TSR ATTACKS! WE CAN HAZ NEW LEGAL THREAT!

[calalily]

Noukie is a nurse? You do realise your stalkers will have new fantasies now. 

"It was broken for a year? Mr Pew?" he blinked and the HEAD HONCHO was right behind me.

I loled. 

Excessive bathing weakens the immune system and is a mark of the soft and weak. Plus it is that much harder to damage me when you have to chop your way through an armored layer of encrusted grime.

Filth can get so bad that it dissolves the skin underneath - you may be chopped easier because of it. I, also, am glad there is no scratch and sniff internet.  You should give yourself your own mod in game with stink lines.

[Astonished lemons]

I have to shower at least once a day. Usually the mornings.
If I dont I feel so grimy and self concious.
I do however go a week or so without washing my jeans. . . 

Nouks a nurse ehy? Wow. I figured you were a student too.

Whats the pay like? *Hasnt decided which way to go in college*

[Anouk]

Oh I do not have the required paper yet, but I'm working 4 days a week and one day school. I have to redo an internship and will be ready februari next year. If I were to quit now and not get my diploma, I'd be able to work as a level 3+ nurse instead of a level 5 I'm going for now. The difference in responsibility and pay is considerable (sp?) plus I'd have a massive debt. If I finish school three quarters of the debt is *poof* gone. I'm not passing up on that. 
Pay is not so great compared to other professions. Plus it can be hard and dangerous work. I always said I wanted to get my diploma and then do something else, but I was offered a job at a place where among other things, you contact sick workers, check up on them, assess the medical situation and decide wether to make appointments with specialists for them. Each person has a medical file, and ofcourse the whole point is commercial (you want the person to be healthy, back at work faster), but it still sounds like something I would like to do. It's more one-on-one contact and it has high responsibility.
At home nursing (not sure what it's called in english) has one of the nicer pays out there because it has more responsibilities right from the start of your carreer. You can start out with 1650 euro at a hospital, where home care will pay you 2100 or more. But, at level 5 in other professions, most people start out with around 2300 - 2500  and the difference only becomes bigger when the years progress.
So: fun = depends on what setting,  pay= depends on what setting.

I have always had fun in internships, except at the psychiatric ward where people were brought in in crisis. Agressive, dangerous, selfharming etc.  Even seen a couple of convicted murderers and rapists. A year after I was done there a few nurses were raped over there. That part of the psychiatyric field is NOT for me.

[cookiepirate]

Nouk, is that HBO or University?  My daughter has to finish her internship for MBO (in January) and then starts her HBO next fall. 

Luckily, here, if you get sick/injured at work, they will take care of you and make sure you get the proper care and treatment from the start.  A lot different than in the states, at least in my experience with work related injuries.  Ended up getting a lawyer just to get the proper treatment for mine, and by that time, the damage had become permanent.  Surgery (5 in 1.5 years) only helped some with the pain level.  I have permenant nerve, tendon and muscle damage in my right arm (from fingers to shoulder and neck) that has already started to become arthritic.   I've learned to live on over the counter Ibuprophen to keep the pain at a managable level (tho, 200 mgs tablets from the states works better than the 200 mgs here, not sure why). 

[Anouk]

Bah that's horrible! Another reason why I think there's something seriously wrong with the USA.  But, ofcourse Holland is slowly turning into a little copy of the US with the way they start handling health care and want to make it easier for a company to fire people and with less piss-offf-pay and whatnot.  BUUUUUUT not for the interim managers, they get a few hundred thousand just for sitting on a chair for 3 months.
Are you Dutch? I'm at a HBO school. What will your daughter study?
DON'T send her to an INHOLLAND collegel, that's all I have to say. Those are the worst colleges in the country.

[cookiepirate]

Nope, I'm not Dutch (I can read the language, but speaking it...its hard for my southern tongue to form a lot of the words...LOL), but I live here with my hubby and my kids went to school here (son started at VMBO, level 0, a kind of pre-VMBO class they had) and daughter started at 5th class in basis, skipped 6th after learning Dutch, and went on to VMBO classes).  She's studying ITLM (International Travel and Leisure Management) for her MBO (she has a VMBO in ICT, the only girl in her class to finish it), and wants to get a HBO in economics or business management.  Her life's dream is to own a bar or club.  She spent the first 2 internships working in Amsterdam at a hostel in the reception and bar area.  She would have went back for her third, but she needs to complete some assignments that involved children.  I'm not sure what she would need to complete in University to reach her goals, but she has it all planned out. 

