PMBD

http://www.modyourpanties.com/hosting/070720024748-ReplyFromEA.jpg

Yeah, I know Nouk's correspondences with EA have probably been posted somewhere here repeatedly and there's probably already an appropriate thread, but this is brand spankin' new, and I don't feel like wading through the old stuff to find where to put it.

Sure, I'm lazy, but I will accept hugs and flowers nonetheless.  I think that's about the best statement on the whole subject we're gonna get from 'em.

Pretty sure the last argument the paysites have to stand on is "Waaah, you're mean!" now.

From what I've been reading they're using that argument almost exclusively now.

You rock HP - but you know you put a name at the bottom that you haven't blanked out.  Just after sincerely.

*giggles hysterically*

Oh, that's going to cause some to foam at the mouth.

Yeah, I know, Calalily.  I thought of blanking it out, but I really don't care - ain't nobody gonna be able to track me down with that.  :)

Woot! That's great! I wonder what contorted arguments the paysite owners will come up with now.

Just so long as you know that, I'm fine.  It must be nice to have a name like Smith - you could post your real name anywhere.  

And maybe someone with access to legal databases find you.....like me  :lol:

It's not my legal name.  ;)

Say the name outloud fast, Cala.  :wink:  :lol:

With all the e-mail screenshots there are, it seems like the only thing they can get riled up about are the ethics/morals.

And if there's anything I've learnt from the debate section about arguing morals...

Just call me doofus of the week.



Yeah - they're boned.  I'm sure it'll be all about the harassment now  :?

:D Excellent. Hopefully the bright paysite owners/creators will realise finally EAs take on all this, and go free. We are continuously getting the feedback from EA that you can not sell content, but they (paysites) still argue with this..its ridiculus.

Thanks for posting that HP  8)

I lol'd.  xD

Don't feel bad Pescadette-a-lily, I can join you in that doofus award.  I didn't get it either.  :oops:

Ah, but I know how to defuse that one easily:
"Yes. Yes, I am."

Gah. Tell that to Rose. She insists that she uses copyrighted models and that EA can't legally force her to go free.

I say, "Wooo! Go HP!"

Rose's recent arguments about her making her own meshes and textures and that making it hers, and others having used that argument, or at least bringing it up as a possible justification, was exactly why I asked about stuff made without their tools with completely original meshes and textures.  

Can't just slap a new windshield and a fresh coat of paint on a Ford and claim it's a Rose.

Of course, it wouldn't -stop- paysites and they'll just come up with yet another whiny excuse as to why they don't have to listen, and EA will do nothing, but it is very very nice to see it confirmed.

Question about the links to paysites on the official site in the community fansites section and whether or not paysites will be invited to any future EA functions... sent.  ;)

Just gotta tell you you've made my day, HP.  :D

I can't deny I really really want to see the answers to those questions.:twisted:  

And kudos on making your other set of questions so unambiguous that no one's managed to twist or reinterpret them as allowing pay items.

Well, you COULD, but then the nice young men in their clean white coats will be coming to take you away, hah hah...


If it's cool with you, I'll add this to the 'EA's Stance' page at Money Better Spent.

You've got me mentally singing that now, Hec!



This is brilliant news. Well done!

Sure, Hecubus.  Go for it.  :)

HP, may I hot-link to that .jpg from the Sims2 Noir? (http://thesims2noir.celynoir.com) I really want to blog this.

You'll need to rehost, I think, as MYP has a non-referrermajigger.  But sure, I don't mind people going, "Hey, lookit this!" and it's just a Firefox screenshot, not a drawing or anything.  Go for it.  :)

Wee, this is wonderful! :D *dusts off the pirate speak translator to celebrate the moment*

Arr! Ye scallywags! Give me some rum smartly, me hearties, t' celebrate th' joyous occasion!  8)

This is great stuff.  We now have everything in writing and can now sit back and watch paysites whine themselves to death  :D

Can't just slap a new windshield and a fresh coat of paint on a Ford and claim it's a Rose.

That is just too damn funny.

I actually would be very interested to see what Thomas has to say and how he will "lure" EA to paysites

Send HP a big hug and Flowers! :)

You know....I have that list of paysite email address at my site...maybe I should send them this - stir up the shit a bit.

Do it, do it, DO IT! This made my day, and now if you will excuse me, I'm off to bake some oatmeal/raisin cookies!

I have some plans to send a little something along to some of the "less evil" paysites like ATS, Holy Simoly, and Rensim.  I'd personally prefer they not be shitstirred at, as they're not near as bad as some of the others and could probably be swayed to fully free, but I won't tell ya what to do.  ;)

I was thinking more of the real thieves, as opposed to the 'misguided'.

I would love to help the ones we love find ways of increasing donations and get them to remove the pay items.

i say go for it hecubus

Huzzah, this is awesome news HP!  :D  No shades, no fuckin greys, just something so crystal clear that no one could whine about it and making it pro-pay without making a complete fool out of themselves :D

I'd so join Navigator's piratey celebration now if only that Not-Apsalar entity didn't insist on speaking for her all the time  :roll: ...

So...yesterday afternoon I sent a letter to MOST of the paysite owners (HP will be writing to a few of them):



So far, the responses have been....interesting.

From Alice Fashion:


Right. So this is free? http://www.alicefashion.com/donation_center.htm

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From M&M Needful Things:


So...paying is okay if it keeps the kiddies out? Um...interesting excuse.

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And more from M&M (because he couldn't let it go)



Hmm. Paying for a service? Right. The service of getting pay items. GAH.

I love how I'm being told to handle this like a 'big person'....um, golly. Was there even a HINT of 12ness in my email?

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And from my dearest friend and favorite Teutonic Twat, Marilu (TSR, Sims2 Studio):


Which, roughly translated, means 'kiss my shiny metal ass'. (It actually says something closer to "like i care what YOU want."(

I expected as much from Marilu...I've been a thorn in her side for a little while now.

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I think the funniest thing is that these people only want friendly conversation or advice. God forbid they entertain an ALTERNATIVE (and right) opinion! They clearly can't argue the FACTS, so they come up with other bullshit.

More as I get it.

Well the "good" people at M&M didn't worry about access to 18+ content in sims 1 did they?  I know I downloaded some extremely explicit and free animations from them.

But it's all about the chilluns isn't it?

well thats a mature and reasoned reply   :roll:

Oh my *sigh* I actually feel disappointed, because I was hoping for better replies. *goes off and cries into a corner with a bottle of rum*

I can't believe those stupid replies. Having proof and being civil accomplishes nothing with these people. I was going to say that they are in denial, but that's not true at all. The simple truth is that they are greedy bastards, and I applaud your patience in emailing them. I don't think I could deal with their bullshit long enough to reply to them.  There's a special place in Sims hell for these folks. Where you're only allowed to wear Niven clothes, Peggy hair, and live in a house "decorated" by Atwa. And Openhouse Jack is your roomate.

:shock: Remind me to always be on the good side of the sim gods....just remind me of sacrifice days cause I'm bad with dates ;)

Well, I just read a discussion on a German board about this (Your caonfirmation from EA, HP)
And they are laughing out loud! They all got the email with the link to the exchange between HP and EA. And the comments:

Marilu (TSR) I am sad there is no smiley that gives them the bird (followed by laughing smiley)
Teko/Murano: Laughable, as if EA would force the best Fansites to go free!
(followed by laughing smiley)

Who do they think they are - wonderful creators sent by the sim gods who should be worshipped? what sad sad pathetic people  :roll:  :lol:

That is such a frightening and yet just punishment. I applaud you for that.

For those that are still insistent that their pay items are donation gifts, ask them for their tax id and business information.

