PMBD

A MESSAGE FROM:

Pimp my Sims.com is gone (for a while)
Hi everyone,

as some of you may know, there is a controvers discussion in the Sims 2 community, wether EA does tolerate pay content (or donation, as it is called most times) or not. Some pirate pages have been active for some time, distributing pay site content for free.

Pimp my Sims.com did not take part in this discussion, as I (to be true) do not care a shit (sorry for this language, but it's the only word, that fits to it) about it. I still think, nobody is forced to buy pay content and if you do not like to buy it, just browse to a free site and get tons of content, that is at least at good as the pay sets of some donation sites. But i do also understand people, that are annoyed by 3rd class content, which is sold for lots of bucks.

So why do we close Pimp my Sims.com, if we do not offer pay content and if everything is free to download for everyone? As I get more and more pissed about the attitude of some people, which do not fight against pay sites anymore, but tend to broaden their fight against all creators, that DARE to DEMAND something.

If some of you guys (a really small minority, as I really like our visitors and the positive feedback is really great!) think, that I am a egomaniac asshole, which has nothing in his life which is worth a damn shit, and therefore has to push his ego and sick brain by running this site, asking for credits or enjoying positive feedback, there has something gone damned wrong.

THIS does destroy a community, NOT a pay content site which nobody needs. This attitude of "F*ck you, I do not care, if you would like to have anything back, I just do, whatever I like to", that you should really consider, if The Sims 2 and our FREE content is right for you.

I do not expect you guys to worship any creator, I do not expect anybody to adore our creations, I do not expect to be a god or hero, but I DO EXPECT SOME RESPECT! It takes lots and lots of time to create content, run a site like Pimp my Sims.com, answer mails etc. etc. AND IT COSTS MONEY!

And i do REALLY hate, if those guys tell me, EA owns everything and therefore, they (those people, not EA) can do with our content, whatever they would like to. I am NOT a LAWYER, but I am a human being, that ASKS FOR RESPECT! So if you do think, that EA owns everything, this does not mean, that you have to kick my ass at every opportunity! We do grant you guys lots of rights to work with our content, so YOU should RESPECT this!

So why do I do this? As I ENJOY, if YOU ENJOY our content. And I enjoy, if 10k visitors per day browse Pimp my Sims.com. YES, that is some kind of satisfaction for me, but I do not think, anybody has the right to condemn me for that!.

Here is a short summary of our Terms of use:

You are allowed to use all of our content for your houses
You are allowed to use all of our content for sims
We ask for credits, if you use our content (no money, no worshipping, just "content by PmS used, check them out here).
Is this really that exorbitant? Do we ask for impossible things? Is anybody really forced to sell his soul to use our stuff? I do not think so, but if I do read the postings of some people, it seems to be so.

To repeat this:

ALL OFF OUR STUFF IS FREE!
MOST Of OUR STUFF IS HIGH QUALITY!
LOTS OF PEOPLE SEEM TO LIKE PIMP MY SIMS.COM
So I do just ASK FOR SOME RESPECT! If you would like to use our content, give credits. And do not tell me to be sick in mind or an egomaniac asshole creator, which is forcing poor users to worship him like a god. I DID NEVER and WILL NEVER do so, so if you think, i am, just leave and never come back.

I wish you all the best and if you got the time, please think about it.

AND AGAIN: I think, 99.5% of you guys are really great people. But I am not willing anymore to accept "I take what I want, no matter, what someone is asking for" mentality.

Please excuse any misspellings etc., as I am no native speaker and I am not in the mood to double check every word in this text.

Kind regards

Solander
Webmaster Pimp my Sims.com

Pimp my Sims.com will be back on Wednesday, the 25th of July.

:/  I know none of us would demand something from him, since he's a free site, but I know there are others out there that just demand stuff....and his views on paysites and whatnot are irrelevant to me as he's free but this is what we don't want.  We don't want free sites to eventually close (I know he's taking a break and whatnot)

But I must say drama in this community is neverending, it's better than any soup ever made.

Ouch, I think my brain died :? Anyone else going 'wha?' after reading this?

So...she/he hates people having a go at paysites, she/he doesn't run a paysite but has costs, but is still taking her/his toys and running?

Or is my brain now so mushy after reading that I'm all confused? :?

He's running but coming back.  He just wants some R-E-S-P-E-C-T.  I just have this feeling that he was planning on doing a redesign of the site and it was gonna go offline for a while anyways and used this as an opportunity to spout.

I'm sorry. Didn't Kate at Parsimonious address this WITHOUT taking her toys and going home?

I'm not sure why he lumped the anti-paysite movement into the whiners movement...we clearly don't support that sort of thing.

Alas.

At least he'll be back.

Here is my opinion, for what it is worth:

Paysites - Destroy them all - don't harrass, pirates are too cool and smooth for that, we plunder and take the goods

Freesites - In order for these sites to feel more comfortable or accepting of paysite destruction, we need to leave them be.  No nasty remarks or cutting down, no posting shit in their guestbooks other than "thanks".  If you don't like something - hey - don't download it or use it.  Simple.  I also think we need to make sure to thank the freesites we visit frequently and download their items.  Thanking a creator is a matter of courtesy and is much better than exchanging money.  I now sign guestbooks with Armywife, PMBD Member so that I am not hiding and also that they see we are "the good kind of evil".  You are not required to thank anyone, but you are also not required to be a shithead and be insulting.  

There are a select few in the community at large who just like stirring up drama because they lack having a life.  Just my thoughts/opinion for what it is worth.

EDIT: I only posted this because it did reference paysite/anti-paysite

I don't think I've ever been there before - too realistic for my tastes.



Yeah, cause I don't know what the hell this has to do with paysites - but you know, we're all behind the all the evil in the world somewhere.  :wink:  Just today I made sure to rip out the last 20 pages of every mystery including Harry Potter - just to cause mischief for my master - Pescado AKA Satan.

The real question is - what have you done for evil today?  Paysites are our acclaimed target, but we all know the evil plans hatched here - for everything.

it is psychological war guidance against the Piraten and against people, which accept the rights EAs.

You're not the only one.  My brain hurts now.

I agree that we should let the free sites alone, and even thank them for their content.  I am very grateful to them for sharing their creations 100% free.  However, I find it annoying that someone else is crying "OMG I put so much work into this - I should get to decide where it goes dammit!  Respect meeeeee!"  It's a fucking hobby, for crying out loud.  If you don't enjoy doing it, ffs, then simply stop.  Yes, it may take time, patience and a whole lot of talent, but that does not take away from the fact that EA does in fact govern what can and cannot be done with what ultimately becomes their property.

Also I can't speak for anyone else, but I've personally never harrassed anyone.. not a paysite.. not a free site.  I simply do not support paysites, and I am all for collecting their creations and distributing them for free.

*Goes off to find some rum*

I think he just wants some attention. Or maybe he was planning to go pay sometime in the future. Who knows. I honestly don't care.

I just want to be clear - since several people are now talking about this pirating of free sites issue.

WE DO NOT PIRATE FREE SITES. We ONLY have pay items in the booty. If there's a free item in there, it is in error OR it is on a pay rotation (see TSR).

It makes me wonder if someone else...DLMuslow, perhaps...has done some freesite stealing in the name of 'piracy'...and has given the rest of us a bad name.

It is only the attempt to rush the user against the Piraten. there is transparent lies, it is war

*Nods*  That is very clear to me and has been from day one, and I'm new here. :)  Some of the people complaining about pirates should seriously take the time to come here and do some reading.

I was, more or less, referring to people who leave nasty messages in guestbooks, etc.  I know that kind of activity is not encouraged or condoned here, which is one of the reasons I chose to be a part of this site.  You all do it the right way.

I dont get much of what Solander said.  I'm assuming someone didn't credit them or something similar, because I don't really see what else could have happened.  Their TOS allows uploading with lots, etc.  So that can't be the problem.  And if he doesn't "care a shit", then why is he getting involved?  And if it is such a "real minority", and he is so pissed about the community being destroyed, then why is he adding to the destruction and closing his very popular site for awhile.  I lose respect for people who feel the need to take the toys away and sit us in a corner for awhile.  Ugh.  It's sad that free creators are being tormented, but they shouldn't let a few 12 year olds get to them so much.  
I wish he would have given more details.

Same here. Like most others, I'm still unsure what the hell he's ranting about. He typed alot but didn't say much.

Well, I really like Pimp My Sims. But what I don't like is being blamed for all the negativity in the sims community. The vast majority of negativity is coming from paysites FREAKING OUT because they're losing MONEY. Money they've come to believe they're ENTITLED to.

Also, it appears to me that there are going to be artists, both good and bad who just can't handle the idea that what they create DOESN'T belong 100% to them. EA's role in creating the game engine, codes and tools, that allowed them the opportunity to showcase their creative abilities,  just doesn't figure into their equation. They feel threatened by the recent developments in the community.

Regardless, as the current debate changes the face of the community (for the better...honest debate does that), creators are going to come and go. We'll gain some and lose some.

I don't get what the heck he is on about either. As people has stated already,  we only have pay items in the booty, and at least I never harass any free site. I too wish he could have given some details.

I do agree with armywife though. If someone from here has harrassed a free site, we should do some serious prodding with sharp sticks.

But wait, there's more.

Gwendolyne's favorite Teutonic Twat (or is she mine?) is REALLY giving back to the community now:

(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u194/MusicalMaven/NoFreebees.jpg)

Nice, huh?

Of course, her shit borks my game...so I'm not exactly bothered.

Jeeez, it seems we are separating the chaff from the grain. Or something.

Teko also strikes  8)

Wow, that is plain evil.  And since when does EA not make a clear statement.  That girl is delusional.  Blame the pirates for taking away free downloads! LOL!!! What a load.  She's just doesn't want her kiddy followers figuring out that all she is a greedy bitch.
ETA: To me that is just more proof paysites are dying slow and painful deaths.

EA can't get any clearer.  Paysites are illegal.  They've said this now many times.  Seriously, she needs to wake the hell up and pull her head out of her arse.

2 words - Fuck You

PS: Marilu - I've got an Amex Exp Gold Card and I ain't afraid to use it.  EDIT: NAH NAH NAHNAH NAH   :P

So, it's a planned action and it seems to be centered around the German pro-paysite cc creators.

Solander can't go the "they're stealing my pay files and putting them in the booty so no free objects for you" route. Instead he's ranting about people not crediting his creations when used and making cc demands of him on the pirates. How utterly ridiculous. Sounds to me like he just wanted to look cool to the paysite "big kids" and this was his "attempt". More like a fail.

 :roll:

Their attempt punish downloaders by taking their toys away is only going to push downloaders to completely free sites. They really do not understand how mindless downloading is or how fickle downloaders are.

that is absolutely correct, one calls it also extortion & asozial

I don't know how you all read what the Pimp My Sims guy wrote.  My eyes glossed over after the start of the second paragraph.  

The guy needs to get laid or smoke some weed or something..

Oh, do elaborate on that one. It sounds familiar, but I likely missed it if it occured in the last two months.

Also, it does seem like someone's spreading shit around given how many people are under the impression we're out to destroy free sites. In fact, if I had to go out on a limb here, it's probably someone we all know very well and they don't actually own a paysite.

I agree with Clementyne and Feverish. I wish he’d given more details, because I’d like to know what or if something happened. I mean, just a thought, but if it was for instance somebody repeatedly ‘stealing’ his creations and passing them off as their own, I can understand his anger. I’d feel the same.  :(

And although I’m not the greatest conspiracy theorist, Hecubus does have a point. I could imagine certain people doing something like that and pretending to be pirates, so the blame would fall on anti-paysite people. In love and war, you know ...

The Sims2 Studio thing is really silly. There's no logic in that argument, and I never liked punishing a whole community for what a few individuals may do.  :roll:

Aquamarine, you're right. There is a freesite owner going around smearing for all they're worth. Why? Because they're bored, feel slighted, and are acting petulant. Oh, and because it's the only thing left in their arsenal now.




Edited for a typo.

I've been surprised at that one too.  That 'someone' hasn't leapt all over it going "See! See! Told you!"  Anyway, they will only make more people have to come here if they want any content at all from those sites.  

This whole thing reminds me of this avi:

(http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/6757/avatar12800nn4.jpg)

First of all, Hello. I'm Ry or mmekare79 but some of you know either name, or neither.
I would like to agree with PeachFish and go ahead and ask whether or not this guys a known drama king or what?
I've been reading through the forums here...and reading, whew...there's a lot of stuff.
But i actually think that IF this guy isn't one of the whiny creators, as i've seen some evidence of in a few posts in this thread, then he is right on the mark.
Respect and so and so made this is what it's all about.
That's all it SHOULD be about atleast, IMHO.
If I could make something worthwhile for the game, all I'd expect is that someone said, Hey, Ry made this, not me.
Then you  could shove it in a house, on a sim and send it china for all i would care.
So if this guy is really just wanting a little respect, I say give it to him.
On the other hand if he's actually done this before or whatever, i guess I could have kept my mouth shut....although I'm sure some of you may think that either way...lol.
At any rate all i wanted to say was this:
i have been lurking this site and SFV *Hi SIH, we need to chat, eh? I'd like to have a few words with you if you don't mind, darlin'*
Anyways, i have been lurking and reading and my god. i am appalled at the things that have been going on around the sims "community". I've been around a while, but gone some too, so I am a bit lost with some of these people.
But really, i have to admit that from what i have seen lately this forum and even SFV are a whole helluva lot more respectful than any other forums i've been to lately, filsharing or no.
I guess I shouldn't use this thread to get out all i have to say..lol. So yeah...ya'll have a great day, I'd appreciate any input on the character of this guy to help me decide my final opinion, which ill share if anyone wants.. :lol:
riiiiiight..... 8)
i do want to say, though, that i have found the spend your money better site and all the other sites like that and kudo's. I'm not a computer whiz or anything but that is something i'd like to help out with if anyone needs anything. Bravo to that site, and you know what...bravo to this one to.
I've been wading in the booty and I don't give a shit who knows it.
~Ry

Insight on Solander:
http://phorum.mustnotbenamed.com/search.php?search_author=Solander

Thanks. I guess I coulda done that myself, eh? :oops:  :lol:

You could have but then I wouldn't have found this post by him. I'm quoting it here because it's relevant to this thread:



This post can be found here: http://phorum.mustnotbenamed.com/viewtopic.php?t=77&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=60

I guess the actually revamping site/using the first thing that comes to mind as a lame excuse to run with toys and get attention is the theory that I find most convincing. He almost sounds like someone who deep inside wished he had a paysite and is kinda frustrated that he doesn't. I don't know, but attacking us pirates on such an occasion where we obviously had nothing to do with, seems just too absurd and weird.

