TSR Sharing your infomation!

[Druid]

Hanging out on TSR doesn't make someone evil any more than being a Muslim makes someone a terrorist.

I vote for a new addendum (or whatever the correct term is... corollary? It's late here.) to Godwin's Law that includes terrorists.   That was ridiculous, BootStrapBill.

[dusdeedawn]

While I have not bashed you or your creations specifically, and as insofar as I can say, I have nothing against you personally, I do not like having the FAQ thrown in my face.

No, we do not bash free sites. TSR is not a free site. Yes, it says we do not talk smack about free creations, but while you call TSR your home, you are not off limits. Yes, you are very talented. Yes, I have DJS Sims bookmarked. Yes, I love your site. And, yes, I am sorry that you continue to remain at TSR. Sorry for you, but mostly sorry for the sheeples who like your stuff and think that your association with TSR means that that site is okay.

TSR must be destroyed.

[SnarkyShark]

So all you have to do is mention his name and he comes? Or are we supposed to start fighting about the importance of Jfade to the sims community and give TSR something to gloat about?

I honestly just don't care enough.

[Redikolous]

I honestly just don't care enough.

Inorite?

I mean, damn, Pescado.  You should have mentioned to jfade that we only start fangirling after they leave TSR. 

[daniyagami]

So all you have to do is mention his name and he comes? Or are we supposed to start fighting about the importance of Jfade to the sims community and give TSR something to gloat about?

I honestly just don't care enough.

I called him to stand by himself. I think is always better to let people speak by themselves.
I don´t have anything to say about Josh because I don´t know him enough. I think he is a nice kid and I appreciate the fact that he host a free site from his pocket. I have stuff there and he never charged me a cent.
So basically all I know is what he already said.
I think we should phocus on the main problem here: TSR.
If TSR ends, the problem is over.

I´m worried about Tomato´s account suspended at LJ. Looks like someone decided to report that account. This makes me wonder two things: how is possible that LJ suspended this account so fast and why Coconut account wasn´t reported.
We should phocus on this by now and save screenshots as most as possible.

[neriana]

If TSR ends, the problem is over.

This is quite true.

By the way, it's spelled "focus", not "phocus". I can see that spelling "forum" as "phorum" here might get confusing. I'm not picking on you, that just amused me .

[SnarkyShark]

I called him to stand by himself.

Thanks for clearing that up. - 

Now, I see my account is suspended, not just the journal. 

It would be interesting to know for sure, but my guess is that atwat is the culprit. It's apparent from reading coconut's journal that she wastes no time whining up a storm in order to get information or files she views as a threatening removed.  It's also apparent that she spends a considerable amount (or all) of her time here at PMBD, so it's very likely that she was one of the first to see your journal. When you think about it, it's kind of scary knowing she's always out there watching our every move like some great big, lumbering cyber-yak or something.

[Darqstar]

Oh for heaven's sake, leave him alone.  Hanging out on TSR doesn't make someone evil any more than being a Muslim makes someone a terrorist.  Jfade has contributed a great deal to the community and has never charged money for his work.  He shouldn't have to give up his old friends and haunts just because the place has changed since he got there.  Aren't there some real paysite owners out there who need harrassing?

(Bolded was added by me)

This is rather like compairing apples and plaid leasure suits, but I'll take a stab at it. 

No, being Muslim doesn't make someone a terrorist.  Jfade having friends at TSR doesn't make him... uhm.. do we have a special word for paysite users?  Well, okay, let's just say that having friends at TSR doesn't make him a Thomas.   Being a moderator at TSR doesn't make him a Thomas either. 

However, if you find a Muslim (or anyone else for that matter)  in a room with a bunch of other people who are telling the flight instructor, "Nah, we don't need to learn how to land  the plane,"  can you really blame anyone who might come to the conclusion that even if this person wasn't a terrorist, that they are at least not objecting to the idea? 

There are a lot of decent people on TSR.  I was one of them for awhile.   I know of at least one FA over there who I still respect and admire.  I wish she'd wise up and stop letting TSR sell her stuff, but in a way, that's a minor point.   But I will say that I'm very happy to see she has not been participating in that thread.  If I find out later she does, I'll change my opinion of her.

That thread is a peice of work.   TSR having a hall of shame doesn't bother me all that much.  If they had just said, "Here are the names of people we banned because we thought they might be pirates" and listed only their TSR handles, I don't think too many people would be upset.  However, they took it too far.  They published real names.  And Thomas and Steve can cry out that it was on a private forum all he wants, but the fact that all of us here now has access to that post, tells me just how secure that forum is.   We're just lucky Coconut is decent enough to blur out the real names. 

What Jfade wrote wasn't all that bad.  He was merely making a point about the Wiki being changed.  If it had been in any other thread, I don't think anyone would have noticed, because the remark was pretty innocent.  But him making the post in a thread where personal information is being shared and the fact that TSR has banned these folks is being talked about with such glee, along with other plans to harm people?  That makes anyone who posted in the thread look jerky.   Because to me?  If you post in that thread, you are at least saying that you don't disapprove of posting private information about people. 

