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1  The Pirate Ship / ARR! / Re: Ahoy! New guy, new idea. on: 2008 March 19, 02:19:51
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they acquired those rights legally by purchasing them.
All I have to say is I payed THEM for their product. I'll do whatever the hell I like with it. That disc is my property, and it always will be. They can suck a dick.
And I never received any payment to restrict my rights. So fuck them, they never asked me. Buying rights is the epitome of bureaucracy. My rights aren't for sale, and whoever is selling them doesn't have my permission.
2  The Pirate Ship / ARR! / Re: Ahoy! New guy, new idea. on: 2008 March 19, 01:57:24
ArmyWife, I knew the site until you said something about it. Tongue

Dasha, I agree with you on that. OverWatch do you understand what we are saying? EA should be the only one to collect. If people think they deserve money to create content and give it to others they are doing it for the wrong reason. I do stuff for the game for fun and wouldn't expect people to pay for it (like they would my crap sucks) because then it wouldn't be my hobby it would be my job.

Actually, EULA or not, it's none of EA's business considering they're not the ones creating the content, and it's not their software going into the game. At that point, they need to shut their traps; it's not their work, and I'm not listening. I've got a personal vendetta against them. They have no say in the matter, it's MAXIS and WILL WRIGHT that should have the say. But feh, life doesn't work that way. I install the product without agreeing to the EULA anway, in case the feds come knocking at my door anyway.

And honestly, I can't say enough, PAYSITES MUST BE DESTROYED!
But if they decide not to self destruct on order, they can at least think of more constructive and less restrictive ways to support their content.
3  The Pirate Ship / ARR! / Re: Ahoy! New guy, new idea. on: 2008 March 19, 01:32:26
Instead of receiving money from members for content, the could extract a monthly fee from the creators, and in exchange, they get a massive community and customer base in which they can set up shop.

Sorry, I don't see this as any kind of solution, unless you're trying to get people to stop creating. If the fees are paid by the creators, where's the incentive to create? I work to make a hair mesh, and then I have to pay Thomass to upload it? Nah, I'll pass.
Perhaps just a one-time fee?

Again, why would I pay him? I made the thing, I can sit here at my computer and bwahaha at everyone because they don't have it. And then put it on mediafire or something similar if people want it - absolutely free. A creator having to pay for the privilege of letting other people use their stuff? That's like me having to pay you to let me clean your house.

It's also a poor-content filtering system.
A) Paying the one time membership ensures at least a minor commitment from the creator, which means they're at least a little confident in their work.
B) The better work you do, the more commissions you get, and as a result, the subscription fee has paid for itself, and you begin gaining money. It's like they say, "You've got to spend money to make money."

I think he's trying to say this:
person requests creator to make something
creator creates it
person pays for the creation
person releases it for download for free for others to use

It's a point that's been argued before but I don't see it as a better alternative at all.  It still upholds the elitism people feel when they buy pay items.  They hold it over people's heads and make them feel bad for simply not having them.

Oh, and it's supposed to be a hobby  and money should never enter the question.  How does this community get away with all this pay crap when other gaming communities spend hundreds of hours on mods but don't even ask for a dime in hosting costs?

You are 100% correct. Money should never change hands. But this is by far not meant to govern everything regarding content. It's just a more community-friendly way to pacify the people that WON'T create WITHOUT money.
4  The Pirate Ship / ARR! / Re: Ahoy! New guy, new idea. on: 2008 March 19, 01:29:41
No, no, dasha. You don't pay Thomass to upload it you pay me to look at it and then I give it to Thomass and he pays me so he can share it in the community. Tongue
Ok, so let me get this straight. You want someone to pay someone else to work on making something that's not promised? o.o Man. Now I feel like I'm the one on drugs.
PAY UPON COMPLETION
Seriously, did you even read my post?


Yes I read it and you said:
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Nonono, you're not getting what I mean.
This isn't restricting access for content. There is no promise for content
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What you got?

