p2p with your friends, put up a download site on you own, put up a download site for many people (i.e. MTS2, MATY, etc.), and so on: it's up to you.

BUT, every choice has its pros and cons: you want share your stuff on your site only, but you want proper credit anyway? You can ask for it, but you can't demand it, as if it were a right.
You can ask whatever you want, and hope that your wishes will be satisfied; if they will not be satisfied, well, pity. That's it.

The key of the whole querelle, I think, it's all in the difference between "to ask for" and "to demand as a right", all the rest is bullshit.

That weave thing is never going to get old

I've had weave before.
In the form of micro braids.
And it cost me like $230-$250 dollars.
Good luck getting a good $25 weave. lol

If I go shopping, I can see what I am buying. I can try on clothes, boots, other stuff to see IF it LOOKS GOOD on me. And best of all, it's always there. But with CC you close the game, close the computer and you have nothing. You've paid a ridiculous price for nothing.

I don't have a credit card. Pay pal doesn't work in my country. And I don't feel like spending MY hard earned cash on someones hobby, so they could buy dirty jockstraps.
 
It's not like someone's putting a gun to their head and saying "Create something!". If they don't enjoy it, they don't have to do it.

And there are people file sharing, yes, it is a cruel world.   :wink:

You got me! lol

And actually "don't want to pay" is actually a valid argument.
When I go to the mall, i don't have to pay.
I can just browse and see what I like.
Alot of people just browse.
And if on my way home I happen to meet some nice fella who wants to give me stuff for free, then I'll take it.

 :shock:

I hope for you that is not going to be an old nasty men who wants to give you his candy lol I'll have to call you OpenHouseJack then...

If you want to share files with friends, I don't see any problems. My problem is that there is a huge amount of people that don't have money to pay for those items and they take advantage of this cause to get donations (call it how you like) for free.

If you fight because you think that paysite is wrong because EA Games own all the copyright and nobody should break this law, then you got me on your side. If you are just too poor or your parents don't want that you use their credit cards to afford some items you want, and you fucking don't care about all this, then grow up. I wish I had eveything I want too but life isn't that way.

I do think NOW that paysite should stop, because some people had  good points and I agree with us, not because I want something for free. I have a job and I work hard, and if someone want to give me something, I'll not accept it, except if it's close friends or family. So if you just want something for free, please just download it and don't try to argue with something you don't understand.

And you can't compare files with t-shirts. When you buy something at the store and you decide to give it to somebody else. The only person who is going to own it, is the person that you gave this item. If I give you a file, and you give it to somebody else, we can be 1 million to own this file.

Don't compare apples with oranges. Don't you remember Napster?

That's the thing though, I wasn't throwing a fit because I couldn't have those payfiles or anything of the sort. I also have a job and I also work hard, I just don't feel like paying for something that isn't even theirs to sell in the first place. I never made a big deal over not being able to have them for free, I got over it and honestly never thought about it until I found this place.

You know, it's not just about the whole OMG FREE SHIT YEEEEEEE (although that seems to be the general reaction, and only because none of this was ever made available to them before).  I personally haven't looked at any of the stuff I downloaded because I don't have my game on me until we get a house, but there's a handful of people who have posted on the forum stating that they either deleted a lot of, if not all of, or simply store out of spite on their computer the content they downloaded here.  Why?  Because it sucked.  And since I downloaded so much, I can only assume that I'll be looking at all kinds of little errors and crap that bring down the quality of the the item.  I'm not jealous of the items, and even if I was stupid enough to pay, my dad would figuratively smack some sense into me about paying for that shit.

Why hate on the poor people?  Maybe they are trying to get out there and make some money so they got a couple of bucks to put towards something nice, who are barely making ends meet with the cash they got now.  No one should have to pay for someone else's hobby based on a video game.  And why hate on the kids that have parents that don't want money going towards paysites?  If I cared enough to ask my dad to foot the bill for a subscription to Peggy, he would figuratively smack sense into me and tell me it's not worth it for that kind of thing (and it's not that he's cheap--he's bought me some weird things over the years that I randomly ask for).

I could just as easily make do with all the free stuff that's already available (because I like to keep a teeny downloads folder, so I'm constantly pruning).  But since PSMBD is here, and I don't care either way how content comes up as long as it's properly credited (because I like to keep up-to-date on nice creations from talented CC creators) and not attached with malware, I'll keep downloading from here and I still am able to sleep at night.  Or during the day, as it is during the week-end.  :P

Edited because homophones are crazy.

