CC Commission

[Ry]

If it's going to be stuff that will be shared with everyone, I have no problem with it.
But if it's simply for her, well...I think it's quite selfish.
Yes, yes, it's her money blah blah.
But the point here is trying to stop the exclusive files and THIS could end up being another popular way to lord over someone else what you've got that they don't.
Just like Micha.
And eero, I know, is different now. But past is true and well, he should be able to own up to it without feeling bad if he has changed his way.
Micha, tho...Pfft.
 :lol:

[watergirl]

I personally have no problem with someone paying someone else to make them some custom content. I am paying for a service, just like I would pay someone to bake me a cake or update my website. Just DO NOT expect me to refrain from sharing the end product.  Also, do not expect me to pay for stuff you stole from someone else, or are using illegally, which is what paysites do.   If I pay you to recolor a Maxis mesh for me, I am paying for your services, not the recolor, since it still is a Maxis mesh.  If I pay you to make a neighborhood for me, do not think you have any rights to tell me what to do with said neighborhood.

Anyone want to pay me to recolor something for them?  :lol:

"Paying for a service" is one excuse that a paysite owner would claim. In the past have heard people say they don't like paysites but TSR was different because they were providing a service.  :roll:
IMO paying for a service for someone to make you CC is no different than a paysite.

[Renegade]

I don't think it's lazy: I think it's dumb.

I'd consider myself lazy, and to me it is much easier to download a custom neighbourhood if I wanted, and just download themed lots.  There are tons of premade lots, neighbourhood, and themed content out there, that it would be much easier to just download it rather than spend the time telling someone, "Okay, I want this, that, and this - but oh, not that.  And it can't be like this, I prefer it to look more like that, etc, etc."

Too much work.

Dumb.

[Anouk]

TSR FA is commission work. Therefore you suck! :lol:

[Moune]

I'm with Ry (hey babe, got some rum?) on this one. Don't like anything that smells of exclusive files, and this does.

Although nobody answered the post I'm sure there are people out there willing to take the commission. I mean, it's a big project, so there'd be a fair amount of money involved. And - as we know - there are creators who really like their money.

[Ry]

* quickly duct tapes Moune to her computer chair *

You stay. I missed you.
*rubs da belly*

Tee hee!

[dr.philthy]

Well, a while ago someone sent me a request for a huge set of very complicated clothes on MTS2. I pmed them back saying their request would take too long, probably 2 months or more of 2-3 hrs every day, and that I wasn't interested in it.
So they pmed me back offering to pay me $20-$30 for it.
Now, assuming it took me 3 hrs/day for 30 days, thats 90 hrs. $20 for 90 hrs is about 20-22 cents/hr :?
Lol, thats a real shit job.Like a sweat shop in Bangledash :lol:  And remember, I can really only sell it the once, I can't create an exclusive item for someone and than distribute it. So my only option would be to shave hours off my production time, and of course that could ony lead to reduced (severely reduced) quality in my productions. So, for me, that's why I wouldn't take a commision. It's just insulting in terms of the money.
 I don't really think of it in the same way as a paysite, because if you really really want something made that no one else seems interested to make for you, this is probably the only way to get it. I would pay someone $10 or $20 to make me a computer that looks like a medieval scroll with a new writing animation, I've wanted one for ever, lol.
(But they'd probably say to me 'That would cost me $200-$500 in my time')
It's also patently obvious that we can't stop it, we can never get those files unless the vendor or the customer agrees to hand them over.
It's also the absolute least profitable form of selling cc, no one will ever pay you for the files what they are worth in terms of labor. And noone will request anything easy like 'ponytail hair with gap' or 'shitty photoskinned bikini' So I don't think it will ever catch on in the larger sense.

Now,I just wonder how much this person was willing to pay for an entire complete nh? I made myself one medieval themed hood from scratch, it took FOREVER! I couldn't make someone one for less than $1000, honestly  My time is just worth too much to me to let it go for pennies an hour.
Lol, I hope I'm not coming off sounding pro-paysite, I'm not, but this cc commision thing is just so different to me than just slapping up random five minute files on your site and selling them for 50 cents a pop. It's SO labor intensive to make good cc.
I pmed this person back saying 'At my job, I make about $20/hr. 90 x 20 is $1800 :twisted: '
What ever I do for free I do for pleasure. Whatever I do for money is REALLY going to cost you :lol:

[Moune]

Good point, dr. Philthy. I guess I just assumed that this person is willing to pay in the hundreds for their personalized neighbourhood. I certainly hope this commission thing won't catch on at all.

Ry, if you're going to keep me captured here, how about bringing me a bottle? And I'm not talking about milk here. :wink:

[Zazazu]

See, there really is no difference in my opinion. Even if you try to state that what is being commissioned is the creator's time, not the product, the fact remains that the time would not be compensated without receipt of the end product. So we have a creator being paid for their time using EAxis' tools and materials to create a product that is unusable without EAxis' tools and materials and which is in package/pack format...a format they wouldn't have access to without EAxis' tools and materials.