Aikea posted there and she was nailed up a bit about it.  However, questions were answered and she's admitted that she doesn't feel the same way now as she did then.  Okay, that's fine.  We don't know how you feel about it.  You are upset that we've said things about you, but in that situation, all we had to go on was that you posted in that thread and it wasn't to say, "Hey, you know, posting personal information about people just isn't cool." 

Jfades contributions to the Sims community are not being questioned.  The reactions I saw read more like, "Why is such a great person with that group?"  I didn't see anyone saying "Well, now that we know he's a mod at TSR, we'll be sure to spit on him every time we see him."   I still think his stuff is great, I still think he's contributed a lot to the Sims community.  But, I will say I'm disappointed that he posted on that thread.

Since he's coming around here to defend himself, I'd like to ask him straight out,  Did you approve of that post?  Did you approve of the idea of Thomas posting full, real names of people that he suspected were pirates?   If you did, then I'm disappointed.  If you didn't approve, then why did you post there?  Even if you didn't want to make waves there, you could have just ignored the thread.  There are at few people who I know had access to that forum and that thread who decided not to contribute, so I'm pretty sure that posting in it was optional. 

Edited because:  I was buzzed and made some mistakes in POV.  Fixed them.

[neriana]

it's kind of scary knowing she's always out there watching our every move like some great big, lumbering cyber-yak or something.

Cyber-yak! Oh my goddess. That is fucking hilarious.

[daniyagami]

I´m happy to amuse you, neriana
To be honest, I appreciate corrections, help me to improve. Thank you.
(I really mix when I should use "ph" or "f". It´s "foco" in portuguese so I think I won´t forget this. But is also "forum" in portuguese. Messy, huh?)

Thanks for clearing that up.

You´re welcome.

The reactions I saw read more like, "Why is such a great person with that group?"  

I must confess I would like to know too. I like Josh and I don´t understand what he is doing there specially now.

it's kind of scary knowing she's always out there watching our every move like some great big, lumbering cyber-yak or something.

PMBD stalker. Scary, indeed.

I keep my One Million Dollars question: why Tomato´s journal was reported and Coconut no?
Personal information about a crush for Thoma$$ (I´m so adopting this way to write his name) is moar important than revealing personal data in the webs? *shocked*
(wow this love must be seriouz buzinezz. I wonder if his WIFE - because he have one - knows)

[neriana]

(I really mix when I should use "ph" or "f". It´s "foco" in portuguese so I think I won´t forget this. But is also "forum" in portuguese. Messy, huh?

It's "forum" in English too. I don't know why Pescado likes to call PMBD a "phorum", actually.

DisgruntledPirate: I think it was Atwa, she basically lives here, but maybe she didn't want Thomas' wife to see.

[calalily]

I keep my One Million Dollars question: why Tomato´s journal was reported and Coconut no?
Personal information about a crush for Thoma$$ (I´m so adopting this way to write his name) is moar important than revealing personal data in the webs? *shocked*
(wow this love must be seriouz buzinezz. I wonder if his WIFE - because he have one - knows)

Maybe because they are private messages, obviously intended to be private, whereas without viewing the permissions, they can't attest that the FA forum is private.

Cyber-yak - Snarky you are so FTW!  

[daniyagami]

Maybe because they are private messages, obviously intended to be private, whereas without viewing the permissions, they can't attest that the FA forum is private.

Excelent point. I didn´t thought on that.

It's "forum" in English too. I don't know why Pescado likes to call PMBD a "phorum", actually.

Perhaps because is "phorum" in latim.

[Anouk]

Well Jfade, it's pretty easy to come in here and try to guilt trip people for something they don't actually do so they'd shut up. No-one here said they hate you or that you are horrible. No-one here says you don't do anything for the community. Those are your own wrong conclusions.
The fact that you knew about personal information being posted and did nothing, is what ticked people off. The fact that you are in a place like TSR makes people disapointed. The latter only means they think positively of you. The former, who the hell knows? You haven't told us why you didn't tell anyone or didn't say anything, and I doubt it will ever happen. But we did notice the evasion. The distinction between you and all those other people is that we'd never expect it from someone like you. That already tells you people have an admiration for you, if you cared about it. But the moment there is doubt, you post this. Who egged you on?

[Darqstar]

The thing with LiveJournal is irritating me though, because they suspended it.  I'm not very active in LJ, but I used to be and it used to be that unless you really broke a major rule (like posting child pornography) they would tell you that you had X amount of time to remove the offending material.  The fact that they just suspended it, is weird.  It implies that someone who had a lot of pull with LJ had their panties in a twist.   I don't think Atwa has that type of pull with LJ.  I don't think Thomas does either.  

Long shot here, but the only thing I can imagine TSR being able to get a quick bitch on was the fact that she pasted up PMs.  Maybe TSR claimed that since they were PMs from TSR, that the background images and all such, were property of TSR and thus, could not be posted.  But even then, it shocks me that LJ didn't just send Paleoanth/Tomato a "Take that down now" email.