Thank you for totally belittling everything I said.

Anyway, I'm open to seeing whether or not this new policy works out, but my concerns remain.

Other than instances where the alteration covers the item itself, I don't think it's appropriate for MTS2 staff to make that call.  I would argue that Bruno's presentation heavily detracts from the item in question, but because it looks good, it goes on by.  As long as the item is presented unaltered, why should it matter whether you think the alterations to the picture are good or bad?

I'm not saying you don't have the right to make that call, I just think it's rude.

Anyway,  the whole new policy thing is a very nice idea, but the cynic (and/or realist) in me prevails.  Repeating the goal doesn't make the likely flaws go away.  As Captain Feathersword said, isn't posting free items how a lot of paysites bait us to begin with?

But I appreciate your hard work and positivity nonetheless.  :cake:

I don't think censoring pay items addresses the main issue, but I do think it's a reasonable thing to allow creators to do.  I was disappointed to think that my screenshots I had made some time ago, which I put a lot of effort into (too much, admittedly) would not be allowed at MTS2.  I thought censoring them was a good compromise, but they were rejected anyway.

I don't really have a problem with keeping pay stuff out of my screenshots in the future, but I do still think it's unreasonable to reject screenshots because of the censoring, especially since heavily photoshopped screenshots are allowed.

As for a suggestion that addresses the main issue, I've already given the ones I can think of: either don't advertise paysites at all, not even their free stuff, or advertise that their pay items should not be paid for and are available for free.  I'm not very creative I suppose, but at least it's straight-forward.

Restating the last few posts of this thread did not help, no, but I appreciate your effort nonetheless.  <3

The only TSR FA's that I think are actually worth pillaging are Aikea_Guinea and CycloneSue.  They can walk my plank any day.

If you're implying that I haven't looked at other points of view, you're wrong.  I started out thinking it was a great move, but the more I think about it, the more flaws I see.

I don't think your opinion differs from me all that much.  I still think MTS2 is the best Sims site there is.  It's a ton of stuff 100% free all the time, and that's a lot of work for them.  I just don't always agree with the rules.  Do you see me rebelling or throwing a fit?  No.  I'm just stating my thoughts on it.

armywife, either you're missing our point entirely or you just don't see it as a problem.  Allowing the free items from the paysites advertises for the paysites just as much as if the pay items were allowed also.  And, if you're just promoting their free items whilte ignoring their pay items entirely, the uninformed wont know any better and will likely end up subscribing to these sites.

If you don't want damn stupid Peggy and her gappy hair to get any more money then you should either (a) not advertise her site at all or (b) advertise that her items should not be paid for, and are available for free.

That's a point I can agree with.  I want to reiterate that I don't think this new rule is all bad, I just think there's more potential for suck than there is for strawberry goodness.

I think you've forgotten which site you're posting at.  xD

But I don't see how what you're saying addresses my concern--if you allow free content from paysites, paysites are still being advertised.  You may be directly promoting their free content, but the result is the same, and without the benefit of being able to tell people they can still get the stuff without paying for it.

It's my opinion that pay-content-hosted-for-free does send the right message--that being that we love the stuff, we just think it's inappropriate to charge for it.

Unfortunately, I don't run the site so my opinion means jack.  All I can do is poo-poo the idea.

Also, armywife...  Uhh...  I'm sure you're great and all, but your emotional appeal is all but lost on the likes of me.

Thank you.  I probably will.    I've never though about uploading anywhere else before.  Would Insim be a good place to do so?  They seem to be the second biggest site.

Also, as part of this discussion going on in the LiveJournal communities, I've been thinking that this new rule has the potential to hurt the anti-paysite cause in the long run.  Free items from paysites are still allowed, so instead of Johnny Noob saying "Hey, where can I get that hair?" and me saying "PMBD!" Johnny Noob is going to go to Peggy's site and get it for free, then see that she has a billion other hairs for sale for the low low price of your soul.  And the poor newbie sap wont even realize they're poor quality because MTS2 has kept him out of the loop.

Or am I wrong?  Or has someone already said this?  This thread is liek tl;dr.

Bah, now my uploads are being rejected because censoring the pay items from the screenshots I had already made isn't good enough.  I gave my models pretty black afros and everything!

Forget it.  It seems like these new rules are making things harder on the creators than the paysites.

And you can say "it's not that hard to make new ones" all you want, but it just isn't worth that much effort to me at this point.

At least one of my models remains in tact.



Mmm...  Virtual boy candy.

1)  It is not hard, but it is a pain.
2)  Maxis hairs are ugly.
3)  A lot of it is about the other stuff in the pics.  It even says in the creator guidelines and everything that your pics sell your creations, and having other pretty things surrounding your creations helps.
4)  In spite of these, I still think it's a good move.  Not as good as going all-out with the pirateness (pfft, you people and your "high ground"), but good nonetheless.

And that hair gallery looks great!  I like the format you've chosen.

Can't say I blame 'em.  Remembering which of my crap is pay and which isn't is hard sometimes.

As I was discussing with someone on the TS2 LJ community, we'll probably see a trend of either less creators posting at MTS2 (several I spoke to have said, right or not, the new rules are too difficult) or creators removing all custom content except their new stuff when making their screen shots.

I mean ones that I already made screenshots for, but I haven't posted yet.  These were up for a couple of days before they got shot back saying I couldn't show pay content... at all.

I'm starting to see why people make their own sites.  I still like MTS2, but dealing with them as a creator is becoming... frustrating.

Still, I think it's worth it.  Paysites must be destroyed, after all.