Also, the guy has anger issues and needs to get a life outside of the Sims! It's summer for Chrissake is it possible he has nothing interesting or exciting to do/plan/think about?!

Hi everyone,

seems, everytime i try to explain something difficult in english, it gets worse than before.

And before I do answer this, i would like to say, that i am kind of disappointed. You could send me a mail, ask me or whatever. I did leave the contact form and guestbook open. But instead, you speculate and speculate, tell me a drama king and whatever else.

Ok, let's start.



I did not say anything against you. I just said, I believe, that anyone can sell his stuff, but i do also understand people, that think, they are not allowed to do so. But thats not my war and i do not take part in it, as Pimp my Sims.com is free and will be free, so i do not have to worry about any interpretations of EULAs, EA statements or whatever.

If you guys check out the link posted above to the thread, where my blog posting was discussed, you can see, that i am not a drama king or anything like this. I am a person, whom you can talk to and who will not start to scream a second later.

Neither did I say, that you guys did steal my stuff nor did I say, that YOU are the persons I am talking about. I just wanted to post an introduction to make the whole context clear. As the "creators do not have any rights" statements where used in the context of this discussion.

It was my sole decision to close down PmS for three days to signal, that I just would like to respected for offering my content. As I did write, I do not expect to be worshipped. Why should anyone do so? I do not see a point to do so. But I do want to get some R-E-S-P-E-C-T for the work, we do. We offer lots of free downloads for The Sims 2 and we have user friendly sharing rules (as explained). So if some people tell me, even this is TOO demanding, I feel like they are taking me on a ride. What else do people want? High quality content for free with terms of use, which allow all common uses like sharing with houses/sims/including meshes in recolor packages. Paying them for using my stuff?

And all we ask for, are credits. But if I get told, that one would not give credits for content, as it is bothersome to create a simple list with links, than I do really get pissed.



Hi, nice to read you here, my darling :)

May I post one statement of you?



I'll translate it for you guys, as only few of you may understand german.




Thats one good example for what pisses me on. I JUST SAY, that most creators, that run their own site, do this for the reason to get somewhat like a name or whatever. Among other reasons. They do the work, which is related to running a website, they do pay the costs. But in fact, I DID NEVER COMPLAIN about it. Our content is free. And what is the answer to it? Some persons, that did fight against paysites before, now start getting personal on free site creators, that dared to say, they feel good, if people like their stuff.

I am definetely not a saint, but is this really that bad? The motivation, which makes me run Pimp my Sims.com, should not care anyone a shit. I do it, thats it. And for offering this service to everyone, I do ask for credits. Thats all. I do not force anyone, who creates own downloads, to apply the same rules as I do. I do not force anyone to pay. I do just ask for credits.

And what's the comment? You are a very, very sick egomaniac, which has to push his ego.

Roxelane's posting was just "The last straw that breaks the camels back", but it hit me more than many mails before.

Maybe you know do understand, why I got that pissed.

And again: I did not say with one single word, that I make YOU responsible for this. I just said, some people seem to loose their countenance and start fighting everyone, that it out there.

And i have nothing in common with pay sites clothing now. I did this for myself and did not ask anyone to do so. Magenta closed her free site too, as we did talk about the attitude of "take and do not give" some time ago", but it was my sole decision and i did not ask anyone to support me.

As i did write before: I do not care about your war against pay sites. It's your war, not mine, so i wont' bother you and you should not bother me.

Solander

Solander - Let me say that I was the one who posted this to begin with.  I posted it because it gave your view of paysites vs. freesite debate.  If you will look further down the page, you will see that I also had an opinion of how freesite owners should be treated as well.  I do not know and do not understand what your beef with Roxelane is and frankly, that should be taken up between the 2 of you.

For the record, may I say, that I do indeed use a lot of things from PmS site.  I do think there are many wonderful creations that you have made as a contribution to the Sims community.

But, there's always a but isn't there?  A message that says what I translated to be "Thank me now you ungrateful people" is probably not the best way to gain any appreciation for hard work.  Since English is not your primary language, it translates to those of us who are fluent as very negative and fit-throwing.  While I understand people get burn-out, even in everyday life as a wife and mother I get burn-out, I don't believe that you are going to receive the response you may have been hoping for or expecting.

A suggestion?  Reword your statement.  I don't believe that I personally have said anything to insult you.  And, unless you see fit to direct your frustrations at me, I won't.  I do hope that things get better for you.  I probably should have said "thanks" at least once for all the things I have that you created.  Maybe you could put a "thanks" botton or something that will make it easier.  So, from me to you "thank you for the items that I have in my game that you have created, I do appreciate it"

AW

I made the drama king remark, i don't *think* it was used before me, but I could be wrong. At any rate, I was not calling you one, I was asking if you were one..lol. I swear there's a difference.
I actually agree with you. I think it really shouldn't be too much to ask to say a simple *you do good work, thanks for the downloads* I try to make my rounds at all the places I download to let the creators know they have a fan.
But demanding won't get anyone anywhere. It kind of makes people sound childish and petty.
Not everyone is going to be able to say thank you, but I do think more people should. And a nice comment on a site that says, "My stuff is free, you can wear it, wade in it or take it to dinner as long as you remember to thank me." Is much better than going to a site to see something like what that lady said, "No free downloads anymore...yada yada." *on a side note I wonder if she realizes that's just more for the crew to put into the treasure chest?*

Anyways, if this were a perfect world the creators would create simply to share and bless other peoples games with awesome shit. And the downloaders would be like, yeah that's awesome, thanks! without having to lick a cheek, and that would be enough.
Then we could donate for real bandwidth costs and everyone would be happy.

but this is the REAL world and if it wasn't this it would be something else. Some people simply like to stir the pot, others won't get off it and yet others want to use it to make goulash.

/ramble
I swear i had a point but i seem to have lost it...lmao.

Nicely put.

The problem then, Solander, is that you structured the post of yours that was quoted in the first page of this thread in such a way that it seemed as if you were blaming people here (and other likeminded places) as responsible for your decision to close your site. I'm sorry that you felt slighted by someone else's comments (or by a perceived lack of respect, however I don't read German so I don't frequent those boards to get the whole story, I'm afraid), but unfortunately, not everyone is going to like you or understand why you made your decisions. The quoted post, unfortunately, strongly implied blame to people who are arguing from this side of the fence even if this is not what you intended.

Not every person that comes to your site is going to behave in a way you like, or give you the respect that you deserve, it is unfortunate though that you assumed that it was people on this side of things who were doing this to you. Here, we get bizarre postings and all kinds of weird arguments from the paysite side of things (I've been called stupid and irrational a few times here), but I would never assume that this is the majority opinion of the intelligent debator or of most paysites. Leaving is a decision that you make on your own for your own reasons, and it is not fair to blame your own decisions on other people. If this isn't enjoyable for you anymore, or you don't feel like you get enough credit for your hard work then you should leave (or take a break, or make stuff just for yourself, or whatever), but don't imply that it is about something unconnected.

I did enter a new paragraph on my site



Maybe the text is somewhat rude, but "fuck you, download XY doesnt work" and messages like this make me sick. And I do not ask for THANK YOU, THANK YOU, i ask for some respect. And one point is giving credits, if someone uses our stuff. That's it.

If you native speakers consider the text to be unreadable, a slightly revised version with the same meaning would be really appreciated

See, that actually makes more sense.  Now I understand better what you were saying vs. the long letter from before.  In light of that Solander, do you think that we are the only ones who are going to interpret your letter the way we did?  You have here a large and diverse group who are completely honest.  We didn't PM one another and talk about it - we posted it and responded.  Do you honestly think we will be in the minority based upon what you have written?  If it were me, I would put a short little note saying "PmSs is closed until July 27th.  I am closing for a few days to take a short vacation from creating.  The guestbook will still be available for you to post in.  If you enjoy the things you download from here, I would love to hear from you.  A vacation is needed due to some very negative behavior regarding PmSs and those who use my creations without credit.  YadaYadaYada

I can't tell you what to say or do, but I definitely would really really really rethink that long letter.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v426/evilredduckie/Misc/murano.jpg)

Interesting.



We weren't. They're having the exact same reaction to the letter over at SFV as we've had here.

Isn't resepct bieng thankful for your hard work, like ArmyWife said she was? I wholeheartedly agree that if a creator allows whatever to be done with thier stuff, they should be credited with atleast a text credit or link.
I dont think anyone really DISagree's with that aspect, here.

Thank you for the proposal.

I did change the text to



Maybe that shows some of you guys, that I am definetely willing to communicate with you and that i am a person, which also does listen to what someone else does say.

I did not mean to hurt anyone here, so if I did so, please excuse me, but when I did write the text, i was REALLY pissed and for me, the text was perfectly clear. But maybe every text, one writes in a foreign language, is perfectly clear to oneself ;)

Roffles!  Wow, how many lies can people be caught in?  For this scheme of theirs you would think they would actually talk to each other and agree on what their story is.

Here is another site doing it also, Meshkiste  :roll:



Silly Drama  :roll:

*begs for rum and cookies*  :cry:

I did not lie. Why should i do so. If you can read the german board, than you know, that i did say the truth. I would say so, if i did. But telling me, that i am lying, is not fair. The fact, that someone says, he supports me or whatever could be seen on this evidence screen, says nothing about wether i did know about it before or not.

missangelica - I actually think it is a coicindence.  I don't think one has to do with the other.  If it were a paysite vs. freesite issue, I don't think Solander would have had any problem telling us that at all.

If I'm wrong, I'll bring the rum.

*is still waiting for rum*
Armywife hates me...lol

Eh, she's always like that.  No worries, Solander, I read the board and I do believe you.  However, can you explain Murano for me since they reference your statement on their site?  My understanding is TEKO is going to TSR.  But, if I misunderstood that since I don't speak German, let me know.  

*Gives ry rum and cookies *

They do reference me, but i did not speak to them in front of my "measure". It's like someone references to your board, saying "like this site, i like to destroy every pay site". This person would not necessarily have talked to you before.

*jumps for joy*
Mmmm rum and cookies.

I can't read anything over there. Perhaps (s)he's a friend of his and is just trying to back him up?

I think that was their motivation, but i can't confirm this.

Oh, "coincidence" that the german paysites close their sites for a few days the same time as him and one even gives credit to him. :roll:

If you want to ignore it then that's your prerogative but this whole thing is just an insult to the community.  Respect goes both ways and if they feel they have to pull this stunt to get it, they are sorely mistaken.  I will laugh when it blows up in their faces.

Kalliope - you're not worth the typing - goodbye

Thanks, Solander.  You're welcome here and glad that you answered questions and responded.  I appreciate it.

*gives ry more rum and cookies cause she's a beggin wench*

Solander, for whatever your reasons were to take a break, they have used you for their own purpose and that is sad. They now draw you into this in a big way. Whether you meant it as a stand for paysites vs. freesites or not, you are now their excuse to do what they did today. Funny thing is, I don't miss any of them, they could stay offline forever and it would not hurt me. The ones that have used you to make a point are the ones who are arrogant and think they are worth more than they are. Simmers can live without their stuff. They did before they came a long, and they will long after they leave. This is just a game, not a life or death situation.

I like your stuff, and think you do need a break because no one should have to read the mail you have gotten, but those that chose to use you, I could care less about them.

Have a good "vacation" and enjoy, take some time to relax. :D

We are not picking on creators.  We are trying to get paysite creators to understand that what they are doing is WRONG.  EA has made their stance on this perfectly clear. Paysite owners descisions took the fun out creating.  Not us.  We are trying to give the fun of the game back to everyone in the community, not just those with extra money to burn.  
And yes I have a life and yes I go outside my computer everday.  Why do you think only paysite creators have a life?

ETA: Thanks Solander for giving us details.  I'm sorry only .0004% thank you, so thankyou from me.  But do you really want 1.5 million "Thanks" in one guestbook  :)  :wink:

Mm mm. Keep 'em coming honey, soon I'll be drunk enough to give a show that will knock all your eye patches off. :lol:


And I don't see anything wrong with backing up a pal, as long as that's what's going on and (s)he isn't using the PmS thing as an excuse to throw a tizzy.

Ok I'm taking bets: This is either a Marilu asskisser or a Teko asskisser.

NO BETS UNDER 5 BUCKS AND/OR A BOTTLE OF RUM.