The responses you have received so far really disgust me.  I want violence but I will settle for shaming them and waking them up to their boneheaded-ness instead.

ETA:  For the longest time I could download the Sims 1 adult stuff from M&M from their main site.. there was no restrictions.  They moved it to a yahoo group where you can lie there about your age if you want.  So now the strategy is that you have to "prove your age" through the credit card?  Um, kids use their parent's credit cards all the time..

Mikey??  Runs an adult website for sims?  Seriously, what adult goes by Mikey?  That is fucking classic.

Actually my older cousin's boyfriend who was around 25 went by Mikey but he had a reason. His college football coach is a bastard and said that Michael was too long to say so now everybody on the team has to call him Mikey. Now everybody calls him that

Ok...continue with the topic.

Michael is too long to say?

My-kul.

Mikey is just as long.

My-key.

Michael is only two letters longer than Mikey.  o.O

Mike, on the other hand, is only a single syllable, and if pronouncing two syllables really tires you out, then it would be the better choice.

Call the coach and tell him that  :lol: He doesn't usually think about things...he just screams.

It was the three exclamation points that followed it that I thought were the most bizarre. It was like he really wanted Hecubus to know he was screaming, but oddly enough, only screaming his own name. Maybe he's very unremarkable in person and people have a tendency to forget it after they've heard it once and this is his method to make sure it's remembered.

Also, that is the worst excuse for being a paysite that I've ever heard. There are several ways that you could handle the situation of "poor chilluns" seeing your site aside from charging "adult" suckers. Of course, the other ways wouldn't earn you any dough, aside from posting related advertisements. Which I also don't get, I mean if he's already running an adults only Sims website, what difference would it make having porn related advertisements on the page? Is he worried about losing customers? It certainly can't be that he's worried about the ads insulting his delicate sensibilities.

Well, you know, Mando, that is probably the only way he can ever hear someone screaming his name (you should think dirty)...is to do it himself.

wanna know the best part of Mikey's reply?

His email address is hedrednek@(whatever the thing was...I can't recall now).


Oh...and LULZ at Teko/Marilu's comments. Give me a break. Would be die if we didn't have Murano Mobilia, Sims2Studio, and TSR?

I think of THIS guy when I read "Mikey" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Mikey)

 :lol:

According to someone I know from Ukraine, in Ukranian, mikey means 'underpants'.

The reactions of the Teutonic Twats are heave-inducing; I'm surprised other paysites don't come down on them for their open displays of outright greed...it's making them all look so bad!   :roll:

M&M's 'excuse' of weeding out minors is horse shit, because the pay area has many non-adult items.

If he was really serious along those lines,  there are other online 'services' (ie Adult Pass), that while pay,  are geared towards adult sites.  But then they probably don't pay HIM enough...

First of all, thank you, HP, for getting answers to the tough questions.  As you stated, it can not be any more clear... paysites are illegal.  Distributing their content here is not. :)  It's great to hear EA finally say this.  I'm going to keep a copy as well.

As for some of the paysite owners responses.. excuse my language, but what a bunch of arrogant fucktards!  These people seriously have no morals.  They are disgusting.  If some of the people paying for their "services" could see what is going on behind the scenes, they would no doubt turn against them as well.

Well maybe it was not so clear after all...
http://forums.sims2community.com/showpost.php?p=956880&postcount=483

It sounds pretty typically wishy-washy coming from them (EA and not HP :lol: ). My guess is that they just don't really want to take a side as yet (it's not worth it or profitable as yet to do so), and are just waiting until they have to or until they think up some equally vague statement.

I wonder if he's the same guy from the Life cereal box, only now he's changed his slogan to, "Mikey likes paysites, so they must be good!" Not seriously, though, but that's the image my recovering (ha) brain (bigger ha) comes up with...

The fact that Mikey from M&M told you to "deal with it like a big person" makes me laugh.  Back in the Sims 1 days, someone put up a yahoo adults sims groups and shared his animations in the files.  His attempt at getting them to remove the files consisted of verbal attacks in messages posted to the group; followed by filling up the rest of the file space on the Yahoo group with .jpg images of random pictures, all signed with his name in capital letters followed by a series of exclamation points - or the name Redneck Klingon, also in all caps.  Nice to see he's grown up over the years.

kitkat

Heh...the more things change, the more they stay the same!

Silly Mikey.

You know what they say, "Trix are for kids"   :lol:

I just saw where Mikey registered here.  You don't think?  Surely not?

Mikey is so common it'd be hard to tell unless he said so. But the timing is suspicious though.

I wouldn't have thought much of it if it wasn't done in all caps.  It would be even more suspicious if there were some exclamation marks in there.

LMAO, folks.  It's called an ID.  LOL.  Funny as hell.

Let me just say this; My reply (the one you are getting so much of a kick out of) was meant to give the recipient(s) the reasons for what we do.  (Not that I really think it is anyone's business anyway)

As for calalily downloading adult content for free, well shame on you if you were under age and downloaded it.  We learned from that and that is why we have a sub fee now...FYI...The website and server came a looooong time after the Yahoo group...

As for the group I filled up with nonsensical pics and posts...let me fill you in on something you probably weren't aware of.  We were being harassed by a fellow who kept requesting, then demanding, that we make him child porn for the SIMs.  We would ban him, and he would come back under a new IP and ID.  We'd figure it out, and the cycle would repeat.  There was also another fellow who was quite rude as well as a bully to other folks in the community, as well as a few others...We found out they were planning on posting a bunch of adult and nude children items on that group (which happened to be an abandoned group with no mod or owner left) so I filled the file section up so they couldn't post it.  Would you rather I had done nothing?  

And one more thing...the 3 '!!!' and the caps in 'MIKEY!!!'are not to indicate "yelling"...they are just there because I liked the effect.  Sorry to disappoint you.  

Anyway, I am way off the beaten track from my point...which is this;

We are open to alternative ideas to pay for our bandwidth and administration costs.  As long as they are ideas we agree with.  (Rude, suggestive RL porn ads not included).  If you want to talk to me, feel free to email me @ redneckklingon@yahoo.ca and we'll talk.

If you want to call me names and play childish games, then at least have the balls to do it directly to me.  That is all I ask.

Regards,
MIKEY!!!

You folks aren't really as daft as all that 'muck' you just posted, are you?

I'm not trying to hide, folks.  Here I am.

BTW, I tried to use '!!!' but it wouldn't take in the username on this forum.

MIKEY!!!

Suspicious, indeed!

Please say it isn't so!  ARRRRGGGGHHH!!!

I applaud your handling of the child porn sickos, but you could have taken it further and provided their IP to authorities. Just an idea because I have some extreme views on child pornographers and the people who traffic in the spread of it. As for coming up for cost money, how bout setting up a donate button with no strings attatched? You know what I mean, donate money to help us keep going just for that warm fuzzy feeling. No perks, no bonus, just the knowledge that they are helping to keep a site going that they enjoy getting content from. MTS 2 does it, InSim does it, and I really think that your site could do it too. I'm sure there are wiser people here than me on this issue, so will turn it over to them and I for one hope that you find the way to a free site. Cheers!

ETA: Um, MIKEY, people really do prefer it if you allow someone to post between your comments, k?

Dude, right now you're just trolling. Your first post was fairly good and made sense, but the others where pointless.

The skinny: There is an edit button

I get cookies and rum!  Well you've to admit MIKEY that it does sound like a kid's name.  Most men go by Mike or Michael.  

Your reasons for wanting to protect underage and keep out the porno looneys is understandable.  I think by saying here that you are open to other suggestions, and you are serious about it, there are quite a few here who will help you.

