TSR Sharing your infomation!

[Titan]

Maybe I'm blind, but I do believe there is no longer any free stuff at Habitat43.

The kiddies took their marbles and went home. 

Also, if Sasilia said she set all her TSR sets free, either she lied or TSR just hasn't gotten around to it yet, because the newer ones are still pay.

If you go here you will find the free items on their site.  They are still throughout the site but, they do show them on their own now, as well.

As for what Sasi said on the Reflex forum, IMO she's trying to back track on her threats and just say that this was one big misunderstanding.  I say Sasi is full of Bullshit on this and is just worried that she blew her big mouth off too fast.

[Witchboy]

Your absolutely correct Titan & i couldn't agree with you more. She's trying to cover up her tracks & then the topper throws it all on birgit LOL

I wonder who this witchy is that lyric was responding too?

[Astonished lemons]

A person named 'witchboy' who was debunking her.

[Titan]

There is a post over at SimsCave; that may answer why Sasi is trying to take back her previous statements, and is trying to make nice with the community now.

We both also feel and seem to think that sasilia is very nervous and uptight about all the legality thats going on in the background, not just via pay pal but also the solicitors within the uk have been involved.  It is time this was brought to a conclusion.

It annoys me she has quite freely passed on pavs email addy, although it is of no concern as pavs has changed his email and company via his internet provider.  His credit card details have been amended and switched by pay pal.  He is in full communication via his solicitors and pay pal.

He did not want any of this to happen, nor did I, all over a few pixels for a game.  Although it was not illegal to share as it state in eula rights.  It seems a damn shame he was threatened because he was going to share.  We both thought long and hard over the decision and I uploaded the sets and shared from the both of us.

We are not bothered about how habitat43 is about this, nor do we care anymore.  At the end of the day what Sasilia has decided to do should be stopped at all costs so it will not happen to anyone else.   Had she asked from the beginning the reason why etc, this whole situation might not have arisen.

http://www.simscave.com/ferris/index.php?topic=4670.15

Maybe she's hoping; that if she plays the misunderstood card and giving away the CC for free, everyone will forgive and forget and hopefully this whole thing will blow over.
From the sounds of it though, it does appear that Pavs and Cheeky Monkey are not going to let this go, thank God.

[Witchboy]

I received a response from Attorney Andrew Jaffe on the questions i had asked by e-mail. Here is what he basicaly told me by phone.

Do Sims 2 pay sites who create Custom Content for the game own any copyright what so ever over said content?
There is no intellectual copyright for these items. Once the item is created & put into a ea/maxis package format for the game the copyright reverts automatically back to EA.

Why you must add the "This site is not endorsed by or affiliated with Electronic Arts, or its licensor's. Trademarks are the property of their respective owners. Game content and materials copyright Electronic Arts Inc. and its licensor's. All Rights Reserved."

So EA is not liable for said sites & or services.

Why EA doesn't stop Paysites?

EA has not stepped in to stop it because it would behoove them to do so seeing as both pay sites & freesites help sell their product. But EA could step in at anytime, say all of this is ours & you must cease & desist.

Is the sharing of personal pay pal info between owners of Sims 2 paysites illegal?

Sharing of e-mail address & screen names is not illegal. As long as their not sharing banking, credit card, real name & address info. That would then make it illegal.

[crunk]

The way I understand it is this (and I read this example, probably on reflex, so sorry if I'm using the enemy's wording here!) that if a store has "Do not accept cheques from Sally Sloopy, Freddy Flashman, etc" on a message board, this is well, basically legal. No info other than a name which could be found in the phone book is given.

If the store across the road gave those same names, with addresses, driver's license numbers, and bank account info, then - bam! illegal.

So while any site can list, in huge glowy letters, the known screen names and email addresses of "pirates" they can't share personal information with anyone, even their mother.

Yes? So if someone wants to play innocent and say "I never shared paypal info" but in fact even was part of a discussion of that info, then they are breaking the law?

Illegal:
Paysite owner1: "Hey, Sally Sloopy, of East West Somewhere Drive etc stole our pay content!"
LL: "k! Let me write that down and keep it!"

shit, that was rambling!

[Witchboy]

The sharing of email address & screen names is not illegal as per Attorney Andrew Jaffe said. It becomes illegal when they start sharing banking info, credit card info, your real name & real address.

[Titan]

The sharing of email address & screen names is not illegal as per Attorney Andrew Jaffe said. It becomes illegal when they start sharing banking info, credit card info, your real name & real address.

Ok, so what you're say WB, is that what they were doing over at TSR private forum was illegal since real names were being used in there, right?

[Paleoanth]

Whether sharing email addresses and screen names is illegal or not, it is certainly a bullying tactic.  I would think that most people would not want this information shared despite it being legal.  I know I wouldn't want my email just given out.  I get enough crap as it is. 

[Witchboy]

Ok, so what you're say WB, is that what they were doing over at TSR private forum was illegal since real names were being used in there, right? 

I believe from what the attorney said it has to to be a combination of real name & one or more of the following.....

banking info, credit card info, real address.

Whether sharing email addresses and screen names is illegal or not, it is certainly a bullying tactic.  I would think that most people would not want this information shared despite it being legal.  I know I wouldn't want my email just given out.  I get enough crap as it is. 

I completely agree with you Tomato. It shouldn't been done whether its legal or not.

[Missbonbon]

Honestly it pisses me off that she just assumes that setting her stuff free and putting the blame on Birgit will make it better....

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It's just WRONG to go this fucking apeshit over C/C!!!!
This is beyond ridiculous. Paysites, all you are doing is pandering to your pockets, you have lost your freaking minds, OK? You've LOST THE PLOT.  As far as I am concerned, those screenshots provided did not just say "user@isp.com" is a violating user, this is their IP address and their username is "Tinklebunny". They gave out REAL names, and didn't they also included patner details, whose credit card it is, and so on? Carefully blurred here to protect at least on SOME level the so called pirates involved?
Is this their idea of waging war? Um, as an example, we're sharing Ikea furniture for the Sims 2. Ikea doesn't care. EA doesn't care. Why should the person who brought two and two together in such a HORRENDOUS fashion, get paid? When there are so many other people doing it for free? Because this isn't an enterprise, it's a fucking game. The real enterprises are the sole copyright owners (EA) that you guys don’t work for. No matter how much you wish you did.
See how it doesn't compute? What sort of REAL ingenuity are you paysite owners giving to the community/society at large?
Fucking nothing. I agree with the beautiful Alia post. You guys need to get the hell off your high horses. Stop sharing personal information, Pirates are NOT Criminals.
Can I say it again, so you can understand? Pirates, in the Sims 2 community, ARE NOT CRIMINALS.
Your two faced, stabs in the dark hoping to catch a shoulder blade is PATHETIC, unethical and underhanded. If you want to fight this war, do it with fucking dignity.
What irks me about this drama is its stubborn greed. They got their money and now they want more? Each and every time someone wants to buy their bloated cube meshes? Fuck you Habitat43. Seriously.  Totally pissed off.

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[karu]

what do ya wanna bet that atwa is writing her own ticket over at tsr right now?

[Hannahg]

That was a great rant deelink 

[Zazazu]

Ok, so what you're say WB, is that what they were doing over at TSR private forum was illegal since real names were being used in there, right? 

I believe from what the attorney said it has to to be a combination of real name & one or more of the following.....

banking info, credit card info, real address.

Ah, but what if you are the only person of your name in the world, as am I? Someone shares my real name, and anyone seeing it theoretically could find where I lived using something like Zabasearch (not quite true in my case since for some reason it's not picked up on my current address).