Actually they have contributed to a good level on the wiki pages that toolmakers use for reference.  They have discovered and shared information that has considerably speeded up toolmaking by the rest of the community.  Peter has relied on information from Pommes on numerous occasions.  This goes multi ways, of course.

No, I will come to his defence here.  As I have explained before, we often find ouselves sitting in Delphy's chat room at the same time.  Johan expressed a view that some of the statements on this forum and MATY were unfair to TSR and I suggested he come to the forum and try to sort it out.  Simple as!  I don't think his appearance here has been masterminded by Thomas etc at all.  And I am not convinced the TSR owners agree totally on every decision.   Not that he's come straight out and said so, but I get that impression.

Johan, you have replied to my comments about divulging customers' personal data to your freelance artists/suppliers by asserting that you felt it was justified at the time.   Do you now accept, in hindsight, that this was an error of judgement, in the light of the fact that not all FAs and SAs have turned out to be of good character?   And do you think that in future this nature of data is better restricted to company owners and those staff you have on permanent contract as administrators with appropriate training in data protection?

Knowing what the fixer does (as obviously I was discussing the bluelotting at length with Delphy which is what led to the tool and the s3oc fix) there should not be a problem caused by players fixing their own packages provided they have some modicum of competence to follow instructions.  Delphy is concerned I think that people will start doing bizarre things and then expect him to help sort them out.

However it is absolutely correct to let all creators know about the fixer, and that they should redownload s3oc and s3pe if they use them.

The sharing of the data with FAs may well have had an emotional justification - I can quite understand the artists and your company feeling very wronged by people sharing the content in an unauthorised way.   I personally have never used anything from TSR I have not paid for, nor shared what I have paid for with anyone else, and I do not support the "pirate" activities of some of the other members of this site in any way.   However, when I give my credit card and personal details to a company, I do so in the expectation that they will have a code of conduct relating to how they handle this data.  In the UK, if you suspect a customer to be performing criminal activities such as software piracy, you give their details to the police, not to your suppliers (in this case freelance content creators).   What is the Swedish law on data protection?

I don't necessarily believe *personally* that this particular episode is triggered by another release of personal data by TSR.  But it's not surprising if people begin by pointing the finger at a person or company who has been guilty of it previously, especially when that person or company continues to consider it correct to have done so.

They may not be able to access the database themselves, but when Thomas decides to inform them of some of this information that's just as bad as if they did!

This is why TSR becomes suspected of releasing this type of information - it is because they have done it before, and still have not said they regret it or will not do it again.   Once sensitive information is released outside of the membership administrators, it is as good as published, as you cannot guess about the moral standards of your FAs and SAs.   You hire them as artists, not as trusted membership administrators.


And that finally illustrates what was wrong with giving them personal members' info.   Basically you don't know if they can be trusted with it.

Lol!  Ok

Try playing Sims?  It might cheer you up a bit.

Yes that's right WB.

Nono, go ahead.  I said I respect anyone who has views and is prepared to make a sacrifice for them.  It's just my own priority is helping myself and others to enjoy the game, rather than bothering about the policies of a company, that is in the grand scheme of things, rather insignificant.   I don't have the power to do anything about it anyway even if I wanted to.  And neither apparently does anyone else here, or they'd be gone by now.

I still don't see what that has got to do with ordinary sims content creators, who would prefer to use a friendly graphical interface to make stuff with.  You don't think by using Workshop it means those creators are in ur accounts delein ur stuffs by association?

s3pi is there for anyone to use - or you look at the source code as an example for your own original work.  There is nothing to stop someone setting up in competition with TSR to make a graphical creation tool that is friendly to use.  I don't think Peter is up for that intensity of programming, so he's not going to begrudge someone else taking it further.

If no user-friendly alternative to TSRWorkshop is created then I am going to go on giving nominal support (and some help with testing) to the one tool that is going to bring the most enjoyment to new object makers.

A clue to the basis of this recent rumour can be found here: http://forums.modthesims.info/showthread.php?p=2855976#post2855976
And as I understood it from my chats with someone, basically that is as far as it goes.   Wes has simply shifted his licences a small way in order to make life easier for the modding community.   I guess Thomas may have said something like "We have Wes on-board" and coconut's source failed to appreciate this was another one of Thomas's exaggerated over-grandiose statements that simply meant Wes and his plugins licence are "no longer an obstacle"


Nonono I'm not!   Delphy has a public chatroom for advanced modding.   I sit in that most of the day as does Johan from TSR.   There is a friendly, if quiet, atmosphere in the room, and we ask each other things and get information about "do you know that this hex digit or this flag does?" and so on.   This goes in multiple directions, including to and from Johan.   I also offered to help test Workshop.   I am testing that some days and Peter's tools on others.  That means I download it, try to use it, and tell Johan it's got bugs and I can't use it to make my window quite yet lol.  I think I am going to like using Workshop once it is finished, and I think most other creators are too.   I respect anyone who has a firm anti-TSR view and decides not to - it's your choice.

Edited to add:  There is now a news article about this at TSR:  http://www.thesimsresource.com/news/view-post/post/13489/TSR%20Workshop%20update

Good thing some of us don't care what some others count us as then.  You have to respect or like someone before you care what they think of you.  You were on my "meh" list some time ago.   

It's against the rules to post like that in the TSR news blogs, and anyone who has tried it gets their post deleted.  I've had posts deleted there too.   At least in chat he listened and responded.

It was publicly.  Anyone can come into that chat room if they want to.  There were a few people there.

Listen, I am playing Sims for my own pleasure.  I have spent a lot of money on it and I am entitled to play it and download as suits me best.  When and if an opportunity turns up for me to speak my mind and I can do it without any extra effort or expense on my part, then I do.  I am certainly not going to be told how and where I should speak to people in my own leisure time.