I just always think of the Life Cereal commercial when I think of Mikey.  I think I like your smart ass sense of humor though.  Interesting.  But, it was all done out in the open, not hidden and we have all been laughed at here at one time or another.

We did give the IP, home address, telephone number, and all the rest of the info the the authorities in his home state of Wisconsin, and they did nothing.

A Donate button?  We thought about that but herein lies the rub; It would wholly depend on folks donating enough to cover our costs.  Which there would be no guarantee of, as right now I am in a group of almost 4000 people who think they have a right to have free access to anything there heart desires.  As well, then how do we maintain an iota of control of minors accessing our wares?

MTS2 does it, yes.  But they beg and plead for funds, and make promises that "can only be kept by your generosity".  I won't beg and solicit.  They may as well go pay with what they are doing.

redneck klingon???  any relation to.......


(http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/2892/bloodsuckingredneckvampjw3.jpg)

I apologize if it appears I am trolling.  I was actually just amused, and surprised, that you folks were so surprised I would actually come here.

I mean, why not.  Some of you have obviously been to mine.

Damn, this board just never gets dull. Exit Jan enter MIKEY. The sim community's answer to Larry Flynt.

Come on Mikey.  Can you really in all fairness compare your site to MTS2?  As for file hosting, we have people on this site who will host you at no cost.  You may put a donate button, but no pay or donation content.  As to minors, I got news for you.  With credit cards and debit cards that can be purchased as gifts with an amount of money already loaded, you could very well have minors in your site already.  Unfortunately, that is a fact of the internet.  I am sure that with all of the freesite owners within this community, something can be done that satisfactorily solves these issues.  Hecubus is the one that can help direct you in that and you will find that we may be a bunch of smart ass pirates, but we are also willing to come to the table and help a site that wants to offer content to the community.

EDIT:  There are kids in my neighborhood that have their own credit cards for expenses provided by their parents.  No, I am not that stupid.  But some parents don't care.

I still say your 'claim' that you do it only to keep the kiddies from the adult stuff is horse shit.  If that was so, your pay stuff would be ONLY adult stuff.  But there is plenty of non-adult content in your pay area.  You are simply using this claim as a ruse to justify bilking your subscribers.

Because "MIKEY!!!" bespeaks a connotation of fun and mischief, is why.  As well, there were some things I was sorely tempted to say about 'armywife' and 'kitkat'in the name of humor.  But I held back.  LOL.

It's ok that you've come here and that you've offered to change if given the chance.

Edit is your friend my dear.

I've never even heard of your site but cheers if you decide to go free and damn your eyes if you don't.

Go ahead.  I am an Army wife and proud to be one.

Edit:  I've never been to your site and had not heard of it until the post was made by Hecubus.

redneck klingon???  any relation to.......


yaardarm monkey??  Any relation to the monkey that crawled out of that guys ass in that Jim Carrey movie?  The resemblance is astounding.

Great.  Another Andrew Dice Clay/Jerry Seinfeld hybrid wanna-be!

So explain what the costs are to the people.  If they think the site is worth it, the costs will get covered.




So if even one percent of the people (40) donate 5 bucks, thats $200, and thats a lowball figure



If you didnt want people to download your stuff, why make a site in the first place? or am I missing something here?




So you put a "I am over 18" button for them to click; other 'adult' sites have that...if some kid clicks it its their problem.  Hell, kids can see worse stuff that pixel nipples by simply doing a Google Image search.  :?
So I think this 'control over minors' is a red herring.

You actually started off somewhat half decent...but your trollish true colors didnt take long to come out it seems.

I never compared our site to MTS2.  Y'all did.  As for minors, if the parents give them credit cards and a means to pay for stuff over the internet, then it is ultimately them who will have to 'pay the piper' when their kid gets caught.  Meanwhile, out of all the options available to control minors, ours is the most efficient and effective at this time.

Snarky - We need a zen moment

DAMN DOUBLE POST

You're right, my bad.   :oops:

You actually started off somewhat half decent...but your trollish true colors didnt take long to come out it seems.[/quote]


Ahhhhh, I see.  So it's okay for all of you to hammer me with questions, but I'm a troll for trying to respond to all the posts directed at me at one time?

And it's okay for you to attempt to "make fun of me" (in the name of good fun, of course), but I'm not supposed to do it back?

You know, if you look at my posts, I am 'talking' to the ones that are being civil.  I am 'poking back' at the ones who are being aggressive, vindictive, and rude.

I'm sorry if you can't accept it, but with me, how you approach me begets how I come back at you.  In other words; "do unto others, as you would have done unto you"...Gee, I think someone said that before...

OK. I am asking the pirates to knock it off for a moment, k?

Mikey, we have slammed back and forth.  Let's stop.  No good is coming of this whatsoever.  As entertaining as it can get, the end result is that we (freesite/file sharers - pick one) would like to support sites that want to go free.  If you are serious, and I hope you are, then let's discuss it.  Knock off the sarcastic remarks, quite typing so damn fast and posting.

If you read through this board in total, you will see that we do get trolled quite frequently.

And perhaps your claim to have "Freed Willy" is horseshit and you are a eunuch!  LOL.  Sorry. Brain laughed and had to expel it.

Think what you will.  I have been running this gambit for longer than some of you have had internet, and I know that the diehard ones of you will never accept what I can say.  Frankly, I don't care if anyone thinks I'm 'full of shit' or not.  I know the truth.  That is what matters to me

Ok, are you done now?  You have flamed back.  So, my understanding is that you want:

1.  Hosting Paid
2.  Age limiting access

It that all of your concerns or did I miss something?

Again, I apologize for the "trolling".  I was merely trying to answer every post directed to me.  anyway..I have company. Will be back in a little bit. So fire away.  But I cannot promise to not fire back at sarcasm

Fair enough.  I wasn't asking that you not answer back or flame back either, I was asking for an all-around cease fire.  Ok?  If someone goes at you, by all means, have a go at them.  

Are there any issues that I missed that need to be addressed if you are to become a 100% freesite?  I pm'ed Hecubus and hopefully she will be around shortly.  

To the whole trolling bit, I would like to give you the benefit of the doubt.  If I am wrong, it won't be the first time.

No we love that. Just be funnier doing it. :D  And to clarify I am ambivalent about Larry Flynt, just as I am ambivalent about you. For now...


(armywife, I owe you 1 zen moment. It just ain't in there right now :( )

Ah, Snarky, did you read my inspiration in the other thread?  

*I got rum for you, gives Snarky some rum with tequila chasers*

Gambit or racket?
>I have been running this gambit for longer than some of you have had internet<
I highly doubt it, I've been online back in the days of ARPANET.  Hell, I can remember people complaining about being forced to use TCP/IP.

If you have been at it so long, then you will realize that this whole 'pay vs free' debate is almost unique to Sims.  (Maybe with the exception of games designed for sales, like Second Life.)  In other mod-able games, paysites are simply NOT tolerated, either by the 'community' or the publisher.

That is why I am here, not because I beleive that charging for custom content is illegal, but because I beleive it is IMMORAL.

But you still have dodged my question, why isn't your pay content adult only?

Well, I'm here.

Not sure what I can add, except that there are security systems for adult content sites that don't require charges....and there are MANY sites who will offer free hosting for sims sites. If you look on this page (http://www.freewebs.com/moneybetterspent/gofree.htm) (URL will change when I move my site off freewebs, so get while the gettin's good), you can see those links.

