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I was browsing the booty last night, and was looking through the Peggy hair, and when i saw this little...erm..gem..-

 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/0xpsychoticx0/peggyfemale_0499.jpg)

and i thought to myself, "Gee self, that looks familliar..." and i rememberd, i saw a mesh that looked inherently similar to it on XM sims last week, this one-

 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/0xpsychoticx0/XMS_Flora_MeshHair055.jpg)

now, i KNOW they arent the SAME, but they are remarkably similar...mabye the peggy hair was there first, but when you look at alot of Peggys meshes, alotof them look like slightly tweaked meshes that are found elswhere, to my eyes atleast..I'd just like to know what other peoples opinions are on this, and if this is an old drawn out topic, im sorry, i dont post here much  :oops: i just thought it would be an interesting comparison :wink:

XM tends to make meshes similar to Peggy's stuff.  It's been that way for a long time.  I don't really see a lot of similarity between the two.  If the XM hair was braided, then maybe.

Besides, hair meshes are bound to look similar.  There's only so much you can do with it before you have to break out the tubs of hair gel.

Personally I don't see a great enough similarity between the two to suggest copying, other people's MMV.

What did excite me though is that XMsims have heard my prayers and started binning their Fawn recolor as a blonde and not a brown. Hallelujah!

I don't know how others feel about it, but, I like to see free hair meshers do similar styles to the paysites.  The free ones are better quality and have better textures.

The two styles don't look that similar especially as there are other examples that are much worse. I have a feeling that most of Peggy's hairs come straight from Poser and likely it's the same for XM Sims. However, since XM Sims isn't trying to make a profit off of (most of) her hairs I have somewhat less of a problem with it.

They aren't that similar, I think it's just that the hair is going over the shoulder that is causing the similarity.

I personally like XM better than Peggy mainly because XM hairs are named better. I can rebin them if the need arises (the binning tool is the only thing I can do with SimPE). I find it almost impossible with Peggy's shitty way of organizing and naming.

XM's hairs are better especially if you find retextures and edits on MTS2 or something. I do not like XM's idea of red, it is the same with Peggy. After looking at Peggy's reds I feel like stabbing the Kitty Fairy Santa through the heart and selling her blood to feed my chilluns(very violent).

My first thought when I saw XM's new mesh was how similar it looks to this Rose one...
(http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r34/BrainStaple/Rosedonate_0067.jpg)

I still don't understand the weird little ponytail thing in the back.

That was my first thought as well. I don't really like either of them.

Before I discovered the booty, I was always happy whenever XM Sims released free hair that looks similar to Peggy's pay hair. XM usually has better textures. And no gaps.  :wink:

I like XM Sims, compared to Peggy they're free and don't have nasty gaps or other shit.

As far as I'm concerned, XMSims can make hair exactly like the paysites and offer it for free.  In their own way they are doing their part in bringing down paysites.  I don't see a large similarity in the styles shown but then again, I don't care.

Like others have said, I wouldn't care if they were exactly the same.  XM stuff is better and always free.

And I don't see much similarity anyway.

That hair is just one of the similarities, i noticed that long time ago. Basically almost every XMsims hair looks like peggy.

And i loved that because it looks better IMO and it's free. But yeah there are a lot of hairs that are not the same, but still VERY similar.

I would be exceptionally delighted if all free talented creators would produce free replicas of paysites' stuff.

Therefore, even if those hair were identical, that would be a A+ on my list for Flora; Peggy can go suck all the rocks she can find around.

From what I know, people request (on the "Message" part of the XM Sims site) for Sue/Flora to create hairs that they have seen and liked but are pay. I don't know if they still do the requests but I've read people requesting hairs and then a similar hair is in the next update.

I think xm sims do that for reason for those who can't get member downloads. So they can get things simular too. I like the idea.

Meh I agree with what people have already said. If there was a Peggy and XM hair that looked darn similar, then I would download the XM - its free, no gaps in the mesh, lower poly me thinks, probs animated, nicer textures and colours. Also XM meshes are more versatile, so you can have so many different versions of them - edit the textures and alphas more freely, whereas Peggy's are a pain in the arse. And also XMsims do not have blinkies on their site!  :roll:

XM Sims used to do horrendous texturing and colouring. I always got MTS2 recs of their hairs.

Now they do good textures and shit meshes.

I love the XM textures... but they aren't binned. Can someone teach these folks how to bin their hair.

No don't have SimPE and won't have it as long as it requires. .NET

Someone needs to make a hair bin tool that doesn't require SimPE or .NET

XM do bin their hairs, in fact they've just changed slightly so what they used to bin as light brown they bin as blonde which is great cos it's not a horrible shade of yellow. I was going to suggest my hair binning tut at my blog but it requires simPE and the binning tool!