Is it technically against the EULA? Kind of gray. The creator isn't posting it to their website, so they aren't using it for their commercial website. However, it looks to me that it is violating "you may not modify, reverse engineer, disassemble, license, transfer, distribute, create works from, or sell the Tool, or use the Tools & Materials to further any commercial or unlawful purpose". Getting money = commercial purpose.

Anyways. Original poster at N99 is a lazy ass. I understand wanting to spoil oneself, but get something else. I'm tempted to smack those here who have stated that they would take/consider taking such a request, but whatev.

[Sherry]

If someone I didn't really know asked me to make an object I was not particularly motivated to make and offer to pay me for it I think I would say yes (depending on the price).  As dr.philthy mentioned I think it's higher than this chick realizes.  The charge would be for the mesh, though and my time making that, and that is what they would pay me for and get to keep.  Now, if they want that placed into a sims .package file I will do that for them free of charge (after payment and mesh exchange), but they would have to know that the .package file doesn't belong to them or me, it belongs to EA, and can be shared according to EA's terms and conditions.

[dr.philthy]

Well, for me the issue isn't really with the EULA. Obvoiusly no matter how you go about it, profiting from cc is still forbidden by the EULA.
The issue is more that you can't really expect a perfect stranger to undertake a hugely comlicated task for you, particularly one in which they have little personal interest, without offering them some form of compensation.
I'm not trying to state that what is being commisioned is the labour, not the product, I'm blatantly saying it's both.
Production costs factor heavily into any purchase you'll ever make. Surely noone would be compensated for their time without receipt of the end product, but the end product would not exist without the time invested to create it.
And to me it is crystal clear that this is still rendered perfectly illegal by the EULA.

I can't say I think the poster at N99 is a lazy ass. Is anyone who plays PleasantView, StrangeTown, etc... a lazy ass?
This person just wants a brand new nh to play with, and would rather invest money than time for it. Transactions like that make the world go round.
Bottom line on cc commisions is that we won't be able to stop it.
Though I agree with Sherry and Kariminger that obviously EA's ownership of .packages supercedes any contract between other parties, there is just zero way to get said files.
I'm not sure if I would take a cc commision or not, but if I did and the person did not want me to distribute the files I wouldn't. I make PLENTY of files I don't distribute, and some I send only to my friends if I want (for free mind you). In that case I do ask that people not distribute those 'gifts' because I feel if the .packages have not been posted, they are still mine. EA can take files I have posted on the web if they want, but they can not come into my house and take them from my hard drive.
I can't say I think it's too different.

[Ry]

Ry, if you're going to keep me captured here, how about bringing me a bottle? And I'm not talking about milk here. :wink:

*lugs in a crate of rum bottles*
Here we are dear.
*passes Moune healthy snacks*
Lemme know if you gotta potty. I may have a chamberpot around here somewhere... :lol:

Bah.
Lazy...nothing wrong with it. I'm lazy. Atleast I didn't pull out the "C" word, right? Right?
 :lol:

I can see why she may not want to make her own. But I still can't understand why anyone would want to take this offer or even put it out there. Why not download houses and stick them into your neighborhood yourself? Doesn't take *too* long.
I dunno. Not following the loop here, I suppose.

[calalily]

Better still why not download the complete *free* neighbourhoods available around the place.  They have about 3 at Genesims, 1 at MTS2, and numerous others that I've seen around the place.

[Moune]

Nothing personal, Dr. Philthy, but that's where I'd begin to have issues. I mean with creating stuff and only giving it to a few select friends, but not allowing it to be redistributed or shared in any way.

Of course your friends might all be sensible nice people who keep your gifts to themselves and only take pleasure from them in private, but there are certainly also many others who will use that kind of gifts to show off and boast about how "close" they are to the creator. How much better they are compared to everyone else who haven't been favoured with the same item, and therefore obviously must be insignificant and inferior people. "And, no, you can't all have this beautiful outfit, because it was a personal gift to ME and it is therefore UNAVAILABLE".

IMO we've already had way too much of that kind of thing in this community, and if I'm not completely wrong SFV - or at least some of its predecessors - was started exactly because of such condescending behavior.

Edited because Ry brought the rum.
*Grabs a bottle* Wonderful! Thanks my lovely. I sure missed you too. *kisses Ry on cheek*
Now let the party begin.  :lol:

[dr.philthy]

Well, I don't take anything personally, really :lol:
I agree that is really silly and snobbish behaviour, and if anybody ever sees someone doing that and saying I (iamliz13 at MTS2) am the creator please, pm me here or at MTS poste haste and the item will be uploaded immediately=)If I gave someone a nice sweater IRL, I wouldn't expect them to wave it around at people saying 'Lookie what I got, bitches'  I do not do it to exclude anyone, or even because I like to keep things to myself, it's actually down to my personal laziness and lack of time. I like to only upload things in sets,screenshots etc take forever. So chances are, if I've made something and it's not part of a set it won't get uploaded.

I do agree it seems silly to want to pay someone to make you a hood when there are some already available for free. I wonder what it is she wants so specific that she can't just modify an available one?
I can for sure understand wanting an entire premade hood though, where you can just start playing immediately, if you don't like building and decorating. Sometimes I love building and decorating, and sometimes I hate it sooo much, lol.