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The Pirate Ship / ARR! / Re: TSR: In Ur Accounts, Deletin Ur Stuffs!
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on: 2009 March 31, 22:39:58
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SO according to you, Delphy was not told by Steve that there was a vulnerability that was rectified 3 months ago that may have resulted in passwords being compromised?
I hope my posts are coming off in the tone I intend. I appreciate you staying long enough to answer a few questions and only intend, at this moment, to have a civil conversation with you to understand some of what is going on.
Edited for clarification.
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The Pirate Ship / ARR! / Re: TSR: In Ur Accounts, Deletin Ur Stuffs!
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on: 2009 March 31, 21:04:08
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That's what I have been trying to say. I have been told that she mentioned it in an artist forum at MTS2 (I am not an artist so I have no info about how many were there and knew) and that it had been reported to someone at TSR but very few people really knew anything. That's why there seems to be no way this could be random or coincidental and even if the moment just presented itself as a convenient opportunity then someone had to have this info for many months sitting around waiting for a chance to use it and if so then who else's info is still sitting there waiting for another opportunity.
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The Pirate Ship / ARR! / Re: TSR: In Ur Accounts, Deletin Ur Stuffs!
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on: 2009 March 31, 20:03:24
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TSR sniffles and says how sowwy they are that they got hacked and hope and pray that people will forgive them their transgression of not informing them of when they were hacked. Sympathy rolls in, sympathy and a hopeful jump in subscriptions and everything is just fine. Sure, TSR is still a paysite, but at least they aren't going around HACKING and STEALING things, no, they're cool, they're just off being TSR.
See, I don't see this happening. I think only the stupidest of the stupid continue giving personal information to a website that continuously puts that information in harms way. I think people get mad if someone hacks someone's site but people get scared if thier info is compromised. I think scared might elicit more of a reaction to make changes than angry. If I didn't know much about all of this but someone kept showing me proof (or at least planting the seed of doubt) that my information was not safe and then the site itself admits that it knew my information was compromised and didn't tell me so I could protect myself, I would certainly not give them more info or more money. (even if I believed them and felt sorry for them.)
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The Pirate Ship / ARR! / Re: TSR: In Ur Accounts, Deletin Ur Stuffs!
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on: 2009 March 31, 19:13:36
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Well, I never said anything about posting it over there because it wouldnt last for even a minute but all around the rest of the community and anywhere that the fence riders might accumulate plus anywhere that members of TSR or subscribers might read would be a good place apply this argument. Also secrets about this incident could present both of the arguments such as "TSR hacks peoples accounts to be vindictive" as well as "TSR cant keep anyone's info safe and they don't tell you when you are at risk. Going back a little, I can think of two reasons why a non-TSR hacker might pick Buggyboos stuff to hack. To "punish" Buggyboos for being "cruel" to Shakeshaft, or because their idea of fun is "Oh, look a hornet's nest! Let's throw a rock in it." In the latter case they're probably sittling at their computers howling with laughter and getting their tiny little rocks off.
But how would they even have known about it in time to make it happen. SO few people even knew about the Buggy-shakeshaft thing before the hack and they would have had to be in possession of the passwords and know in time. edited to respond to scurvy and not double post |
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The Pirate Ship / ARR! / Re: TSR: In Ur Accounts, Deletin Ur Stuffs!
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on: 2009 March 31, 18:57:59
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As TSR you will look a whole lot better as the victim that tried to hide their shame, than the agressor that hacked several sites. But that may be just me.  I'd rather be seen as an irrisponsible loserish fansite that can promise to do better in the future, than a hacker. Don't underestimate puppy dog eyes and pity  Except that as an irresponsible loser-ish fansite that allows personal information to be shared and then gets "hacked" and more personal information is acquired by someone with malicious intent they become someplace that even more people would need to protect themselves against. The idea that they may have hacked someones profile is despicable but may not cause a big hit to their pocketbooks but if they once again cant be trusted with personal information then maybe that would be the angle to exploit to get people either to not get subs or to try to cancel current ones. I mean people can be appalled about the behavior and not act on that but if your passwords and personal information are not safe then that seems like it might spur more action on the part of the "on the fencers" than something that only effects other people. I agree, but I don't know if the less computer savvy people - and that's a huge chunk of the populace - will be worried enough, especially if TSR apolagizes and promises to do better/ take care of it. They could feed them anything. But the ones who will believe them wont be swayed by the hacking argument either then. I think if people think they could somehow be effected or hurt by the occurrences (even if they believe that it isn't TSR's fault) they might be more apt to do something. If this was the first time that peoples info was shown not to be safe there then that would be one thing but how many times can TSR put people's info in jeopardy without beginning to feel it in the bottom line. |
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The Pirate Ship / ARR! / Re: TSR: In Ur Accounts, Deletin Ur Stuffs!