I don't mind adult content, although with the lack of really good animations (we had better ones in TS1 for this sort of thing), I don't enjoy them that much. But I thought your reasoning to me that you were a paysite in order to block kids seemed...well, a crock, to be perfectly honest. But then, I'm such a free-sims-for-all kind of gal, what do you expect?  :D

So...one more thing. Yeah, we poke fun. Mercilessly. It's not meant (most of the time) as a personal thing, but rather poking at the persona you've created as a paysite owner. I giggled at your email addy, as I spent too many years in North Carolina and have met my share of rednecks. So....well...there it is.

We DO have ideas. We are not without the ability and drive to help sites who want to go free. While it SEEMS we're full of hot air, we need that air to fill our sails to get to our destination....free sims for all.

Hope this clarifies.

[/quote]

No we love that. Just be funnier doing it. :D  And to clarify I am ambivalent about Larry Flynt, just as I am ambivalent about you. For now...[/quote]

Deal.  I'll be funnier, if you try to at least approach funny...Work for you?

Thank you Hec!  Though, I keep trying to stay on topic and so far, I am failing.

*pours rum over self and lights match*

EDIT:  Breaks over

Well Armywife if all the "funners" will just cut it out for a minute and go be "funny" at some other thread it will work. Guys really, we are actually trying to get something done so just cut it out for a minute unless you have REAL questions or something intelligent to say because all the funning is fucking with poor Mikey's ability to pay attention(and mine too. Oh the lfuns). I don't so I'll stop talking now.

Gambit or racket?[/quote]


Forget it.  I see some of you are willing to talk.  And some aren't. And then you have Wee Willy who tries to converse, but keeps tossing in pot shots.  And if I fire back, then I'm a "troll", or full of shit.  There are 2 sides to every story, folks.  Doesn't mean necessarily that one is 100% right either.  I never claimed to be perfect, or an angel either.  <edit> And no one here is going to listen to me with one of theirs being a jackass.

But here you all stand fighting a fight, that doesn't exist, for EA (who seemingly could care less.)  There wallets get fatter and fatter every day. You talk about rights and morality, but as a whole you don't practice them. At least not fully.  It's a twisted, re-interpreted standpoint some of you are reaching from.  And I came here to try to talk.  If you want to talk, then email me so I can at least block or filter out the folks that just want to fight.

And don't get me wrong, if someone wants to hash it out, I'm ready, willing, and able to mette it out.  But I honestly didn't come here for that, and don't think it'll do any good.  Besides, there seem to be a couple of level-headed folk here who honestly think they have helpful answers...Those ones can email me.

But I promise, if anyone tries to start something via email, I'll being it right back to this forum for all their 'friends' to see.  That being said, if everyone here can prove they know how to be civil, I might be apt to come back and talk with everyone at once.

MIKEY!!!

Well, Red, I can't say I didn't try.  Thanks.  I am just not sure what category I fall in?  Am I a jackass or level-headed?  

*drinking Corona and pondering*

It's not you or RedLove.  Trust me, the jack-asses know who they are...LOL...

Talk at ya later, one way or another...

MIKEY!!!

AW I believe you are the level-headed one. Hecubus I'll leave the emailing to you because I'll just start rambling and I have horrible grammar. :wink:

Forget it.  I see some of you are willing to talk.  And some aren't. And then you have Wee Willy who tries to converse, but keeps tossing in pot shots.  And if I fire back, then I'm a "troll", or full of shit.  There are 2 sides to every story, folks.  Doesn't mean necessarily that one is 100% right either.  I never claimed to be perfect, or an angel either.  <edit> And no one here is going to listen to me with one of theirs being a jackass.

But here you all stand fighting a fight, that doesn't exist, for EA (who seemingly could care less.)  There wallets get fatter and fatter every day. You talk about rights and morality, but as a whole you don't practice them. At least not fully.  It's a twisted, re-interpreted standpoint some of you are reaching from.  And I came here to try to talk.  If you want to talk, then email me so I can at least block or filter out the folks that just want to fight.

And don't get me wrong, if someone wants to hash it out, I'm ready, willing, and able to mette it out.  But I honestly didn't come here for that, and don't think it'll do any good.  Besides, there seem to be a couple of level-headed folk here who honestly think they have helpful answers...Those ones can email me.

But I promise, if anyone tries to start something via email, I'll being it right back to this forum for all their 'friends' to see.  That being said, if everyone here can prove they know how to be civil, I might be apt to come back and talk with everyone at once.

MIKEY!!![/quote]

You don't want to seem to really debate this.  Pot shots?  Eunich and 'Wee Willy' are not 'pot shots'?  Gambit/Racket was a VALID opinion of your site.  Then you make outrageous claims, meant to silence others on the grounds "I've been here longer, I know better then you".  But that did play out as you planned, did it?  You simply make your 'pot shots' because  you are trying to deflect from the fact that you don't have valid responces for direct questions.

You dodge DIRECT questions - because you know your 'reasons' are spurious cover for simply wanting to make money were money should NOT be made.

I exposed you main argument as flawed, you ignored it, dodged it, and danced around it.  Now you're pulling the old "I'm taking my ball and going home", simply because you don't have a valid answer.

Eunuch and Wee Willy were retaliatory to your prior comments.  Seems they have hurt your feelings too.

As for answers, I have already supplied my answers in my original reply to the email that was sent us.  As well as in my posts here today.  It is you who dance around and avoid.  And so what If I want to take my ball home and play with whom I choose.  It's my F'ing ball.  LOL.

So, goodbye.  I'll talk to either Hecubus, RedLove, or armywife...via email.

Ciao,
MIKEY!!!

That would be Hecubus or AW that you would want to talk to. There are many other pirates here that know how to have an informative and intelligent conversation.

And advice for the future: If you go up to someone and ask them if they want to play with your ball expect to get slapped and/or beat up. >.>!

You know I've seen this said many times here or the statement; EA is turning their heads.  Just because EA didn't sue anyone yesterday or probably won't sue anyone tomorrow doesn't mean they don't care or they've turned their heads.  Rome wasn't built in a day and neither were lawsuits.

And what are you going to do when EA does decided to go after paysites?  Hope they don't see you.  Change your ways and go free.   Have you even considered at this point what it may cost you if EA did go after you?  It would be a hell of a lot more than the few dollars you're making off your site.  Why not beat them to the punch rather than put yourself in that kind of hurt?

Retalitory to what comments?  Using the word 'horse shit'?  Sorry to offend you.
Show me one instance of my 'dancing and avoidance'.

Your tactic of 'turning it back' upon me is also a classic example of avoidance.
I have only asked  ONE question, yet you have not addressed it, simply because it shows your lying.  OR are you not?  Prove me wrong, I 'double dog dare' you.
Why do you claim you are a pay site to restrict access to adult material when not all of your pay stuff is adult?  You can't/won't  answer this, which PROVES you are a coward hiding behind a smoke screen.  You do not have a valid reason, you are simply doing out of GREED.

So you didn't have any idea or concern as to who was downloading it back then - but now it's high priority. Huh.



I downloaded from your site - not your yahoo group - and there was no requirement for proving my age, just my ability to click on the download button.  There was other paid content at your site, but I remember the animations themselves are free.  They must have been - as I have never had a credit card - and I got them.

Wisconsin is a weird place anyway. Despite hosting and fostering two of the most famous psychokillers of this century (or the last), Jeffrey Dahmer and Eddie Gein, both who liked to eat people and diddle corpses, it is still legal to diddle corpses in Wisconsin. IIRC, two goth twins and an accomplice just got off scot free trying to dig up a recently deceased woman to have relations with her corpse and were not charged with it, because there was no law against it.

I wouldn't expect Wisconsin to be more enlightened about pr0n than they are about a major warning sign that someone is seriously fucked up and sociopathic.