No, we have plenty of other reasons to 'pick on' Marilu. She's admitted her unrepentant greed and callousness. And frankly, her creations are not as good in quality as many free creators - buyer beware. (Her stuff completely borked my game.)



We dislike greed. We dislike people who are in breach of a contract that expects user-created content to be free. We dislike the expectation that we should pay for - in many cases - poor quality.

We're pirates. We express our dissatisfaction in bold, open terms, We are NOT touchy feely 'thanksthisisgreat'. We speak our minds. And we are forthright.

Period.

If you read that as hatred, fine. We're not terribly inclined to change.



I just think it's awful that - intended or not - we have gotten tied in with the idiots who make demands of free creators. We are not those people. We CELEBRATE free content - even the bad stuff.

Look. We get bombarded here too with demands that we upload the set from TSR that was just released five second ago, and subsequently get angry PMs when we say 'no', or worse, ignore them.

We are NOT the people who caused Kate to post her letter to the community. We are NOT the people who caused Solander to bring his site down (and I believe he's corrected his statements - thank you).

We ARE, however, the people who are making Marilu/Birgit/Sasilla/Teko/Thomas/Janna/Peggy/Rose/Mikey/etc. upset. THAT we can handle. As long as they are in breach of contract with EA, we'll continue to follow that contract, share their stuff, and poke sticks.

So they piggybacked essentially onto Solander's idea?  If that's the case then I apologize for calling you, Solander, a liar.  

The Teutonic Twats seem to hit new lows every day!  It's awe inspiring in a way.

I'm in for 5 bottles on the Marilu asskisser!

Accepted. I'm off now. Nice evening/day/morning or whatever.

HELL YES!  Raise the flag - go Mama Hec!  WooHoo!  

Red - I see your 5 and raise you 10.

Psst, Mikey, still cracking my ass up.  

*takes rum away from ry because we cannot have drunk pirates running amouk*

:cry:


Do I have to walk the plank now?
Or will you throw me in the brig?
 :lol:

All hail Hecubus and pointy sticks!  As for having no life outside of the computer, I don't recall anyone here claiming to spend eight hours a day creating meshes, and using that as a reason to charge for them.  Perhaps that person (Sasilla, if I'm not mistaken) should get a life, or a real job.
And for what it's worth, I've always liked PMS, and have expressed thanks in the guestbook.  Solander, I use your first kitchen set quite frequently, cause I like it lots.

Oh please people it's only a few people who shut down their site. But why are we attacking a free creator. I thought this was PAYSITES must be destroyed, not free creators must be destroyed.

I also think it's a little funny that nobody attacked HP when she did something similar. She was planning to stop creating altogether.

Creating custom content is not just a walk in the park. It's hard shit, it takes less time to make barbecue ribs then to create a mesh. When people bitched at Kathy about the inSimenator did she have a right to get pissy? Absolutely, it took Eric almost 2 1/2 years to make that mod. He could've done many other things with his time but he did it for us. And Solander is sharing his high quality content. The meshes don't have glitches, no gaps or bleeding through walls, no sky high poly counts, and most of all he actually listens to you if you *respectfully* point out an error. Criticism like this makes creators want to stop sharing.

Who criticized Corinne (aka MissDirtyNapalm) when she stated that all the fire she gets from whiny children made her want to pull all her uploads and stop creating? Nobody. Nobody criticized HP either. I just think closing down the site for a while is Solander's way of making a wake-up call.

Point is, we want free creators to keep making wonderful content for us. He even stated that he wasn't attacking us or SFV. He just said that even though charging money for content may be wrong the movement may have given people the idea the creators are completely obligated to them. And they're not.

PS: I also remember HP's post being just as angry if not more than Solander's.

Slayer, if you read through the original letter, you can see our issue was that we were lumped in with the whiny idiots who harrass free site owners and some renagades who ARE actual content thiefs. We felt we were being blamed for something we simply did not do.

And as you can see, statements - and positions were clarified.

Slayer, I like you, but please...read the whole thread before making a comment that shows you haven't done your homework.

Remember, I have an axe!  :D

Who are you?

THANK GOD SOMEONE FINALLY ASKED THE QUESTION!  I am so lost, I can't find my ass with a compass.

Here is the translation, damned if I know:

In this sense: The life is not Ponyhof, above all not for us amateur handicraftsman possible should we really once all for ne certain time make. GDL lets greet. Unfairly the people opposite, which are innocent at the thing and downloaden simply only gladly, but possibly must also times which on sides of the amateur handicraftsmen happened. Because I have no support that the Piratenseiten becomes ever more violent. We can be pleased so many things, nevertheless continue we. Also without a word of the Dankeschoens. Yes, it must be not times money. A simple THANKS does it sometimes also. But even one gets in the all-rarest cases!

:lol:
I didn't know they made compasses for that type of thing, hun.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v208/Pilippi/WTF.jpg)

Maybe we should wait until Gwen gets here. That made no sense to me except for the bolded sentences.

I didn't want to do this, it being Sunday and everything, but here we go.  I don't know who you are.  I don't know what website you are.  I don't have a fucking clue what you are talking about.  I have neither harrassed you or bothered you in anyway.  If you have something you would like to say, fine, no problem.  I ask that you use English since that is the language in use at THIS board.

I don't recall your name being mentioned by one person here before you posted.  Nor did I see anyone call you a Teutonic Twat - are you volunteering yourself as Head Twat or what?  Just what is the point?

I really need a beer, rum and a nap.  Good grief.  We may be pirates, but we DO NOT - WILL NOT - PROMOTE ANY ABUSE OF FREE SITE OWNERS.  Is that clear, I mean is it PERFECTLY FUCKING CLEAR?  

HTR - I am still laughing...I hurt...damn you and your cat

I think it says that we're responsible for people not getting thanks or something. It sounds like it's actually confusing two separate issues (we're mean, and so everyone who is mean must be connected to us). I'm not sure, hopefully someone with a really good grasp of German can translate it.

Again, I'm sorry that people don't feel like they're getting appropriate thanks and credit, however every cruel word or lack of thanks should not be connected to us. How we feel about paysites is separate from how we feel about creators, especially when they are free creators (like Solander, for example). Don't assume that just because someone writes "Ur Lame! and U totaly Suck!!!" in your guestbook, that it would be endorsed by people here.

Mando - are you saying you think my message was a little harsh?

Ha, ha, ha! Nope, I know how sweet and kind you are :lol: . Not harsh at all, especially since everyone's repeated the same thing about four or five different times.

I was still typing when a bunch of other people (including you) were posting, and just ended up at the end there.

I'm sorry for that. I did read the letter and I think it only implied that pirates are also whiny creators. Some pirates are, some aren't. It just pisses me off to see people attack free site owners/content creators. People attacking Delphy, people attacking HP, and now a couple people in this thread are attacking Solander.

I was more responding to people who were attacking him, other people outside this forum too.

I don't think Solander meant to lump us in the same group as thieves and whiny children. I think he only wrongly worded his letter for 2 reasons: 1.) He was pissed off. 2.) His english isn't as well as ours.

Yes I saw the thread and it reminded me of criticism I've read many other places and from people who still attack him. And I ranted. Maybe I was wrong. And I'm sorry for that.


And to redeem myself ;)


Kalliope:

(http://www.lolcats.com/images/u/07/23/lolcatsdotcomttbwex6me2ieahcu.jpg)

SlayerAngel, I can understand why you're upset but I think the frustration is being misdirected.  I personally do not feel "harass" is being used appropriately here with the exception of what Delphy has gone through.  Simply because people disagree with Solander's take on the situation he has found himself in does not make it harassment.  I suggest taking a break and collecting your thoughts because you aren't making much sense.

ETA to the post below me:  If they really only wanted thanks, what is stopping from them being free creators?  Are they really asking us to pay AND give them thanks?  Isn't paying already a form of thanks in a way?  I don't see how they can feasibly have it both ways and I personally don't think they should.

Here is the translation of this:

Das Leben ist kein Ponyhof, vor allem nicht für uns Bastler Eventuell sollten wir wirklich einmal alle für ne bestimmte Zeit dichtmachen. GDL lässt grüßen. Ist zwar unfair den Leuten gegenüber, die unschuldig an der Sache sind und einfach nur gerne downloaden, aber eventuell muss auch mal was auf Seiten der Bastler geschehen. Denn ich hab keinen Bock, dass die Piratenseiten immer heftiger werden. Wir lassen uns so viele Dinge gefallen, trotzdem machen wir weiter. Auch ohne ein Wort des Dankeschöns.
Ja, es muss nichtmal Geld sein. Ein simples DANKE tut es manchmal auch. Doch selbst das bekommt man in den allerseltensten Fällen!

Translation:

Life is not a pony-farm, at least not for us creators. Maybe we all should close for a certain time. GDL is greeting. It is unfair against the people that are innocent in this whole thing and just like to download, but maybe something has to happen on the side of the creators. Because I really don't like that the Pirate sites get stronger. Many things get done and said to us, but we still keep going. Even without a word of Thank you.
Yes, it doesn't even have to be money. A simple Thank you is sometimes good enough. But even that is very rare.

People slandering him? I call that harassment. Nobody deserves to be slandered. I only think that it's a coincidence that some german creators are shutting down. Also, most of them did to sell out to TSR. Solander didn't sell out. Yes he was a member but isn't anymore. I only think that him shutting down his site for a while is just a wake-up call. His way of saying that nothing is stopping him from just taking his toys and going home. Maybe it would be wrong but nothing is in his way.

I think people need to stop attacking him for mis wording a post. We all do it and come off as things that we're not, especially when you're upset. But he is not our enemy. He's not even close. I have no problem with him being neutral on the issue. But the fact that he chose to be a free only creator makes me respect him.

About Solander, it's good that he made it all clear and explained everything and changed his message in the homepage etc. because honestly the way his message was originally posted? it was pretty deserving of at least some criticism and/or wtf? on our part anyway, bad grasp of the language kept in mind and all  :wink:

Dammit I can't figure out how to post a picture

Well he apologized for miswording his letter and we can't fault him for that. Yes he did come off as a little cocky but I've read much worse. But he's not our enemy. Sasilia, Marcela and Murano however ;)


ETA: armywife you right click on the picture and then left click "view image" then copy the link. Click "img" above the text box then paste then link. Click "img" again. Hope that helped. :)

(http://www.catsizeentertainment.com/img/FCPkittysniper.jpg)

If one more person places blame on us for all this shit.....here is my solution.

*rum for you SlayerAngel and mucho thanks for helping my dumb ass*

Slander?  I don't think so.  You're taking things so far out of proportion that it's really outrageous.  It is not us that took what he did and made a "freesites/paysites unite against pirates/nonrespectful people" stand from it.  His paysite friends did.  It's not a coincidence.  It's a deliberate move.

I don't think you're comprehending what you're reading because you're too emotional.  Take a breather.

I don't believe in coincidences.

missangelica you know I love you but what you're saying has no warrant. And it's been discussed before, so I'll refer to what armywife and Solander told you and leave it at that.


And please, don't talk down to me about my emotions. I'm crabby, not having a breakdown.

I'd like to add my two cents.

Slayer I only have a problem with one thing you said and it's this

Did you not stop to think that that maybe the reason why people were so quick to jump on him? He worded it wrong and someone (I think armywife because we all know she's a sweet piece of sunshine cake) even asked him if he worded it wrong. It seems to me that you are jumping on some of the people in this thread for jumping on him not because his english or whatever but because they were confused and thought he was saying something he obviously wasn't.

I swear if anybody says anything about my punctuation I will set this whole place on e-fire. :roll:

Nii, your punctuation is shoddy. Repeat after me: I do believe in commas. I do, I do. *sits in the sauna of e-fire and bakes happily*



I don't have anything to say--it's all been said already.

I know Red. I don't think he meant to attack us. For whatever reason he worded it wrong and came off as someone who was slandering us of harassment and thievery. But it's cleared up now. But I've worded things wrong and came off as a bitch, etc. It happens to everyone. Remember I was really crabby when I made that post. I said I was sorry.


Edit: Tchan you're evil. :P

wait a sec....are they saying it's all the fault of.......


WAYNE NEWTON????

(http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/8721/waynenewtonvu9.jpg)


 :shock:     :shock:      :shock:        :shock:        :shock:

S'ok. What I said wasn't meant to be mean. I just said that because I wanted to add my two cents and it would have bugged me for at least 30 minutes if I hadn't.  :wink:

Saffy: FotherMucker.

Now there's a conspiracy theory worth running from...::shudders::

Thank you Red. I guess I can better guess that people word things wrongly because I have Asperger's Syndrome and it happens to me a lot. :)

*smirks evilly and bakes in the sauna some more* :twisted:  :twisted:  8)

Sorry, you dug that hole. :P I couldn't resist.  :lol:  8) Quote (Repeat after me...etc) shamelessly stolen from the Shoebox Project.





My opinion of this matter is covered by so many people I'm not even gonna bother saying it. However, I'll say this; whilst I believe there is no such thing as a coincidence, I don't believe Sar-whatsit truly knew they were going to use him.

I don’t think it’s a coincidence either.

But it could be EITHER Solander was disillusioned and decided to close his site for a while and some other German creators did the same thing to back him up and show sympathy.

OR Solander was disillusioned and decided to close his site for a while and some other German creators saw that as an opportunity to clamp pirates and disrespectful assholes together and throw a punch at them.

Do we have an idea if all the temporarily closed sites are paysites?