Oh, I'm sorry. I meant the site itself isn't content hosting,and therefore not promising content. It's a collaboration place for creators/buyers to interact.
5  The Pirate Ship / ARR! / Re: Ahoy! New guy, new idea. on: 2008 March 19, 01:24:07
Ok, so let me get this straight. You want someone to pay someone else to work on making something that's not promised? o.o Man. Now I feel like I'm the one on drugs.
PAY UPON COMPLETION
Seriously, did you even read my post?
The content would be screenshotted etc. and sampled to the requesting user before payment is received, and the content is sent.

Instead of receiving money from members for content, the could extract a monthly fee from the creators, and in exchange, they get a massive community and customer base in which they can set up shop.

Sorry, I don't see this as any kind of solution, unless you're trying to get people to stop creating. If the fees are paid by the creators, where's the incentive to create? I work to make a hair mesh, and then I have to pay Thomass to upload it? Nah, I'll pass.
Perhaps just a one-time fee?
6  The Pirate Ship / ARR! / Re: Ahoy! New guy, new idea. on: 2008 March 19, 01:18:41
Nonono, you're not getting what I mean.
This isn't restricting access for content. There is no promise for content. Already, on multiple sites, there are request threads in which this commissions system is used, but without the money part. I'm only saying; rather than deny access to community content for money, why not pay the artists for their hard work? It's a tasty alternative to paysiting. The community gets the content, free, once the workmanship and time is paid for.

I'm all for the removal of paysites. They should die. I am in no way defending them. Never lump me in with them! D:
7  The Pirate Ship / ARR! / Ahoy! New guy, new idea. on: 2008 March 19, 01:11:27
Ahoy, PMBD. It's a red sky tonight, and we all know what that means.

It's about f**king time I found this site. I've been looking since the original Sims 2 was released. I'm safe to say I've helped myself to a fair amount of the booty, and I intend to plund-- er, contribute some when I have the money.

I completely agree with your cause. Making people pay for services that are required to be free by legal contract is, well, ILLEGAL.
More on legal ways to get money for content later.

I want TSR to be SHUT DOWN. 100%. They are ridiculous. I am close friends with another artist on TSR. He liked his items being free. Eventually, he became a featured artist, and as a result, all of his contributions became pay items. He then seceded from TSR. Asking for donations is one thing, requiring donations for mass downloads is another; but charging money for items the CREATOR designates as FREE is a VIOLATION of ethics, and occasionally law, when a Creative Commons license is used.
I know you guys can't do that, and I'm not asking you to. I'm just saying, they suck scurvy.
As for the artists residing at TSR; The good ones are already on free sites, the others I could care less about. It's a f**king game, not a swap meet.

Now, here's a groovy idea for fair pay for fair content: Comissions!
Now, suppose SimmerBuyer wants SimmerCreator to make something for him. SimmerCreator would then create a price for the creation of that content, and upon completion, SimmerBuyer pays for it. This is legal. He's not paying for the content, but the WORKMANSHIP that goes into the content. In turn, SimmerBuyer could then release the item into the community, for free of course, because the content is his; the creating process has already been paid for. Now, why didn't TSR think of that? Instead of receiving money from members for content, the could extract a monthly fee from the creators, and in exchange, they get a massive community and customer base in which they can set up shop. Content is exchanged freely. Everybody wins!

Common sense is something that's very rare nowadays, but I'll be damned if it deserts me.
Also, I hope this is the right place to post. I read the faq, and I'm sharing an idea, not a question. Seems all right to me.

Yours, Overwatch.
Arr.

You idjit. Paying for content at all is bad. o.o Before you post >.< Please, gah, know what we're about. Any type of paysites must be destroyed. Your idea makes no sense. Why wouldn't the creator just give the download for free in the first place? Wth?

ETA: FAQ=WIN.
Huge sigs (like Ash said) and instantly hitting the new thread button before reading around or reading the FAQ = Phail.



Not reading the post before replying=phail. I stated I read the faq at the very bottom.
And I'm now removing my sig, It looked smaller before I posted, thanks for telling me!
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