That's all I wanted to hear!  :wink:

I don't blame kids or people that don't have a lot of money. But reading, the paystuff are now free at PSMBD was for me like ''hey they forgot to lock the door of their house''. But to steal something already stole, I think it make sense and it's not like stealing anymore. I think it is a good thing to inform people of the real thing. That's it!

Napster is not a good comparison either.  That was a direct fight with the record labels who owned the rights to the music being distributed illegally.  EA Games holds the rights here, and have given the green light to redistributing files in a non-profit format.

Now the paysites on the other hand...

They have taken the proverbial logo t-shirt, scribbled some things around the logo, and are calling it their own while claiming exclusive rights.  Then they turn around and do the one thing they were asked not to by the copyright holder - redistribute the t-shirt for profit.

you cannot claim rights to something that someone else (EA Games) already owns.  Don't believe me?  Just ask someone who's had the misfortune of a run-in with Mattel or Disney for copyright infringement.  Or ask HChangeri at the New and Improved Integrity Free Retail Sims.  She tried to claim exclusive rights to the Krispy Kreme logo and got her ass handed to her by their legal department.

Paysite owners (and creators in general) are subject to the terms of EA games, not whatever terms they feel like making up on the spot.  If they want to retain the rights to their work (photoskinning, blatant recoloring, claiming credit for non-sim mesher's work, and frankenmeshing of Maxis mesh parts excluded - none of that is their work), do not use the package files.  Sell your "independent" meshes at Turbosquid or your texture files at Deviant Art.

What I wanted to say, it's that Napster was sharing files...that's it. It's not like giving a cd to someone..you know. I totally agree with you for all the points!

Harley Davidson lawyers go after little garage sale leather workers who put the Harley logo on handmade wallets.

Ditto. Especially the dad smacking some sense in you part.

 :lol:
That is so NOT what I meant.
I meant that I would rather have stuff for free than pay for it.




*insert projectile vomiting here*
I'm not a prostitute.
And I wouldn't want a dirty jock strap even if it was free!
But thanks for your concern.  :wink:

I was scared for a minute, now I'm reassure!  :wink:

Openhousejack would surely become quite the bitch, if you horned in on his prostitution and jockstrap racket...

This is why I love this site - it makes everyone conform to the legal rules agreed to when you first installed everything:



EA obviously believes that they are the only ones entitled to make money out of it, as they invented it, and therefore, I will not pay someone who uses free tools and other free things to make something and have me pay for the privilege.

If I pretended I cared about EA, I'd be lying. EA is a horrible company. It's not about their EULA for me, it's about smacking down greedy people. Game mods should always live free.

Word, homie. 8)

EA is greedy people.  You should see the notice they added to Battlefield 2142.  *gag*

I could google it. But I be lazy and also technically working on a paper. What's the notice?

After you open the game there's a notice stating that installing the game will install spyware on your computer.  Besides that they're running with this new "buy items for games" thing with games other than The Sims.  You can buy new guns for Battlefield 2!  Ridiculous.

Are these guns pretty? Have they got a nice glitter effect on them, and a new daintier mesh?

or are they like the majority of CC out there and blow off your hand because the trigger is on backwards.

Which, to be fair, would add a nice element of variety to an FPS..

My issue with the whole paysite thing is not really the "I want something for free" (though I do) or the striking down of paysites because they are operating in opposition of EA's EULA (which they are and therefore must be destroyed).

My biggest issue is that if I go to the mall to pay for something, then there is a guarantee associated with what I purchased.  I can look at and examine or even try on an item before I buy it.  If I get home and it doesn't work, or in most cases if I just don't like it, I can return it for my money or at minimum an exchange or store credit.  

However with paysites, you cannot inspect items before purchasing - most pictures of items are touched up to cover flaws and presented at flattering angles.  Any picture of an object will never truly represent how it will look in-game. But I can't return the item for my money back - even if it is completely defective and grossly misrepresented.

If these paysite owners want to operate in a free trade society, then they can't be facists about the way they conduct business.

You know, that is precisely my biggest issue with it, but I've never put it into words.  Thanks :)

I certainly wouldn't ever have donated to PeggySims if I'd known most of the stuff was crap.   :roll:    Never again.

stupid head,

no ones jealous

You dug up a topic that hasn't been posted in in almost a month, just to say that? Wow.

Necromancy is bad, m'kay?