Solander, thanks for making things more clear. I don’t think I have ever sent a thank-you message to you and I should have. Your stuff is very good, your site is cool and you share everything for free. Thank you very much for that.  :D

Yeah I honestly think that paysite owners we're trying to find an ally out of Solander because he's not completely anti-paysite and used to be an artist at TSR. I guess it failed, nice try bitches. :roll:

Maybe Solander didn't know they were using him, but he certainly misguided them. See, I'm still having a hard time convincing myself that in his original homapage message he really didn't mean to dump some blame on us  (although why he would do that and then change everything is so beyond me). I just think I don't have to instantly accept his explanations, as things still just sound kind of off to me. Hey, he fucked up in the first place - now I need time, damnit  :lol:

Maybe they misguided him into thinking this is where the blame should go ...  :?

Oh well, i wouldn't doubt that a bit, Peachfish.
I've been surprised at the nasty things I've seen supposedly respectable creators do in the past, so something as small as a nudge that way would totally be within thier means.

Do we yet know who this is - Kalliope?

Wayne Newton - you're a funny monkey!

Good point, Peachfish.  May I just say that I don't think "everyone is out to get us"?  And, so what if they are?  What was actually accomplished?  Uhmm - Nothing.  Except some really entertaining threads that kept us all busy and I learned how to post a picture.

So, really, if they bring it here - if they stay there - if they open - if they close - if they take their pretties and lock 'em up - meh - we still got the goods anyway.   And another EP is releasing shortly in a store near you. :D

EDIT:  Did Kalliope get any of the goods?

Hecubus, I'm pretty sure I haven't "stolen" anything, seeing as how Sims 2 custom content belongs to Maxis/EA anyway, free or pay.  I believe once I download it, it belongs to me as do many other "pirates" and I like to share my files and recolors, etc. whether they be free or pay.

I have redistributed meshes with credits to the mesher (so has Leigen) and paysite items (just like the booty does), either recolored or converted to other meshes also with credits to the original artists/meshers.  

If you have any questions about that feel free to come to the site and check for yourself.  Oh, and I actually make some stuff from scratch too, but I get accused of stealing that as well.   :roll:

Gee, I don't know, Black Pearl. Seems you've been called on it on THIS forum (http://phorum.mustnotbenamed.com/viewtopic.php?t=769&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=135).

In reference to a particular instance of your thievery, Kathy wrote:



And I'm not certain of details, but I understand that yet another set was found on your site very recently, posted without permission.

There's piracy with honor, and there's piracy without honor. How about showing a little honor, and maybe your name won't be the first on our lips when we are told "pirates have stolen free content"?

Just so I understand is DL Muslow aka Black Pearl or am I reading this wrong?  Since I just read the 14 page thread you had linked and I guess I was in a hole somewhere and missed all that excitement *sigh*

Yes and I was there for that whole discussion. All I really got out of it was that BlackPearl was DL. Then there was a bunch of bitchin' and fightin' The best part but don't tell. I even joined it...kinda.

BlackPearl is also one of those whiny children Solander was talking about. :roll:

Your post is contradictory in some respects.  Once you download it, if it is an original mesh, it does not belong to you, the recolors and such, yes, but not the actual original mesh.  I don't know you, just what I have read, and I usually give the benefit of the doubt because I am fair.  But, just in the short amount of time, I have my doubts "Methinks you doth protest too much".  But a heads up:  I wouldn't use mesh by anyone but yourself.  Once you lose credibility, and you compound it with "oops I'm sorry I did it again, and again, and again" You pretty much are shoved off the plank.

Well, I'll leave it to the others here who are more familiar with you than I.

*eating popcorn and drinking rum....waiting*

Geeze, this is so old that it's rancid.  I hardly know what's worse.. the fact that it's been brought up again remember I told you tchan that oldbies will never forget your past offenses and will throw it in your face given the opportunity or that if what Hecubus says is true, Black Pearl is back to her old tricks again.  Not only that but Black Pearl is still claiming innocence and defending what she has done--basically being as wibbly wobbly as a tinker toy depending on what evidence she's faced with.  This reminds me of Pescado's signature..



If there is still a problem then address it in a way that's constructive.. don't just drag up old shit to throw it out there again.

------

Response to SlayerAngel's last post to me: If my words are not warranted, then guess what, yours aren't either.  Neither of us has any pull in this discussion.  It really bothered me you saying that.  I may disagree with people but it doesn't stop me from still listening to what they have to say and valuing it.  I may say, "You're wrong in my opinion," but never, "You don't have a right to speak up or have your own opinion."

It's funny. As a Creator (oooh...swanky!) I never get the kind of feedback these folks seem to get. It might be because I don't have a guestbook and my comments section requires that you register a real return email address. I put my creations out there for people to use, and I count the number of downloads to judge how much people like them. I have no wish to take requests, no need to accept plaudits or complaints, nor even communicate with the 12 year olds at all.

As far as the Germans getting their knickers in a twist, we all know that they are some of the worst offenders when it comes to pay sites. And they know we like their contemporary furnishings. But seriously. If they disappear, would the sim-world come to a standstill? They seem to take themselves very seriously, don't they? The sensible ones will continue to be sensible, I am sure. No worries here!  :wink:

Was ist das?  Von was, ich verstehe nicht.        Logik fallt aus.  Bedauere! Mein Deutsch ist rostig und nicht so gut.

What's this?  What, I don't understand, logic fails.    Sorry! My German is rusty and not so good.

(and here I'm for the fail or I would've continued auf Deutsch, "I don't think this is a paysite-supporter thing, it looks like a lemming thing - in German.")

Anyone stop to think maybe paysites have their little minions running around putting nasty stuff in freesite's guestbooks to cause conflict? Pretending to be pirates? After what happened to Delphy, Kate, etc....I for one wouldn't put it past them for one minute. If freesite creators are thinking it's pirates, there is a reason...

It's just me or some German pay sites closed in "protest" because the money isn't "flowing"?
Let's see how ridiculous it is

1) A paysite closed because people were discussing the legality of pay sites. Guess freedom of speech isn't desirable when it is not in your favor.
2) They punish everybody in the community for the "immoral act" of some. How fair.

Guess they aren't here for the community aspect of the game or for the glee of having a hobby. This whole boycott has no other goals than give pirates a bad name and force people give them money or else. Really, could it get any more fucked up?

And this, the whole boycott, happen because we (i use the term loosely, as I, myself, haven't done anything relevant) dared to discuss the issue; because we gave people alternatives. Evil? Unfair? And how do you(they) call holding content -  that should be free and a fucking hobby - for ransom? How do you(they) call this fucking hypocrisy? ZOMG THEY ARE EEVUL AND BAD TO ARTISTZ when in fact the case is FUCK, THE BASTARDS ARE RUINING MY BUSINESS?

Hypocrisy makes me nauseous. :x

I love, love, LOVE this line. Thank you, thank you, THANK YOU.

I'll reserve judgement for now, but really, there are just too many coincidences here. This is very obviously a coordinated effort but it's not like we know much more than that.

It might behoove some of you to wait out the details before riding off on your dramallamas into the sunset, 'kay?

Hey, you guys really aren't fair  :shock:  I went to bed when this thread was on page 3 and now????

Well, a few things as I followed that thread in the German board.

I know where Kalliope is and I wonder why she does not come here with her own name. Don't hide, M!
I appreciate that Solander did. Solander, you are not our enemy, you are a freesiteowner. But I feel the discussion on Simforum went in the wrong direction. It was started as a Pay/Free discussion and then you posted about closing your site. So clearly everyone thought it was because of the pirates. You made things clear and I am happy about that  :D  You are welcome!
Maybe we should all go and leave some nice comments in guestbooks  :)
We do not upload free content, and if there is some in the booty, please pm us and we remove it.

Some of the paysiteowners jumped on that train and removed their free content, blaming the pirates for something they wanted to do anyway. They don't want to offer free stuff, they want to be paid.
Teko will be an FA on TSR and Marilu already is. Birgit blames the Pirates for removing her free content from her site (Leaving the paystuff there). Sasilia already called us assholes... They should not be surprised no one likes them here and we will go on discussing this.

I have a guestbook, but I don't have this problem.  I put it there so that people could tell me if something fucked up - but it didn't work.  I forgot to put a download link in the last update for a male t-shirt, and when I went to look a couple of days later as to why it hadn't been downloaded, found there was no link to click for them - and not a word.  :lol:

I count the number of downloads too - and hope it's less than the delete button presses.  That's what matters to me.

As far as the thanks thing - in the figures as of 3 weeks ago - 2000 unique visitors to my site, and 2 thanks messages.  One of my most popular downloads - over 100 for Drow fairy skintone - not a word.  But that's the thing - I started as a downloader, and continue as one, and remember how much content there is, and how little time I have to do everything - when I was on dialup the time taken to thank people was a lot of hassle for me.

I don't mind a bit if I don't receive thanks - I actually do it because I think it's nice, and because I like it.  Just so long as there are no nasty messages, I don't give a damn if they haven't got time to stop by and say thanks - if they download and spend the time to do that - I'm happy.  :D



This I do do with religiousity - I might not care about thanks, but some creators do - and so I do that for them.  I click every thanks button except MATY ones, and I've posted in guestbooks.

Just a stab in the dark but is Kalliope Marilu?  I was thinking from her earlier post that she was one of the teutwanic twats. (I think I spelled that wrong  :oops: )

No, I think it isn't Marilu, but Magenta from Simslikeithot or so. But of course I can be wrong  :roll:

As for the thanks thing, I honestly don't care if someone thanked me for my work here.  I delete lots of nasty pms or silly request without any thought (except the Penis one  :roll: ) and just do what is needed, no matter if I get a thanksthisisgreat or not. I just don't care. I know I'm not a creator, so maybe that can't be compared. I do think download numbers is a good thing to see what people like or not and also a thank you for the creator.

I do not post in many guestbooks because don't want to give my email addy (which is needed in some) or simply forget it.

I did not ask for hundreds of thank you messages or something like this. I did ask for respect, which is something totaly different.

If you are told to have mental health problems, just because you ask people to give credits, if they do use your stuff, than the line, which i consider to be acceptable, is crossed.

A community (which is always pushed in those discussions) is a thing of giving and taking. If someone does only take, there is something wrong.

And to state this again: The decision, to close down PmS for some time, was just mine. Its my way of "if you hit me in the ..., I can do so, too".

No, according to some people, all of the above can be attributed to me.  I am apparently able to single handedly (or with some help from my little crowd) bringing the entire free-site community to it's knees.  :roll:

Of course Dour - you are teh eval!  :lol: I'm surprised you took time off from your guestbook messages campaign and freesite attacks to post here.



Remarks about thank you messages aren't aimed at you - conversation tends to meander here onto other subjects.

But look, there's always going to be jerks - there's no jerk prevention scheme hampering jerks from installing the Sims.  If you wish to take your site down and cool down - completely understandable.

Yea, I framed Pesc for all those things people accuse him of, that's how evil I am.

And just today I saw you sneaking away from that car crash outside my house - I wish I had your energy.  So much evil, so little time.

I've found out I'm in on your evil schemes - *sarcasm* thanks for telling me *end sarcasm* - someone else had to inform me of that - I've got a lot of catching up to do.

Sorry, I thought you knew.  But that is actually just another level of my evilness.  You are doing evil deeds without me even suggesting them to you.  Now you see the brilliance of my evil plan to take down all free sims sites.  

I love how I supposedly have the time and patience for all of this when I have basically been slipping away from the sims community over the last 2 months.

You are a devoted fighter, indeed.

More on-topic... YAWN. If you need a break, take a break. I know some people have no manners, and it can get tiring unless you learn how to type out "Fuck off". But is there really a need to make a long explanation? Just sounds like a cry for attention to me... like when women go "I LOOK SO FAT" when they just want a compliment.

Dour, I love you... :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:



I don't know who Magenta is, or what Simslikeithot is, but she's definitely a twat.

http://www.sims2likeithot.de/

She also has crap on her front page:

July 22nd, 2007

I am sorry! No update. And it will take some time...
You do ask yourself why? Well, let me explain it to you all:
Due to the discussions all over the Sims2 Community about destroying paysites I have been thinking alot about it lately. I'm not a big supporter of paysites but they do exist and they won't disappear. EA doesn't make a clear statement, so what are the reasons for some people to force other sites to close because they offer pay content?
Those people are worse than each of the paysite owners. They think they can judge about others, steal the work of them and offer it on so-called "pirate sites".
Congratulations, you all are the world's greatest heroes. Ever.
Did you ever consider that you are going to destroy the existing community as well? That you you are also cause hatred against free sites?
Thanks alot of taking away the fun creating stuff for the Sims2.

I just support Solander's decision to take Pimp My Sims offline for some days.

Ok.... :shock:

Am I understanding this correctly? Solander, for his own reasons, needs to take a break (which is fair enough) from creating and the community, and so leads a note on his website...including about he feels about the community and pirates. So then other people erm 'jump on the bandwago' and do a similar thing all blaming us...they remove their free stuff and/or close the site.

Now, I do not think that Solander and the others have been planning this (as some of you have said) but they are using his leaving/closing as a chance to have a go at us.

Either way, yet again we are being grouped as people who take down free sites and ruin the free community - and I think we really need to sort this out:

We do not host free items. If a paysite goes free then their stuff is removed from the booty.

We support free site owners and creators - many of us are free site owners and creators.

Teh, I do realise that some people may be using our apparent effect of the free community to just slander us, but this is now getting very widespread and I think we need to think about why and sort it....We are not about destroying free sites, site owners and creators  :?