[SoggyFox]

That's the thing - the states is very behind other countries, as far as social programs and corporate responsibility, but it seems like other governments want to copy us and for the life of me, I can't figure out why - greed, I guess, but in the long run, that greed is a hollow thing.

[Missbonbon]

I also think that an issue is that so many legal documents  nowadays come with a billion pages of "fine print." that no one really reads anymore. So they just say "Ok!"

Like many field trips and such will say that where ever you go the place to visit isn't responsible if a child gets hurt, but yet isn't it their responsibility to protect and keep that child from harm?

[SoggyFox]

Like many field trips and such will say that where ever you go the place to visit isn't responsible if a child gets hurt, but yet isn't it their responsibility to protect and keep that child from harm?

That's because otherwise, if somehow a child does get hurt, they will get sued - in a country where people can get sued -by the person breaking into their house- for any injuries the robber gets while commiting a crime, and the robber -wins-, there is a problem.

[dusdeedawn]

That's because otherwise, if somehow a child does get hurt, they will get sued - in a country where people can get sued -by the person breaking into their house- for any injuries the robber gets while commiting a crime, and the robber -wins-, there is a problem.

One of many reasons why my parents taught me to shoot to kill.   

[Astonished lemons]

That's because otherwise, if somehow a child does get hurt, they will get sued - in a country where people can get sued -by the person breaking into their house- for any injuries the robber gets while commiting a crime, and the robber -wins-, there is a problem.

One of many reasons why my parents taught me to shoot to kill.   

WIN.

I blame the lawyers.

"Dont kill him! its illegal to kill a lawyer!"
"Really?"
"Theyre still around, arent they?"
-Terry Pratchett's Discworld Books

A garbage man was collectiong his trash, illegally, and accidentally crushed his own car. he sued the city, AND WON.

WTF??!!

[Immortelle]

Excessive bathing weakens the immune system and is a mark of the soft and weak. Plus it is that much harder to damage me when you have to chop your way through an armored layer of encrusted grime.

On what grounds do you base that argument Fish Brains?  Folks had similar ideas up until the 1900s - very few lived to be over 50 as a consequence, and many were riddled with all sorts of maladies.  It was only after Florence Nightingale introduced the concept of actually washing that people began to live longer, and were less prone to disease. Are you scared that if you have a shower, you'll disintegrate and vanish down the plug hole?

Have we got a few nurses here?  Cool. My sister and my mother are both Registered Nurses (well, my mum's retired now.  Got really sick about 10 years back.  Was diagnosed with Protien C deficiency, had a blood clot in her aeorta).  Just so you know, here in Australia, there are two kinds of nurses.  ENs or Enrolled Nurses, who have a Diploma.  They can do a lot of the care jobs but they are not allowed to do needles, or vary medication or anything like that.  RN's or Registered Nurses have a Degree or greater, and they are also required to update their studies every year.  But they have a lot more knowledge and authority in a hospital.  Most of the nurses I know are very no nonsense and down to earth individuals, who have had to put up with way to much crap as part of their job.

[dusdeedawn]

Excessive bathing weakens the immune system and is a mark of the soft and weak. Plus it is that much harder to damage me when you have to chop your way through an armored layer of encrusted grime.

Are you scared that if you have a shower, you'll disintegrate and vanish down the plug hole?

No, no, quite clearly he's trying to live up to his hero, Rancid Crabtree.   

[vexed]

I'm just ripping this from a discussion board at my uni, but it's kinda relevant.

Note: we're in a pretty bloody serious drought here in Aus.  Massive water restrictions, blah blah blah.

...just as an example of people not really being willing to do anything about climate change, when I was in France I stayed with a host family. It was the middle of summer in Australia and I had become used to the very very fast showers with a bucket in the corner collecting the excess to use on the garden. So when I was in France I continued with the quick showers. After about a week my host mother interrogated me on my hygeine wanting to know why i spent so little time in the bathroom. I explained about the drought in Australia and how we had water restrictions and her response was- well this is France. We have enough water. Have longer showers, you should shower for at least 10 minutes then I know you will be clean.

[Anyerfillag]

lol! And the French are stereotypically known for their bad hygiene Strange that she is so adamant that you shower for that long; we don't have a drought but showering that long uses up a lot of hot water (i.e. heating and then of course its costs alot) and I'd be bored showering for that long - there's only so many times you can wash your body