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on: 2009 March 31, 18:36:16
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As TSR you will look a whole lot better as the victim that tried to hide their shame, than the agressor that hacked several sites. But that may be just me. I'd rather be seen as an irrisponsible loserish fansite that can promise to do better in the future, than a hacker. Don't underestimate puppy dog eyes and pity Except that as an irresponsible loser-ish fansite that allows personal information to be shared and then gets "hacked" and more personal information is acquired by someone with malicious intent they become someplace that even more people would need to protect themselves against. The idea that they may have hacked someones profile is despicable but may not cause a big hit to their pocketbooks but if they once again cant be trusted with personal information then maybe that would be the angle to exploit to get people either to not get subs or to try to cancel current ones. I mean people can be appalled about the behavior and not act on that but if your passwords and personal information are not safe then that seems like it might spur more action on the part of the "on the fencers" than something that only effects other people. |
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The Pirate Ship / ARR! / Re: TSR: In Ur Accounts, Deletin Ur Stuffs!
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on: 2009 March 31, 17:28:11
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You will be supporting their lies, though.
Or exposing them. I would love to see a subscriber quoting the claim that "subscriber accounts" had been hacked months ago allowing for passwords to be gained and no one was told. THey would have to explain WTF or admit that it was a lie. Of course we all know that any thread started on their forum would just get moved to somewhere inaccessible to the general public or deleted. Edited cause I was ninja'd |
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The Pirate Ship / ARR! / Re: TSR: In Ur Accounts, Deletin Ur Stuffs!
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on: 2009 March 31, 16:21:27
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Yes, Delphy is simply asking questions to get details before reaching a solid conclusion
I agree. I would like him to add my questions to the ones he is asking then. Who knew about the theft in the time frame needed to take advantage of the timing so that they could use the info to take advantage of information that they supposedly would have hacked into TSR over three months ago and gained. Also, if the hacker would have had to get the info over 3 months ago (since the vulnerability was supposedly fixed then) they would have had to get every password on TSR and been storing them waiting for a reason to use them or they would have had to coincidentally just get the exact right ones (like Buggy's and the Hamilton one and be lucky enough to have them actually match at MTS2). I think it is worth knowing this stuff. |
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The Pirate Ship / ARR! / Re: TSR: In Ur Accounts, Deletin Ur Stuffs!
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on: 2009 March 31, 16:00:48
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I am curious as to who knew the details about the theft of buggy's work before the hacking. If we are to believe that it was a coincidence or that the hacker seized an opportunity to exploit the Buggy theft then they would have had to know that the complaint was even made. This all happened pretty fast and most of the details of what happened went on behind the scenes with Delphy and his staff and then the reporting to the TSR staff. Most of us (the greater community) didn't get the details until after or near the same time as the hacking. The hacker needed to know that this was happening in order to take advantage of it.
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The Pirate Ship / ARR! / Re: TSR: In Ur Accounts, Deletin Ur Stuffs!
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on: 2009 March 30, 17:14:49
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I was just over there to see if they were up and I cant find them. I looked all over and it seems they have been at least temporarily taken down at least. I am sure it is so that they can say it never happened and everyone is making it up. You know, "what files?". "Shakeshaft never made any pots!"- "You all are Crazy!". Anyone else able to locate the files?
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The Pirate Ship / ARR! / Re: TSR: In Ur Accounts, Deletin Ur Stuffs!
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on: 2009 March 30, 16:44:32
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I am also appalled but not surprised. Do we know what file it was she stole? Is it still up over at TSR? (Curious cat is curious).
Mrs. Cicero- Good for you. I am sure that was hard for you and I am glad you have a new home for your stories and a supportive place your fans will be able to find you. I agree that is a good and effective way to get out a message but I am sure they will find a way to take it down before many see it. (unfortunately) Welcome to PMBD. There is a lot of information here you may find interesting. Enjoy your stay. BRAVO!
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