2 for u thieving off of Enayla

[MizzKitty]

Well... I never disputed that this was wrong.

I think I basically tried to say what calalily then said - they will look like the underdog etc.

Besides, I just never think flaming is pretty. Threads about suckage here on PMBD just amuse me, but all-out wars just give me a headache. I'm prone to headaches.

I can't wait to hear Chriko's excuse for hiring Andymy (I didn't know about his past either, by the way). I wonder if Andymy will get fired to cover Chriko's butt.

Can't promise I'll boycut their free stuff. I'm not a shoes person in RL, I have like 3 pairs or something, but... they make great shoes for my sims to wear (I mean in their outfits, of course)! I don't know, they just seem to have better mesh and texture than a lot of sim's shoes out there. Well, some of them. Those thigh-high boots should just be... not.

As for not donating... Well, I never did and sure ain't gonna start now.

Anyhoo, the plot thickens.

[Jojoba]

Andymy wasn't the one who posted Enayla's skins at Mod.

[MizzKitty]

I just caught up on the last 15 pages or so of the InSim thread... And THIS is definitely quote-worthy:

Remember we have reached a new age.
NOBODY is responsible for their own actions.
Remember that.
Holy shit! I killed somebody! Bob made me do it!
Bob: Joe made me do it!
Joe: I blame the media!
Media: Videogames.
Videogames: Personal responsibility?
Personal Responsibility: <AFK>

 :lol:

[Granuaile]

Well... I never disputed that this was wrong.

I think I basically tried to say what calalily then said - they will look like the underdog etc.

Besides, I just never think flaming is pretty. Threads about suckage here on PMBD just amuse me, but all-out wars just give me a headache.

As for not donating... Well, I never did and sure ain't gonna start now.

Anyhoo, the plot thickens.

I wasn't trying to attack you - I was just giving my reasons why Andymy doesn't deserve sympathy and was backing up DarkAngel's point.  At the same time, I agree with you and Calalily about letting things play out with 2-for-U without the flames in the guestbook because 2-for-U's reputation is already shot. :wink:  The last thing we want is Andymy being seen as some kind of underdog, even though he isn't one in my eyes.  

I don't like drama either, and I usually avoid it like the plague.  When I read about the whole HChangeri bit awhile back, I remember thinking "WTF is wrong with that woman?"  :shock:  

I never donated to the site either.  But, thanks to the booty, we'll never have to.  

[MizzKitty]

I wasn't trying to attack you - I was just giving my reasons why Andymy doesn't deserve sympathy and was backing up DarkAngel's point.

No worries I don't take this personally. We all have different points of view and I do understand some people's upset.

Mmmm booty...

[liegenschonheit]

I just got here, I've been sick and busy for the past week or so, so this is late but that's okay. Really, I'm posting to applaud Enayla for being such a class act about all of this. She is really a very thoughtful person, and she has handled this situation with grace. I really seriously doubt that she's ever directly lifted anything from another creator, though it is possible that people get inspired by other people's work or have similar ideas. As far as I remember, Ren is also a traditional artist that works from a tablet and hand draws all of her stuff, so maybe that's where the confusion comes from. I dunno. Anyway, not completely on topic, but recently Enayla contacted me to ask my permission to recolour lipsticks that had been made using her textures. Totally not necessary, as they are HER work in the first place, but that's the kind of person she is. Stealing, lifting and "borrowing" don't seem to be anywhere on her agenda.

I really do hope that Chriko had no idea about any of this and it's all a misunderstanding. 2 for U doesn't have the kind of track record that gets them automatic condemnation in my book, so I'm hoping all of this works out amicably.

[Granuaile]

I really hope so too, because I loved his site before all of this happened.  Btw, is Chriko a he or a she?

I agree - Enayla is handling this in a very classy way, which is more than what most creators would do.  She seems like a really sweet and generous person, and maybe that's why so many people are outraged about the whole Andymy/2-for-U debacle.

Thanks, MizzKitty, and I totally agree.    I mean...ARR!  Let's grab some rum and pillage some more!  

[MizzKitty]

I just got here, I've been sick and busy for the past week or so, so this is late but that's okay.

Welcome back and hope you feel better.

Oh and yea about everything I didn't quote - yea, I read the entire thread at insim earlier today and she is very nice and very calm about all this. It is very admirable. I'd probably be frothing at my mouth and throwing a hissyfit by now, knowing my own temper, so I find her restraint very inspiring.

[JMZ]

I have to say that many of the posts on the 2 for u message board have been reasonable. There hasn't too much flaming and name calling. (I don't see telling it as it is as flaming.)

Yeah - there have been one or two people frothing at the mouth, but it could have been a whole lot worse.

There isn't much to do now though than wait for Chriko to come back from vacation. What happens then will be telling.

[keirra]

Wish I could afford a 2+ week vacation.  :roll:  Guess I need to sell pixels for the sims.  :lol:

[Ensign EO]

Kathy quoted, verbatim, a Bash quote.  I recognised it immediately.

http://bash.org/?627522

I want a vacation.

[vanadium]

This is sort of off topic... but in the same 2-for-U october donation pack, I noticed a new mesh with an underwear texture.



(this one was made by chriko, not andymy.)

I thought it looked familiar and eventually I found the same texture made by distant eyes.



So... I assume this means that the underwear texture was stolen as well. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

(What I find the funniest is that both the models have the same hairstyle.)

[MizzKitty]

Yes, it does seem as if someone stole the other one's work. However, in this case the 2-f0r-u version is better.

You sure they are the thieves in this instant?

[Ensign EO]

Which was released first?

They could have used the same source picture.  Problem you face with photoskinning if you just grab the first nice picture from Google--someone else will use it after you, or already have used it before you, and before you know it, there's a huge stink about theft.

[MizzKitty]

I notice the panties are different. That's no evidence of anything, however, and it may be that they aren't really. I'm no expert on skinning.

I don't know. I have the 2-for-u version of that set from the booty and it looks really great in the game. The other one doesn't even look ok on the pic. It just seems sort of backwards if they can take that blurry, low-def skin and tweak it better - seems easier to take a nice skin and fug it up.

And yea, Ensign, that's a theory... But what about the hair? That's sort of a big coincidence. You think it resembles the hair of the model on the pic they could both supposedly have photoskinned?

ETA: The other top is also shorter and seems rather cut off in comparison.