Jojoba, this is true. I am quite sure Solander did not expect others to jump on that train. Maybe his first explanation was a little too long, but I think it is ok to take some days off and even to see it as a sign not to take free sites as a matter of course.
And others like Marilu and Teko use the chance to blame us for everything as well as Birgit. What they do has nothing to do with Solanders thing, just a start of their moving to TSR and a chance to give the pirates a bad name.
Again, we help free sites in anything they do and need.

Exactly Gwen :) I completely agree!

*passes top notch tin foil* ;)

Thanks.  :D

Umm. could I have some rum, too  :P

Ha, I knew the top notch tin foil was not good enough for you Gwen... :lol:

*passes rum*

You know what really cracks me up about this post, look at the model on the front page. What regard did she show in her theivery of that designers clothing? None. Did she bother to write to the designer and ask if she could photskin their clothing? Those designers own copyright/trademark to their designs. So it's ok for these paysites to not only disrespect EA and make money off their back, but it's also ok if they steal from these designers, disrespect their copyrights to their designs and make money off their back. But it's not ok if someone does it to them? Unfreakenbelievable!

I honestly don't know if she is a paysite or not, doesn't matter to me before they go passing judgement out on the morality clause on what is acceptable or not acceptable...they need to take a look in the mirror at what they are doing. If they are stealing from a designer then telling pirates how horrible they are, they really need to get a better mirror.

Let me just add in Object files from these cad websites they distribute for free, to the whole community that many are taking and selling without the designers permission. Hair from poser for free or buying and then reselling without permission. Come to think of it, I don't think they need a better mirror. I think their friggin mirrors are broken.

With the exception being Solander, I had a thought when I woke up this morning.  Those of us living in the US may remember a few years back when professional baseball players boycotted.  Do you remember what happened?  No fans.  Fans were pissed that they loved the game and came out because they were loyal.  If backfired in many ways.  To include huge drops in ticket sales and being unable to recruit a lot of newer players because of revenue.

Why do I find this applicable?  It is a "real life" situation when people thought they were more important than what they are.  Their motivation was not out of the love of what they were doing, but the greed (or was the perception of the public and media).  Same is true in this situation.  Doing something as ridiculous and childish and closing and removing content only hurts them.  It only causes those who are infrequent downloaders of their stuff to wonder what is the fuss about and seek us out and then be pissed off because they have paid for crappy content in some instances.  It causes those who are more  entrenched to roll their eyes and be disgusted at the pettiness.  I think TSR is egging this on, if you want to know the truth.  I believe they are recruiting those site owners with "we'll protect you from the bad pirates, come to TSR, we'll make you a FA, we'll give you Kudos, we'll babysit your kids and do your laundry"

And Solander, we all understand you, you unfortunately got used by people that you thought were "friends" or at least fellow creators with the same objectives as you.  And, there are those who are going to differ in opinion.  Really that is ok and a good thing.  Sometimes the other perspective makes you think.  You shouldn't take any offense as no one here is going to be anything but honest.  And the great thing, if you don't like what they say - you can respond how you choose.  

(Hey Solander BTW at SFV in the thread about this they were referencing how "hot" you are.  Someone posted a picture.  You are "hot") :wink:

I decided this morning to move my site online again tonight. Not because i think that i was "wrong" with my decision, but because of the fact, that too many people, that did not even hear about anything, we or I am talking about, stumble about a site and do not understand, what's going on.

So it seems at least some people noticed my "message" and that's what i wanted to state with my "measure".

Solander

And BTW: What is SFV? Thanks for the "you are hot" ;)

Thanks Solander.  That people misunderstood your message, or twisted it to suit their own agendas really is horrible.  I am glad you are not going to allow them to do that anymore by reinstating your site.  

I am a creator myself, although not as good as you-I also get a bit upset when not properly credited as that is all I also ask.  I don't even expect a thank you, just a credit line when recoloring my meshes or uploading it with a sim.   I don't think that is too much to ask for at all.

http://www.simsfilevault.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=301&t=6522

It seems Solander that you have a fan club of your hottness.   :wink:

Thanks for the link. And thanks for informing them about the clarification of my statement

You are most welcome.  Could you possibly help with one additional thing?  Being honest, has your perception changed since you have posted here and we have responded?   Does the reputation that PMBD has amongst site owners differ from what you have seen posted here? You can read on multiple threads that we don't bash free sites and we don't support stealing - meaning using someone's meshes, etc. and claiming them as your own or not crediting the creator properly.

I am curious for a couple of reasons.  We are under the impression that there is one or more persons who are claiming to be representing the pirates here and who are actually not affiliated with us at all.  We would like to know who these person(s) are so we can - deal with them.

I have not heard about pimp my sims before. There are so many sites
around, both free and pay. Imo. people should always thank creators
of free sites, i do that myself of course, also on MTS2.

English is not my native language either, and for that i ended up with
harrashment on this phorum a while ago by some real idiots who did not get into their head i was here to HELP,i am still pissed at the same people.

I was very close to leave the phorum for good. And to Solander, when i read your first message, i was a bit confused too, but i understood you're message.

I usually remain silent cause i do not practise english, other than to
read tutorials for some 3D-programs. I like your site, do not let some
jerks get hold on you, or control you, they are everywhere, and even if
i would punch their faces, it's difficult to get rid of the plague.

RAWR! I love handsome men with dark hair :)
Thanks fro giving stuff out for free, your presents are beautiful :)

Arr, agree Nouk. By the way, even if you are a female, i am a fan of you :D

*passes rum, cookies and a big stick to amazone*

I'm with you Nouk.  I have always had thing for dark hair.  Hmm and uniforms  :lol:

Thanks armywife! I needed that :D *happy*

Your decision makes me very glad, Solander. :D

Now see that makes a huge difference to me.  That would make me want to sign your guestbook and leave positive feedback. :)

Sims File Vault. :P Their site is www.simsfilevault.com

Lord knows we gotta drag up old bullshit, Hecubus.  Me and Kathy got miles and miles of bad road between us.  I just don't give a shit anymore.  I said my piece.  I've gotten sick of the accusations.  I have created ass loads of content.  A couple of pieces were questioned because they were UNSIGNED when I got them and recolored them.  Naughty me...

I have over 2000 members on my site since opening April this year so I have much support.  I also have friends that have been there from the beginning and know that I haven't "stolen" anything.  So, in a nut shell, I don't really give a flyin' shit what people that DON'T know me or WEREN'T there say.  

A LOT of very immature people will jump on a bandwagon just because a big site owner has a beef with someone.  I've gotten used to it.  Nuff said on this issue.  I won't go thru defending my "honor" again.  It just gets too tiresome.  

I DO, although, want to help out.  Hecubus, if you need anymore donations please let me know.  I'd be happy to provide for the cause.  ;)  I would also like any suggestions for the site you might have.  As I've said before, pirates are welcome.  We are all trying to do our part even if we don't always agree with each other's way of doing it.

ARR, Rum for everyone!!!

Well finally jumping in here.  I honestly don't care about all these paysites, or quasi paysites packing up and leaving.  I am more hoping they stay gone.  

I am happy to hear though that you reconsidered Solander, as you have a lot more integrity in my mind than the many sites who seems to follow your lead.  You have always been very generous to this community, ever since you started sharing your creations on MTS2 to your site.  

I am sorry to hear that many people seem to take what you do for granted.  I am sorry to see that it seems like a bit of what you were trying to say was lost in all this site closing commotion.  I am truly sorry that the internet is densely populated with idiots, who seems to want nothing more than to just piss people off.

Trying not to let it get to you is probably easier said than done.  However, after all the time and money you have spent for others it is probably draining to see people being so disrespectful.  I know I would understood if you had decided to close up shop, but I am glad you didn't.

Now off to my forum to join this Solander Fan club!

Here here!  I'll drink to that!  *Chugs some rum*



ROFL!  Was this a google translation?  Sorry, I just found it hilarious. :-)  And no, I don't speak German.. just the translation had me giggling.

BlackPearl:  I think it would be common sense not to recolor and post an "unsigned" original since there are so many other meshes available.  

As to "jumping on the bandwagon", I don't think that would be the case at all.  It is apparent from your posts as well as others that there has been instances where questionable circumstances have arisen.  As to a Kathy at Insim, whom I don't know personally but do donate to Insim, I have a tremendous respect for her "take no prisoners" attitude and she is honest to a fault, regardless if it hurts feelings are not.  If you are offended, angry, pissed or whatever - I would say you have only yourself to blame.  You continue to use objects "without creator's information" and you continue to get caught.  You may think it's none of my damn business, and that may be true in some respects.  However, you do consider yourself "pirate friendly" so therefore it becomes my business since I proudly am one.

AwwBoo:  Alta Vista, Babel Fish.  If you know of a better one, let me know.

^ROFL  Ooookay...

Oh, I didn't say I didn't respect Kathy.  Just no longer going into old and ancient bygones and percieved wrongs.  Enjoy your pirateering Armywife!  I am a Marinewife...  Oorah!  ;)

No, I don't.  I've used the same one myself for French and had similiar results, that's why I asked.  Sorry, I wasn't making fun.  I just found it funny.  Having a rough day and needed a laugh.

Maybe this will cheer you up
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Yay for kitties!  That did cheer me up, thank you!  :lol:

Then I definitely expect more from you than this. Hooah

Ahhhhahaaa, this thread is so entertaining!  :lol: I have laughed so hard my hair is in a mess. I have nothing to add though, everything has been said.

Hail to armywife Hecubus and everyone else that made this thread what it is! Thankyou, thankyou, thankyou.  :D

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-takes the garden hose to Nouk-

down girl down

 :lol:

And what would "this" be??  You're trying soooo hard to be mean.  It's actually amusing.  (Thinking of something equally childish...)  Um, no, I guess you're better at it than me.   :roll:

I have some laundry to wash.  Buh-bye, now.

No, no I think you win. What you just said was very high school and that's slightly worse than being twelve. And at least she's trying to be nice. I've taught her well.  :D

Oh, so now being intellegent is bad.  Oh, oooookay.  Now I know why I don't come here very often.  I only dropped in because someone told me I was mentioned.  Gotta love fame, now if only I had the fortune...

Just a thought: How come Free Sites are so much easier to "bring to their knees" than pay sites? Kind of makes you go, "Hmmmmm...."  :?:

That was just plain catty. It's all good that you want to stick up for yourself but it doesn't mean you have to be an ass to everyone. Try yoga it worked   for me.

 :roll: I always manage to drag things off topic


Sparkle: I think that has to do with the paysite owners trying to give pirates a bad rep. Every time I see it I also see the words "Pirates," "PMBD", and/or "did it."  :lol:

Also there are too many sheeple to bring paysites down. They're brainwashed by paysite owners. "Free sites must go BOOM! on grown! Paysites are best. Paysites are right. You have great love of paysites."

Thanks Red, for addressing this while I was in a meeting with clients.  

"This" as you have termed it is the every present rumblings that you are a thief.  Oh, but with great excuses and reasons.  I actually wasn't trying to be anything but who I am which is direct and to the point.  Meaning?  As a military officer's wife, I believe that I should too behave in a manner that is responsible, above reproach and honorable.   Since you said your husband was a Marine, then I expect no less from you as the wife.  Using meshes of questionable origin is something that is virtually unheard of from what I understand and let's just be honest - it's stupid.  My point is that you have time and time again had excuse, explanation, reasons, etc. and it is beginning to sound like the "girl that cried wolf" syndrome.

I do not, will not make this military issue, for that is not what it is at all.  I am explaining my post to you since you didn't get it.

If this is the type of "fame" you seek, yep, well you've got it.  Be sure, and be very sure when I decide to "get mean" there will be no question in your mind as to the direction I am heading.  We clear?

Damn, me and my itchy trigger finger

Double post

That damn singing monkey SCARED me!!! *runs screaming in terror out of the thread* Yeah, I know I'm supposed to be a big, bad ass pirate, but that man is just frightening to the extreme! While he had one song I loved, he still scares the hell outta me! *eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeek!*

rotten monkey motherfucker, gimme my rum back, I know you swiped it when I was in the shower!

Paden - How's your head today?

DL it's already been confirmed by Kathy that you stole items on the site. That's why your section on inSim was pulled. Why are you still trying to argue it when you've already been proven wrong?

To recap:  PMS/Solander - cool, free site with purty things.  Teutonic Twats - bad, icky and teh evil.  Oh, and greedy bitches, too.  Kalliope - who?  BlackPearl - WTF?  Wayne Newton - most amusing topic in thread.  Dankeschoen - I likes to say it, and it reminds me of Ferris Bueller.  8)

My head is much better today, thanks for asking. This has been a most informative thread, and I've learned quite a bit. Some of the shit shouldn't have been dragged back out once it had lapsed into repose, but some people just have to have a drama fix. Slayer, being as you were not a principal player in what went down at InSim, don't throw any more fuel onto something that ought to be allowed to fade back to black. If you weren't on the inside of it, don't project. Solander, thank you for editing your post and making it so much more understandable. And thanks for putting your site back online... Got a bitch out for me? Don't make it public, take it to PM.

Thanks for the recap, after 12 pages or so I was confused  . . . maybe it was the juicy juice.

Paden I'm only telling her to let it go. From what I've heard from EVERYBODY she did take free items. Why try and argue an issue that's been resolved?


and DL-Necromancy is bad, m'kay?

That is a simply fantastic recap. :)

I fear Wayne too - it's that creepy smile.  Spoooooky.

:shock: Well they may have lost but that means I get all their monies huh? Now I can help feed the paysites chilluns with all my monies?