XM Sims is better than Peggy for many different reasons

1.) They're free
2.) Lower poly counts
3.) No hideous gaps or other shit
4.) More variety

Yeah, I've become a huge fan of XM hair...especially the more recent ones. Great variety of colors (generally colorbinned correctly), nice styles, nice animations, little if any cutting.

When did they start doing that? I have tons of XM styles all colors that are not binned. Must me the most recently ones. I think starting with the one that has the little lace hair thingie that they starting binning I have ones from before then.

The binning started around page 41. I have some of their hair. I just don't like a lot of the reds. They're almost Peggy red. But XM hair is pretty good hair overall. The poly counts seem to stay pretty low for intricate or long hair. Unlike Peggy who never posts that.

Is there even a way to bin without SimPE (that's how I do it)?

There will be. jfade is working on a 'Wardrobe Wrangler' that will allow you to bin hair, correctly categorize clothing, and work with accessories...all without the hassle of Bodyshop or SimPE.

Stay tuned..it's not even in beta testing yet!

I love me some Jfade.  I will be soooo happy when that tool comes out.

To the OP-  Do we care about if XM Sims copied an idea from a paysite?  Really? :roll:

Now that's a tool I can look forward to! I love organization and things being categorized correctly. I also hate SimPE. I only use it to bin and change a sim's last name.

I think she would enjoy that to much. maybe she can suck thomas off for FA status at tsr! LOL oh damn that was crass :lol: I'v been in a sassy mood all mornin. oh wait maybe she better chew on a cannonball :3 :lol:  :D

Buttttt it's known that xm sims and peggie sims are mesh stealers, specially from renderosity freebies, and commerical items. I'v been keeping an eyeball on tsr, peggie sims, xm sims and a few other sites for renderosity for copyright violations. I work at renderosity for over 10 years now. shit wow i'm getting old lol!

ok sweethearts i'm off like a flash to feed the booty!

I don't think that stealing a mesh is the worst thing someone can do, if they give it out for free. Yes it may be lazy, but selling it I find wrong. If a site takes a mesh and makes it into sim hair they should credit the original creator. I have odd personal beliefs about internet stealing (music, software, etc.).

I don't personally know if these sites take meshes. I know nothing about meshes. But, in all likelihood Peggy probably does take other people's meshes and mutilates them. She is the greediest bitch around after all, besides Thomas.

I don't think Peggy'll ever move to TSR, she probably gets more money on her own site. I mean the subscription price is up there, for the crap she's trying to sell you.

I still don't like xm's version of black but their other colors are ok.

EDIT: :slaps self: I just went to the site and checked their colors. Turns out, their black IS actually a nice black. I confused it with the "raven" color that they show in the previews. I hate that raven color, but I do like their black. And i really like how they show the previews of each color so I don't have to download all of them.

If the color selections are divided by bin category on the download page, then they're binned.  If they're not, then they're not.  So you can see exactly where it started.

What? :?

ETA: Nvm I get it now :D

If you ask me, I would say that the xmsims mesh looks much more like one of rose's donation meshes.

(http://img477.imageshack.us/img477/3281/xmsflorameshhair055wa3.jpg)

(http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/6219/rosedonate0054zj2.jpg)

They even share that clippy thing in the back.

A lot of hairs I've seen have a bit of hair clipped up in the back.  One of Peggy's early ones does it.

Link. (http://paysites.mustbedestroyed.org/booty/peggy/femalehair/female_0065.jpg)

Finding similarities only interests me when it is being compared to a hair from Renderosity or something.

Did you know a lot of hairs in buns look the same?  And ponytails?  And long hairs?  Of course you're going to find similarities.

ETA: And the XM hair and Rose hair don't look similar to me.  Looks like you're just grasping at straws.

The XMSims mesh has the parting on the left and the Rose mesh has the parting on the right so I think the rest of its just coincidence.

You know, the thing is, I see vague similarities, but like someone else just said, there's going to be similarities between hairstyles.  Such is life.  I just happen to think that I don't like either one of those hairstyles.  If I saw a person walking down the street with their hair done like that, I'd say they looked ridiculous.

Sunair from TSR's meshes look a lot like XM Sims ones, her new ones.  :roll:

Or is it just me? Then I'm embarrassed.  :oops:

I've always been grateful to XM Sims for posting free hair that looked a bit like Peggys.  It seemed Peggy would put out a pay one and then XM would put out something similiar for free.  Kind of a nice balance.  Never paid much attention to the donations at XM Sims because the good stuff was free anyway.