Insim under new management!

[Zazazu]

So, the following has been brought to my attention:
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It seems Walt wants out, and yet he wants his exhorbitant payment back. I wonder what will happen when we present him with a third option: The one that leaves him holding the bag and wishing he'd never heard of Insim, having lost his shirt on this lousy deal.

Proving, once more, that he didn't read the fricking EULA before coughing up the cash. K&E really found a good target for their con.

[Quorneater]

Proving, once more, that he didn't read the fricking EULA before coughing up the cash. K&E really found a good target for their con.

I am still not entirely sure Walt is not K or E or a friend of theirs.  In which case it is still US who are being conned.  I say we don't engage with this guy/woman at all.  Just delete all the stuff and leave.

[Pescado]

Quinctia, there will be loads of young users who think Pescado is seriously trying to buy it from Walt and their donations will come flooding in.  There are still Paypal buttons up at the site.

That won't fly, anyway. I fully intend to include the value of any donations received in the offer. And insist as a precondition that the link be removed.

[Quinctia]

Quinctia, there will be loads of young users who think Pescado is seriously trying to buy it from Walt and their donations will come flooding in.  There are still Paypal buttons up at the site.

How are they going to find this out?  Walt has shown that discussing this sort of thing in public is anaethma.  Pescado is more than likely either going to string him along with negotiations or get a terse no.

Anyone who reads things over here is hopefully not at the site, and I don't foresee it getting announced at the site.

That won't fly, anyway. I fully intend to include the value of any donations received in the offer. And insist as a precondition that the link be removed.

See, string him along or get a terse no immediately!

[nastygirl]

Proving, once more, that he didn't read the fricking EULA before coughing up the cash. K&E really found a good target for their con.


I am still not entirely sure Walt is not K or E or a friend of theirs.  In which case it is still US who are being conned.  I say we don't engage with this guy/woman at all.  Just delete all the stuff and leave.

  
I agree with both!

[daniyagami]

Proving, once more, that he didn't read the fricking EULA before coughing up the cash. K&E really found a good target for their con.

I am still not entirely sure Walt is not K or E or a friend of theirs.  In which case it is still US who are being conned.  I say we don't engage with this guy/woman at all.  Just delete all the stuff and leave.

I agreed. It really pisses me off how some site managers think they own the content. They simply host the content, they don´t own it. Nobody actually owns the content, EAxis owns it all.

[Paleoanth]

I say we don't engage with this guy/woman at all.  Just delete all the stuff and leave.

No burning until I get home from work tonight! Damn, don't you listen to my unreasonable requests at all?

Seriously, how many files are left up there?  Have most people removed their stuff or has wart managed to lock that down or what? 

[Sherry]

I pretty much thought everyone was in agreement Delphy or Pes would have made much better hosts than Walt.  Either would have been up to the task and been able to contribute a large amount of expertise.  Only Walt didn't take Delphy's offer soon enough, and Pes got to work on cloning.  So I think with the way things transpired Pes is the better option at this point, but that's not because I ever had a preference.    

I like the idea of a fresh start, but I thought cloning was because they wanted to save a bulk of the old site?  

Finally, as others have mentioned, I would like to know Walt's asking price, even though I don't think there is any way in hell we should pay him anything.   

[neriana]

Actually, UI mods for MMOs are pretty common, especially for WoW - also leveling guides and mods that allow you to do certain things more effectively.  Some of this stuff is charged for, believe it or not.

Also, there are gold farmers and powerleveling services out there too.

No, UI mods are not charged for. I have about 45 of them, and I have never, ever, EVER seen one charged for. What, are you talking about illegal bots which will get your account banned? Leveling guides are actually legal, but that's a completely different thing -- also, anyone who pays for one of them is an idiot. Powerleveling services and buying gold will also get your account banned, and no one will be sorry, because anyone using them = cheating idiot.

Yeah, this stuff is out there, and some morons get away with it. It's like shoplifting. It's not accepted in the community.

[jokerswild]

Last I checked, becoming a NPO ran about $1,500.00  USD. So becoming an NPO and buying the sites is highly unlikely at best.
However it might be possible for a community to really own a site in another way.