(The greatly simplified list:
1. You pee your bed past toilet training age
2. You torture animals and/or smaller/weaker children
3. You are unable to accept blame for your mistakes
4. Abusive family / missing or uninvolved parent dynamic
5. Lack of empathy for others
6. Feeling persecuted in general
7. Obsession with "dark"/taboo subject matter to the exclusion of all else)

I mean, if you're already porking bodies and playing with body parts, I can't see your behavior getting more socially acceptable later on. Especially if you don't go to jail or get therapy.

 :shock:   that sounds like the majority of the sheep at the BBS   :shock:

Err...what's your point exactly? You seem to be mad at something...can't see at what though. Must be someting you ate.  8)

If paysite owners want to take their toys and go home, that's just fine. There are many good, free creators. There are also creators who have gone free, that can't get their earlier files off of paysites despite their wishes.

You are not any more representative of "the Sims community" than I am. I think it's fair to say that there's a lot of people in the Sims community that are sick of the dishonest business of Sims paysites.

Yes, EA fails at community management. That's why some players have taken matters into their own hands. And since EA is trying to keep both paysites and pirates, it's very unlikely that they're going to attempt to make PMBD go away either.

None of those files were stolen. They were paid for. They are clearly marked by creator and site. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Paysites are what are hurting the community, not filesharers.

I kept this simple in order to not get into long angry rants.  :wink:

So according to you Malaysia is a "haven for terrorists"?  And since JM has his server based in Malaysia, he is supporting terrorism??

Holy crap, you paysite lovers really sink to the bottom.  

So according to you, JM is a terrorist thief with a monumental ego....because he doesnt agree with you.  Unbelievable.

Let me start off by saying, go back to motorcity. If you'd taken the time to lurk and read threads, you would know that this has been discussed endlessly here. The files were paid for. Duh. We got sick of people violating a contract that they made with EA when they installed the damn game. Have you read it? I suggest you do so. We don't like people with the "we are the elilte" bullshite attitude. The EULA plainly states that you may not have a site for profit. Where is your outrage that they are taking money that they are not entitled to? Helping with bandwidth is allowed. Making a profit is not. When you estimate how many subscribers there are on one given site, and then total that up with how much a subscription is, don't you think that's quite a bit towards bandwidth? You know damn well they're not using all of that to cover their costs, they're paying people to work for them to make more money. Unless you work for the company that produces the product, you really don't have a right to make any money for it. Urf. Before I tell you to blow yourself to oblivion with your self-righteous hydrogen, I do urge you to lurk, read, and educate yourself as to what motives we may have. Other gaming communities do not charge for game mods. Why should this one be any different? Yes, there are talented people out there who make things for the game. Yes, they are appreciated for what they do. But, I am good friends with one of them and you know what? He doesn't want a damn DIME for the mods he has made. He had fun making them. That's why he did it, for the fun. You can still get his stuff over at InSim even though real life caused him to leave the community. His name? Squinge. Great guy, very talented. But he never wanted a damn thing to do with money because for him it was fun. It's a mother fucking game. If you or they want to make money off of a game, invent one that is all your own. Then you can take the profit and pay the taxes and all of the hassles. Another thing. Do they pay a cent in taxes from all of the cash they've raked in? Nope. If you want to run game content like a business, better go whole hog and treat it like one. Pay taxes. Pay the deductables for health care. Pay for whatever uniforms your little garden gnomes wear while pumping out the pixels for your site to pimp. But don't do it where you do not have a clear-cut contract from the company that supplies the game. Simple enough? And yeah, I am so PMS right now, it's not even funny. But, MY brain still works. We made ourselves guard dogs because people getting ripped off isn't funny. That is what community does, looks out for each other. If I saw some little old lady about to pay too damn much for something that ought to be free, say, a drink of water at a fountain, you can bet your ass that I would stop her and help her the few steps to the free one. Some of us have altruism and idealism. Some of us do it because we've been fucked over by the paysites. Some of us do it because we don't like people pretending to be what they aren't and pushing shit on innocents foolish enough to pay for it. I'm going to hush for now. But remember, you rip on me, I rip back. I ain't no sheep.

Brought to you from the Save the Bitchy Pirate Foundation.

Ah, Paden, hearty, have some rum 'cause you just made my day (well technically night, since it's late where I am). You're so...poetic *sniffle* ...*passes rum*  8)

I've heard the "you're hurting paysite owners by giving away free stuff" argument many times but I've never heard the "you're hurting players by giving away free stuff" one.
Interesting point, right there. :roll: Who would have thought that "nullifying their subscriptions" would be worse than suckering them out of their money in the first place.

I was going to respond to motorcitywhatshisface, but Paden said it way better than I ever could.  *Applauds*

*Wants to sign up for Paden's fan club.* :)

*chuckle* That statement is funny on so many levels, you'd need to split it in a nuke-lab to get every nuance of it.  :lol:

I love my daily dose of Paden. :P

Motercitything, piss off. You can go to sleep tonight pretending that you've told us off. Then in the morning you can head on over to TSR and pretend that you're something other than a credit card number to them. See everybody's happy! BYEEEE.

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Shit, I just pissed my pants laughing again.  I'm going to need new panties!

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HideTheRum, I'm going to kidnap you and lock you in my basement. (http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x136/Kfifev/heart.gif)

Ha! I was right! Gnomes do speak.

Paden, your words fail my own.

lurks around for Paden cult

Wow. Like hockey players, I've never seen black gnomes before. Cool.

Heh, it's obvious that I used Paint and we all know it sucks, but my monumental ego wouldn't allow me further efforts to put into image motorwhatevah's fears :mrgreen: BTW, not sure I've credited her enough:  

 :roll:

*paces silvecoin's basement wondering if it's a boat house*

Hey now...before condemning MSPaint, look at this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uk2sPl_Z7ZU

Gave me a whole new appreciation for the program.








Still not gonna use it, tho'.

Really?  There was one that played on the Sabres a couple of years ago, Grier  I think. I don't even watch Hockey and I notice a bit a diversity there.

I'm not easily impressed*, but... WOW!

*OK, I am, but it was truly amazing nevertheless.

If that wasn't hysterical enough, that illustrating pic surely was.  I love the pic, it's awesomely funny.  I've never seen black gnomes before, either.  Think I'm going to have to find me some.  Send them all out on a mission of deletion.  To arms!

Emphasis is my own.

SRSLY? Safe haven? Are you saying my government is implicitly supporting terrorism and isn't doing anything to stop it from gaining a foothold in South East Asia?

I guess I must've been sleeping through the rights violation protests that took place when our government arrested people suspected of terrorist activities under the Internal Security Act, which is something like the American Patriot Act, just an FYI.

I'm not going into the legality of this, but we started arresting people in August of 2001, way before September 11.

http://www.time.com/time/asia/features/malay_terror/cover2.html
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4158/is_20020105/ai_n9670582
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/2284645.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/1937478.stm

I'll admit we don't give a flying rat's ass about copyright laws, but please, the next time you wanna appear to be using rational arguments to back up your ridiculous paysites-rock claims, check your facts. Google is very easy to use.

Hi there across the water  :D I'm in Australia *waves*

I just wanted to quickly post and say that Saffron here is right - Malaysia does everything capable to stop terrorism.  One of my colleagues liaises with Asian police, including Hong Kong police to stamp out terrorism, and my boss' boss works closely with Asian police - including working on forming a better police system in various Asian countries.

Hello there. :)

It's nice to know our efforts are being appreciated. I'd also like to state for the record that I greatly admire the way you argue your point, in this forum and also in S2C.


My guess is he/she was going for the whole emotional appeal and guilty by association method of argument.

Terrorism is bad, and all who support terrorism are bad. Malaysia supports terrorism, and Pescado chose, of all places, to host the booty in Malaysia OMG that must mean Pescado and his merry band of pirates are evil!