Why was it neccessary

to put

it all

on seperate

lines?

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Kalliope, grow the fuck up! If you wanna play cat and mouse over who in the fucking hell you are, you qualify as twelveness bitch of the year! And why in the absolute fucking flaming goddamn HELL would any of us on this board throw around the word Nazi!? NOTHING can compare to the evil those bastards commited and yet you think it's funny to ask why we aren't using it? Jesus flippin Moses Christ! You, madame, are a twat. Not a pixel whore, not a low-born gutter slut, but you are a twat. Maybe not Teutonic, but you qualify as a twat. And if you're male, you still qualify. Twatness is not based on your gender, but it is based on your stupidity. Obviously, over and above, you so very much qualify that it stupifies the mind. Well, any mind under twelve, so hopefully this will shut you the fuck up.
And Slayer, I don't think DL brought it up. She was informed that her name was mentioned, so drop it. And before you can retort, I don't wanna hear it. I've seen you at her site, so shut the fuck up. Thank you and don't forget to take your Midol, that is what I am going to go do. Nope, that's not the reason for the mood though, it just works better on the headaches I get after too much hard alchohol. Fucking 151 will attack for a couple days after drinking it... or something...

ETA: and if this keeps up, the avi will change to reflect the mood... and none of you will like it, can confirm that...

Paden what the hell are you talking about? I've never registered to DL's site. I've never been on her forum.  :| Even search for members. For posts, you won't find me. If you want to properly attack me then at least don't use slander. Or were you drunk when making that post?  :roll:

Do you see why now we needed you yesterday? Hmmm?

Can I just ask a small favor from both you and Slayer - Stop.  It's going nowhere and it's only going to get worse.  I like you both and respect what each of you says, but the horse is dead and is now glue.  :shock:

I agree with armywife. This needs to stop and Paden it seems like you're trying to start a fight with me. I'm not going to. If you have personal issues then fine. But don't dump them on others. But this is over. I'll maintain some integrity.

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I will publicly apologize for saying that, and slander was not my intent. Was it yours? This is the only time I will reply on this and then it is done in my eyes, clear? This is the only apology you are going to get from me, so treasure it. I thought that I had seen your name over at Sim Antics, so I do apologize for that. And one thing further, do not ever accuse me of drinking when I am alone with my child! I DO NOT DO THAT! I DO NOT DRINK IN MY HOME! I may joke about passing the rum or taking a swig, but I do not drink when I am caring for children. To even suggest it is to invite anger you do not wish to face from me. I leave this house once every six weeks and stay with someone who is closer to me than family. We party and goof around and remember the old days. That is the only time I drink. That line was uncalled for and irresponsible. From now on, at least for a couple of weeks, I will not be replying to you on any forum and will not unblock you from MSN. And you can stop complaining about me to other users. Grow up and get some balls. And don't attack me and call me drunk on a forum. Got it? Good. Have a nice day.

(http://lolcats.com/images/u/07/25/lolcatsdotcomc31kfjha8ilcocvx.jpg)

Wake me when it's over

Woman have you lost your ever loving fucking mind? You deserve to be called a Teutonic Twat just for that stupid fucking statement.... on second thought, you aren't even good enough for Teutonic Twat for that... Nazi indeed, you act as if everyone should hate German people.... fucking NUT.



and believe it or not, I'm usually the quiet one. Now run back to the TTs and tell them we were mean to you.

You give Twat a bad name.  :roll:

Ok Paden I will apologize about my drinking comment. But making personal attacks and bringing personal grudges on the forum is not cool. But I don't care, block me if you want, don't talk to me if you want. Fine. If you want to say anything else then a single flame or cuss word. Frankly with these replies you're coming off as an ass and much less mature than me.


If you want to keep attacking me then leave it in my inbox.

And armywife it's over.  :)

What the fuck are you talking about - you came here trolling for comments:



Now you're trying to elicit abuse from everyone to justify why you hate us all.  I mean really - just grow up.




You admitted to some sort of relationship with them right here:



Notice that you said you were to blame for the whole thing - and what? Now you don't want to be to blame.



Then we're not fucking referring to you, are we?

Kalliope you're being quite a hypocrite for saying we need to stop picking on content creators when you first came here to bash Solander who actually TRIES to make high quality custom content for free. Even if he was a pay creator he's still more respectable than Birgit or Sasilia because his items aren't loaded with polygons nor are they broken or will crash your game.

Pay creators expect us to pay for content that is broken, bleeds through walls, slows down and sometimes even crashes your game. And you have the nerve to bash a free creator who puts so much time into making one mesh but not the greedy pay creators who gouge money from us that isn't even worth a dollar. You're a hypocrite. Either that or you haven't done your homework, either way. You're only making a fool out of yourself.

(http://home.comcast.net/~pendraggin/TrollCat.jpg)

(http://www.lolcats.com/images/u/07/29/lolcatsdotcomjokmndla2vvlkunp.jpg)

Irrelevant but funny. :P

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... But you don't see me doing it. Funny how the grown woman acts in comparison to the little girl, ain't it? :lol:
Seriously? Lighten up on the Internet grudges. You're acting like I kicked your puppy, shot your daughter and drank all your rum.

Your first post asked us to flame away, and then you're surprised?





This forum doesn't give a shit who you are, and unless you're here incognito, we've never started on you before you had a go at us.  See your above first post about hatred - you even invited it by saying have fun.

I think you're a fucking nut now - why don't you go along to America Women Suck, and tell them about your feminist principles, and how they should have fun flaming you too - and then you can act the victim.

Here's the address
http://www.americanwomensuck.com/forums/



Oh noes! Pay creations being downloaded and used with a Sims game *gasp* It's a tragedy.  They should be locked in their zipfiles forever.



Know what - I don't need to steal your stuff - I make my own, and many people here do - I've been hotlinked to as well.  So has Doursim, Nouk has had her textures stolen, and many other free creators have gotten bad treatment. We don't cause these things - other people do. You just like to blame us.



So, as I say to every single jackass who comes here, and shakes their finger and says you're doing it the wrong way, what have you done for freesites?

Before Pescado said that -  in order of your questions: yes we do, that's exactly it, hell yeah and that's the plan!  :mrgreen:

(Note that by 'those people' I meant payscum -- in case you slither back and twist my words as if I dissed all CC creators, since you slimy apologists love to employ this tactics)

Oh, Magenta, I DID use my brain. That is why I know who you am.

And I DO feel offended if YOU call me darling!  :evil:

Und Teutonic Twat paßt immer, auch auf Männer, Österreicherinnen und Schweizer und Halbdeutsche :D . Wer sich angesprochen fühlt, wird schon wissen warum!

Wow, so much hatred and flame...

Magenta, I don't understand why you came here in the first place. We don't hurt any free site creator. If you look through all the threads, there is just respect for creators of free sites. Ok, every now and then there's someone who doesn't understand that we want to help free sites, but he will be taught soon...

Yes, PMBD is about sharing the payfiles, and JUST the payfiles. As soon as a site goes free, the former payfiles will be removed. If they are unavailable then, they'll find their way to the graveyard... If the paysite creaturs feel insultet...well, there's no reason, because where's the insult? They should be ashamed that they created pay content in the first place. The creators are always credited, nobody claimes to be the creator here.
If other people are doing the same, sharing a (pay) mesh with their own recolors etc, this is a good thing to do, because everyone can use every creation then (read Nouk's and Hysterical Paroxysm's letters, there you can find that EA just wants that, that every creation is available for everyone).
In my opinion sharing a free mesh could be ok on some occasions. When SAU was down longer than online, it would have been better to include the meshes. If you have to register, for example at Raonsims, but registering does not work for a large number of people. When the item you need is badly named so that you don't have a chance to find it. When you need to download a whole, large set and only need one small item etc. But credit is always needed.

Using items uncredited, claiming items to be their own creations, stealing parts of creations is no way tolerated here, and if you have a look around, you can find see that yourself, even in this thread.
So I cannot understand why you are complaining... We didn't do anything to you nor did we "steal" your work nor do we flame free sites.

When it comes to paysites, we are the bad guys, that's true. But when you are searching for the people who complain about free content, who leave comments like "your creation is shit" or want to force you to update, you have to look somewhere else.

Mkay, could you elaborate on this point please? :) What other possible ways do we have to destroy paysites? That is why we are here on this site really....not to bash creators, free or pay. We just want these paysites to go free.  :roll:

And Paden & SlayerAngel, now I am all for MOAR FIGHT, but not between you two! Now drink rum and make up ;)

Calalily and Carissa have already said much of what I wanted to say, but ...

Kalliope, we have a certain amount of things in common. I’m a free creator too. I don’t like paysites at all. And I don’t much care for unauthorized file-sharing either. I’ve already taken a beating over this in another thread. That’s ok with me.  :)

But I have to ask what was your purpose in coming here? If you wanted to help the freesite movement or try to change things here then stomping in and throwing an angry flame around isn’t really the way to do it. I assure you – from an experience that is only a few days old – that people here WILL listen to you, even if they don’t agree, as long as you talk sensibly and respectfully to them. And they WILL accept that you have a different point of view, as long as that point of view is not ‘Paysites are good’.  :wink:

And yes, it may be insulting to the paysite creators to host their files here, but I think the paysite creators are also insulting the entire community by trying to make money out an what is an innocent hobby or passion for many gamers – including children.  :(

About the stealing of freesite creators’ work: That has been going on since the very first Sims 1 sites appeared on the internet and is not inspired by the pirates. It might be that some are now trying to make the connection between ‘general thiefs’ and ‘pirates’, but that is not correct. You’ll see that there is now talk here of how to make sure the pirate message is clear. That it is wrong to steal from freesites, and that even the paysite files that are in the booty are always clearly marked and credited to the creator.

You know what I find ironic?  The fact the we even respond to you at all.  You came her did your "post and run".  Don't be a coward.  If you want to debate with us, instead of insulting us, then debate away.  But, when you come to someone's "house" so to speak, pitch a 2 year old tantrum, and scream and shout at everyone because they judged your behavior accordingly - you act shocked.

I don't think you can be reasoned with or debated with or even have a discussion that is level-headed and results in some good and understanding.  When I engage someone in a conversation, the main objective is the outcome.  How do I want this to end up - what am I wanting from it?  Maybe you need to ask yourself this before you post again anywhere.  But for me I just sit and laugh at the absolutely childish antics of someone who has no business with an internet connection.  

Here's a clue, it's been tame up until now by most of us here.  Don't expect any more courtesy, k?

PS - Gwen she just wants your penis

Isn't that where male brains are?  :roll:  I am a girl  :D

Duh, Gwen.  I was kidding.  I was referring to the thread that says I think it's in "We Get Letters..A Cautionary Tale".

I know, armywife  :lol:  It was a pm I got from someone who is long forgotten.
I just could not resist, cause she asked me to use my brain and if I was male, I wondered where my brains would be.

Hee hee hee hee hee!

I just LOVE it when Gwendolyne bitchslaps someone in English AND German. Just so there's NO mistaking her meaning....

Brilliant.


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On another thought - Magenta suggests our behavior makes it okay for others to steal from free creators, as though our anti-paysite work translates to free piracy for all.

I have two responses to that:

1. Paysite behavior makes it 'okay' for other sites to become pay, which is clearly a breach of contract....something WE are not doing at all.  So we've got a bit of pot calling the kettle black here.

2. Just as Hollywood is not responsible if some idiot copies the violent actions of a film character, we are not responsible for idiots who twist our words/actions and steals meshes and textures or hotlinks. Hollywood is very clear in that their movies are FICTION. We are very clear in that our actions are meant to free all user-created content.

I think it's a big fear of all creators, that this anti-pay campaign will carry over into a free for all, in which everything a creator makes is up for grabs so to speak.  I think it's clear that the intention is not to share anything that is already shared freely.  To do so, who be extremely redundant, and who has time for that?

Further, as Hecubus noted, the people who take this to the extreme, sending nasty or threating email, do so in their own names, not in the name of filesharing.  I have never seen such behavior endorsed here by any filesharer.  To act as if a few bad seeds in the community reflect upon who we are and what we stand for is also unfair.  There are always going to be idiots out there pissing people off, regardless of if we are filesharing or not.

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I can only laugh, because I am so confused right now. But I agree with armywife that some of you needs a time out. I think... :roll:

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Pimp my Sims is open again!!! :mrgreen:

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I'd like to say a few things, so I'm gonna.  :lol:

I've been around a while. Not since the very beginning of the Sims 1, but damn near.
A long time ago I was a mod at Liquid Stars, where a TON of the creators who have now flocked to Bella's were prominent members.
I watched them make awesome objects to share with a select group of people and enjoyed those objects without once stopping to really think about it all meant that we had to tell others they were 'unavailable'.
I watched some pretty nasty people get a huge kick out of having these objects and flaunting it in everyone elses face that they "couldn't" have them as well.
That got me thinking.
It wasn't until just recently that I re-installed my games and bought the new EP, then started REALLY sorting out how I felt about the past and the controversies over it all that are going on now, and this is my stance, if anyone gives a shit.