Basically, Two icons Pes and Delphy jointly start a new site(s) for the community.
The community sets up it's own working(power hungry, lazy asses need not apply) government. Raises donations to maintain the site for at least 6 months to a year. Pay back both icons for their investments and work they've done. Then both icons both sign the site over to the two top elected heads of the current community government. If said leaders do not have the proper skill set to maintain the site, then set aside a fund to pay either the two who set it up or another trusted and qualified source.

Thing is could the community pull it off? I can dream. But I like drinking better. Pass the rum. Here's to an ongoing shitty situation and good company.

[Zazazu]

You can say what you want Pescado, but your actions says you care. Thank you for your time and effort invested in this salvaging operation, you're a trustworthy man! I'm not going to say anything nicer, you might resent that.

Shhhh. You'll make Hulk angry. He only cares for butthurt. That's the party line.

Proving, once more, that he didn't read the fricking EULA before coughing up the cash. K&E really found a good target for their con.

I am still not entirely sure Walt is not K or E or a friend of theirs.  In which case it is still US who are being conned.  I say we don't engage with this guy/woman at all.  Just delete all the stuff and leave.

I am not saying we should feel sorry for him, or anything like that. Someone who was conned was conned by themselves first, when they didn't take a moment to look into the offer. Eh, I'm not speaking well. Basically: He's a greedy dumbass. He got what he deserved. We are not fooled.

[Quorneater]

Finally, as others have mentioned, I would like to know Walt's asking price, even though I don't think there is any way in hell we should pay him anything.   

I'll tell you why not - it's because it's not his to sell.  The site (not the domain name and not the server) belongs to yours and my friends in the community.  It's completely unseemly to even *discuss* purchasing it.   Furthermore, *we* paid for the server, *we* paid for the domain name.  They were not Kathy and Eric's to sell, and they are not Walt's now.   He is trying to sell stolen good back to their rightful owners and I shall be disgusted if anyone goes along with it.

[SoggyFox]

I said -some-.  It might be that the practice fell off - I never bought the few that were out there - like sims stuff, the free stuff was better anyway.

I quit playing WoW a little under a year ago, because of alot of both guild crap and a frustration with tailoring.

[Pescado]

Basically, Two icons Pes and Delphy jointly start a new site(s) for the community.
The community sets up it's own working(power hungry, lazy asses need not apply) government. Raises donations to maintain the site for at least 6 months to a year. Pay back both icons for their investments and work they've done. Then both icons both sign the site over to the two top elected heads of the current community government. If said leaders do not have the proper skill set to maintain the site, then set aside a fund to pay either the two who set it up or another trusted and qualified source.

This idea is absurd in the extreme, obviously. There is simply no logic to adding this level of bureaucracy to the thing, ESPECIALLY when everyone involved has widely differing views of how things should work: In the sims community, you don't compromise over things. You just split and go your own seperate ways. There are no economies of scale to be had here.

I'll tell you why not - it's because it's not his to sell.  The site (not the domain name and not the server) belongs to yours and my friends in the community.  It's completely unseemly to even *discuss* purchasing it.

In this case, we are not buying a "site", we are simply buying the domain and server, which he DOES control. If he refuses to relinquish them, then he will be left holding the bag. I am quite firm in that I refuse to permit the paying of a single penny for the "site". Only for the domain and server: Real, legitimate costs OF the site, but not the site itself.

[Daemon-Held]

Damn. The refugee camp is burninated then. That spells trouble.

Do believe that is the sky is falling mentality.  Because its down you immediately think bad things. 

Oh, is it the way I said it that caused this? I'm sorry, I didn't mean to sound alarmist. I assumed to mny people got on and the thing crashed, is that correct? I wasn't saying ZOMG WALTZ HAXXORZ THE TING! That'll teach me, using words I don't understand properly. Sorry. Carry on.

And aye for option 3

I like that too. Walt wants out then? (I love how he summarized the complaints, concerns and help of the community as 'spam' by the way.)

Yet another vote for Option 3...

I understand poor ole Walt is out some cash...  but that really is his fault.  He obviously did not research what he was buying into.  He made no attempt (that I've been able to see from mods there) to find out how the forums were run, how the community ran...  what to expect with the transition..  nada.  And IMO, for a BUSINESSMAN to run full-speed into a "sizeable" investment (his reaction, I'm assuming) w/o first researching what it is you are "buying," isn't only bad business...  it's stupidity.

As others here, at Oasis, and even MTS2 have said...  dude needs a healthy life lesson here...  

*LAUGHS*