This would've worked better if he/she actually removed his/her head from his/her sphincter before opening his/her mouth.

For the record we DO have a horrendous record of copyright infringement. The government's not really thumbing their asses, but it's hard to root out something that's a way of life here.

*Blushes* Nice to know I'm not posting into the ether to be ignored forever more.

Most Australians appreciate the work done on terrorism - I think the only friction caused was due to the Inquisitorial system being used at terrorist trials - rather than our Adversarial system.  But that's just how it goes :D I think they've done a great job with the resources available - and if we don't like it, it's our job to help. :D

Calalily and Nouk are two of the best debaters on this subject (the rest of you do a great job, too).  I suck at debating.  I sit behind my comp and nod allot, cheering them on.  Sometimes, I wonder how the two of them can keep their composure.  I would love to give Inge and Cocobra (or however that is spelled) a good shaking sometimes.  :lol:

are you saying they are.......master debaters?     :P  

if you suck at it and just "nod alot" I am sure someone can help solve that

 :lol:

:lol:  I choked on my iced coffee!   :lol:

NO COOKIE FOR YOU. Bad. BAD! :lol:

I'm happy to be known as a master debater.  :D I find it easy though - cause I'm an ethics tutor - so if my students say something I don't agree with I can't flame them or I lose my job  :lol: I also have to debate all those future lawyers and police - so gotta be tricky.

I stalk both you and Nouk over at SC2 (I mostly read the Paysite Debate stuff).  Actually, I stalk you both here, too.  :shock:  Please take it as a compliment and not scary-like.  :lol:

You can't possibly be as scary as the guy who stalked me a few years ago - had a cockroach tattooed on his hand.  :!: Stalk away.  :D

I am definitely a better stalker than he was.  I do have a tattoo, though.  It's above my ankle, and it's Garfield. Yah, I'm super-scary!  :lol:

So long as you don't follow me home and to school, and don't question my husband - you're one up on that guy.

I also has tattooes.  Two snakes on my arm and a pentacle on my back.

I seriously read that as Masterbaters... (I know bad spelling) read the rest of it and had to come back to that phrase to read it correctly.   :oops:

I'll echo what Paden and the rest are saying, unless you have a valid argument that will stand up for more then 1 post STFU.

That :shock: smiley just made it a bit more creepy :lol:

When I was in college, a friend of mine - Kevin Bater - was in charge of a pledge class for his fraternity. As was the habit at the time, pledge class leaders were called "Master"....and one of the things the pledges would have to do is paint an homage to their master in one particular tunnel.

Pledges went through three versions before administration let them keep it.

(I don't have to spell it out for you, do I?)

Hecubus, that's hilariously sad.
That poor guy...lol. :lol:

 IMHO, EA weakens its copyright infringement case though when they post a news article, telling us that they consider TSR their top fansite. Also, inviting TSR and several small pay sites to their Bonvoyage Preview. In addition they also snubbed MTS2 the biggest free site, and one taking the lead against Pay sites. SO right now  me thinks Im not taking EA seriously, and will not upgrade to Sims 3 no matter how great it is. If they were to take TSR to court, how would that look to a judge?

:shock: Soupie's back!!! *has a small heart attack*

Oh greetings, Soup - that avatar of yours really scares me. Eeeek! *hides behind RedLove*

Looks like your the Pope, Asshat!!!

Listen. Here is a prime example of what happens when you 'assume'

I can tell you that Motorcitymaven is indeed a casual simmer and not a mod or owner of one of your proclaimed 'pay sites'.  You automatically assume she is because why would a mere player argue against what you do.  That argument I am not getting into right now.  The fact of the matter is, you sit back and call everyone that believes differently from you, "liars", and then wonder why they get frustrated enough to start fighting back.  Even when you don't purposely goad them into being combative.

Exactly like you folks did with me.  But unlike the rest of you, I don't get mad.  I start to have fun.  You don't understand that, and it makes you feel better to tell yourselves, "Oh yeah, we sure pissed that guy off..."

MIKEY!!!

P.S.  Really, it's okay. You can make fun of my screen-name if it makes you feel like a big person...LMFAO

Pfft.
I was just over at S2C reading all your drivel, Mikey.
Poor me, you abused me, la de fucking da.
Every post you made, from the first! was snide, sarcastic, rude and insulting. And yet you cry for 10 pages over how abused you were and how awful everyone was treating you...turning it all around into insults at EVEN the people who trying to speak to you civilly.
And then I come here to see what's going on and Lo and be fucking hold, here you are holding a match beneath the pot and grabbing up a spoon again.
Good lord, you should put some of that stirring energy into culinary art.
How can a newbie wonder why people consider paysite owners to be rude and obnoxious, when YOU are the example they are given?
Good lord, you shold have read the FAQS, there's something in there to suit you...something about being 12...
 :roll:

Post 'em if you got 'em....it's kittie litter

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heeeeeeeeere's.......MIKEY!!!

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your favorite pain in the ass troll

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DO NOT FEED THE...ANIMALS

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Awwwww...did you have to get help to type all that out?  LOL

Actually, I just thought since you had your own people in our forum, it would be only fair that I come over here and be an annoyance.

As for us being rude and obnoxious...Care to take a guess at who started the whole "I SHOULD HAVE EVERYTHING FOR 100% FREE" whiney-assed drivel?

The FAQs? C'mon, that shit was written by the very folks that believe the drivel you believe is right and should be.

Life ain' Burger King, folks.  You can't always have it your way.

If I give you $10 bucks will you go get your dick sucked and chill the fuck out for once.  Damn.

Lay off of Ry, she made an observation here, not anywhere else. She didn't go to your site to do it, so what's the problem?  Noone can say anything about your behavior?  Are you just trying to see how many people you can piss off at one time?  Funny, we're not pissed - we're laughing too.  

EDIT:  Paden will be here tomorrow night, you'll definitely want to make sure that you don't miss conversing with her.

I'm not entitled to my opinions and observations?  Better yet.  Hang on to your $10 bucks and find yourself a good BOB.  You sound like you could use it...

I look forward to Paden...

Well, sheesh, I was even going to let you keep the change.

LOL.  I really like your sense of humor, armywife.  I think I was right initially when I first came here.  You really are good people...well except for the "I must die" thing.  But I guess no one is perfect!

OK, MIKEY - you're scaring me....no Kumbaya or marshmallows by the fire - K?

When did I ever say I wanted you to die?  I never said anything like that, to the best of my memory.

My apologies.  "Me" as in the 'Paysite' me.  Thinking too literally.  LOL.


Kumbaya?  Nah, but I have been known to share an Irish Coffee by a fire with the 'enemy' before...Sort of a getting to know you prior to the battle to the death ritual...LOL

Okay.  In danger of ruining the kinda-sorta-might-possibly-be getting along thing...I need to ask one question;

Why, if Delphy told me and the others that he has nothing to do with PMBD and is in no way associated with it, do I see him here posting 47 times or more, and being on here this afternoon?

Just curious.  And your answer will probably result in another question...LOL

MIKEY!!!

Mikey, you remind me of a screaming 6-year-old. Remember that Pull-Ups slogan, "I'm a big kid now?" Well, pull them on up and by golly, you CAN be a big kid! You only need to believe.

Seriously, I'm only trying to relate to a bunch of kids playing 'pirate'.  You can't expect me to believe adults are playing pretend do you?

Delphy has posted here, because simply put, he can.  If you only knew some of the people who post here, you'd actually be shocked.  Knowing some that I know who don't use their "community" names from well-known sites, you would be stunned typeless.