I have subbed at 8DS, TSR, WDS and have donated quite a few times to ATS and several other sites over the years.
I did this thinking that my money was actually helping these sites stay online, and in some case, like ATS, i fully believe that it did.
*Sandy at ATS is a wonderful person. I spent some time getting to know her and I do think she honestly uses her donations the way she states she will. I will gladly give her money to help keep her site online and I'm kinda dissapointed that she's one of the 'misguided', although I understand it IS because she does offer objects in exchange for the donations. BUT when it comes down too it, I think it's the greed of the simmers that made it that way. Some people don't want to donate for just that warm fuzzy feeling. Some people demand things in return. Not anyone here, I've read eneough around here to know that, now. But I think she only does it that way because she feels that no one will donate to help her out if she DOESN'T offer these things.*
Back to the subject at hand, sorry.
I am a member at TSR, or atleast I was, I haven't really checked that since I started coming here and admitted to wading in the booty so I'm probably not anymore. But I never read the forums over there or anything, I just liked to look through the crap to find that one thing worth downloading.
It wasn't until I really got to reading the threads here and at SFV that I realized how greedy these people really are.
Greed is a nasty thing. It is infectious and spreads like a disease.
I started playing this game to have fun. I love to build houses, I don't even play the game itself. I spent 50 bucks a pop for each ep and I really don't think i should ahve to pay anymore to enjoy my game.
Legalities aren't my expertise, so all of the EULA TOS etc... make no sense to me unless I read what others write about it in more simple terms. But even I can see that Maxis is saying making money off items for the game is wrong.
Therefore, by offering it for download here, these "pirates" are trying to show the community that it can be better, that we don't have to fight and make scenes that make us look like assholes about the whole situation because when it comes down to it, half of the people who come over here to argue their points make themselves look like rotten, greedy children.
Here they preach "let's all band together and enjoy our games we break our wallets buying. Let's show the world that in order for us to be a real community, we need to stop thinking about money and start thinking about fun."
After all isn't a game supposed to be fun?
How can it BE fun if you have to bend over backwards, hop through hoops and open your wallet for anything you see that you'd like in your game?
It's about respect, too. You may think it's disrespectful for the pay items to be offered here for free, but I think it's disrespectful for someone to tell me that I can't have a pixel or two in my game because I don't have extra money to pay for it. I shouldn't have to pay for it. I payed for it all when I bought the damn games. These people COULDN'T make objects etc... for the game itself if it didn't exsist, so how can they think it's morally okay for them to charge for a cloned item I paid for when I bought the Pets EP or some other EP?
It makes no sense.
It's mind boggling to come over here and see the way some of these so-called respectable creators act.
Banning people simply because they post here or there or another place they themselves wouldn't ever post.
It's childish petty bullshit.
Guilt by association is one of the most closed minded things I've ever heard of.
I have been a member at many forums. I avoid some of them now simply because I don't want people to assume that because I'm there that the whole forum thinks the way I do. These are my friends and I avoid them simply because I have too if I don't want those 'respectable creators' to label them for anything I said.
I don't want them hurt.
I shouldn't have to do that,r ight? Shouldn't everyone be able to say as they feel and not have to worry about it all blowing up on someone innocent simply because they talk to them?

These problems are all caused by the same people that tell me 50 bucks is good enough for the game, but I have to 8.95 to access their shit that is CLONED from something in a game I already bought. Greedy assholes.

I have managed to ramble myself into a wall and I can't remember what my original point was anymore..lol. I tend to do that at times. I guess it could be the rum armywife fed me the other night. :lol:

I guess what it all boils down to for me is this:
This is a game. It's not a chance to make money. If you have a site that people have to pay for and then you use that money to buy a TV or anything else other than bandwidth or site shit, you're a thief.
I paid money to some sites because I thought I was helping them stay around.
I didn't realise I was supposed to feeding their children. Shouldn't people have REAL jobs for that? I have two kids of my own. Trying to scam me out of money for sims shit takes my money away them, too.

Oh, Liquid Stars … Yeah, that’s where I received my very first PM from anybody. It was from a mod (probably not you, ry) telling me off big time, because I’d tried to help out with a WCIF. She’d said that the requested thing was ‘unavailable’, and all I did was reply that I was sure I’d seen that object on a site somewhere. WHAM! then I got a beating.  :evil:

I think I did manage to make a few friends over there, though.

Lord I hope it wasn't me. I honestly don't think I EVER PMed anyone about that stuff, though, but it was long ago and who remembers for sure. On the off chance it was, sorry... :lol:
And yes, I made some friends there too. Unfortunately alot of them ended up being the type of people I no longer want to associate myself with.
Some of them are the same people i don't talk to anymore because i don't want them hurt, though, so i guess I really can't say that i have any i still talk to.

Sounds like we have another Simbella refugee. :)

About the paysites closing to punish downloaders - Since they threw their hissy fit, my little Sims 2 site's traffic has literally doubled. Thank you, paysite owners! Please, stay closed!  8)

I was a member at Simbella's for a while, but i never really got into it much because I knew the way it would all turn out, just like LS and it has.
The last time I was at Bella's it was because of a journal situation involving one of the sweetest people I've ever met. ReeAnn.
She had made a comment in her bella-journal that everyone else got mad at her at. I can't remember what it was anymore, but i know i got into with a few people at the old SFV about it. Perhaps SIH has old threads? It really doesn't matter at any rate.
What I saw were people like Amanda *Damage Inc* MaryAnn *Silverpenny* and lord i can't remember who else, any way they jumped all over and were really fucking rude and nasty about what she had posted. and it was her journal. she should have been able to say whatever she wanted. of course it was more than likely about some way simbella's was run or something similar, you understand.
But everyone jumped her case and treated her like shit for it. I've know Ree since LS, we were both mods and again at Perfect Gem. She is sweet and when she says something it's important.
I don't know. rambling again.


The thing is with me- mmekare79 or Ry is what I go by everywhere. it's my e-mail and it's been my handle on almost every forum i've belonged too. I'm not hiding at all right now and I know that there are few people who may be reading this that are disappointed in me for saying and doing the things i have said and done here. *booty*  :twisted:

Oh, I completely understand that. I've witnessed quite a bit over at Simbella's.

If those people are disappointed in you for standing up for what you believe in then they're not worth a second (let alone a first) thought.

That's true, thank you.

I don’t think it was you, ry.  :D  This one was always patrolling the WCIF’s, if I remember correctly, so I’m sure I’m not the only one who got one of those PM’s. Peggy or Pammy or something like that.

And you just had me remember what must have been one of the oldest paysite scams. There was a creator (whose name I don’t remember either) who used to showcase her stuff at Liquid Stars. She was very good and everybody adored her. She didn’t have a site of her own and would send the files to you by email. So no bandwidth, but the files were almost all pay.

At one point there was a pay/no pay discussion going on and the general consensus was that it was okay to charge for bandwidth. Then somebody, Aleesha I think, innocently asked then what about this creator? She uses Yahoo mail to send out her files, so she can’t have an awful lot of bandwidth. Is it okay for her to charge?

I’ll leave you to imagine the rest of the drama.  :twisted:

It was Micha.

Tony40 or something like that.

But for some reason I'm thinking she didn't actually do the creating on those objects, Euro did. I think she paid him or something and then charged, saying she was using the money to pay him but it wasn't adding up.
Hell I don't remember, but I was in on that, defending micha tooth and nail for a while...what a moron i was.  :lol:
But Aleesha or whomever, I remember talking to her a few times after that and she was really sweet.

Editted to add-
I could be wrong about Euro making those objects, it wouldn't be the first time I was wrong..lol. But for some reason i remember it that way.

And as for mods....there was Kimmie, Silverpenny and those are the only two i can remember with names like that... :lol:

I see your point Ry, even though you blamed me for losing it.  Here have some more rum.

When I first started visiting websites, I had no idea that it wasn't normal to pay for things.  I thought that because some of these sites were linked by EA on their site, that it was just the way things were.  I remember asking what a mesh was at TSR and got some of the most rude and ridiculous comments.  Then I went over to MTS2 and Numenor walked me through via e-mail how to download and find the meshes etc.  So nice, so talented, so humble.  When I was having issues with my download folder Beos (Yakov) at Insim was patient and explained a lot of things and never once was disrepectful or demeaning.

Don't you find it interesting that I am good enough to take money from, but not worthy enough to be given just a little help.  I find it even more interesting that free sites mods and creators were more than willing to give a newbie a break and do it with a lot of class and never asked for a penny.

In my experience thus far, it is the free sites that love what they do, love the community, participate in the community - completely,  while to a paysite - I am just another credit card number.

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I too am wondering if this free paysite content will turn into a stealing creators work and marking it as someone else's. We can't be responsible for the stealing of meshes and marking them differently but we can keep stating we don't agree with that practice and making those that do walk the plank.  Hang in there Peach the few recolors I do of clothing and objects tends to stay in my game and not be shared.  Course I have actually never had anyone ask me for them either... I have been asked for a certain sim of mine repeatedly over 3 forums now and I am still not sharing said sim.  What creators wish to do with their content is their own mission as long as it's free if they choose to share it.  

Kalliope/Magenta if you want to hide then do so, it's nothing new on this forum I am sure we have many creators that hide.  I don't create so I don't hide.  Nouk creates but she doesn't hide.  Personal preference do as you wish but don't keep baiting us with guessing games.  It shows you are a child and it's just rude and mean to bait people with information you have no wish to ever divulge.  You say we are going about this whole free paysites thing wrong and I would love to see what you would like to do.  PMBD writes letters, provide paysites with responses that what they are doing is wrong and often try to find them cheaper hosting so they might go free.  I think we even had someone offer to host a few sites too.  There is also the charity Money Better Spent that was created by the lovely ladies Gwen, Heb and a few others.  (makes mental note to contribute).  PMBD does host pay files but all of those are paid for and credited properly. SO pray tell dear what would you do different?

 :lol:
Just a bit of fun, hun.

*stumbles away with rum in a paper sack...i am henry the eigth i am....*

I think that’s exactly the point. Sadly  :(

Ry, I really didn’t want to make you feel bad. Maybe you were misguided at the time. But the important thing is that now you’ve seen the light. Here, some rum from me to you.  :D

Yes, that's right. It was Micha, and I remember someone else creating the stuff for her too.

ETA:
I think her name was Patty.

God, there were so many mods at that place...lol.
Thanks for the rum, I'll have to learn a new song to add to my repertoi---however that's spelled---just for you now.  :lol:

I can't remember a Patty, wish I could remember everything. It's the fault of that rum again. :shock:

If you remember someone else creating for her too, then I'm almost positive it WAS Euro. Was he from SimFreaks? I can't remeber that either... :oops:  :lol:

And you didn't make me feel too bad. I need to be put in my place sometimes anyways, it does a body good.  :P

Maybe Eero?

Where's a gong when you need one.
Atleast I was close, they would sound the same out loud, right?  :D

Definitely after a bottle of rum. Let's have some more ...  :lol:

Peachfish - don't give that crazy girl anymore rum!  We're going to have to send her to Pirate's Anonymous.  She's slurring her type!

Oh, okay. Then how about a can of Coke? Not spiked at all. No, really. There's nothing but Coca-Cola in there. Absolutely nothing. I swear.

*hides rum bottle behind her back*

:lol:
How can you slur type? LMAO.
Of course if anyone could manage to do it, it would probably be me. :P


Sneaks off towards the back of Peachfish. *yo ho ho, it's a pirate's life for me*



What rum? :shock:

Oh, sorry.  :oops: Want the Coke instead?

No...sh...i was pretending it didn't exist.
 :lol:
But I'll take a pepsi to chase if you have one somewhere back there, too. :P

Lemme see ... Nope. No Pepsi I'm afraid. Would a bottle of rum do, though. *hands over bottle*

And then we should probably stop highjacking this thread. Just in case Kaliope comes back ... or Armywife.  :lol:

Oop :shock:
Yeah. I tend to do that, hijack threads and whatnot.
Sorry ladies, do continue. :)

I'm just reading and taking names......Muwahahahaha

You don't know me.  You weren't there.  You're like a child looking for names to call.  You are a gossip monger.  You listen to everything you hear.  It's pitiful.

You also said you haven't been onto my site.  So how the hell do YOU know I stole anything??  

Also, I take great offence in being associated with necromancy.  Do you even know what it is?  If you DID know me, you would also know I am a Christian.  An imperfect Christian, but I do my best.  Keep your witchcraft to yourself and keep religeon, creed and lifestyle out of your bullshit.

Armywife:

Sorry if I took your post personally.  Your comments DID sound like you were bringing the military into it.  I am proud and I don't appreciate you or anyone else telling me how to be a Marine's wife.  My husband got his leg broken in several places so you can have the freedom to bitch at me.  God bless the USA and our military men & women.

You may proceed...

Gee, I thought you said you were done discussing this five pages ago. Methinks the lady doth protest too much.

Note that I stopped....care to follow suit?

My best advice would be to....


Just...

Stop...

Typing...

Because the context in which necromancy was being used, has nothing to do with religion, creed or lifestyle. You looked completely.... foolish with that.


I don't know whether to laugh my ass off or go off, so I'll go the PC way and laugh my ass off.

Eh, I was bored...

Besides, I heard my name taken in vane.  That other one had to jump on the bandwagon.  How could I not respond?  Necromancy???  Who says that, honestly...



Okay, I got this just for you since you don't seem to know what it is either:

Necromancy is the act of conjuring the dead for divination. It dates back to Persia, Greece and Rome, and in the Middle Ages was widely practiced by magicians, sorcerers, and witches. It was condemned by the Catholic Church as "the agency of evil spirits," and in Elizabethan England was outlawed by the Witchcraft Act of 1604.

Necromancy is not to be confused with conjuring devils or demons for help. Necromancy is the seeking of the spirits of the dead. The spirits are sought because they, being without physical bodies, are no longer limited by the earthly plane. Therefore, it is thought these spirits have access to information of the past and future which is not available to the living. It has been used to help find sunken or buried treasure, and whether or not a person was murdered or died from other causes.

