I'm curious why creators need to have TOSs to begin with. The way I look at it is you like the game(you do remember it's just a game, right?), you think it would be cool to make x item and share it with everyone. As long as you get full credit for being the original creator of x item, I don't see what your gripe is. Liegen is even going beyond that and giving links back, I think that's more than fair.

Also, I wasn't being mean or disrespectful to anyone and if it came across that way, I do apologize. I have several things by both HP and Lethe in my game and their efforts are greatly appreciated (and I almost always hit the thanks button), just not their attitudes. While what you make is really nifty, I think perhaps you should stand back and look at the big picture. You're creating for a video game, supposedly because you enjoy doing it and like knowing that others use your things. I think the long TOSs are just plain silly and make you look pretentious.

(Note that I'm using "you" in a general sense.)

I used to download some of their free things before they wen to complete shit and even then I had to wade through a bunch before I found one or two I liked. I only like a couple of their meshes and that's all I have from them in my game. When the booty first came up, I downloaded all of SimChic's stuff but once I got it in game...oh my god. I remember I spent one entire weekend deleting that crap. Also, THANK YOU! for saying something about those heels. Those feet are way deformed and misshapen. It drives me crazy to finally see a dress I like but then I look down at the shoes and just...ugh.

Since Liegenschonheit is giving credits and links back, I don't see how she's violating anything or anyone.
    And if one more person says that the downlaoders are spoiled, I'll scream. The creators (not all by any means, but a good number of them) are the ones who are spoiled rotten in this community. Someone learns how to use Photoshop and Milkshape and suddenly that person is no longer a mere mortal, s/he becomes all-knowing and the masses flock to them. Those page-long TOSs and what have you are nothing but ego stroking and control issues. Supposedly, you put it out there for people to use, distribution is a part of that.
    Yes, the creators deserve our thanks and respect. Respect, however, is a two-way street. Unfortunately, long-winded sermons from on high and ridiculously restrictive policies are often what we get in return. I think what Liegen is doing is great and I hope it spreads to all sites.


(To those creators who make beautiful things for us and have short and fair TOSs, I really do thank you and you certainly not included in my rant above.)

Thanks muchly, anoramic  

But they did say that it was only for a two month trial period. I think it's completely awesome that they're going that route but I don't think it can count as a valid kill since they might put the "donation" section up again if no one donates.  


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Back before all of this started, I used to use quite a few of her sets in my game but ever since she showed us how batshit insane she is, I can't stand to have her crap in my game anymore. It just reminds me of her drama whoringand ruins my playtime. Just ugh.

Whoa, there was cake? Was there a memo?


I want cake.

I'll bet my weave on the vulture. She/he/it sounds feisty.


edit: Damn, I didn't see Blue's post before I posted. Does that mean I get to keep my weave?