Damn double post.  Blonde moment alert!

PS- I am not "playing pirate"  - I've got a patch and everything.

Well Mikey, it's harder to believe you're an adult when you spell your name in all capitals with three exclamation marks at the end, and send out legal threats to people who really couldn't care less.

Please get off the Internet. It's clearly rotting your mind. Also remember to eat your vegetables.

*Pulls up "big Kids" pull up*

Seriously, folks.  I came here initially intending to talk and get your reasoning and ideas about your beliefs.  However, when I got to this site and saw a bunch of folks playing at a game of 'pirate', I sincerely believed this had to be a group controlled by a bunch of pre-adolescents.  LOL.  What would you think?  Oh, wait!  Y'all made the same assumption about my screen name!  So, there-in lies the rub, folks.  Totally wrong foot.

So, I come here today to have some fun and play around.  What do I see?  I see a bunch of folks who truly believe what they are saying they think is right, and making the same assumptions I am.  Opposition means 'bad'.  Not so.  Whilst sparring with you all tonight, I see that we do have things in common.  We like a good argument.  We like to goof around. And we are all stubborn.

Basically, in a nut shell, the only thing we don't have in common is that you folks want to 'destroy' my site.  IN a way. I can respect that.  Even though I won't let it happen by your methodology and ideals.  Because, although I can respect your beliefs, I still do not agree with them.

Which brings us to, I guess, one other difference.  I still believe free and pay can co-exist and still work together in the community.  And you don't.

Just as an FYI, so you can kinda know me a bit more...I am in my 30's. Have a family, and am a Manager in a large Int'l Transportation Company.  So I am neither a child, nor am I stoopid.  I work in a high stress industry, and this is my outlet.  I goof off when off-duty.

See.  Going with the screen name again.  And you with the seemingly superhero name?  That screams 'adult' does it.  LOL.

And honestly, it is not a legal threat.  I have spoken to my countries federal authorities, as well as emailed IC3 (FBI internet crime division) and they did give me very clear critieria for which they may pursue intellectual property theft.  Whether I go through with it or not is of no concern, as if I do not, others will.


And armywife, it may surprise you to know that it would not surprise me in the least to find out some of the 'lurkers' on here are prominent in the Community.  Actually, I quite expected it.  I know enough to know that there are double standards and hypocrites on both sides of the fence.

Mikey, just as you say you blow off steam/goof off.......this is what we do.......I'm 34, married, own a pc repair biz,ok?

Like Christopher Titus said in his last special

You better lighten the fuck up cause we're going alot further than that......

We joke, we horseass around.......does this mean we're kids? My 61 year old dad still acts goofy sometimes.......lighten things up, his nature......

We can take it Mikey, we like having a good time too.  The main issue I have with you at all is your bead on Delphy.  MTS2 as a site made the decisions that they did, not just Delphy.  You will find that not just here, but in the community there are many who are tired of the "let's bash Delphy" stuff.  So, I am usually a smart ass and can spar and most of the time I am nice.  This is the only warning I will give you, ok, we won't tolerate free site bashing here.  Period.  Some have tried, but then it gets really ugly.  I personally will not tolerate Delphy, HP or MTS2, not out of any allegiance to anyone, but out of respect for what they have contributed to the community since the Sims 1.  There is more information and more tools available there than any other site on the net.  So, that is my line, ok?  Not being rude, just letting you know that I won't sit back for a smearfest.

However, you are fair game....WAHAHAHAHA! (That's my evil laugh)



BTW- He took off the !!! - thanks for that

While I can respect that, the simple fact that this is a conflict, requires that I be allowed to voice my opinion as I see it in my mind.  If you look at my posts unbiased(which may or may not be possible, I dunno), I am positive you will see that I only got personal when I felt the attack on me was personal.  Now, I can see how it might not be apparent to you, as it would not be apparent to me if the role was reversed.  After all, both 'sides' (I hate that term) are enraptured in their own bias on the issue.  And unfortunately, when passions flame, no one wants to even see it from the other side, right.

In regards to personal, and I'm not complaining as it does make me laugh...You can see here that I am being serious, yet there are a few that are making attempts at personal affront to me...LOL

It always makes me laugh when the person telling me to "grow up" is calling me a 'doody head'...LOL...Pot, Kettle.  Kettle, Pot!

Where's Hecubus and her axe when you need them?  :cry:

What superhero name? My username is from a line in a book.

I hear what you are saying.  I actually can be very objective.  You can voice your opinion, no problem.  But, this isn't Delphy's site, it's Pes'.  Bash at Pescado.  He loves it.  

I have joked back with you and haven't taken anything to "heart".  I'm grown, no worries.  When you piss me off, there will be no doubt.  As it stands, I think you're stalking me.... :lol:

Might be that I would if my wife wouldn't kill me, armywife.  LOL.


ES, apparently I haven't read your book, bcuz first impression of your name brings to mind comic book superheroes from my childhood...LOL

See how impressions can be wrong?

Finally, someone who understands where I come from and gets my 'points'.  Thank you, kind sir.  Fortuitous that a kindred soul walks the other side, it is.  It belies that their may still be hope yet, and shows that although fighting for the opposing ideals, we are still alike you and I!

You tease....

EDIT:  She'd have to get behind my husband  :lol:

Nae, lassy!  I am a flirt and a scoundrel, nae a tease!  LOL

Well, hey, I like superheroes. But personally I prefer comics like Neil Gaiman's Sandman series. I recommend them highly.

Not sure of your age, but the good ones back in my day were Flaming Carrot Comics, The Tick, the 'GOOD' TMNT, The Dark Knight Series, Jonah Hex, et al.

OMG!!!  Are we having a conversation?

NO GROUP HUGS

Oh, most definitely not.  I assure you.  Besides, it would mess with my standing as a Redneck and former OTR driver...

Ok, Mikey.  Wouldn't want to impune your reputation.   And you are scaring me - you're being, dare I say, nice.  You might end up liking us yet.  You never know.

Just so there are no false thoughts out there.  I like you as people just fine.  I can get along with anybody if I choose too.  I do however, disagree with some of your beliefs and methods, yet I can still respect 'why' you do it, even if I am in disagreement.  Hope this makes sense?

I can agree to disagree as long as we both agree -  I'm right  :lol:

 :shock:
My goodness!
You make sense, indeed. I am actually quite surprised. I believe you might actually be the first paysite ower that has said something to that effect.

Now, just for the record, "paysites must be destroyed" is not a personal attack against anyone, not you, not peggy, thomass or anyone else. It is a mission statement. So, as long as you refrain from personal attacks, people here will not attack you. What they will do instead is debate with you.

So, if you are here to debate, state your opinions, debate and refrain from personal attacks. Now, if you want to flame us, go ahead. But don't try to do both, as it will undermine your credibility.

If you are indeed here to debate, welcome. We might not agree with you, but we respect your opinions as long as you respect ours. :)

Now, if you are here to flame us and to get flamed, well, we haven't had a decent troll in ages. :D

Mikey,
If you really wanted to get your point across, and honestly have a civilised conversation, then why did every one of your posts have such sarcasm and rancor?
I did not have 'help' typing anything out. And I'm only 28, not even your age yet! OMG. And yet *I* can state my feelings and opinions without making everyone reading it feeling as if they are on the defense.
Everytime you posted over there you were rude. Period. And it was way before anyone got rude with you.
I don't give a shit what you think about me. I couldn't care less.
But if you want to really get into a conversation about important issues you need to do it without your bad additude hiding behind your finger tips.
Don't always assume that no one will listen to what you have to say if you actually put it out there a reason to listen. Being a constant smart-ass anddickhead won't get you anywhere.
Of course, maybe you really don't give a shit and are simply here to troll and be a pain. That's up to you.
But there were several people upset about you not being able to state your views like an adult, because they missed the chance to really see what you had to say.
The internet is a place to play, yes...but when you come and play in serious threads you cannot expect anyone to ever take you seriously.
I'm not trying to be a bitch. Although if you feel the need to insult my intelligence again I could turn into the biggest cunt you'll ever see. My posts aren't full insults and fuck-offs. I'm really trying to understand things and get my own point across and it pisses me off when someone like you comes in trying to stir the crap and make it impossible for anyone who really cares to have a decent convo because you've spammed the board with childish chatter.