The practice of necromancy has been compared by some to modern mediumistic or practiced spiritualism. Many consider it a dangerous and repugnant practice. Dangerous because it is alleged that when some spirits take control of the medium they are reluctant to release their control for some time.

Necromancy is not practiced in Neo-pagan Witchcraft, but it is practiced in Voodoo.

There are two noted kinds of necromancy: the raising of the corpse itself, and the most common kind, the conjuring or summoning of the spirit of the corpse. A.G.H.

Mkay, this can be derived as creed or lifestyle and even part of religeon.

Thank you, and good night.


I'll be done now.

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OMFG
How come I don't have that cute laughing guy motie? You guys need more moties.
That cat is awesome. :lol:

First off it is spelled RELIGION...

Second you kept typing. So from now on, I see you sitting in the Fucking Nut corner with Magenta. Because I care less what the dictionary, apocryphal, Biblical definition is; on the net, in the context it was used in has nothing to do with that.


Now please, really be done with this and sit in your corner.

With 22 years as an Army wife, I have served my time as well in the name of freedom and I have nothing to prove to you.  You and your smartass comments are just annoying and stupid.  You are a complete joke on this site.  The fact that you don't know it yet, makes it that much funnier.  I am done with this issue and done with you.  Go do laundry or something..

Gosh, you'd think someone who's got her own forum would know that necromancy online is about resurrecting dead threads.

Guess I was wrong, BTG, about assuming anyone who's been online for a while has some 'net savvy.  You won the bet! I owe you a tenner.

Don't fear the Reaper baby!

<grabs the tenner and runs before Hecubus can renege on it!>


CATCH ME IF YOU CAN!

BTG - you forgot one - "vane" = Weather vane; "vain" - the meaning we were taking her name in.  

Hec, you were right about the whole thing.

What about me? I want a tenner.

Stop...typing...so...effin'...fast.

Goes for all you.

I was going to say something that actually went along with the current convo but I forgot.  8)

Woo! :D

Damn it, I hate when I miss a good misuse. I was preoccupied....


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So that means I get five of the tenner and the duck gets nada!

No tenner for me...

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Same deal as with Hecubus, you've got to catch me first. LMAO!

You only get cash if BTG is willing to share. She was the only one smart enough to make the bet BEFORE the necromancy discussion!

Hey ERD, you catch her I grab the tenner - five for you and five for me.  Y'in?

She's goin' DOWN!

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You're a good duck.

BTG - don't make me hunt you down...

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I'm not scared because.....


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Oh yeah, well
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The entertainment and self-exploitation who calls itself BlackPearl has returned.....



But I ran out of popcorn!!!  :cry:

Shhhh Slayer "It" might come back.....she has her "spys" ya know

EDIT: Popcorn?  You didn't even share dammit!

I thought the convo was pretty entertaining too. Damn...

Now, now armywife.....


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Um..

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:mrgreen: (Just for the sake of randomness)


and armywife, I would've made more popcorn, but Hecubus would've eatened it all :(

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I gots some peanut butter, but I'm fresh out of popcorn.

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I have the popcorn...


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Come on Ry -

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here u go a sammich

I can cast a spell to make some popcorn appear :mrgreen: The weird religious lady sayz i can haz witchcraft

SLAYER I WANT (http://www.roflcat.com/images/cats/1161118378057.jpg)

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ETA: I'm having a hard time with this pic. LMAO

Hey my signature says so too! Does this mean I get a magic wand?

I wish I would have found this earlier in the thread
(http://www.roflcat.com/images/cats/animal-satire-kitten-cat-sword-feli.jpg)

(http://www.organix.us/images/moocow.jpg)

use the url button

(http://www.roflcat.com/images/cats/1168702253-11674885811774361.jpg)

Moo

Nothing here move on

Nah, you aren't, BUT......



(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x52/bootypiratepmbd/magikkat.jpg)

No, she owns the weird religious lady.  8) Since I'm a witch do I get a wand and a spell book? ^_^

Only if I can have a hook.
 :lol:

(http://www.roflcat.com/images/cats/curseyouvillainsu5.jpg)

(http://www.impawards.com/1991/posters/hook_ver1.jpg)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x52/bootypiratepmbd/mothershipcat.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/mmekare79/Cats/270917405_1c8cb1fb12.jpg)

Damn Slayer, I just read your sig, too funny.  I'm out.  Nite!

Well, to start off you will just have to do with this...

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x52/bootypiratepmbd/wizard.jpg)

(http://www.catwack.com/pics/560.jpg)

Well, not really...but I couldn't resist.  :lol:

Kitteh iz awesurme!
(http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/3269/tubekittenxi2.jpg)

I have socks like that. Srsly.  :P

(http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u114/fireman1_2_3_4/edumacation.jpg)

Education is a good cure for netspeak, but unfortunately 'popularity and conforming' is more important than that.

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For shabby attempt you Auqamarine, you get this....


(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x52/bootypiratepmbd/no-you-cant-has-cheezburger.jpg)

(http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u208/liverspout/wazaapcat.jpg)

Random kitteh drive by......


(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x52/bootypiratepmbd/chow_yun_cat.jpg)

:lol: I like that one BTG.

(http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u208/liverspout/fartcat.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/mmekare79/Cats/butter.jpg)

Damn I have no kitties...

So instead have you seen Solander's new 'How To Rule the World' set @ Insim  (http://www.insimenator.net/showthread.php?t=54016)

Love the flip charts! :lol:

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb1/Minolia_arr/htrtw_05_large.jpg
 
pic behind a link cos of the hugeness

OMG! Those HTRTW charts are awesome! I love the pirate one. I guess I need to start offending more people though or I'll never rule the world...

Those are fucking brilliant!  *claps hands to Solander*  Great stuff :D

I am offended by this - to use the Lord's name in vain - terrible.

See? I help. You're on your way to ruling the world, Duckie.

Um...do you guys not realize he's slammed us too?

I love the look of the set, but I'm not thrilled by the idea that pirates don't listen to anyone but other pirates...we've been quite open to the general sims community. It's only when paysites get defended (or 12ness infects us) that we raise our scabbards instead of our rum.

Oh well, maybe it's just me.

No - me too - just what's the point - wasting our breath telling him how nice we are.  He has slammed us too - but this is no surprise - since this thread started with him slamming us.

If he were to come back, claims of being angry and not meaning to will mean nothing - nor will other claims he made.

But I stand by being offended - if Duckie achieves world domination - I will be happy....I mean offended. Solander is a joke.

Well, I will have to possibly take back my more kinder words to him, should have treated him to a trip to my FN corner (for those that don't know, just search my posts. LOL).


Cala, Duckie MUST NOT be allowed to achieve world domination, her ego is already larger than Thoma$, as it is.

I think he was more making a joke toward Pescado because he's the admin of this site. Remember that it was a joke too people.

Personally, I don't think we should take it (Solander's set at insim) as a real jab. I think it's classy and funny, much like Solander himself. Pirates should have thicker skin.

I thought it was funny as hell! :lol:

I don't think so either. And if it is, he's definitely taking a jab at pay creators too. I mean: "Start creating stuff of whatever quality", "Try to patronize as many people as possible", "Ignore anyone not being a pay creator". Doesn't exactly sound like a promotional text to me.

I think he's basically trying to raise the flag for free creators. Kudos and respect to Solander from me. (And some rum, it he wants it).  :lol:

Read all three flipcharts and you will see, that you guys are slammed the same way the pay creators are ;) It's almost the same text. And no, i didn't mean anyone in person or something like this. But as someone mentioned before, check the first pages of the thread. In the first version of the text at my site, you felt offended by, I did state clearly, that i left the contact form and guestbook open, if someone wanted to talk with me. Well, noone of you did, but started to flame here :) I was really surprised, as it hadn't come to my mind for a second, that you guys could feel offended, and the fact, that i did change the text, shows, that i did not intend to do so. But regarding the first few pages of this thread: Some of it was fun to read, something somewhat less, but i think we should call it quits now.

I do not care about what you are doing and i do not care about pay sites. I run a free site, which is quite enough for me, and i won't bother neither pay nor pirate sites with any missionary statements :)

It was kind of a Solander joke, which as always offends almost everyone, but well, i do not care  :wink:

Yep, i did :) But, to answer your edited second phrase in your posting, it's obviously a huge problem for me, that nobody does understand me in the first try ;)

I think most of us knew it was a joke and found it quite funny. Face it. You're a funny guy.

Exactly, it was just a joke. And when you think of Pescado the chart is pretty true and he knows it, and I know that he wouldn't be offended by this. Also think about all the insults and threats we've gotten from pay artists and did that offend us? And they were serious about those attacks, but we laughed at it. So why not do the same with these charts. No. Free creators who make a joke are not our enemy.

Oy, I can understand racial jokes being offensive but get a grip people. There was no reason to get our panties in a bunch over this. Especially that he isn't even a pay creator. Seriously. You guys are being too sensitive.

I actually thought it was funny as shit.  He was much more mocking of the paysite creators than us.   He could have really torn us up a lot harder if he would have wanted to.  He made it much better to be a free creator which is what we all want anyway.   I don't really think he thought it would bother anyone and he didn't have to explain himself either.

I concur! I just wanted to add that us pirates should be the last ones to be offended. I mean we pretty much poke fun at ourselves like this all the time. I thought it was funny too. Extremely funny because I'm doped up on perks at the moment but if I wasn't it would still be mildly funny.

Those charts were almost funnier than my signature :P

He slammed everyone. I found it very funny. If you can't laugh at yourself once in a while, then who can you laugh at?

Everyone else. Duh.  :D

Pardon me. My suspicious nature is on high alert lately.

Obviously, but I was trying to be nice about it...  :lol:

Hecubus, recent events have everyone on guard.  Have some rum. :)

Hec - Well you have had the escapees from the insane asylum stalking you and making up ridiculous stories.  Who wouldn't be?  Eh, blow off those bitches and don't let their rants get to you.    You're still the head wench, ax and all and just for you

(http://www.roflcat.com/images/cats/inuraccountkd2.jpg)

:shock:    wow armywife    :shock:

that looks like my better half when I say I want to use the computer...

imagine that look combined with "I'm NOT finished yet!"    :(

It strikes me as less of a joke and more of a statement. Something along the lines of; I'm stuck in the middle of this, leave me in peace. Solander either has achieved, or wants to achieve, a zen state of balance. Then again, my psychology 101 class could just be rearing it's over analytical head once again.

Hey, that's just like me and SimPE. It never understands me in the first try ... or the second or the third, for that matter.  :?

Rum for Mama Hec. You deserve it.

ETA: Typos. One day I'll learn to do a Preview before Submitting.

Ok. Mr. Miyagi -

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/2e/Pat-Morita_%28Karate_Kid%29.jpg/220px-Pat-Morita_%28Karate_Kid%29.jpg)

Yup, he slammed pretty much everyone. Yes it was funny, no I don't feel offended at all.

Let me just say, though, that his original message on his site, the one before he completely changed it, the one that got me and other people confused about his motives, makes much more sense now. I did say I wasn't able to instantly accept his explanations and that I needed time. Well, time got me my answers :wink:

May you forever walk in gardens of peace and tranquility. And may your ass be forever smart.  :wink:

Ah, you are a good master, here I have more wisdom for you to bestow:

1. Virginity like bubble, one prick, all gone.


2. Man who run in front of car get tired.


3. Man who run behind car get exhausted.


4. Man with hand in pocket feel cocky all day.


5. Foolish man give wife grand piano, wise man give wife upright organ.


6. Man who walk through airport turnstile sideways going to Bangkok.


7. Man with one chopstick go hungry.


8. Man who scratch ass should not bite fingernails.


9. Man who eat many prunes get good run for money.


10. Baseball is wrong: man with four balls cannot walk.

I see I have much to learn yet. :? Until then, may you drink from the fountain of prosperity and pee puddles and puddles of bliss.

In order to gain the understanding and align with the universe, here are more for you:

11. Panties not best thing on earth but next to best thing on earth.

12. War does not determine who is right, war determine who is left.

13. Wife who put husband in doghouse soon find him in cat house.

14. Man who fight with wife all day get no piece at night.

15. It take many nails to build crib, but one screw to fill it.

16. Man who drive like hell, bound to get there.

17. Man who stand on toilet is high on pot.

18. Man who live in glass house should change clothes in basement.

19. Man who fish in other man's well often catch crabs.

20. Crowded elevator smell different to midget.

22. Man who drop watch in toilet have shitty time.

23. Man trapped in pantry have ass in jam.

24. Woman who pounce on dead rooster go down on limp cock

(http://www.roflcat.com/images/cats/senseicat.jpg)

hehe


 :lol:

I find this very funny, because I'm a shorty and 5 feet flat. Good one, AW.
Fifths of rum are awaiting your disposal. 8)

...same here. I hate being little.

I actually edited out a few, they were a little too, hmmm, descriptive.  I'm glad you thought they were funny.  I just try to get Snarky to spew liquid when reading whenever I can.

My co-worker, Mrs. MIDGETT, loves this and plans to use this in her email signature.  :lol:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/mmekare79/smileys/lol5.gif)


*stolen smiley's rock*

Why yes, yes they do!

*steals smiley and adds to sekrit stash*

Hey Duckie - you stole Jan-ebonics too!  Damned duck..

Ach Theif!
Oh, wait.... :lol:

I have tons of smilies. Need something in particular? LOL

(http://www.derailedsims2.com/images/smileys/devil%20nah%20nah.gif)