Mikey, I don't think our FAQ was up last time you were here...I'd point you to this section that better clarifies our position:

http://phorum.mustnotbenamed.com/viewtopic.php?p=44636#44636

Remember, slogans and 'bumper stickers' are the attention getters, but don't always tell the whole story. To us, destruction is about the "pay" part of paysites (although to be honest, if TSR died in a big firey ball visible from space, I don't think I'd cry), not the sites themselves.

I would be interested in your perspective on the "other" reasons we list in this FAQ, putting the EULA aside for the moment.

Yeah.  About that... :roll:

ry, regardless of what you all think, my first post was not "full of rancor or sarcasm"  It was merely stating my opinion and asking questions.  The next post aimed back at me was full of what you say mine was.  Besides the fact, that I was already 'discouraged' because the whole intent of that thread was to 'steal' information and supposed opinions from pay sites and post it there, to "better understand pay sites and their owners".  I am not some wildlife on Lorne Greenes Wild Kingdom.  And how is procuring "thoughts and opinions FROM paysites" in any way going to give you/them an accurate accounting for your/their consideration?

You tell me not to insult your intelligence or you threaten to turn into the biggest bitch I've ever seen.  Yet before I even posted on one of these forums, when I was seen as joined, folks were all, "Oh what is he doing here", and "He wouldn't dare", and "OMG".  So what would you expect me to expect from you folks initially?  And speaking of insulting intelligence, can you please remind me how my screen name determines my age as well as my intelligence quotient?  Rhetorical question, as I know the answer. it doesn't.  So if no one insults my intelligence, I promise not to do the same.  Sound fair?

First of all, I never said a word about your screen name, so don't use that as an excuse to insult me.
And I haven't been here as long as you...so you can't hold what happened then against me now.
Investigate before you accuse.

All I am trying to say is that if you really want your opinions and views heard, be the bigger person and post like the adult you are. You WERE rude your first post. We are just going to have to agree to disagree on that point, and that's fine.
But your subsequent posts, after you say that you were attacked...if you think so little of these people why lower yourself down to their level?
Can't you ignore the rude ones and focus on the people whoi are truly interested in what your saying?
Because there were people who were interested. You just skipped their posts to play with insults.
It just blows my mind to see someone complaining about treatment, while they are dolling out more than they are getting.

ETA: Okay, I have been here a few days longer, sorry, my bad.

It almost seems to me that you are looking for a fight, ry.  LOL

Have you not read any of my last dozen or so posts?

And I'm sorry, you wanted to be part of a group that is in conflict with another so I am sorry to say that at times you will be lumped together when passions flair.  You will need to recognize that that will happen, and not take generalizations so literally.  I was (and am) one person arguing against many, so pardon me if I can't remember who said what sometimes, okay.

As well, I did request that the ones I saw as reasonable contact me via email in order to continue the debate.  Trust me. I know my limits and if I feel I am under the gun or being attacked, make no mistakes, I will attack back.  I cave or bow to no one.  LOL.  Which is why I asked that the more levelheaded email me.

Question for you; Since we are not going to agree on who started what-not, can't you ignore the past rude ones now that I am not being as you said, "a dickhead"?  

I am trying to work with you folks here, so cut me a little slack and let's move forward instead of backwards.  What you are doing...well after the fact...can be considered to be on the offensive...and you wonder how I can feel attacked here?  LOL.  Please heal and move on...

Mikey, I'm going to have to go with Ry on this one.  When you came back this time, you pinged from thread to thread posting like a wild man.  It is not your perception, but the perception of the reader that counts - your is the intent.  And a lot of things were pretty inflammatory.  There are those who can shrug it off and not care, there are others that are going to respond in a like manner.  As you have the right to your opinion, others do to.  Instead of immediately going back at someone you think is being critical, take a moment and see if they have a point in what they are saying.  I think you tend to calm down the more you post.  Maybe should just open up a blank page and type for about 15 minutes for your benefit and then post.

Don't roll your eyes at me buddy!   :lol:

See. Rude.
No fights for me, I get enough of that in RL...I have a 9 year old and a 1 year old...and 28 year old boyfriend.
I just wanted to try to make you understand what everyone sees when you post. It's not just me, it's everyone! And if you can't even take the time to try to get I'm saying...pfft.

But whatever.

Fine then, let's move on shall we?

I ahve one simple question.
If you could find a fool-proof way of stopping minors from entering what you deem the inappropriate part of your site *i say that because there is adult stuff in the free access part as well* would you go free?


But I would like to point you to your own MIKEY thread because a lady in there wants some answers as well.
I really was not trying to fight. I just wish I could make everyone see through the eyes of others. That way they would know when they are making themselves look like an ass.

Yes, I did do that 'this' time.  I already acknowledged that.  LOL.  Due to the reception I got the first time and at S2C, as well as the emails I received since then.  When I came back this time I did go for broke.

But as I said, let's move on...

See?  I had no problem with anything you said prior to this last line from your post.  But even after you say "fine, let's move on", you felt it necessary to point out, yet again, that you feel I "look like an ass".  LOL.

So, please. Decide.  Stay tuned into the past or move on?

Note:  I too have kids. a 3 yr old and an 8 yr old. and a wife that acts like she's 19, so I win!!!


EDIT:  Oops!  Forgot to answer your question.  Might be that we would, but we would have to find a way to cover our costs as well...that doesn't include 'Fat, Bouncy, Busty Babes Wanna Be Spanked' ads all over our forum and site...

Mikey, could you please see my above post and answer the question?
If we are going to move on, then I'd like to hear your side of things.

I felt I had to give a second opinion in this because I was the stupid idiot up half the night responding to all the posts and am tired today.  Damn you Mikey!  

Pack the UHaul and head North, then.  Let's move on.

LMAO.  Ry, you are impatient...LOL.

Actually, I was editing my last post as I realized I had forgotten to answer your question...read back to my last post, please.

Armywife; I already live 'north'...waaaaaayyyyy north...LOL

And BTW...I think it is YOU who is starting to like me now...LMAO

Yeah well, you stalked me first.    :lol:

BTW - I like the new, funny, more reasonable you.   The asshole - him I don't like so much.

I don't 'like' being an asshole either, but I am pretty good at it when I feel it is needed.  Like my pappy used ta say, "If yer gonna do something, do it the best thsat ya can.  Now go git me my tabbaco, ya shit!"

I may be impatient, but you are insanely defensive...lol.

And okay, thanks for answering.
But in the other thread you said you're group was like family...why only 2 donations then?
And if they can afford to sub, why not just turn that into donations?
And you ARE a decent guy, I'm sure. Now that you are behaving...lol.

Sorry 'bout that.  :oops:
We'll just keep the convo about that stuff in the other thread...lol. I'm getting confused too...lol.

No problem.  Saaaaayyyy, yer kinda cute in that shade of red...LOL

Ha.
Sweet talking will get nowhere.
unless you keep doing it

 :shock:
 :P
 :lol:

Whooooa.  And even cuter when your eyes go all buggy like that...LOL